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Post by magpies39plus on Jan 3, 2021 16:38:23 GMT -5
World %s of major religions; Christian 31.4%, Islam 23.2%,secular,nonreligion,agnostic,athiest,etc 15.6%,Hinduism 15.2%,plus others. When you call other Christian Congregations and their Flock,"FALSE RELIGIONS"you are smashing the instructions/command the Scriptures gave/give us,THOU SHALL NOT JUDGE,LEST YOU BE JUDGED?. Now don't go on an immature tantrum and change the subject like good little 2x2s,give scriptural support to your views,thanks. Magpie (PS not that much theology of many ministries,as with the 2x2s can be questioned by "Biblical scripture")
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 16:51:01 GMT -5
well first off you need to quote the scripture correctly unless you say you are paraphrasing or say "it goes something like/similar to this"...here is the actual verse(s) in context..
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
lets see if you can figure out what is actually going on here and what one can and cannot do...
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Post by mountain on Jan 4, 2021 5:17:24 GMT -5
well first off you need to quote the scripture correctly unless you say you are paraphrasing or say "it goes something like/similar to this"...here is the actual verse(s) in context.. Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. lets see if you can figure out what is actually going on here and what one can and cannot do... Basically Jesus is NOT saying 'do not judge!' Elsewhere in scripture it says the spiritual man judges all things. What Jesus is saying above is that before you judge others, make sure you have a pure heart and motive in order to make a correct judgement. You will then be able to make judgement from a spiritually wise standpoint. Paul started from the point that he was the chief sinner. This allowed him to judge wisely. Jesus was not against 'just' judgement. However that wasn't his purpose. He came not to condemn the world but to save sinners. In the above passages Jesus was addressing the traditional Pharasitical condemnatory judgement, not judgement itself. (Virgs)
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Post by chuck on Jan 4, 2021 5:49:59 GMT -5
World %s of major religions; Christian 31.4%, Islam 23.2%,secular,nonreligion,agnostic,athiest,etc 15.6%,Hinduism 15.2%,plus others. When you call other Christian Congregations and their Flock,"FALSE RELIGIONS"you are smashing the instructions/command the Scriptures gave/give us,THOU SHALL NOT JUDGE,LEST YOU BE JUDGED?. Now don't go on an immature tantrum and change the subject like good little 2x2s,give scriptural support to your views,thanks. Magpie (PS not that much theology of many ministries,as with the 2x2s can be questioned by "Biblical scripture") I would agree, I would also say I think proffessed or proclaimed Christianity has stolen the name of Christian and butchered it. It seems Christianity should be noticed not proclaimed. What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food.If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that —and shudder.You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. - James 2:14-26 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James2:14-26&version=NIVLike most places I'm noticing, where is the importance for religious performance required or suggested as a requirement for being a Christian or showing faith in Christ?. And particularly 2x2ism performance or rituals?. Rahab ticked all the 2x2ism boxes......
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Post by magpies39plus on Jan 4, 2021 16:56:04 GMT -5
Hi Wally,we can judge what is right and what is wrong. But to judge others as of false religions,I think you should stick to the subject(even just this once) As a MARTYR is facing the gun,or feeling it on the back of there head or waiting for the sword to behead them,who taught them about "Faith in Jesus"to not waver in their last minutes? The ministries that did are "JUDGED"by Irvines 2x2 doctrine as of "FALSE RELIGIONS"that is the judgement that I am sure that the Jesus the martyrs wont deny would shudder over such cold,unbiblical,compassionless hearts saying/teaching this.These martyrs would never heard of the Irvine 2x2s but thy know Jesus and Faith.Who taught them that,one of the false religions?? On all your replies Wally over the years you win on one point,you nit pick to take peoples eyes off the actual power of the subject. Magp[e
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 17:42:36 GMT -5
Hi Wally,we can judge what is right and what is wrong. But to judge others as of false religions,I think you should stick to the subject(even just this once) As a MARTYR is facing the gun,or feeling it on the back of there head or waiting for the sword to behead them,who taught them about "Faith in Jesus"to not waver in their last minutes? The ministries that did are "JUDGED"by Irvines 2x2 doctrine as of "FALSE RELIGIONS"that is the judgement that I am sure that the Jesus the martyrs wont deny would shudder over such cold,unbiblical,compassionless hearts saying/teaching this.These martyrs would never heard of the Irvine 2x2s but thy know Jesus and Faith.Who taught them that,one of the false religions?? On all your replies Wally over the years you win on one point,you nit pick to take peoples eyes off the actual power of the subject. Magp[e nice dodge...you are quite good at it...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 18:00:06 GMT -5
I agree with you Magpie with your comment, "On all your replies Wally over the years you win on one point,you nit pick to take peoples eyes off the actual power of the subject."
