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Post by chuck on Oct 8, 2020 18:42:25 GMT -5
Right you've told us how you think it from the 21st century comforts as a richman with 2000 years worth of western religion mixed in. Now articulate how a Hebrew felt it?. Who cares what the Hebrews felt about things because most of them didn't believe or KNOW existence of Hades or Eternal fire. Jesus was a Hebrew and God, you need and must listen to His teachings on Hades, Hell and Heaven.
Oh for crying out loud Nathan that's ignorant. Fire in heaven mentioned 200+ times Fire in hell mentioned like 6 times I think. If you're afraid of fire I think hell sounds safer. In fact for exclusives heaven is hell. Every tribe tongue and race in heaven sounds like hell for exclusives to me. And they knew very well what eternal fire was. You'd know that if you looked. And I'm sure they have a better Idea what Hades is than us as well. Did you know out of the 18 times Jesus mentioned Hell the vast majority were here and now 15/3. By the way what do you think fire meant to them?. Did you know fire is the same as soap?. Must be hot soap huh?. How does that work?. Another fun fact. Generosity is mention more than Heaven, Hell, Faith and prayer combined. So why have you based your proclaimed belief on a fear of 6 portions of fire in hell mixed with a image created by the very people you despise?.
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Post by nathan on Oct 8, 2020 18:53:25 GMT -5
Who cares what the Hebrews felt about things because most of them didn't believe or KNOW existence of Hades or Eternal fire. Jesus was a Hebrew and God, you need and must listen to His teachings on Hades, Hell and Heaven.
Oh for crying out loud Nathan that's ignorant. Fire in heaven mentioned 200+ times Fire in hell mentioned like 6 times I think. If you're afraid of fire I think hell sounds safer. In fact for exclusives heaven is hell. Every tribe tongue and race in heaven sounds like hell for exclusives to me. And they knew very well what eternal fire was. You'd know that if you looked. And I'm sure they have a better Idea what Hades is than us as well. Did you know out of the 18 times Jesus mentioned Hell the vast majority were here and now 15/3. By the way what do you think fire meant to them?. Did you know fire is the same as soap?. Must be hot soap huh?. How does that work?. Another fun fact. Generosity is mention more than Heaven, Hell, Faith and prayer combined. So why have you based your proclaimed belief on a fear of 6 portions of fire in hell mixed with a image created by the very people you despise?. ** You are off your rocker, Chuck. It seems you don't believe in the existence of the REAL Hell, where the unbelievers souls go AFTER death.
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Post by chuck on Oct 8, 2020 19:42:39 GMT -5
Oh for crying out loud Nathan that's ignorant. Fire in heaven mentioned 200+ times Fire in hell mentioned like 6 times I think. If you're afraid of fire I think hell sounds safer. In fact for exclusives heaven is hell. Every tribe tongue and race in heaven sounds like hell for exclusives to me. And they knew very well what eternal fire was. You'd know that if you looked. And I'm sure they have a better Idea what Hades is than us as well. Did you know out of the 18 times Jesus mentioned Hell the vast majority were here and now 15/3. By the way what do you think fire meant to them?. Did you know fire is the same as soap?. Must be hot soap huh?. How does that work?. Another fun fact. Generosity is mention more than Heaven, Hell, Faith and prayer combined. So why have you based your proclaimed belief on a fear of 6 portions of fire in hell mixed with a image created by the very people you despise?. ** You are off your rocker, Chuck. It seems you don't believe in the existence of the REAL Hell, where the unbelievers souls go AFTER death. How do you arrive at that conclusion? I just put forward a very coherent observation and questions with no absolute on if there is or isn't a heaven or hell after we die and you run a mile and call me crazy ect. I would suggest a better explanation of crazy is enjoying the thought of other people burning. Isn't it funny how its always "other" people burning when your exclusive, why is that..... Maybe you can handle one at a time. Why is fire like soap?. Is the eternal lake of fire you love to burn people in just a lake full of cakes of soap?
