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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 23:20:58 GMT -5
well as with anything her experience and understanding of the truth aren't necessarily anyone else's...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 23:44:55 GMT -5
Only an ex would understand it. 2x2's don't like anybody revealing the dark underbelly but it is there. They take the attitude the Overseer did, in relation to the Royal Commission into CSA. His words were, "It could not happen in the Truth". Like he failed to mention two of his ex Staff were convicted Paedophile's. I would say what he said was a deliberate lie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 6:17:40 GMT -5
well as with anything her experience and understanding of the truth aren't necessarily anyone else's... As a 5th generation born and raised I can say with some confidence that her portrayal and understanding of the truth is a pretty accurate one. It is also a pretty damning one as it draws back the cleverly concocted cloak of secrecy and uncovers what redback has described as the dark underbelly underneath. Her experience may not be the same as your experience (as a woman it can’t possibly be) but that does not mean that her understanding is flawed. I would suggest that anyone not born and raised in the sect, or who is not from a family with a long history in the sect, would be unlikely to have as good an understanding of the sect as those who have. Remember it was part of the cloak of secrecy not to reveal too much to new or aspiring members so that the myths could be maintained. I think this video is essential viewing for anyone at risk of being duped into joining the 2x2 church. Matt10
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Post by nathan on Jan 7, 2021 10:14:04 GMT -5
well as with anything her experience and understanding of the truth aren't necessarily anyone else's... Laura left the 2x2s long time ago when she was 19 yrs old. She doesn't know too much of the 2x2s teachings/doctrine, history and belief... And why the workers believe the way they do.
She talks just the basic things that most of the 2x2s KNOW about. For years we heard lots of problem stems from Australia and workers from other countries try to help but they went a way shaken their heads.
Most of The senior workers didn't want to change or deal with CSA problem. Thanks to RossB. Ex-2×2 who brought this subject to Australia 60 min. T.V. show and the head senior worker was asked to step down for NOT wanting to change the CSA policy.
The NEW Head worker wanted changes on CSA policy but the senior worker did NOT. The last two years, they have guidelines for workers and the friends to cooperate the law and authority with CSA cases world wide to adhere to.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jan 7, 2021 11:35:43 GMT -5
Brave lady ! Thank you Laura . We hope many more will . I will be sending this to our legal team of lawyers in YYC If that is ok with you . We never stop . Just 1 , if we can save one . I hope others are encouraged by you !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jan 7, 2021 11:37:36 GMT -5
There is no end of CSA TO TODAY !!!!!! Foolish statements . The words on a paper do nothing ! CSA CONTINUES Plus as words spreads more come forward .
Don’t be fooled , I have asked many questions on here . Non answered eh Nathan . You don’t answer 1 question . They are written on here Nathan !? Eh !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jan 7, 2021 12:07:33 GMT -5
Simple questions you have not answered Nathan !! How many workers were in that meeting ? How many doctors ? How many psychologists ? How many police ? How many lawmakers ? How many support workers ? How many forensic experts to take DNA 🧬 samples and clothing saved from a trail ? How many holding the victims hand while exam is under exam ? How many pieces of paper that mean nothing ?
HOW MANY CSA VICTIMS WERE IN THAT ROOM
Pretty simple questions Nathan and let’s not forget THERE ARE MALE VICTIMS ! Nathan and his little red wagon that follows him remain silent !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 13:46:56 GMT -5
well as with anything her experience and understanding of the truth aren't necessarily anyone else's... As a 5th generation born and raised I can say with some confidence that her portrayal and understanding of the truth is a pretty accurate one. It is also a pretty damning one as it draws back the cleverly concocted cloak of secrecy and uncovers what redback has described as the dark underbelly underneath. Her experience may not be the same as your experience (as a woman it can’t possibly be) but that does not mean that her understanding is flawed. I would suggest that anyone not born and raised in the sect, or who is not from a family with a long history in the sect, would be unlikely to have as good an understanding of the sect as those who have. Remember it was part of the cloak of secrecy not to reveal too much to new or aspiring members so that the myths could be maintained. I think this video is essential viewing for anyone at risk of being duped into joining the 2x2 church. Matt10 i'm 5th generation on one side and 4th generation on the other although from 2-13ish i knew little if anything of the truth or God but became quickly aware of what the truth/God requires of everyone and do have a testimony of someone whos been inside and outside of it.'
