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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 1:54:47 GMT -5
There is none so blind as he who will not see We must not close our minds, we must let our thought be free For every hour that passes by, you know the world gets a little bit older It's time to realize that beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 1:57:57 GMT -5
Everything Is Beautiful by Ray Stevens. Jesus loves the little children, all the little children of the world Red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in his sight Jesus loves the little children of the world Everything is beautiful in its' own way Like a starry summer night or a snow covered winter's day Everybody's beautiful in their own way Under God's heaven, the world's gonna find a way There is none so blind as he who will not see We must not close our minds, we must let our thought be free For every hour that passes by, you know the world gets a little bit older It's time to realize that beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder Everything is beautiful in its' own way Like a starry summer night or a snow covered winter's day Ah, sing it children Everybody's beautiful in their own way Under God's heaven, the world's gonna find a way We shouldn't care about the length of his hair or the color of his skin Don't worry about what shows from without but the love that lives within We're gonna get it all together now and everything gonna work out fine Just take a little time to look on the good side my friend And straighten it out in your mind Everything is beautiful in its' own way Like a starry summer night or a snow covered winter's day Everybody's beautiful in their own way Under God's heaven, the world's gonna find a way a ray stevens song is your defense? who is he compared to Christ? no thanks....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 2:21:01 GMT -5
A Happy New Year to you Wally, hope that you become a little bit more accurate in some of the statements you make. You are not as bad as Nathan, but do take care.
I am going back on holidays, much more relaxing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 2:26:14 GMT -5
A Happy New Year to you Wally, hope that you become a little bit more accurate in some of the statements you make. You are not as bad as Nathan, but do take care. I am going back on holidays, much more relaxing. so far i have been spot on you on the other hand haven't told the whole truth of the matter...
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 26, 2020 3:36:35 GMT -5
Well, I not surprised. I would expect that you would not understand humanism.
There hasn't much from your posts to show that that you would understand the moral concept of humanism in how to treat one's fellowman. its just a man made atheistic movement meant to replace and hijack God and theistic views hardly a moral concept by any measure... In some minds maybe, and in some original intents, maybe. But in the world that I deal in, it's not as binary as that.
One of our companies donates infrastructural hardware into the schools in Nepal, and has been doing so since the earthquakes there. What we do is help the schools, in conjunction with the Catholic church, provide Priests to work with the pupils there to add humanist principles to the Buddhist curriculum, aided by using the infrastructure we provide, including Internet access in the mountains.
There is no push to replace their religion, but simply help them be educated with an understanding of Western values. The more we understand each other, the greater chance we have of peace among the nations. Even something as simple as teaching them how we in the west cremate or bury our deceased, versus leaving them on a pyre for the vultures has value.
The letters of gratitude from the students, and from the teachers, have been heartwarming.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 4:16:08 GMT -5
its just a man made atheistic movement meant to replace and hijack God and theistic views hardly a moral concept by any measure... In some minds maybe, and in some original intents, maybe. But in the world that I deal in, it's not as binary as that.
One of our companies donates infrastructural hardware into the schools in Nepal, and has been doing so since the earthquakes there. What we do is help the schools, in conjunction with the Catholic church, provide Priests to work with the pupils there to add humanist principles to the Buddhist curriculum, aided by using the infrastructure we provide, including Internet access in the mountains.
There is no push to replace their religion, but simply help them be educated with an understanding of Western values. The more we understand each other, the greater chance we have of peace among the nations. Even something as simple as teaching them how we in the west cremate or bury our deceased, versus leaving them on a pyre for the vultures has value.
The letters of gratitude from the students, and from the teachers, have been heartwarming.
Col_2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; don't kid yourself just "presenting" instead of "pushing" atheistic humanist ideas will plant seeds of an evil movement in their hearts which will bear bad fruit later on in the form of rejecting God/Christ and the Holy Spirit or corrupting it beyond recognition...what a shame...