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 8, 2020 19:49:20 GMT -5
Oh for crying out loud Nathan that's ignorant. Fire in heaven mentioned 200+ times Fire in hell mentioned like 6 times I think. If you're afraid of fire I think hell sounds safer. In fact for exclusives heaven is hell. Every tribe tongue and race in heaven sounds like hell for exclusives to me. And they knew very well what eternal fire was. You'd know that if you looked. And I'm sure they have a better Idea what Hades is than us as well. Did you know out of the 18 times Jesus mentioned Hell the vast majority were here and now 15/3. By the way what do you think fire meant to them?. Did you know fire is the same as soap?. Must be hot soap huh?. How does that work?. Another fun fact. Generosity is mention more than Heaven, Hell, Faith and prayer combined. So why have you based your proclaimed belief on a fear of 6 portions of fire in hell mixed with a image created by the very people you despise?. ** You are off your rocker, Chuck. It seems you don't believe in the existence of the REAL Hell, where the unbelievers souls go AFTER death. Typical response from nathan when he doesn't have an answer !
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Post by nathan on Oct 8, 2020 20:16:06 GMT -5
** You are off your rocker, Chuck. It seems you don't believe in the existence of the REAL Hell, where the unbelievers souls go AFTER death. Typical response from nathan when he doesn't have an answer ! I answered it but you doubters and unbelievers don't like the answers.
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Post by chuck on Oct 8, 2020 20:17:28 GMT -5
Typical response from nathan when he doesn't have an answer ! I answered it but you doubters and unbelievers don't like the answers. Why is soap like fire?.
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Post by chuck on Oct 8, 2020 20:21:10 GMT -5
Typical response from nathan when he doesn't have an answer ! I answered it but you doubters and unbelievers don't like the answers. Why is there more fire in heaven than hell?
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Post by nathan on Oct 8, 2020 21:36:31 GMT -5
I answered it but you doubters and unbelievers don't like the answers. Why is soap like fire?. I don't know what the heck you are talking about? It must be down under slang/idiom?
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Post by nathan on Oct 8, 2020 21:37:13 GMT -5
I answered it but you doubters and unbelievers don't like the answers. Why is there more fire in heaven than hell? Where do you read there is more fire in heaven than hell? Can you show me that in the Bible. Thanks.
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Post by joanna on Oct 8, 2020 22:57:31 GMT -5
Trying to make sense of the bible just adds fuel to the fire of delusions. Reference
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 0:24:51 GMT -5
Trying to make sense of the bible just adds fuel to the fire of delusions. Referencegenerally you are more respectful than that, what happened?
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Post by chuck on Oct 9, 2020 3:37:17 GMT -5
I don't know what the heck you are talking about? It must be down under slang/idiom? Malachi 3:2 [2]But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: Fire means purify Nathan. You should care how Hebrew people feel thoughts then you wouldn't go round burning people in a lake of soap like a goose.
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Post by chuck on Oct 9, 2020 3:39:40 GMT -5
Why is there more fire in heaven than hell? Where do you read there is more fire in heaven than hell? Can you show me that in the Bible. Thanks.Look for yourself. If you have to ask my summation was correct.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 5:39:03 GMT -5
I don't know what the heck you are talking about? It must be down under slang/idiom? Malachi 3:2 [2]But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: Fire means purify Nathan. You should care how Hebrew people feel thoughts then you wouldn't go round burning people in a lake of soap like a goose. you are clearly not understanding the metaphor there JW...stick to the gospels and you'll do better...
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Post by chuck on Oct 9, 2020 6:51:33 GMT -5
Malachi 3:2 [2]But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: Fire means purify Nathan. You should care how Hebrew people feel thoughts then you wouldn't go round burning people in a lake of soap like a goose. you are clearly not understanding the metaphor there JW...stick to the gospels and you'll do better... You don't say!. I'm glad you pointed it out, here I was thinking the lake of fire was actually gonna burn people and your telling me It's just a great big bubble bath. Phew!.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 7:39:33 GMT -5
you are clearly not understanding the metaphor there JW...stick to the gospels and you'll do better... You don't say!. I'm glad you pointed it out, here I was thinking the lake of fire was actually gonna burn people and your telling me It's just a great big bubble bath. Phew!. no i didn't. what kind of moonman talk is that?