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Post by nathan on Jan 7, 2021 14:04:24 GMT -5
As a 5th generation born and raised I can say with some confidence that her portrayal and understanding of the truth is a pretty accurate one. It is also a pretty damning one as it draws back the cleverly concocted cloak of secrecy and uncovers what redback has described as the dark underbelly underneath. Her experience may not be the same as your experience (as a woman it can’t possibly be) but that does not mean that her understanding is flawed. I would suggest that anyone not born and raised in the sect, or who is not from a family with a long history in the sect, would be unlikely to have as good an understanding of the sect as those who have. Remember it was part of the cloak of secrecy not to reveal too much to new or aspiring members so that the myths could be maintained. I think this video is essential viewing for anyone at risk of being duped into joining the 2x2 church. Matt10 i'm 5th generation on one side and 4th generation on the other although from 2-13ish i knew little if anything of the truth or God but became quickly aware of what the truth/God requires of everyone and do have a testimony of someone whos been inside and outside of it.' *** For 40 yrs as a 2x2 I read and hear most of the complaints form the exes who born and raise in the fellowship. They believe their upbringing in the truth are horrible! But don't know what horrible is if they were raised as Muslums.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 14:46:52 GMT -5
I cannot understand two Men, one who thinks he was a Worker and the other who offered but never got a start, can justify bad behaviour. Obviously they have the same attitude as the Overseer who said in regard to CSA "It would not happen in the Truth" It should have been "It should not happen in the Truth". And where is the love if you are standing in the rain waiting for a Tram and the so called "Friends" you have just been in the Meeting with, drive by.
I do know about Laura's background, a Family marginalised by the upper class 2x2's. I commend her for making good with her life and the work she is doing. She is honest and sincere to her convictions.
I fully agree with what Matt10 "Remember it was part of the cloak of secrecy not to reveal too much to new or aspiring members so that the myths could be maintained. I think this video is essential viewing for anyone at risk of being duped into joining the 2x2 church". We were always told like Laura said, don't say anything that will damage the Truth. Just pretend it never happened. "It would not happen in the Truth".
I am a wimp, won't put my name out there. So I admire people like Ross and Laura who are brave enough to identify themselves and cop the abuse that follows. The work they have done has had results, Workers reluctantly are making changes. So we should all be thankful for honest, sincere ex's who are prepared to speak out. “The only thing that allows evil to prosper is when good people do nothing”
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Post by Grant on Jan 7, 2021 14:50:21 GMT -5
i'm 5th generation on one side and 4th generation on the other although from 2-13ish i knew little if anything of the truth or God but became quickly aware of what the truth/God requires of everyone and do have a testimony of someone whos been inside and outside of it.' *** For 40 yrs as a 2x2 I read and hear most of the complaints form the exes who born and raise in the fellowship. They believe their upbringing in the truth are horrible! But don't know what horrible is if they were raised as Muslums. As usual, you generalise and make assumptions about people who are different from you in order to feel better. She wasn't talking about being brought up in a Muslim family, she was talking about the 2x2s so why try and divert off with but...... On a second note, many exes say they had a good upbringing. Also you weren't a b&r so can't talk for them.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jan 7, 2021 14:51:55 GMT -5
I agree about 2 gentlemen Unless they have had it happen or know a story like her’s They don’t know the damage done . It tears your soul apart . The stories told to me are mind blowing as we continue to get to court . Pandemic is causing a problem . So we wait . My entire name is out there . A few know a different name . I am good with that .