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 26, 2020 4:51:05 GMT -5
In some minds maybe, and in some original intents, maybe. But in the world that I deal in, it's not as binary as that.
One of our companies donates infrastructural hardware into the schools in Nepal, and has been doing so since the earthquakes there. What we do is help the schools, in conjunction with the Catholic church, provide Priests to work with the pupils there to add humanist principles to the Buddhist curriculum, aided by using the infrastructure we provide, including Internet access in the mountains.
There is no push to replace their religion, but simply help them be educated with an understanding of Western values. The more we understand each other, the greater chance we have of peace among the nations. Even something as simple as teaching them how we in the west cremate or bury our deceased, versus leaving them on a pyre for the vultures has value.
The letters of gratitude from the students, and from the teachers, have been heartwarming.
Col_2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; don't kid yourself just "presenting" instead of "pushing" atheistic humanist ideas will plant seeds of an evil movement in their hearts which will bear bad fruit later on in the form of rejecting God/Christ and the Holy Spirit or corrupting it beyond recognition...what a shame... Agree to disagree. Col 2.21 continues with “things that perish with the using” For example legalisms that change over time, traditions, values etc The ideals of humanism taught are not atheistic, to the best of my knowledge, and the letters we have received certainly indicate that. Of course an alternative would be to do nothing, and let the kids languish in pre-western ideals such as revenge and tribalism. The reason it can happen is that the Buddhists, and the government want it, and can see the value too.
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Post by openingact34 on Dec 26, 2020 12:06:24 GMT -5
Col_2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; don't kid yourself just "presenting" instead of "pushing" atheistic humanist ideas will plant seeds of an evil movement in their hearts which will bear bad fruit later on in the form of rejecting God/Christ and the Holy Spirit or corrupting it beyond recognition...what a shame... Agree to disagree. Col 2.21 continues with “things that perish with the using” For example legalisms that change over time, traditions, values etc The ideals of humanism taught are not atheistic, to the best of my knowledge, and the letters we have received certainly indicate that. Of course an alternative would be to do nothing, and let the kids languish in pre-western ideals such as revenge and tribalism. The reason it can happen is that the Buddhists, and the government want it, and can see the value too. Or you could try being honest and preach the full gospel, not just some distorted sunshine and roses humanistic message. Be straightforward and tell them that they are going to be tortured in the most excruciating ways for all of eternity unless they turn from their wicked false religion and follow Jesus. I've always appreciated how the TMB moderators and admin have pointed us at the wonderful messages on GotQuestions. " Because every human being is a sinner, every person past the age of accountability has already been condemned to hell (Romans 3:10; 5:12; John 3:18). We all deserve hell as the just punishment for our rebellion against God (Romans 6:23)." www.gotquestions.org/who-will-go-to-hell.html
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 26, 2020 12:30:28 GMT -5
Col_2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; don't kid yourself just "presenting" instead of "pushing" atheistic humanist ideas will plant seeds of an evil movement in their hearts which will bear bad fruit later on in the form of rejecting God/Christ and the Holy Spirit or corrupting it beyond recognition...what a shame... Agree to disagree. Col 2.21 continues with “things that perish with the using” For example legalisms that change over time, traditions, values etc The ideals of humanism taught are not atheistic, to the best of my knowledge, and the letters we have received certainly indicate that. Of course an alternative would be to do nothing, and let the kids languish in pre-western ideals such as revenge and tribalism. The reason it can happen is that the Buddhists, and the government want it, and can see the value too. If you wanted to teach them revenge and tribalism you would give them a bible to read.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 14:05:04 GMT -5
