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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 29, 2020 0:30:04 GMT -5
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 29, 2020 0:31:14 GMT -5
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 29, 2020 0:39:28 GMT -5
Terrible. There really are some wackos, and what a frightening thing for the child to go through.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 0:40:08 GMT -5
ummm what we probably have here is a case of mental illness which can hardly be considered "religious"(no true scotman may apply)...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 29, 2020 1:01:13 GMT -5
Terrible. There really are some wackos, and what a frightening thing for the child to go through. You may remember something similar happened in a town not far from you when I still leaved there. A woman joined up with a local church and because the minister kept bangin on about demons, when she got home she took her 10 year old outside, made him put his head on the concrete step and then hit him repeatedly with a concrete block. That got rid of the poor boys demons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 2:21:59 GMT -5
It may be true that mental illness is the problem. In this case, delusional belief in demons. Or more broadly, religion.
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 29, 2020 4:00:52 GMT -5
Can't say that I can recall that Curly, sorry.
I do recall the local AOG Pastor though, who loved to play Rugby. He played for Star, and he knew how to "not turn the other cheek" in the bottom of a ruck. Rusty Wood dealt to him, and the coot shoulder charged me after a clearing kick too. He ended up preaching on Sunday with a black eye, and a cracked jaw!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 29, 2020 12:13:00 GMT -5
Can't say that I can recall that Curly, sorry. I do recall the local AOG Pastor though, who loved to play Rugby. He played for Star, and he knew how to "not turn the other cheek" in the bottom of a ruck. Rusty Wood dealt to him, and the coot shoulder charged me after a clearing kick too. He ended up preaching on Sunday with a black eye, and a cracked jaw! The woman I refer to was charged with murder, naturally. She was found not guilty due to insanity. That is the correct verdict. She would have been in an asylum for a long time receiving treatment. How the insanity came about is the question. The belief that a child has demons had to come from somewhere. In her case the pastor of the church she had joined. I am picking that it was the same in the recent case in the USA. In my view the pastor ought to have been charged, probably inciting GBH at least, if not murder. I have seen so called pastors on the internet having similar raves about demons in peoples bodies and how they should be dealt with. I believe those videos should be taken down and the people who put them up prosecuted. Filth needs to be treated as filth. I have seen on TMB how those who read or watch this stuff can be affected by it to their detriment. Filth in.....filth out.
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Post by openingact34 on Dec 29, 2020 12:47:55 GMT -5
Can't say that I can recall that Curly, sorry. I do recall the local AOG Pastor though, who loved to play Rugby. He played for Star, and he knew how to "not turn the other cheek" in the bottom of a ruck. Rusty Wood dealt to him, and the coot shoulder charged me after a clearing kick too. He ended up preaching on Sunday with a black eye, and a cracked jaw! The woman I refer to was charged with murder, naturally. She was found not guilty due to insanity. That is the correct verdict. She would have been in an asylum for a long time receiving treatment. How the insanity came about is the question. The belief that a child has demons had to come from somewhere. In her case the pastor of the church she had joined. I am picking that it was the same in the recent case in the USA. In my view the pastor ought to have been charged, probably inciting GBH at least, if not murder. I have seen so called pastors on the internet having similar raves about demons in peoples bodies and how they should be dealt with. I believe those videos should be taken down and the people who put them up prosecuted. Filth needs to be treated as filth. I have seen on TMB how those who read or watch this stuff can be affected by it to their detriment. Filth in.....filth out. There have certainly been cases where ministers were involved. But there have been plenty of people who have self-radicalized by reading the Bible and then killed in this way. Jesus is ultimately responsible for this demonic possession nonsense. He perpetuated and built his cult following based on this type of circus act of casting out demons. A loving parent who is deceived by the lies of this so-called holy book will do anything to rescue their child from possession and eternal torture. The extremist messages like if your hand offends you chop it off so I don't throw you in hell help rationalize doing immense harm and taking life to protect souls The Bible should be controlled and regulated more carefully than firearms. A gun is simply a tool that can't take over and warp your mind the way the virus of religion can.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 29, 2020 12:51:18 GMT -5