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Post by nathan on Oct 9, 2020 8:55:06 GMT -5
I don't know what the heck you are talking about? It must be down under slang/idiom? Malachi 3:2 [2]But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: Fire means purify Nathan. You should care how Hebrew people feel thoughts then you wouldn't go round burning people in a lake of soap like a goose. You have your verses mixed up between spiritual and literal fire. In Malachi that fire there meant spiritual fire. Christ 1st coming he is LIKE as fire/purifying, purge the people sins... Here are 4 expositions below... bibleapps.com/commentaries/malachi/3-2.htmBut who {d} may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: (d) He shows that the hypocrites who wish so much for the Lord's coming will not remain when he draws near: for he will consume them, and purge his people sins.
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Post by nathan on Oct 9, 2020 9:00:57 GMT -5
you are clearly not understanding the metaphor there JW...stick to the gospels and you'll do better... You don't say!. I'm glad you pointed it out, here I was thinking the lake of fire was actually gonna burn people and your telling me It's just a great big bubble bath. Phew!. Yes, Bubble bath you call it which burn forever in the LAKE of Fire! This is the kind the Fire that burn forever, no human souls want to be thrown into it.
Rev. 21: 6-8 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and ladymongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Rev. 20: 10-15 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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Post by chuck on Oct 9, 2020 19:10:10 GMT -5
Malachi 3:2 [2]But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: Fire means purify Nathan. You should care how Hebrew people feel thoughts then you wouldn't go round burning people in a lake of soap like a goose. You have your verses mixed up between spiritual and literal fire. In Malachi that fire there meant spiritual fire. Christ 1st coming he is LIKE as fire/purifying, purge the people sins... Here are 4 expositions below... bibleapps.com/commentaries/malachi/3-2.htmBut who {d} may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: (d) He shows that the hypocrites who wish so much for the Lord's coming will not remain when he draws near: for he will consume them, and purge his people sins.
Well that's convenient Nathan. Kinda like how its convienient that you're not in these categories also. I never knew you. First will be last. Few there be that find it. Hebrew concepts didn't just change between OT and NT because the NT was written well after the fact. Add in that Revelation was some kind of repsonse to the way of the roman empire, yet you still read it quite literally.
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Post by intelchips on Oct 10, 2020 9:39:56 GMT -5
Many never ready with a critical eye. Example: "I just wish that those troublemakers who want to mutilate you by circumcision would mutilate themselves." In other words don't stop at cutting the foreskin but cut deep and remove the whole penis. Oh what a bizarre sick thing to have to read! Funny thing that those who usually drink deep of the cool aid that Paul offers won't even take a sip of what he sits before you Here. If you're not a sleep at the wheel here we get a glimpse of the war between James and Paul. And if you can glimpse that then a deeper study will shows you just how false all the other things you think you know are wrong.
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Post by jetmech on Oct 10, 2020 15:05:04 GMT -5
Oh what a bizarre sick thing to have to read! Funny thing that those who usually drink deep of the cool aid that Paul offers won't even take a sip of what he sits before you were. If you're not a sleep at the wheel here we get a glimpse of the war between James and Paul. And if you can glimpse that then a deeper study will shows you just how false all the other things you think you know are wrong. Like what ... for example?
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Post by intelchips on Oct 10, 2020 16:12:58 GMT -5
Funny thing that those who usually drink deep of the cool aid that Paul offers won't even take a sip of what he sits before you were. If you're not a sleep at the wheel here we get a glimpse of the war between James and Paul. And if you can glimpse that then a deeper study will shows you just how false all the other things you think you know are wrong. Like what ... for example? sorry typos: should read before you "here"
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Post by jetmech on Oct 11, 2020 9:55:59 GMT -5
Like what ... for example? sorry typos: should read before you "here" I'm not understanding ... this all seems oddly 'off the chain'
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Post by openingact34 on Oct 11, 2020 10:19:02 GMT -5
If HELL/the Lake of fire isn't literal and spiritual, Chuck... Then Christ/God Jesus would NOT have come down from heaven to die on Calvary's Cross for Adam, Eve and their fallen children sins to REDEEM them from the Second Death that is to be cast in the Lake of fire for Eternity because of disobedience and sins.
Jesus suffered a natural and spiritual Death on Calvary's for the sins of humanity So, no New Test childten of God souls will go to Hades after they died but to Heaven to be with Christ and God. HELL and Heaven are literal and REAL, Chuck.