Col_2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; don't kid yourself just "presenting" instead of "pushing" atheistic humanist ideas will plant seeds of an evil movement in their hearts which will bear bad fruit later on in the form of rejecting God/Christ and the Holy Spirit or corrupting it beyond recognition...what a shame... Agree to disagree. Col 2.21 continues with “things that perish with the using” For example legalisms that change over time, traditions, values etc The ideals of humanism taught are not atheistic, to the best of my knowledge, and the letters we have received certainly indicate that. Of course an alternative would be to do nothing, and let the kids languish in pre-western ideals such as revenge and tribalism. The reason it can happen is that the Buddhists, and the government want it, and can see the value too. things that perish with the using would be humanism at its core... the whole premise of atheistic humanism is that you don't need God or theism to be good you can't escape that... what do you mean "do nothing"? your suppose to be promoting God and Christ and the Holy Spirit and their commandments, values and understanding which address all lifes problems not some other doctrine...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 26, 2020 14:13:55 GMT -5
Agree to disagree. Col 2.21 continues with “things that perish with the using” For example legalisms that change over time, traditions, values etc The ideals of humanism taught are not atheistic, to the best of my knowledge, and the letters we have received certainly indicate that. Of course an alternative would be to do nothing, and let the kids languish in pre-western ideals such as revenge and tribalism. The reason it can happen is that the Buddhists, and the government want it, and can see the value too. things that perish with the using would be humanism at its core... the whole premise of atheistic humanism is that you don't need God or theism to be good you can't escape that... what do you mean "do nothing"? your suppose to be promoting God and Christ and the Holy Spirit commandments, values and understanding not some other doctrine... Of course you do not need a god. Ever since god was made in the image of man, man has been inventing ways to make his invention plausible. Science has put paid to that and now the religious are fighting a rearguard action to protect their beliefs. This would be ok if it did not fly in the face of science and reason. But it does and because of that religion and the religious will become increasingly irrelevant. If an adult wants to be laughed at then all they need to do is say they believe in the tooth fairy or god.
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 26, 2020 15:46:37 GMT -5
Agree to disagree. Col 2.21 continues with “things that perish with the using” For example legalisms that change over time, traditions, values etc The ideals of humanism taught are not atheistic, to the best of my knowledge, and the letters we have received certainly indicate that. Of course an alternative would be to do nothing, and let the kids languish in pre-western ideals such as revenge and tribalism. The reason it can happen is that the Buddhists, and the government want it, and can see the value too. things that perish with the using would be humanism at its core... the whole premise of atheistic humanism is that you don't need God or theism to be good you can't escape that... what do you mean "do nothing"? your suppose to be promoting God and Christ and the Holy Spirit and their commandments, values and understanding which address all lifes problems not some other doctrine... I disagree strongly with your brand of religion, and your literal definition and binary thinking. In fact, it is something I would "touch not", and don't give me the Jesus in the temple overturning the tables situation, as you are wont to do when confronted with such. Different times, different situation.
Do nothing? That would be exactly that. It would be not helping to provide for people who lost everything in the quakes, tracks destroyed by landslides, people unable to get supplies, kids could not get educated, because the schools and villages had been destroyed. Maybe it could be sitting in the US throwing stones at those who try to help, rather than actually doing it, or helping fund it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 16:34:31 GMT -5
things that perish with the using would be humanism at its core... the whole premise of atheistic humanism is that you don't need God or theism to be good you can't escape that... what do you mean "do nothing"? your suppose to be promoting God and Christ and the Holy Spirit and their commandments, values and understanding which address all lifes problems not some other doctrine... I disagree strongly with your brand of religion, and your literal definition and binary thinking. In fact, it is something I would "touch not", and don't give me the Jesus in the temple overturning the tables situation, as you are wont to do when confronted with such. Different times, different situation.