You and I can remember how Workers like Mr Pickering had the same approach. Not good memories.
You can't do much with a sanctimonious person. A sanctimonious person might think he's holy, but their attitude comes across more like "holier-than-thou." Though sanctimonious people might try to act like saints, their actions are far from pure or holy, which just makes them sound like hypocrites.
And sadly for many good people on TMB they have had their head done in by it, and have chose to leave to get away from it.
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Post by Dan on Jan 4, 2021 23:45:17 GMT -5
World %s of major religions; Christian 31.4%, Islam 23.2%,secular,nonreligion,agnostic,athiest,etc 15.6%,Hinduism 15.2%,plus others. When you call other Christian Congregations and their Flock,"FALSE RELIGIONS"you are smashing the instructions/command the Scriptures gave/give us,THOU SHALL NOT JUDGE,LEST YOU BE JUDGED?. Now don't go on an immature tantrum and change the subject like good little 2x2s,give scriptural support to your views,thanks. Magpie (PS not that much theology of many ministries,as with the 2x2s can be questioned by "Biblical scripture")
Judgement in a condemning fashion is God's domain, but Christians are advised to exercise righteous judgement, better defined as proper discernment. Jesus said to "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves" (Matthew 7:15 ). "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1). "For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things" (Philippians 3: 18-19).
So clearly, we are encouraged to discern right from wrong. The bible doesn't use the word 'decision', but that's all judgement means, its necessary to determine the truth from a lie. An example would be in Catholicism, where you confess your sins to a priest in the Levitical fashion. Is a Priest the mediator between you and God? "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). Recognizing something that violates scripture isn't so much judgement, but prudent discernment. "Broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction" and its important to judge those ways for what they are.
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Matthew 7:21-23
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Post by openingact34 on Jan 5, 2021 0:27:00 GMT -5
World %s of major religions; Christian 31.4%, Islam 23.2%,secular,nonreligion,agnostic,athiest,etc 15.6%,Hinduism 15.2%,plus others. When you call other Christian Congregations and their Flock,"FALSE RELIGIONS"you are smashing the instructions/command the Scriptures gave/give us,THOU SHALL NOT JUDGE,LEST YOU BE JUDGED?. Now don't go on an immature tantrum and change the subject like good little 2x2s,give scriptural support to your views,thanks. Magpie (PS not that much theology of many ministries,as with the 2x2s can be questioned by "Biblical scripture") What if Noah was taking a survey of all the religions around him? 0.00001% Saved 99.99999% Fish Food Jesus said it would be just like the days of Noah again. (Matthew 24:37) Tiny, miniscule fraction of the population is professing and will be saved. God will throw the rest (including all the false churches) in Hell to suffer forever.