Nathan this is exactly what I mean by saying we dont have a hope understanding the NT if we don't understand the OT. What you are repeating to me seems like 2000 years of religion derived from literal reading mainly of the NT. This is heavily influenced by Catholicism and you are repeating the very thing originating from the people you despise. Who said it was to be all read literally?. Who?. A Hebraic perspective sheds a whole new light on it, and what you will find is Heaven to those people, it seems more like a state of mind, not a specific place like us westerners push. Same with Hell. When they heard fire they thought purify, we think,flames,devil, hell, down. When they heard Eternal life, they thought a type of life lived out now, we think, living for ever and ever. When they heard hell they thought the grave or a rubbish dump life that stinks, we think burning, fire, down, devil. We think all these things, Hebrew people feel all these things. We think thoughts, they feel thoughts. We cannot grasp this because 2000+ years on our understanding and culture has evolved dramatically and we go back with our current understanding to read it, which we have to read it all quite literally to make sense with our current understanding, throw in the constant urge for man to control man by continued misuse of the scriptures by you must see it this way or we'll kill you and there we have it, Unity by way of Religion. The constant division and segregation of people by way of religion is the total opposite to the narrative of scripture. The best way to live your life is, Compassionate, Gracious, Slow to anger and Abounding in love, this cannot mix with religion when "you must worship my concept of God" is the religious motto. None of this is to say there is not a heaven or hell ect after you die, I dont know, but what I do know if your in hell now, you can bet you'll be in hell there!. The Character of Christ lived out in your life is Eternal life, heaven!, Now!. 2000 years is not the right comparison to be making. There are many other documents written at the same time as the New Testament which show that the apostles were teaching the early Christians a message of hell and eternal torture. If you want to make the argument that Christianity was perverted over the years or that there was a lack of understanding of the culture, you need to show that this ignorance initiated in the first 50-70 years after Jesus was crucified. The Apocalypse of Peter is one of the best examples of eternal torture in hell being taught, and it conservatively dates to 100AD. 21 And I saw also another place over against that one, very squalid; and it was a place of punishment, and they that were punished and the angels that punished them had their raiment dark, according to the air of the place. 22 And some there were there hanging by their tongues; and these were they that blasphemed the way of righteousness, and under them was laid fire flaming and tormenting them. 23 And there was a great lake full of flaming mire, wherein were certain men that turned away from righteousness; and angels, tormentors, were set over them. 24 And there were also others, women, hanged by their hair above that mire which boiled up; and these were they that adorned themselves for adultery. And the men that were joined with them in the defilement of adultery were hanging by their feet, and had their heads hidden in the mire, and said: We believed not that we should come unto this place. 25 And I saw the murderers and them that were consenting to them cast into a strait place full of evil, creeping things, and smitten by those beasts, and so turning themselves about in that torment. And upon them were set worms like clouds of darkness. And the souls of them that were murdered stood and looked upon the torment of those murderers and said: O God, righteous is thy judgement. 26 And hard by that place I saw another strait place wherein the discharge and the stench of them that were in torment ran down, and there was as it were a lake there. And there sat women up to their necks in that liquor, and over against them many children which were born out of due time sat crying: and from them went forth rays of fire and smote the women in the eyes: and these were they that conceived out of wedlock (?) and caused abortion. 27 And other men and women were being burned up to their middle and cast down in a dark place and scourged by evil spirits, and having their entrails devoured by worms that rested not. And these were they that had persecuted the righteous and delivered them up. 28 And near to them again were women and men gnawing their lips and in torment, and having iron heated in the fire set against their eyes. And these were they that did blaspheme and speak evil of the way of righteousness. 29 And over against these were yet others, men and women, gnawing their tongues and having flaming fire in their mouths. And these were the false witnesses. 30 And in another place were gravel-stones sharper than swords or any spit, heated with fire, and men and women clad in filthy rags rolled upon them in torment. And these were they that were rich and trusted in their riches, and had no pity upon orphans and widows but neglected the commandments of God. 31 And in another great lake full of foul matter (pus) and blood and boiling mire stood men and women up to their knees And these were they that lent money and demanded usury upon usury. 32 And other men and women being cast down from a great rock (precipice) fell (came) to the bottom, and again were driven by them that were set over them, to go up upon the rock, and thence were cast down to the bottom and had no rest from this torment. And these were they that did defile their bodies behaving as women: and the women that were with them were they that lay with one another as a man with a woman. 33 And beside that rock was a place full of much fire, and there stood men which with their own hands had made images for themselves instead of God, [And beside them other men and women] having rods of fire and smiting one another and never resting from this manner of torment.... 34 And yet others near unto them, men and women, burning and turning themselves about and roasted as in a pan. And these were they that forsook the way of God. Clearly that is not all figurative.