The woman I refer to was charged with murder, naturally. She was found not guilty due to insanity. That is the correct verdict. She would have been in an asylum for a long time receiving treatment. How the insanity came about is the question. The belief that a child has demons had to come from somewhere. In her case the pastor of the church she had joined. I am picking that it was the same in the recent case in the USA. In my view the pastor ought to have been charged, probably inciting GBH at least, if not murder. I have seen so called pastors on the internet having similar raves about demons in peoples bodies and how they should be dealt with. I believe those videos should be taken down and the people who put them up prosecuted. Filth needs to be treated as filth. I have seen on TMB how those who read or watch this stuff can be affected by it to their detriment. Filth in.....filth out. There have certainly been cases where ministers were involved. But there have been plenty of people who have self-radicalized by reading the Bible and then killed in this way. Jesus is ultimately responsible for this demonic possession nonsense. He perpetuated and built his cult following based on this type of circus act of casting out demons. A loving parent who is deceived by the lies of this so-called holy book will do anything to rescue their child from possession and eternal torture. The extremist messages like if your hand offends you chop it off so I don't throw you in hell help rationalize doing immense harm and taking life to protect souls The Bible should be controlled and regulated more carefully than firearms. A gun is simply a tool that can't take over and warp your mind the way the virus of religion can. It has crossed my mind that the Jesus of the NT was a very unwell person. Mentally unwell. Psychotic. Belief in his teachings has done immense harm through out our world. I hear also that he has infiltrated the planet Venus and is messing with lives there as well. Whatever next.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 15:36:39 GMT -5
The woman I refer to was charged with murder, naturally. She was found not guilty due to insanity. That is the correct verdict. She would have been in an asylum for a long time receiving treatment. How the insanity came about is the question. The belief that a child has demons had to come from somewhere. In her case the pastor of the church she had joined. I am picking that it was the same in the recent case in the USA. In my view the pastor ought to have been charged, probably inciting GBH at least, if not murder. I have seen so called pastors on the internet having similar raves about demons in peoples bodies and how they should be dealt with. I believe those videos should be taken down and the people who put them up prosecuted. Filth needs to be treated as filth. I have seen on TMB how those who read or watch this stuff can be affected by it to their detriment. Filth in.....filth out. There have certainly been cases where ministers were involved. But there have been plenty of people who have self-radicalized by reading the Bible and then killed in this way. Jesus is ultimately responsible for this demonic possession nonsense. He perpetuated and built his cult following based on this type of circus act of casting out demons. A loving parent who is deceived by the lies of this so-called holy book will do anything to rescue their child from possession and eternal torture. The extremist messages like if your hand offends you chop it off so I don't throw you in hell help rationalize doing immense harm and taking life to protect souls The Bible should be controlled and regulated more carefully than firearms. A gun is simply a tool that can't take over and warp your mind the way the virus of religion can. you are not understanding the bible then that passage was all metaphor and not even close to being literal....
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 29, 2020 15:52:20 GMT -5
There have certainly been cases where ministers were involved. But there have been plenty of people who have self-radicalized by reading the Bible and then killed in this way. Jesus is ultimately responsible for this demonic possession nonsense. He perpetuated and built his cult following based on this type of circus act of casting out demons. A loving parent who is deceived by the lies of this so-called holy book will do anything to rescue their child from possession and eternal torture. The extremist messages like if your hand offends you chop it off so I don't throw you in hell help rationalize doing immense harm and taking life to protect souls The Bible should be controlled and regulated more carefully than firearms. A gun is simply a tool that can't take over and warp your mind the way the virus of religion can. you are not understanding the bible then that passage was all metaphor and not even close to being literal.... There is no point even trying to understand the bible. It starts with lies, told by ignorant people. You have no excuse today to be ignorant of the truth.