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Post by magpies39plus on Jan 7, 2021 19:38:09 GMT -5
Wally!! So you believe everyone outside of the 2x2s are of false Religions? It means they are all going to a lost eternity,under the Irvine 2x2 sect? The individuals Faith in God's Grace and the redemption story is a personal commitment,if the ministry has some false teachings you cannot blame them the student but the teacher? Can you? Why can't they find salvation? The Pastor only ministry and demanded celibacy are "FALSE" arn't they? Magpie
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 19:46:41 GMT -5
Wally!! So you believe everyone outside of the 2x2s are of false Religions? It means they are all going to a lost eternity,under the Irvine 2x2 sect? The individuals Faith in God's Grace and the redemption story is a personal commitment,if the ministry has some false teachings you cannot blame them the student but the teacher? Can you? Why can't they find salvation? The Pastor only ministry and demanded celibacy are "FALSE" arn't they? Magpie no, if you've been paying attention(highly doubt you do though)i've never said that....love wally
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Post by nathan on Jan 7, 2021 20:08:43 GMT -5
World %s of major religions; Christian 31.4%, Islam 23.2%,secular,nonreligion,agnostic,athiest,etc 15.6%,Hinduism 15.2%,plus others. When you call other Christian Congregations and their Flock,"FALSE RELIGIONS"you are smashing the instructions/command the Scriptures gave/give us,THOU SHALL NOT JUDGE,LEST YOU BE JUDGED?. Now don't go on an immature tantrum and change the subject like good little 2x2s,give scriptural support to your views,thanks. Magpie (PS not that much theology of many ministries,as with the 2x2s can be questioned by "Biblical scripture") What if Noah was taking a survey of all the religions around him? 0.00001% Saved 99.99999% Fish Food Jesus said it would be just like the days of Noah again. (Matthew 24:37) Tiny, miniscule fraction of the population is professing and will be saved. God will throw the rest (including all the false churches) in Hell to suffer forever. In Matthew gospel Jesus spoke the parable of the 10 Virgins... Only the 5 wise virgins went inside the wedding feast but 5 foolish virgins were left standing out side the gate weeping. 50% of the people of God went in the wedding feast when Jesus returns.Jesus said he that endure unto THE END shall be SAVED. Matthew 24:14
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Post by openingact34 on Jan 7, 2021 20:14:15 GMT -5
What if Noah was taking a survey of all the religions around him? 0.00001% Saved 99.99999% Fish Food Jesus said it would be just like the days of Noah again. (Matthew 24:37) Tiny, miniscule fraction of the population is professing and will be saved. God will throw the rest (including all the false churches) in Hell to suffer forever. In Matthew gospel Jesus spoke the parable of the 10 Virgins... Only the 5 wise virgins went inside the wedding feast but 5 foolish virgins were left standing out side the gate weeping. 50% of the people of God went in the wedding feast when Jesus returns. That means when Jesus returns, 50% of the living professing people will be saved and the other 50% of professing people will be sent to hell, right? He's not counting the worldlings at all.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 7, 2021 20:19:43 GMT -5
Wally!! So you believe everyone outside of the 2x2s are of false Religions? Not really. He is a religious (Christian) nationalist, supportive of measures that the workers have advised people not to be involved in. We will see how he handles the failure of their insurrection on the US Capitol yesterday.
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Post by nathan on Jan 7, 2021 20:21:28 GMT -5
In Matthew gospel Jesus spoke the parable of the 10 Virgins... Only the 5 wise virgins went inside the wedding feast but 5 foolish virgins were left standing out side the gate weeping. 50% of the people of God went in the wedding feast when Jesus returns. That means when Jesus returns, 50% of the living professing people will be saved and the other 50% of professing people will be sent to hell, right? He's not counting the worldlings at all. ** Yes, it looks that way. Peter wrote in I Peter 4:17-18 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?The exes or the 5 foolish Virgins will be send to Hades Realm of the dead first! Then they will appear before God in the judgment day to be beaten with many stripes, then cast in the lake of fire for Eternity. After judging the EXES, then God will deal with the unbelievers and the rest of the world next.
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Post by openingact34 on Jan 7, 2021 20:37:36 GMT -5
That means when Jesus returns, 50% of the living professing people will be saved and the other 50% of professing people will be sent to hell, right? He's not counting the worldlings at all. ** Yes, it looks that way. Peter wrote Judgment MUST begin at the House of God FIRST! The exes or the 5 foolish Virgins will be send to Hades Realm of the dead first! Then they will appear before God in the judgment day to be beaten with many stripes, then cast in the lake of fire for Eternity. After judging the EXES, then God will deal with the unbelievers and the rest of the world next. OK, revising the calculations a little bit: So if Jesus shows up sometime soon, there will be about 8 billion people. Maybe 60,000 professing people, of which only 30,000 will be saved. So about 0.0004% will be saved and 99.9996% will be sent to hell forever. Nobody knows how many people were on the earth at the time of Noah, but maybe a wild guess of two million? Eight people on the Ark saved out of 2 million would be around 0.0004% saved, and 99.9996% soggy fish food. The numbers are pretty are similar to the Time of Noah, which is what Jesus says it is going to be like.