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Post by nathan on Jan 7, 2021 14:58:52 GMT -5
*** For 40 yrs as a 2x2 I read and hear most of the complaints form the exes who born and raise in the fellowship. They believe their upbringing in the truth are horrible! But don't know what horrible is if they were raised as Muslums. As usual, you don't know what you're talking about. You generalise and make assumptions about things that are different from you in order to feel better. On a second note, many exes say they had a good upbringing. Also you weren't a b&r so can't talk for them. ** I lived in many of their homes and watch the children growing up! You THINK I don't know what I am talking about. The 2x2 upbringing is like walking in the park! Compare to other religions and Cult churches groups! You exes protest too much, you make a mole hill into a mountain. There are some dysfunctional 2x2 families out there, it had to do within their own family go back for generations.
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Post by Grant on Jan 7, 2021 15:02:04 GMT -5
*** For 40 yrs as a 2x2 I read and hear most of the complaints form the exes who born and raise in the fellowship. They believe their upbringing in the truth are horrible! But don't know what horrible is if they were raised as Muslums. As usual, you generalise and make assumptions about people who are different from you in order to feel better. She wasn't talking about being brought up in a Muslim family, she was talking about the 2x2s so why try and divert off with but...... On a second note, many exes say they had a good upbringing. Also you weren't a b&r so can't talk for them. I reworded my post to the above before you posted yours Nathan. So you've lived in Muslim families have you or just another assumption? You've read about it....you've read about 2x2s too and choose to minimize it because it causes cognitive dissonance for you to believe it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 15:28:00 GMT -5
I cannot understand two Men, one who thinks he was a Worker and the other who offered but never got a start, can justify bad behaviour. Obviously they have the same attitude as the Overseer who said in regard to CSA "It would not happen in the Truth" It should have been "It should not happen in the Truth". And where is the love if you are standing in the rain waiting for a Tram and the so called "Friends" you have just been in the Meeting with, drive by. I do know about Laura's background, a Family marginalised by the upper class 2x2's. I commend her for making good with her life and the work she is doing. She is honest and sincere to her convictions. I fully agree with what Matt10 "Remember it was part of the cloak of secrecy not to reveal too much to new or aspiring members so that the myths could be maintained. I think this video is essential viewing for anyone at risk of being duped into joining the 2x2 church". We were always told like Laura said, don't say anything that will damage the Truth. Just pretend it never happened. "It would not happen in the Truth". I am a wimp, won't put my name out there. So I admire people like Ross and Laura who are brave enough to identify themselves and cop the abuse that follows. The work they have done has had results, Workers reluctantly are making changes. So we should all be thankful for honest, sincere ex's who are prepared to speak out. “The only thing that allows evil to prosper is when good people do nothing” lying isn't a good idea. God doesn't like that. you should stop it. no one here 2x2 or not has said anything about justifying bad behavior....