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Post by openingact34 on Dec 29, 2020 20:06:20 GMT -5
There have certainly been cases where ministers were involved. But there have been plenty of people who have self-radicalized by reading the Bible and then killed in this way. Jesus is ultimately responsible for this demonic possession nonsense. He perpetuated and built his cult following based on this type of circus act of casting out demons. A loving parent who is deceived by the lies of this so-called holy book will do anything to rescue their child from possession and eternal torture. The extremist messages like if your hand offends you chop it off so I don't throw you in hell help rationalize doing immense harm and taking life to protect souls The Bible should be controlled and regulated more carefully than firearms. A gun is simply a tool that can't take over and warp your mind the way the virus of religion can. you are not understanding the bible then that passage was all metaphor and not even close to being literal.... You're on a slippery slope there Wally. When you start considering things in the Bible "metaphors", suddenly you'll find yourself being like fixit or Pragmatic and thinking that Noah's Ark and the Tower of Babel are just metaphors too. And then you'll wake up one morning like Chuck and decide that God is just a metaphor.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 20:10:08 GMT -5
you are not understanding the bible then that passage was all metaphor and not even close to being literal.... You're on a slippery slope there Wally. When you start considering things in the Bible "metaphors", suddenly you'll find yourself being like fixit or Pragmatic and thinking that Noah's Ark and the Tower of Babel are just metaphors too. And then you'll wake up one morning like Chuck and decide that God is just a metaphor. verses in the bible are literal or metaphor or both pray for the ability to discern which is which...
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 29, 2020 22:10:16 GMT -5
Can't say that I can recall that Curly, sorry. I do recall the local AOG Pastor though, who loved to play Rugby. He played for Star, and he knew how to "not turn the other cheek" in the bottom of a ruck. Rusty Wood dealt to him, and the coot shoulder charged me after a clearing kick too. He ended up preaching on Sunday with a black eye, and a cracked jaw! The woman I refer to was charged with murder, naturally. She was found not guilty due to insanity. That is the correct verdict. She would have been in an asylum for a long time receiving treatment. How the insanity came about is the question. The belief that a child has demons had to come from somewhere. In her case the pastor of the church she had joined. I am picking that it was the same in the recent case in the USA. In my view the pastor ought to have been charged, probably inciting GBH at least, if not murder. I have seen so called pastors on the internet having similar raves about demons in peoples bodies and how they should be dealt with. I believe those videos should be taken down and the people who put them up prosecuted. Filth needs to be treated as filth. I have seen on TMB how those who read or watch this stuff can be affected by it to their detriment. Filth in.....filth out. Yup, very culpable. No excuse in an enlightened society. The demons of Biblical times were probably the labels they gave to what they did not understand, such as Epilepsy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 23:38:03 GMT -5
You're on a slippery slope there Wally. When you start considering things in the Bible "metaphors", suddenly you'll find yourself being like fixit or Pragmatic and thinking that Noah's Ark and the Tower of Babel are just metaphors too. And then you'll wake up one morning like Chuck and decide that God is just a metaphor. verses in the bible are literal or metaphor or both pray for the ability to discern which is which... Alternatively just decide for yourself which bits to take literally and which bits to treat metaphorically based on what is most convenient for you. If you don’t fancy selling all that you have and giving the money to the poor and would prefer to keep possession of all your worldly stuff then stick that one down as a metaphor. And if you really don’t fancy having your eye plucked out or your hand cut off then put those bits down as metaphors too. And if you’re embarrassed about the butchery of your God when you are trying to convince non believers of your God’s loving nature then put the slaughter of the Egyptian firstborn down as a metaphor as well. And if your non believing friends are pointing out the scientific impossibilities of Jesus rising from the dead and ascending up to the heavens and suggesting that these are merely stories with a meaning then be sure to put these down as literals lest the whole basis for your belief system falls apart. If fact why not go through the bible and pick out all the inconvenient and ridiculous bits such as talking animals and slave beating and raping and stoning and the stories of Lot’s wife and Adam’s rib and the bits about not taking two coats or not eating shellfish on the sabbath or meeting in the upper room and label them as metaphors leaving only the less inconvenient and ridiculous bits as to be taken literally. And if anyone challenges you on your authority to do this or accuses you of adopting an a la carte approach to Christianity then simply tell them that you talked to God and he told you which to treat as metaphors and which to take literally. And if anyone asks you for evidence of this tell them that he wrote these things down on a large stone which you happen to have misplaced rather conveniently. And when you are finished doing this why not engage in a spot of ‘word stretching’ where one goes through the bible bit by bit giving new interpretations to words in an attempt to make the biblical authors appear to have known things that they couldn’t possibly have known. For example take the word ‘day’ in the story for creation and reinterpret it as several million years. And after you’ve finished word stretching you can move into ‘scripture twisting’ whereby you reinterpret scripture to make it seem to say things that clearly aren’t there. For example you can do this if you don’t want people owning a television or women having a fringe. At the end of the day with enough imagination and religious conditioning the bible can say whatever you want it to say just as God can be whatever you want him to be. Matt10