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Post by nathan on Jan 7, 2021 20:44:40 GMT -5
** Yes, it looks that way. Peter wrote Judgment MUST begin at the House of God FIRST! The exes or the 5 foolish Virgins will be send to Hades Realm of the dead first! Then they will appear before God in the judgment day to be beaten with many stripes, then cast in the lake of fire for Eternity. After judging the EXES, then God will deal with the unbelievers and the rest of the world next. OK, revising the calculations a little bit: So if Jesus shows up sometime soon, there will be about 8 billion people. Maybe 60,000 professing people, of which only 30,000 will be saved. So about 0.0004% will be saved and 99.9996% will be sent to hell forever. Nobody knows how many people were on the earth at the time of Noah, but maybe a wild guess of two million? Eight people on the Ark saved out of 2 million would be around 0.0004% saved, and 99.9996% soggy fish food. The numbers are pretty are similar to the Time of Noah, which is what Jesus says it is going to be like. *** Yep! Jesus said in Matthew 7:13-16 13 " Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 21:25:53 GMT -5
In Matthew gospel Jesus spoke the parable of the 10 Virgins... Only the 5 wise virgins went inside the wedding feast but 5 foolish virgins were left standing out side the gate weeping. 50% of the people of God went in the wedding feast when Jesus returns. That means when Jesus returns, 50% of the living professing people will be saved and the other 50% of professing people will be sent to hell, right? He's not counting the worldlings at all. not quite sure i buy into the whole binary theory of heaven but there does seem to be some biblical numbers mentioned that we each should pay attention to and not ignore...
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Post by magpies39plus on Jan 7, 2021 21:39:07 GMT -5
Let's word it right Wally----Matthew 7 v 1-5,Do not judge or you will be judged.For in the same way you judge others,you will be judged,and with the measure you use,it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own.How can you say say to your brother"Let me take the speck out of your eye",when all the time there is a plank in your own,(not in KJV as I am not Bi-lingual). You hypocrite,first take the plank out of your own eye,and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers eye."All I started this board with how can "OTHER"Christian denominations be false religions?"and that all those Christians outside 2x2s beliefs are facing "HELL",simple enough.As I have said before People that live under God's Grace,if there is some theological teachings they have wrongly been taught it should be the Teachers wrong not theirs,cause one every 5 minutes are Martyred(KILLED)because they have learned enough to not deny Jesus. Who taught them that? As with their strength given them by God's Holy Spirit. Magpie
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 21:49:07 GMT -5
Let's word it right Wally----Matthew 7 v 1-5,Do not judge or you will be judged.For in the same way you judge others,you will be judged,and with the measure you use,it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own.How can you say say to your brother"Let me take the speck out of your eye",when all the time there is a plank in your own,(not in KJV as I am not Bi-lingual). You hypocrite,first take the plank out of your own eye,and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers eye."All I started this board with how can "OTHER"Christian denominations be false religions?"and that all those Christians outside 2x2s beliefs are facing "HELL",simple enough.As I have said before People that live under God's Grace,if there is some theological teachings they have wrongly been taught it should be the Teachers wrong not theirs,cause one every 5 minutes are Martyred(KILLED)because they have learned enough to not deny Jesus. Who taught them that? As with their strength given them by God's Holy Spirit. Magpie i believe i did that(word it right) already. i don't recognize or recommend using any translation other than the KJV when discussing scripture unless you of course know hebrew, greek or aramaic then knock yourself out using that... nice try though...love wally
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Post by Dan on Jan 8, 2021 0:30:59 GMT -5
Wally!! So you believe everyone outside of the 2x2s are of false Religions? It means they are all going to a lost eternity,under the Irvine 2x2 sect? The individuals Faith in God's Grace and the redemption story is a personal commitment,if the ministry has some false teachings you cannot blame them the student but the teacher? Can you? Why can't they find salvation? The Pastor only ministry and demanded celibacy are "FALSE" arn't they? Magpie
Religion has never saved anyone. I believe anyone with a bible can be saved, assuming they believe it. Some 'religious' teachings contradict the written Word, its up to us to discern biblical fact from fiction. Your correct, we are saved by faith through grace, but with hundreds of Christian denominations, its important for a student to detect false doctrine. Our faith must be in Christ, not the church... jmo
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