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Post by nathan on Sept 29, 2020 23:51:11 GMT -5
** Well, IF they had taken our warnings on CSA seriously, they would have acted on it and dealt with it head on back then but they did NOT. Some overseers and workers tried to tackle on CSA but they got a lot of resistance from majority overseers. They felt CSA is over blown thing, victims and abusers will get over it in time and move on with their lives so let us covered it up and That was a VERY BAD decision. Pull out your hymn book. See what it says. Wait on the Lord, and trust in all His leadings; Ask now of Him, and let Him ask of you; Answer His prayers, and yours He'll gladly answer; Be true to Him, to you He will be true.
Wait on the Lord, be of good cheer and courage; Follow His steps, obey His still, small voice. Trust in His grace, which is sufficient for you; Then at the end with Him you will rejoice.Do you see anything about acting on your own? NO. Wait on the lord. Obey his still small voice. He'll answer your prayers. Decades of overseers and workers singing this....and NOTHING done. Has to be God doing the coverup. We waited for 20 years and looked where it got us! Have you been reading Chinesewhispers1 posts on TMB, at all? Do you THINK God is enjoying that the children of the friends suffered, traumatize for life with the abused? STOP the twisting and Warp thinking of your mind and blame God with your atheist mind.
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Post by slowtosee on Sept 30, 2020 6:09:58 GMT -5
an atheist or witch quoting scripture is as about as useful as having teats on a bull... The “saying” , I’m more familiar with along that line is “ as useless as tits on a boar” , which is not really “true” As “ the # of tits on a boar is highly heritable and passes that # of teats onto his daughter gilts.... so actually quite useful! :-)” Trivia
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Openin Post Quote The other day, I noticed how many of the 2x2 exes materials had been laid to waste. Anyone who writes books, does interviews, or has a website against the 2x2 way should take heed. Let's take stock: DELETED FROM YOUTUBE AND 60 MINUTES WEBSITE: 60 Minutes Television Expose of CSA in the Truth www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE76OlNwIOsSHUT DOWN: Brad Lewis's website www.2x2ministry.orgSHUT DOWN: Cherie Kropp's Liberty Connection Website www.thelibertyconnection.infoSHUT DOWN: Veterans of Truth Website www.votisalive.comSHUT DOWN: Veterans of Truth Blog veteransoftruth.blogspot.com ON DEATH'S DOORSTEP: TMB Message Board OUT OF PRINT: The Secret Sect Book by Doug and Helen Parker OUT OF PRINT: Reflected Truth Book by Joan Daniel OUT OF PRINT: A Search for Truth Book by Lloyd Fortt OUT OF PRINT: The Church Without a Name Book by Kathleen Lewis Not only are the books out of print, but every one of the authors seems to have decided not to release them into the public domain. This prevents any copies from being made for 70 YEARS after the death of the author. The earliest point at which an electronic copy of the Secret Sect can be made and passed around is 2090, but it will likely be later since one of the Parkers is still living. How many million people do you think will be living on Mars by the time everybody can freely read a copy of the Secret Sect? God has helped the friends and workers destroy most remaining copies of these books so that the few remaining copies change hands at exorbitant prices. On Amazon, the cheapest copy of Kathleen Lewis's book is $775 USD. Joan Daniel's book is $810. The Secret Sect goes for over $200. Any guesses on what the Hand of God will destroy next? Unquote This is the typical 2x2 'twist' of even the obvious opposite, and that is done with their Bibles first, so there is no surprise to me to see it applied to any other topic they alone 'know' is 'right.' The poster spewing such twisted 'stats' forgot TMB, which is basically dead to all but one secular view for years already and only regurgitates old TMB topics – round and round the mulberry bush. The information provided on the 'exes' websites is very well known outside of 2x2ism, was not necessarily made public for 2x2s in the first place, and therefore achieved its goal within the church a couple of decades ago, needing no regurgitation any longer – for example I saw a couple of the listed books which sold new for peanut shells offered online for as much as $1000 – someone thinks those books are pots of gold these days, while some of those books are in libraries all around the world for anyone to read. And I did see downloadable electronic copies of more than one of them online at one time. And even when those books have never become public domain that I know of – most of their information has long been public domain – except on TMB. See ya maybe next month if there is ANYTHING new and perhaps even interesting on this bored.