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Post by intelchips on Oct 11, 2020 12:06:20 GMT -5
sorry typos: should read before you "here" I'm not understanding ... this all seems oddly 'off the chain' Okay I'll make one more attempt to explain. If the majority of Christians read Paul's works and get a warm fuzzy feeling and drift off into thinking all is right with the world and then come to the bits where Paul is talking hostile towards James and his followers in Jerusalem and never question what is going on there or never research deeper to find out why this doesn't seem out of character for a fellow Christian to be at odds. Perhaps some other scholars here that are better communicators then myself will come to our aid and give a better explanation to what I'm trying to explain. Sorry jetmech I can only point you at the data. What you make of it is up to you.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 11, 2020 12:08:56 GMT -5
I'm not understanding ... this all seems oddly 'off the chain' Okay I'll make one more attempt to explain. If the majority of Christians read Paul's works and get a warm fuzzy feeling and drift off into thinking all is right with the world and then come to the bits where Paul is talking hostile towards James and his followers in Jerusalem and never question what is going on there or never research deeper to find out why this doesn't seem out of character for a fellow Christian to be at odds. Perhaps some other scholars here that are better communicators then myself will come to our aid and give a better explanation to what I'm trying to explain. Sorry jetmech I can only point you at the data. What you make of it is up to you. You are not the only one that has noticed this and one dos not have to be much of a scholar or a communicator to realize Paul was a prick. The changes in his life that he seems proud of post "vision" are all smoke and mirrors. He stayed a prick.
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Post by intelchips on Oct 11, 2020 13:41:51 GMT -5
Okay I'll make one more attempt to explain. If the majority of Christians read Paul's works and get a warm fuzzy feeling and drift off into thinking all is right with the world and then come to the bits where Paul is talking hostile towards James and his followers in Jerusalem and never question what is going on there or never research deeper to find out why this doesn't seem out of character for a fellow Christian to be at odds. Perhaps some other scholars here that are better communicators then myself will come to our aid and give a better explanation to what I'm trying to explain. Sorry jetmech I can only point you at the data. What you make of it is up to you. You are not the only one that has noticed this and one dos not have to be much of a scholar or a communicator to realize Paul was a prick. The changes in his life that he seems proud of post "vision" are all smoke and mirrors. He stayed a prick. "It is impossible for us to look into the mind of a man long dead and determine his motives conclusively. Was he a sincere and loyal convert who simply misunderstood the teachings of his new master, or did he have a more sinister intent to subvert and undermine the teachings of him who he claimed to be the messianic savior? We’ll never know. What we can say with certainty, however, is that after examining the legacy of writing he left — more than any other writer in the Bible — that for whatever reason, intentional or a great historical misunderstanding, the message he left opposed and undermined that of the titular messiah (Jesus the “Christ”) to whom he claimed obeisance. The evidence becomes apparent when we compare the words of Paul side by side with those attributed to Jesus (who left no writings of his own) and to the other followers closest to Jesus, such as his brother James." - Danizier
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 11, 2020 14:00:36 GMT -5