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Post by nathan on Jan 7, 2021 15:38:12 GMT -5
As usual, you generalise and make assumptions about people who are different from you in order to feel better. She wasn't talking about being brought up in a Muslim family, she was talking about the 2x2s so why try and divert off with but...... On a second note, many exes say they had a good upbringing. Also you weren't a b&r so can't talk for them. I reworded my post to the above before you posted yours Nathan. So you've lived in Muslim families have you or just another assumption? You've read about it....you've read about 2x2s too and choose to minimize it because it causes cognitive dissonance for you to believe it. ** I have read about it, and seen my friends lived as a Muslims. I was raised as an ancestors worship, Buddhism... We had to keep rituals, belief had been kept for 1000s of years, which makes no sense but we had to do it. Believing in Reincarnation, can't eat meat, or kill an ant because it might be your dead grand parents, uncle or aunts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 15:47:20 GMT -5
Had another bad day Wally. Feel sorry for you, be patient I am sure everything is going to improve.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 15:50:59 GMT -5
Had another bad day Wally. Feel sorry for you, be patient I am sure everything is going to improve. nope its all quite good at the moment when you are on the side of right...nice try though
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Post by Grant on Jan 7, 2021 16:13:52 GMT -5
I reworded my post to the above before you posted yours Nathan. So you've lived in Muslim families have you or just another assumption? You've read about it....you've read about 2x2s too and choose to minimize it because it causes cognitive dissonance for you to believe it. ** I have read about it, and seen my friends lived as a Muslims. I was raised as an ancestors worship, Buddhism... We had to keep rituals, belief had been kept for 1000s of years, which makes no sense but we had to do it. Believing in Reincarnation, can't eat meat, or kill an ant because it might be your dead grand parents, uncle or aunts. You have read about it and have Muslims friends and choose to generalise and believe them but have read about and lived with 2x2s but choose not to believe them. Because someone grows up in another religion it does not mean their childhoods were bad. Maybe you need to broaden your reading and circle of friends. So you're saying your childhood was bad because you were brought up in another religion. I don't see you saying it was your family and not the religion. Many of the claims the workers make do not make sense either. Abuse was occurring in homes and the workers did not even know it was happening. Some was even perpetrated by the workers and their co worker did not know it was happening so what makes you think you knew it wasn't occurring and judge those who relate their own experiences. You weren't there. Stop minimizing, denying and generalising.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 16:14:03 GMT -5
ESTJs have a tendency to think they are always right and that their moral compass is objective, absolute and universal.
Extraverted, Sensing, Thinking, Judging
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Post by nathan on Jan 7, 2021 16:20:37 GMT -5
** I have read about it, and seen my friends lived as a Muslims. I was raised as an ancestors worship, Buddhism... We had to keep rituals, belief had been kept for 1000s of years, which makes no sense but we had to do it. Believing in Reincarnation, can't eat meat, or kill an ant because it might be your dead grand parents, uncle or aunts. You have read about it and have Muslims friends and choose to generalise and believe them but have read about and lived with 2x2s but choose not to believe them. So because someone grows up in another religion you believe their childhoods were bad. Maybe you need to broaden your reading and circle of friends. So you're saying your childhood was bad because you were brought up in another religion. I don't see you saying it was your family and not the religion. Many of the claims the workers make do not make sense either. Abuse was occurring in homes and the workers did not even know it was happening. Some was even perpetrated by the workers and their co worker did not know it was happening so what makes you think you knew it wasn't occurring and judge those who relate their own experiences. You weren't there. Stop minimizing, denying and generalising. *** Like I said you EXES Protest TOO MUCH! Those excuses will NOT SAVE you in the day of judgment with God because HE KNOWS your motives behind it. You exes can't fool God with all of your excuses of this and that.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 7, 2021 16:33:17 GMT -5
well as with anything her experience and understanding of the truth aren't necessarily anyone else's... As a 5th generation born and raised I can say with some confidence that her portrayal and understanding of the truth is a pretty accurate one. It is also a pretty damning one as it draws back the cleverly concocted cloak of secrecy and uncovers what redback has described as the dark underbelly underneath. Her experience may not be the same as your experience (as a woman it can’t possibly be) but that does not mean that her understanding is flawed. I would suggest that anyone not born and raised in the sect, or who is not from a family with a long history in the sect, would be unlikely to have as good an understanding of the sect as those who have. Remember it was part of the cloak of secrecy not to reveal too much to new or aspiring members so that the myths could be maintained. I think this video is essential viewing for anyone at risk of being duped into joining the 2x2 church. Matt10 I have occasionally said that "It is the people on the underside of a community that see the dirty side."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 16:39:34 GMT -5
ESTJs have a tendency to think they are always right and that their moral compass is objective, absolute and universal. Extraverted, Sensing, Thinking, Judging well there is objective morality(God based) and subjective morality(human based)you follow either one or the other in this case i'll align with the objective....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 16:45:15 GMT -5
I'ii stick with subjective, independent of your belief. Universal available to all Humans. Non judgmental.