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Post by CherieKropp on Oct 4, 2020 8:36:57 GMT -5
The other day, I noticed how many of the 2x2 exes materials had been laid to waste. Anyone who writes books, does interviews, or has a website against the 2x2 way should take heed. Let's take stock: Not only are the books out of print, but every one of the authors seems to have decided not to release them into the public domain. This prevents any copies from being made for 70 YEARS after the death of the author. The earliest point at which an electronic copy of the Secret Sect can be made and passed around is 2090, but it will likely be later since one of the Parkers is still living. How many million people do you think will be living on Mars by the time everybody can freely read a copy of the Secret Sect?
God has helped the friends and workers destroy most remaining copies of these books so that the few remaining copies change hands at exorbitant prices. On Amazon, the cheapest copy of Kathleen Lewis's book is $775 USD. Joan Daniel's book is $810. The Secret Sect goes for over $200.
Any guesses on what the Hand of God will destroy next?
Good list. There was another Forum shut down last year (or year before maybe?), but I cant recall the name. It was uncensured/not moderated and got pretty wild. No registration was required. Also, the TTT Photo Gallery was shut down by my host, b ut is now ready to go back online shortly.
Edited 10/9/20: The TTT Photo Gallery is back online at: tellingthetruth.info/photogallery/The Liberty Connection Website will return.It will be rebranded as Expressions by Ex-2x2sNo content was lost when my host removed it, stating that its software posed a risk to their security. I am pleased that Ex-2x2 Thomas Teegarden has volunteered to assist in reviving it, and is busy working on it. The website has already been created and content is being transferred.
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Post by mountain on Oct 4, 2020 14:18:11 GMT -5
From Mountains post, "I don't know if there is any truth in the rumours that some of the early professing women obtained docked horse's tails to follow in the footsteps of Dorothy Irvine's example. If anyone has any knowledge of this practice then please share it with us. I'm sure it would be much appreciated!". I know many of those early Women used a Horse's tail on the back of there head every Sunday for meeting. They used to wind it up on cotton covered electrical wire and then twist the wire in a circle, to make it look like a Cow pat. Many of them had a face like a Horse's arse so they probably wanted the back of their head, compliment their face. Fascinating. Absolutely fascinating! I never knew that. Many thanks Redz for posting this. It is a valuable exercise in spreading understanding and knowledge!
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Post by CherieKropp on Oct 4, 2020 14:24:34 GMT -5
FYI: The Original VOT is archived on TLT at www.thelyingtruth.info/vot/homepage.php The RIS website shows that Reflected Truth is being revised prior to re-publication, and that A Search for the Truth is still in print. See: www.workersect.org/2x206.html As for "every one of the authors seems to have decided not to release them into the public domain," there are good reasons for that. Chief among these is to prevent some philistine from putting out bowdlerized extracts or versions that misrepresent the author's work. Cheap shots of that sort are not unheard of. Two by Twos wanting to disprove these narratives need to do their own legwork and address the actual issues.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 4, 2020 16:42:43 GMT -5
I do believe I saw a copy of that book, dusty with age, in a tail-docker's hut high in the Swiss Alps I once visited while on a tour called "Ski Lifts, Fondue, and Tail-Dockers: A View of the Swiss Alps. Irrespective of how tenuous this piece of information may be, it raises hope that the book was certainly written and copies may survive today in some very obscure places. The tail dockers' angle is very interesting. Dorothy is known to have visited the Alpine regions of Switzerland and there is of course that unconfirmed story of her, after having cut her hair short, she learned of an impending worker visit. Intuitively she found a suitable docked horse's tail which she wound into a bun and attached it to the back of her head. This not only fooled the workers who visited her, one even remarked how pleased they were to see her upholding the standards of the kingdom at a time when other women in the fold were taking liberties with their hair. I don't know if there is any truth in the rumours that some of the early professing women obtained docked horse's tails to follow in the footsteps of Dorothy Irvine's example. If anyone has any knowledge of this practice then please share it with us. I'm sure it would be much appreciated! I would be interested in knowing if any of the horses recognized their own tails which were now on those ladies heads and if so, -how did those horses feel about the theft of their property without permission or legal right and without any intention of returning it.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 4, 2020 16:57:04 GMT -5
The other day, I noticed how many of the 2x2 exes materials had been laid to waste. Anyone who writes books, does interviews, or has a website against the 2x2 way should take heed. Let's take stock: Not only are the books out of print, but every one of the authors seems to have decided not to release them into the public domain. This prevents any copies from being made for 70 YEARS after the death of the author. The earliest point at which an electronic copy of the Secret Sect can be made and passed around is 2090, but it will likely be later since one of the Parkers is still living. How many million people do you think will be living on Mars by the time everybody can freely read a copy of the Secret Sect?