Do nothing? That would be exactly that. It would be not helping to provide for people who lost everything in the quakes, tracks destroyed by landslides, people unable to get supplies, kids could not get educated, because the schools and villages had been destroyed. Maybe it could be sitting in the US throwing stones at those who try to help, rather than actually doing it, or helping fund it.
i believe your brand of lukewarm religion/christianity is not gonna turn out as you hoped it would. atheistic humanism will most likely be your undoing. there are few if any nations that get more money, personnel and equipment to those who need aid through forced tax dollars and christian charity than those in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 16:36:23 GMT -5
things that perish with the using would be humanism at its core... the whole premise of atheistic humanism is that you don't need God or theism to be good you can't escape that... what do you mean "do nothing"? your suppose to be promoting God and Christ and the Holy Spirit commandments, values and understanding not some other doctrine... Of course you do not need a god. Ever since god was made in the image of man, man has been inventing ways to make his invention plausible. Science has put paid to that and now the religious are fighting a rearguard action to protect their beliefs. This would be ok if it did not fly in the face of science and reason. But it does and because of that religion and the religious will become increasingly irrelevant. If an adult wants to be laughed at then all they need to do is say they believe in the tooth fairy or god. all predicted in the bible your not stating anything new in the bigger picture...
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Post by xna on Dec 26, 2020 17:00:22 GMT -5
I might be wrong but.... My guess is "you protest too much" about Humanism. I suspect you are a closet Humanist now, BUT your peer group, and family are so connected to the 2x2 heritage you can't bear but follow along. I understand if that's the case, why you choose what you choose. As the song says someday "I hope you will join us". :-) that makes about as much sense as me saying your a closet theist. that will be the day when hell freezes over for me to abandon God for humanism... If you don't like Secular Humanism there is option of god & humanism; Religious humanism.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 17:05:36 GMT -5
that makes about as much sense as me saying your a closet theist. that will be the day when hell freezes over for me to abandon God for humanism... If you don't like Secular Humanism there is option of god & humanism; Religious humanism. that would be like trying to mix oil and water, they are not compatible no matter how you try and dress it up...
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Post by xna on Dec 26, 2020 17:11:34 GMT -5
that would be like trying to mix oil and water, they are not compatible no matter how you try and dress it up... Not everyone agrees the two are incomparable 210,000 Quaker - Religious Society of Friends 800,000 UU members - Unitarian Universalist
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 17:22:22 GMT -5
that would be like trying to mix oil and water, they are not compatible no matter how you try and dress it up... Not everyone agrees the two are incomparable 210,000 Quaker - Religious Society of Friends 800,000 UU members - Unitarian Universalist sure you will find a number of folks who are deceived or sellouts of Christianity to many worldly ideologies or atheism all predicted in scripture...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 17:33:35 GMT -5
The “one track” that your mind is on may be something like a rut, it's just a groove your mind has worn. Taking some quiet time helps dislodge your thoughts from that groove. Whether it's physical or mental, “stretching” yourself a bit with challenges can break you out of single-minded thought patterns.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 26, 2020 17:42:31 GMT -5
I disagree strongly with your brand of religion, and your literal definition and binary thinking. In fact, it is something I would "touch not", and don't give me the Jesus in the temple overturning the tables situation, as you are wont to do when confronted with such. Different times, different situation.
Do nothing? That would be exactly that. It would be not helping to provide for people who lost everything in the quakes, tracks destroyed by landslides, people unable to get supplies, kids could not get educated, because the schools and villages had been destroyed. Maybe it could be sitting in the US throwing stones at those who try to help, rather than actually doing it, or helping fund it.
i believe your brand of lukewarm religion/christianity is not gonna turn out as you hoped it would. atheistic humanism will most likely be your undoing. there are few if any nations that get more money, personnel and equipment to those who need aid through forced tax dollars and christian charity than those in the US. Wally, ... I believe that if your brand of boiling hot "lake of fire and brimstone" religion is the only thing that guides your sense of how to treat your fellowmen, -than perhaps it might be your own undoing, -esp. as you grow older and need the help of other people.