Must be more subjective now and go and mow lawns.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 17:12:39 GMT -5
I cannot understand two Men, one who thinks he was a Worker and the other who offered but never got a start, can justify bad behaviour. Obviously they have the same attitude as the Overseer who said in regard to CSA "It would not happen in the Truth" " These things seem absurd to rational minded people like you and me but what we are dealing with here is not rational mindedness but religious fundamentalism. Yesterday DMG expressed similar astonishment on a completely different matter with the words “I can't understand the preposterous great lengths contrary to reason or common sense that you go to try rationalize what is going on”. This sums up brilliantly the great gulf between the rational mind and the non rational one. To understand religious fundamentalism one has to understand the mind of the religious fundamentalist. This is from the article “How Religious Fundamentalism Hijacks the Brain” by Bobby Azarian PhD which was published on www.psychologytoday.com. One has to remember that not all religious believers are religious fundamentalists. Far from it. Most are perfectly normal people albeit people who have been subjected to a level of religious conditioning just as many of the non believers here were at one time. Matt10 “ Christian fundamentalism is a parasitic ideology that inserts itself into brains, commanding individuals to act and think in a certain way—a rigid way that is intolerant to competing ideas. We know that religious fundamentalism is strongly correlated with what psychologists and neuroscientists call “magical thinking,” which refers to making connections between actions and events when no such connections exist in reality. Without magical thinking, the religion can’t survive, nor can it replicate itself. Another cognitive impairment we see in those with extreme religious views is a greater reliance on intuitive rather than reflective or analytic thought, which frequently leads to incorrect assumptions since intuition is often deceiving or overly simplistic.
We also know that in the United States, Christian fundamentalism is linked to science denial. Since science is nothing more than a method of determining truth using empirical measurement and hypothesis testing, denial of science equates to the denial of objective truth and tangible evidence. In other words, the denial of reality. Not only does fundamentalism promote delusional thinking, it also discourages followers from exposing themselves to any different ideas, which acts to protect the delusions that are essential to the ideology.”
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Post by Grant on Jan 7, 2021 17:14:02 GMT -5
You have read about it and have Muslims friends and choose to generalise and believe them but have read about and lived with 2x2s but choose not to believe them. So because someone grows up in another religion you believe their childhoods were bad. Maybe you need to broaden your reading and circle of friends. So you're saying your childhood was bad because you were brought up in another religion. I don't see you saying it was your family and not the religion. Many of the claims the workers make do not make sense either. Abuse was occurring in homes and the workers did not even know it was happening. Some was even perpetrated by the workers and their co worker did not know it was happening so what makes you think you knew it wasn't occurring and judge those who relate their own experiences. You weren't there. Stop minimizing, denying and generalising. *** Like I said you EXES Protest TOO MUCH! Those excuses will NOT SAVE you in the day of judgment with God because HE KNOWS your motives behind it. You exes can't fool God with all of your excuses of this and that. Keep that in mind Nathan. God will judge everyone. Your denial and excuses will not save you. Relating one's experience of abuse is not an excuse, but fact.
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Post by nathan on Jan 7, 2021 17:26:16 GMT -5
*** Like I said you EXES Protest TOO MUCH! Those excuses will NOT SAVE you in the day of judgment with God because HE KNOWS your motives behind it. You exes can't fool God with all of your excuses of this and that. Keep that in mind Nathan. God will judge everyone. Your denial and excuses will not save you. Relating one's experience of abuse is not an excuse, but fact. ** Many of you atheists/EXES will get much bigger punishment than the atheists in the day of judgment. I have been reading in Hebrews those who trampled/disobeyed the Old Testament law of Moses will get a great beaten in the judgment day but those who rejected Jesus New Testament covenant and teachings will get the worse beaten than the rest of sinners. Because they had taste the gift of Holy Spirit and denied it never happened. They trampled the blood of Jesus under their foot. Heb. 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb. 10:25-31 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
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