God has helped the friends and workers destroy most remaining copies of these books so that the few remaining copies change hands at exorbitant prices. On Amazon, the cheapest copy of Kathleen Lewis's book is $775 USD. Joan Daniel's book is $810. The Secret Sect goes for over $200.
Any guesses on what the Hand of God will destroy next?
Good list. There was another Forum shut down last year (or year before maybe?), but I cant recall the name. It was uncensured/not moderated and got pretty wild. No registration was required. Also, the TTT Photo Gallery was shut down by my host, but is now ready to go back online shortly. The Liberty Connection Website will return.It will be rebranded as Expressions by Ex-2x2sNo content was lost when my host removed it, stating that its software posed a risk to their security. A volunteer will be starting to work on it soon. The website has already been created and is ready to receive the content. The other day, I noticed how many of the 2x2 exes materials had been laid to waste. Anyone who writes books, does interviews, or has a website against the 2x2 way should take heed. Let's take stock: Not only are the books out of print, but every one of the authors seems to have decided not to release them into the public domain. This prevents any copies from being made for 70 YEARS after the death of the author. The earliest point at which an electronic copy of the Secret Sect can be made and passed around is 2090, but it will likely be later since one of the Parkers is still living. How many million people do you think will be living on Mars by the time everybody can freely read a copy of the Secret Sect?
God has helped the friends and workers destroy most remaining copies of these books so that the few remaining copies change hands at exorbitant prices. On Amazon, the cheapest copy of Kathleen Lewis's book is $775 USD. Joan Daniel's book is $810. The Secret Sect goes for over $200.
Any guesses on what the Hand of God will destroy next?
Good list. There was another Forum shut down last year (or year before maybe?), but I cant recall the name. It was uncensured/not moderated and got pretty wild. No registration was required. Also, the TTT Photo Gallery was shut down by my host, but is now ready to go back online shortly. The Liberty Connection Website will return.It will be rebranded as Expressions by Ex-2x2sNo content was lost when my host removed it, stating that its software posed a risk to their security. A volunteer will be starting to work on it soon. The website has already been created and is ready to receive the content. The other day, I noticed how many of the 2x2 exes materials had been laid to waste. Anyone who writes books, does interviews, or has a website against the 2x2 way should take heed. Let's take stock: Not only are the books out of print, but every one of the authors seems to have decided not to release them into the public domain. This prevents any copies from being made for 70 YEARS after the death of the author. The earliest point at which an electronic copy of the Secret Sect can be made and passed around is 2090, but it will likely be later since one of the Parkers is still living. How many million people do you think will be living on Mars by the time everybody can freely read a copy of the Secret Sect?
God has helped the friends and workers destroy most remaining copies of these books so that the few remaining copies change hands at exorbitant prices. On Amazon, the cheapest copy of Kathleen Lewis's book is $775 USD. Joan Daniel's book is $810. The Secret Sect goes for over $200.
Any guesses on what the Hand of God will destroy next?
Good list. There was another Forum shut down last year (or year before maybe?), but I cant recall the name. It was uncensured/not moderated and got pretty wild. No registration was required. Also, the TTT Photo Gallery was shut down by my host, but is now ready to go back online shortly. The Liberty Connection Website will return.It will be rebranded as Expressions by Ex-2x2sNo content was lost when my host removed it, stating that its software posed a risk to their security. A volunteer will be starting to work on it soon. The website has already been created and is ready to receive the content. Glad to know that, Cheri.