I'm not understanding ... this all seems oddly 'off the chain' Okay I'll make one more attempt to explain. If the majority of Christians read Paul's works and get a warm fuzzy feeling and drift off into thinking all is right with the world and then come to the bits where Paul is talking hostile towards James and his followers in Jerusalem and never question what is going on there or never research deeper to find out why this doesn't seem out of character for a fellow Christian to be at odds. Perhaps some other scholars here that are better communicators then myself will come to our aid and give a better explanation to what I'm trying to explain. Sorry jetmech I can only point you at the data. What you make of it is up to you. I'm not a scholar but I find this interesting.It appears that the rift in Christian doctrine between Paul & James was the first disagreement of doctrine which has mushroomed into the this:
Contents 1 Terminology and qualification 2 Christian denominational families 3 Historical groups 3.1 Early Christian 3.2 Late ancient and Medieval Christian 3.2.1 Church of the East 3.2.1.1 Assyrian Christianity 3.2.2 Oriental Orthodox Churches 4 Eastern Orthodox 5 Roman Catholic 5.1 Latin Church (Western Church) 5.2 Eastern Catholic Churches 5.2.1 Alexandrian Rite 5.2.2 Armenian Rite 5.2.3 Byzantine Rite 5.2.4 East Syriac Rite 5.2.5 West Syriac Rite 6 Protestant 6.1 Proto-Protestant 6.2 Lutheran 6.2.1 Pietism 6.3 Reformed 6.3.1 Continental Reformed churches 6.3.2 Presbyterianism 6.3.3 Congregationalism 6.4 Anglican 6.4.1 Anglican Communion 6.4.1.1 United and uniting churches who hold membership in the Anglican Communion 6.4.2 Other Anglican churches and Continuing Anglican movement 6.5 Anabaptist 6.5.1 Schwarzenau Brethren Movement 6.6 Baptist 6.6.1 Holiness Baptists 6.6.2 Spiritual Baptists 6.6.3 Bapticostals 6.7 Methodist 6.7.1 Holiness movement 6.8 Campbellite and Millerist 6.8.1 Stone-Campbell Restoration movement 6.8.2 Early Sabbath-Keeping movements, predating Millerism 6.8.3 Millerism and comparable groups 6.8.4 Adventist movement (Sunday observing) 6.8.5 Adventist movement (Seventh Day Sabbath/Saturday observing) 6.9 Quaker 6.9.1 Shakers 6.10 Plymouth Brethren 6.11 Irvingist 6.12 Pentecostal and Charismatic 6.12.1 Pentecostal Holiness movement 6.12.2 Other Charismatic movements 6.12.3 Neo-charismatic movement 6.13 Uniting 6.13.1 Free Evangelical Churches 6.14 Evangelical 6.14.1 African Evangelicalism 6.14.1.1 P'ent'ay 6.14.2 Asian-initiated churches 6.14.2.1 Chinese Independent Churches 6.14.2.2 Japanese Independent Churches 6.14.3 Malaysian Evangelicalism 6.14.4 North American Evangelicalism 6.14.5 South American Evangelicalism 6.14.6 Internet churches 6.15 Eastern Protestant Christian 6.16 Other Protestant churches and movements 7 Independent Sacramental 7.1 Independent Catholic 7.2 Independent Orthodox 7.2.1 True Orthodoxy 7.2.1.1 Old Believers 7.2.2 Syncretic Orthodoxy 8 Miscellaneous 8.1 Independent Russian 8.2 Southcottist 8.3 Christian Identitist 8.4 Independent/Isolated 8.5 Nontrinitarian 8.5.1 Oneness Pentecostalism 8.5.2 Unitarian and Universalism 8.5.3 Nontrinitarian Restorationism 8.5.3.1 American Israelism and Latter Day Saint movement 8.5.3.1.1 "Prairie Saint" Latter Day Saints 8.5.3.1.2 "Rocky Mountain" Latter Day Saints 8.5.3.1.3 Fundamentalist Rocky Mountain Latter Day Saints 8.5.3.1.4 Other Latter Day Saint denominations 8.5.3.2 British Israelism 8.5.3.2.1 World Wide Church of God splinter groups 8.5.3.3 Bible Students and splinter groups 8.5.3.4 Mexican groups 8.5.3.5 Philippine groups 8.5.4 Swedenborgianism 8.5.5 Christian Science 8.5.6 Esoteric Christianity (Gnosticism) 8.5.7 Other Nontrinitarians 8.6 Judeo-Christian 8.6.1 Messianic Judaism 8.6.2 Black Hebrew Israelites 8.6.3 Other groups 9 Parachurch 10 Ideologies 11 Syncretic 11.1 New Thought 11.2 Other syncretists
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