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Post by openingact34 on Dec 30, 2020 0:04:50 GMT -5
You're on a slippery slope there Wally. When you start considering things in the Bible "metaphors", suddenly you'll find yourself being like fixit or Pragmatic and thinking that Noah's Ark and the Tower of Babel are just metaphors too. And then you'll wake up one morning like Chuck and decide that God is just a metaphor. verses in the bible are literal or metaphor or both pray for the ability to discern which is which... Brilliant! A totally error proof system!
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Post by openingact34 on Dec 30, 2020 0:05:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 0:14:03 GMT -5
verses in the bible are literal or metaphor or both pray for the ability to discern which is which... Alternatively just decide for yourself which bits to take literally and which bits to treat metaphorically based on what is most convenient for you. If you don’t fancy selling all that you have and giving the money to the poor and would prefer to keep possession of all your worldly stuff then stick that one down as a metaphor. And if you really don’t fancy having your eye plucked out or your hand cut off then put those bits down as metaphors too. And if you’re embarrassed about the butchery of your God when you are trying to convince non believers of your God’s loving nature then put the slaughter of the Egyptian firstborn down as a metaphor as well. And if your non believing friends are pointing out the scientific impossibilities of Jesus rising from the dead and ascending up to the heavens and suggesting that these are merely stories with a meaning then be sure to put these down as literals lest the whole basis for your belief system falls apart. If fact why not go through the bible and pick out all the inconvenient and ridiculous bits such as talking animals and slave beating and raping and stoning and the stories of Lot’s wife and Adam’s rib and the bits about not taking two coats or not eating shellfish on the sabbath or meeting in the upper room and label them as metaphors leaving only the less inconvenient and ridiculous bits as to be taken literally. And if anyone challenges you on your authority to do this or accuses you of adopting an a la carte approach to Christianity then simply tell them that you talked to God and he told you which to treat as metaphors and which to take literally. And if anyone asks you for evidence of this tell them that he wrote these things down on a large stone which you happen to have misplaced rather conveniently. And when you are finished doing this why not engage in a spot of ‘word stretching’ where one goes through the bible bit by bit giving new interpretations to words in an attempt to make the biblical authors appear to have known things that they couldn’t possibly have known. For example take the word ‘day’ in the story for creation and reinterpret it as several million years. And after you’ve finished word stretching you can move into ‘scripture twisting’ whereby you reinterpret scripture to make it seem to say things that clearly aren’t there. For example you can do this if you don’t want people owning a television or women having a fringe. At the end of the day with enough imagination and religious conditioning the bible can say whatever you want it to say just as God can be whatever you want him to be. Matt10 you already tested me once on a whole bunch of verses whether they were literal or metaphor or both(you even tried to sneak in a few verses that were incorrect) and i passed with flying colors which then caused you to slink off with out much of say...that you are back complaining about it means you didn't learn anything from before....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 0:15:32 GMT -5
verses in the bible are literal or metaphor or both pray for the ability to discern which is which... Brilliant! A totally error proof system! never said anything about being perfect...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 0:17:15 GMT -5
The woman I refer to was charged with murder, naturally. She was found not guilty due to insanity. That is the correct verdict. She would have been in an asylum for a long time receiving treatment. How the insanity came about is the question. The belief that a child has demons had to come from somewhere. In her case the pastor of the church she had joined. I am picking that it was the same in the recent case in the USA. In my view the pastor ought to have been charged, probably inciting GBH at least, if not murder. I have seen so called pastors on the internet having similar raves about demons in peoples bodies and how they should be dealt with. I believe those videos should be taken down and the people who put them up prosecuted. Filth needs to be treated as filth. I have seen on TMB how those who read or watch this stuff can be affected by it to their detriment. Filth in.....filth out. Yup, very culpable. No excuse in an enlightened society. The demons of Biblical times were probably the labels they gave to what they did not understand, such as Epilepsy so you are saying Jesus was confused when he cast out demons? interesting...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 30, 2020 0:23:15 GMT -5
Yup, very culpable. No excuse in an enlightened society. The demons of Biblical times were probably the labels they gave to what they did not understand, such as Epilepsy so you are saying Jesus was confused when he cast out demons? interesting... It is 2020 and you believe these stories? Interesting....