So your own valuable history and that of many others others will be preserved and it is not being destroyed
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 20:11:42 GMT -5
“No content was lost when my host removed it, stating that its software posed a risk to their security. “
Very interesting Cherie and thanks for making it interesting for me to post a second time here before a month passes.
VIAQ (votisalive) was removed by its owner for the same software security risk that you say your host removed yours. And as I understand it VIA was a lot of work produced by few volunteers from the source it had in VOT (veteransoftruth) And due to those few people deciding against re-doing all that work on yet another software to watch it likely go the same route into insecurity, VIA remained gone as a website – but most if not all of VIA is posted on TMB in downloadable PDFs of every page of VIA. I cannot now recall the TMB thread title, but all of VIA's information is STILL online in download form free of charge unless TMB has since deleted that thread.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 21:18:53 GMT -5
Apparently openingact34 is mistaken on some of the list votisalive.blogspot.com/2018/12/title-list-with-link-to-pdf-file-you.html Well, maybe more accurate than I thought – the link opens the votisalive.blogspot resource list, but the links it provides sit spinning the wheels and don't load. So back to some research to see if I can fix that apparent glitch. If I can I'll post votisalive links that do load and download free of charge.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 21:35:18 GMT -5
Apparently openingact34 is mistaken on some of the list votisalive.blogspot.com/2018/12/title-list-with-link-to-pdf-file-you.html Well, maybe more accurate than I thought – the link opens the votisalive.blogspot resource list, but the links it provides sit spinning the wheels and don't load. So back to some research to see if I can fix that apparent glitch. If I can I'll post votisalive links that do load and download free of charge. Nope, although the votisalive list of links does load ready to downoad used off TMB, posted on TMB the same link just spins wheels and doesn't load. The votisalive.blogspot list of links used outside of TMB does load the files ready to download – they are all public domain according to votisalive.blogspot, just as they were on VIA when it was online. By now I suspect that there are more copies of those files around this globe, particularly with countercult ministries than will ever disappear or be 'destroyed' by 2x2s, not God.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 21:55:54 GMT -5
So, I tried this procedure and those links load ready to download.
Open the votisalive.blogspot resource list by clicking it posted link here.
Select the whole list of titled links – easiest by pressing control A on your keyboard then control V inside your word processor,
Then copy the link and paste it into your browser url line and hit your return key – fo me, every one of those links loads its titled file ready to download or just view. Votisalive website is STILL online in those pdf files and 2x2s cannot destroy that info no matter how much they have spent buying up the books and burning them. In fact A Search For The Truth is in electronic form, freely downloadable within that list – public domain no less.
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Post by mountain on Oct 5, 2020 4:18:27 GMT -5
Irrespective of how tenuous this piece of information may be, it raises hope that the book was certainly written and copies may survive today in some very obscure places. The tail dockers' angle is very interesting. Dorothy is known to have visited the Alpine regions of Switzerland and there is of course that unconfirmed story of her, after having cut her hair short, she learned of an impending worker visit. Intuitively she found a suitable docked horse's tail which she wound into a bun and attached it to the back of her head. This not only fooled the workers who visited her, one even remarked how pleased they were to see her upholding the standards of the kingdom at a time when other women in the fold were taking liberties with their hair. I don't know if there is any truth in the rumours that some of the early professing women obtained docked horse's tails to follow in the footsteps of Dorothy Irvine's example. If anyone has any knowledge of this practice then please share it with us. I'm sure it would be much appreciated! I would be interested in knowing if any of the horses recognized their own tails which were now on those ladies heads and if so, -how did those horses feel about the theft of their property without permission or legal right and without any intention of returning it.
DM You are 'questioning!' Is it not so that the worker is bestowed with all authority? Your post sounds like a bitter spirit developing?
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Post by joanna on Oct 5, 2020 18:00:51 GMT -5
In the context of Christianity, learning about the origins of one minor sect may be of some interest, especially to those who were brought up in it, however this focus diverts from a genuine and honest study into the origins of Christianity.