Even now I would not want to have to live in your skin.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 17:56:37 GMT -5
The “one track” that your mind is on may be something like a rut, it's just a groove your mind has worn. Taking some quiet time helps dislodge your thoughts from that groove. Whether it's physical or mental, “stretching” yourself a bit with challenges can break you out of single-minded thought patterns. fortunately i am not a perennialist like yourself bandied about by every wind(ideology) that comes along...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 18:00:08 GMT -5
i believe your brand of lukewarm religion/christianity is not gonna turn out as you hoped it would. atheistic humanism will most likely be your undoing. there are few if any nations that get more money, personnel and equipment to those who need aid through forced tax dollars and christian charity than those in the US. Wally, ... I believe that if your brand of boiling hot "lake of fire and brimstone" religion is the only thing that guides your sense of how to treat your fellowmen, -than perhaps it might be your own undoing, -esp. as you grow older and need the help of other people.
Even now I would not want to have to live in your skin.
i'll turn to my brothers and sisters in Christ for any help i might need and i doubt i will be disappointed with my selection...
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 26, 2020 18:20:47 GMT -5
I disagree strongly with your brand of religion, and your literal definition and binary thinking. In fact, it is something I would "touch not", and don't give me the Jesus in the temple overturning the tables situation, as you are wont to do when confronted with such. Different times, different situation.
Do nothing? That would be exactly that. It would be not helping to provide for people who lost everything in the quakes, tracks destroyed by landslides, people unable to get supplies, kids could not get educated, because the schools and villages had been destroyed. Maybe it could be sitting in the US throwing stones at those who try to help, rather than actually doing it, or helping fund it.
i believe your brand of lukewarm religion/christianity is not gonna turn out as you hoped it would. atheistic humanism will most likely be your undoing. there are few if any nations that get more money, personnel and equipment to those who need aid through forced tax dollars and christian charity than those in the US. Yes the US is generous to many countries in the time of need, as are many charities from the US. More so though when the areas are of strategic interest. The US does not really involve itself in some of these inland areas, so it is left to charities and NGOs. Teaching kids the value of fellow human beings and other humanistic values helps prevent arranged marriages to underage girls, prevent sexual abuse, in some places teaches against Utu (exacted revenge). These teachings take years, and are also taught by example. I cannot see how this is wrong, but can only see the good. It is not a replacement of Christianity, it is an adjunct to it, as it is to other religions. For example in India, these values need to be taught to Christians in some areas too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 18:23:45 GMT -5
The “one track” that your mind is on may be something like a rut, it's just a groove your mind has worn. Taking some quiet time helps dislodge your thoughts from that groove. Whether it's physical or mental, “stretching” yourself a bit with challenges can break you out of single-minded thought patterns. fortunately i am not a perennialist like yourself bandied about by every wind(ideology) that comes along... There you go again Wally making wild statements, way of the mark. You don't even know the meaning of words that you use. At least you make me laugh. Why don't you be more like the NZ Friends, they have given up on that narrow, selfish way of thinking. Thank God there are not many of your type left now. It has taken 100 years to get rid of it, people became aware it was started by a grumpy old eccentric. We used to think like you, but found that there is more in life than just thinking about yourself. Think of others.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 26, 2020 18:31:58 GMT -5
Wally, ... I believe that if your brand of boiling hot "lake of fire and brimstone" religion is the only thing that guides your sense of how to treat your fellowmen, -than perhaps it might be your own undoing, -esp. as you grow older and need the help of other people.
Even now I would not want to have to live in your skin.
i'll turn to my brothers and sisters in Christ for any help i might need and i doubt i will be disappointed with my selection... I trusted that plan, and it didn't work.
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 26, 2020 18:37:17 GMT -5
i'll turn to my brothers and sisters in Christ for any help i might need and i doubt i will be disappointed with my selection... I trusted that plan, and it didn't work. Yes, that sort of help is usually not unconditional, even in our church, and I have seen it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 26, 2020 18:46:01 GMT -5
I trusted that plan, and it didn't work. Yes, that sort of help is usually not unconditional, even in our church, and I have seen it. Believe me, it will come with "conditions".
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Post by xna on Dec 26, 2020 19:17:57 GMT -5
Yes, that sort of help is usually not unconditional, even in our church, and I have seen it. Believe me, it will come with "conditions".
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