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 30, 2020 1:24:45 GMT -5
Yup, very culpable. No excuse in an enlightened society. The demons of Biblical times were probably the labels they gave to what they did not understand, such as Epilepsy so you are saying Jesus was confused when he cast out demons? interesting... I didn’t say Jesus was confused....typically you extrapolate what wasn’t there in order to be contentious.
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Post by nathan on Dec 30, 2020 1:33:19 GMT -5
Yup, very culpable. No excuse in an enlightened society. The demons of Biblical times were probably the labels they gave to what they did not understand, such as Epilepsy so you are saying Jesus was confused when he cast out demons? interesting... Prag, maybe become agnostic... the Bible stories to him are myths... fake news spoken by Jesus when he cast out demons out of the people in his days.... demons, devil, fallen angels, and angels don't exist today either.... It seems these down under friends don't believe in the same gospel as those in the 1st century Christians... because they believe in a different gospel?
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 30, 2020 1:42:12 GMT -5
so you are saying Jesus was confused when he cast out demons? interesting... Prag, maybe become agnostic... the Bible stories to him are myths... fake news spoken by Jesus when he cast out demons out of the people in his days.... demons, devil, fallen angels, and angels don't exist today either.... It seems these down under friends don't believe in the same gospel as those in the 1st century Christians... because they believe in a different gospel?oAnd you are also showing the same small mindedness. However I am not going to argue, as I have a life to live, and it’s not going to be spent on a Tablet arguing with small minded religious and fundamentalist zealots from the US. There are fish waiting to be caught
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 1:43:04 GMT -5
so you are saying Jesus was confused when he cast out demons? interesting... I didn’t say Jesus was confused....typically you extrapolate what wasn’t there in order to be contentious. you said "they did not understand" confused is another way to put it. i ASSume you meant people in "biblical times" that would include Jesus(he was in biblical times) since its reported he cast out demons/spirits...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 1:44:29 GMT -5
so you are saying Jesus was confused when he cast out demons? interesting... Prag, maybe become agnostic... the Bible stories to him are myths... fake news spoken by Jesus when he cast out demons out of the people in his days.... demons, devil, fallen angels, and angels don't exist today either.... It seems these down under friends don't believe in the same gospel as those in the 1st century Christians... because they believe in a different gospel?its not looking good for the down under 2x2's is it and their TMB representatives?
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Post by nathan on Dec 30, 2020 2:09:41 GMT -5
Prag, maybe become agnostic... the Bible stories to him are myths... fake news spoken by Jesus when he cast out demons out of the people in his days.... demons, devil, fallen angels, and angels don't exist today either.... It seems these down under friends don't believe in the same gospel as those in the 1st century Christians... because they believe in a different gospel? its not looking good for the down under 2x2's is it and their TMB representatives? Nope, it doesn't. They/fixit, Prag, and Chuck, think the same as the exes from down under... they have the same kind of mentality and mindset .... RT, Curly/troll... Both of these kinds like and agree with each other posts.
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