When applying the same line of inquiry onto the content of the Christian bible and whether it can be relied upon as factual, the same conclusions are reached by those who have studied the history of the 2x2 group.
2X2 history serves as a diversion from understanding that the same theme of false claims is at the core of the Christian belief.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 5, 2020 20:03:04 GMT -5
I would be interested in knowing if any of the horses recognized their own tails which were now on those ladies heads and if so, -how did those horses feel about the theft of their property without permission or legal right and without any intention of returning it.
DM You are 'questioning!' Is it not so that the worker is bestowed with all authority? Your post sounds like a bitter spirit developing? Actually not so much 'questioning' of any authority, -worker or otherwise, -but more like the idle curiosity that Alice in Wonderland did. I was thinking more in terms of scenarios like how the horses might react.
I wondered might the horses be angry and confront those women & try to use their teeth to grab back their docked tails from off those ladies heads?
Or might those horses only kneel before the ladies & plead with them to give them back their docked tails?
Then those dear ladies, with tears streaming down their lovely? faces would attempt to re-attach the tails back onto the horses rear ends but would only be able to tie them on using a ribbon which they then tied in a lovely bow.
Which is what the ladies should have done when they first put them on their OWN heads, -which would have been much more lovely than wrapping them up like a COW pile!
After all, -they did come from HORSES not COWS for heavens sake!
Ah, but they didn't become wise enough to think of that until much later in time, -in fact not until about the mid-1950s when the high ponytail became popular on teenagers and tied with a scarf or ribbon.
But we do progress, -we do progress; eventually.
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Post by Gene on Oct 6, 2020 18:49:20 GMT -5
In the context of Christianity, learning about the origins of one minor sect may be of some interest, especially to those who were brought up in it, however this focus diverts from a genuine and honest study into the origins of Christianity. When applying the same line of inquiry onto the content of the Christian bible and whether it can be relied upon as factual, the same conclusions are reached by those who have studied the history of the 2x2 group. 2X2 history serves as a diversion from understanding that the same theme of false claims is at the core of the Christian belief. That sounds a bit like saying a person's study of one's own genealogy, warts and all, serves as a diversion from understanding the history of humankind as a whole, warts and all.
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Post by joanna on Oct 6, 2020 22:44:41 GMT -5
Gene. If a person applied a micro-focus on their own genealogy, and ignored the bigger picture encompassing the characteristics, behaviours etc of the human species, then it would be a diversion from progressive learning. It comes across as a defence mechanism when a Christian chooses to limit or restrict their historical inquiry. Given investigating the 2x2 sect exposed the false claims and lies, an objective and non-biased intention would be to determine whether the Christian's own variation of belief was based on fact and evidence or whether it too was founded on false historical claims. I think this link emphasises why dissecting one Christian sect is irrational if failing to critique the origins of Christianity and the beliefs which unite all Christian sects: Christianity for Dummies Cheat Sheet
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Post by xna on Oct 8, 2020 20:06:38 GMT -5
All those gods, all their followers, all those who did not believe in those gods, will in the fullness of time have the same ending. Me thinks, websites work the same way. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 23:02:27 GMT -5
Oh my, this board is soooo popular with those who have little to say – twelve postings on TMB in twelve days. And presently reporting 19 viewing in its worldwide audience. Maybe its time TMB retired its free board due to global boredom with its 'discussion(s)'.
But this thread's topic has been shown long ago to be very inaccurate in its opening post – which few posts remain on topic on Oct 19. So I guess the original poster will now blame God for the obvious general worldwide absence of much of an audience these days – it certainly ain't the usual boring resident posters on TMB who are destroying TMB – it gotta be God ah huh ah huh ah huh. And then the 2x2s play their similar tune to gobble meeting audiences of 2x2s only – ho hum.
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Post by CherieKropp on Oct 20, 2020 8:27:47 GMT -5
Has anyone asked Cherie Kropp why her site is down? It says maintenance....maybe with Corona she couldn't afford to keep the website? maybe someone brought legal action and so she has to change some wording? Maybe the server is down? Hopefully the information isn't gone forever. Thanks for asking. Has nothing to do with Covid. My host removed it for outdated software. Currently, we are busy working on a new website on new software to take the place of TLC. It's a huge amount of work converting the contents (which were not lost!).
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Post by matisse on Oct 20, 2020 8:44:40 GMT -5
Oh my, this board is soooo popular with those who have little to say – twelve postings on TMB in twelve days. And presently reporting 19 viewing in its worldwide audience. Maybe its time TMB retired its free board due to global boredom with its 'discussion(s)'. But this thread's topic has been shown long ago to be very inaccurate in its opening post – which few posts remain on topic on Oct 19. So I guess the original poster will now blame God for the obvious general worldwide absence of much of an audience these days – it certainly ain't the usual boring resident posters on TMB who are destroying TMB – it gotta be God ah huh ah huh ah huh. And then the 2x2s play their similar tune to gobble meeting audiences of 2x2s only – ho hum. Many of openingact's posts are tongue-in-cheek. I think that once again, you've been had.
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Post by magpies39plus on Nov 9, 2020 18:34:51 GMT -5
We were told not to let convention sermon notes get into hand of the outsiders. Also in Queensland the State Elder/Bishop stopped phone hookups to allow those unable to go to meetings from listening in!!! "WHY" Because you never know who might listen in!!!I thought that the greatest story of all times was for all to see and hear. No wonder you are known as the secret sect. OH!! Deleted items Christian Conventions of Victoria's "CHARITY" registration was revoked in 2017. They are trying to avoid the class action and the Redress Skeme. Remove the beam first,then you may know why so many of us moved into other fellowships that did not avoid so much scripture,especially Epistle teaching to the Body of Christ(the Church). Magpie.
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Post by Annan on Nov 10, 2020 6:15:53 GMT -5
We were told not to let convention sermon notes get into hand of the outsiders. Also in Queensland the State Elder/Bishop stopped phone hookups to allow those unable to go to meetings from listening in!!! "WHY" Because you never know who might listen in!!!I thought that the greatest story of all times was for all to see and hear. No wonder you are known as the secret sect. OH!! Deleted items Christian Conventions of Victoria's "CHARITY" registration was revoked in 2017. They are trying to avoid the class action and the Redress Skeme. Remove the beam first,then you may know why so many of us moved into other fellowships that did not avoid so much scripture,especially Epistle teaching to the Body of Christ(the Church). Magpie. My parents once saw a man at convention writing furiously. He looked out of place with whatever clothes he was wearing. (I heard this from my parents.) Shortly after, they read the exact same sermon in a magazine called The Plain Truth. Gotta wonder.
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Post by magpies39plus on Nov 19, 2020 16:00:22 GMT -5
Exes??? When you leave as we did to further you christian walk to a more biblical fruitful service/fellowship/ That created the nastiest bitter threatening experience one could ever face. You have just written your ticket to damnation was one reaction,murder?ones eternal life,"IS THERE WORSE. The same as kicking someone out of the 2x2s sect. If you left to in pursuit of a sporting activity or race horses thy would talk to you in the Street. BUT leave to further your christian commitment they cross the streets,or find something interesting in a shop window.... Is that being CHRISTLIKE--NO!! Magpie
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Post by openingact34 on Nov 19, 2020 16:35:05 GMT -5
We were told not to let convention sermon notes get into hand of the outsiders. Also in Queensland the State Elder/Bishop stopped phone hookups to allow those unable to go to meetings from listening in!!! "WHY" Because you never know who might listen in!!!I thought that the greatest story of all times was for all to see and hear. No wonder you are known as the secret sect. OH!! Deleted items Christian Conventions of Victoria's "CHARITY" registration was revoked in 2017. They are trying to avoid the class action and the Redress Skeme. Remove the beam first,then you may know why so many of us moved into other fellowships that did not avoid so much scripture,especially Epistle teaching to the Body of Christ(the Church). Magpie. My parents once saw a man at convention writing furiously. He looked out of place with whatever clothes he was wearing. (I heard this from my parents.) Shortly after, they read the exact same sermon in a magazine called The Plain Truth. Gotta wonder. Have you ever tried to track it down? Would be an interesting piece of history for TTT All of the issues are archived online. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plain_Truth
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