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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 4, 2020 0:32:15 GMT -5
Truth does not always speak loud enough to be heard by human beings. Maybe human beings are hard of hearing. Maybe we hear selectively. Maybe we acquired a prejudice for something less than the truth. Neverthelss we agree truth has the authority of God. ...or maybe some people believe that what they think they hear in their minds as the Truth of God is really nothing more than their own thoughts magnified because of their own prejudice against certain ideas or people that they don't like.
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Post by chuck on Oct 5, 2020 19:38:10 GMT -5
It's a point of fact that sin ravages the vitality of healthy human beings. Not all human problems are material. In fact, the origin of the critical problems our species face are spiritual. That's why I'm not content to suffer the side effects of modern efforts to combat poverty. These efforts have become a kind of racket that have introduced new forms of slavery. Lately an idea was popularized in conjunction with CRT theory that Americans are systemically racist. It was to say if anyone happened to prosper they couldn't help themselves from forming predudices along racial lines. It was to say all human beings were born racist and all you had to do was throw a little competition and prosperity into the mix to draw it out. Well talk about a damming doctrine of mankind! It's no different than what's being said in the OP of this thread about the 2x2, that ‘they’ are constantly telling us we were born hopeless and worthless in our sins. CRT theory that Americans are systemically racist is accurate and is easily shown as true by looking at just one out of many facts.
Critical race theory (CRT), the view that the law and legal institutions are inherently racist and that race itself, instead of being biologically grounded and natural, is a socially constructed concept that is used by white people to further their economic and political interests at the expense of people of color.
www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/...
May 01, 2019 · The racial and ethnic makeup of U.S. prisons continues to look substantially different from the demographics of the country as a whole. In 2017, blacks represented 12% of the U.S. adult population but 33% of the sentenced prison population. Whites accounted for 64% of adults but 30% of prisoners.
The obvious one is that we imprison a lot of people, and among those people we imprison a far bigger share of African Americans than we do of white people
Michelle Alexander’s groundbreaking book, The New Jim Crow argues that America has a long history of controlling the black population by whatever means it can get away with.
First it was slavery.
Later, when that was outlawed, we turned to Jim Crow because it was the best we could do.
Then, following the civil rights era, we turned to mass incarceration.
It wasn’t as effective as either slavery or Jim Crow, but again, it was the best we could do.
The excuse for this is the war on drugs, which led to the arrest and incarceration of vast numbers of black men. Crucially, Alexander says, we arrest black men for drug offenses that we barely touch white men for. We make up lots of reasons for this, but they mostly turn out to be spurious. Basically, even though black and white men are involved in the drug trade about equally, we mostly imprison only black men for violating our drug laws.
Where is the data for this?? "Alexander says, we arrest black men for drug offenses that we barely touch white men for"
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 5, 2020 20:24:44 GMT -5
CRT theory that Americans are systemically racist is accurate and is easily shown as true by looking at just one out of many facts.
Critical race theory (CRT), the view that the law and legal institutions are inherently racist and that race itself, instead of being biologically grounded and natural, is a socially constructed concept that is used by white people to further their economic and political interests at the expense of people of color.
www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/...
May 01, 2019 · The racial and ethnic makeup of U.S. prisons continues to look substantially different from the demographics of the country as a whole. In 2017, blacks represented 12% of the U.S. adult population but 33% of the sentenced prison population. Whites accounted for 64% of adults but 30% of prisoners.
The obvious one is that we imprison a lot of people, and among those people we imprison a far bigger share of African Americans than we do of white people
Michelle Alexander’s groundbreaking book, The New Jim Crow argues that America has a long history of controlling the black population by whatever means it can get away with.
First it was slavery.
Later, when that was outlawed, we turned to Jim Crow because it was the best we could do.
Then, following the civil rights era, we turned to mass incarceration.
It wasn’t as effective as either slavery or Jim Crow, but again, it was the best we could do.
The excuse for this is the war on drugs, which led to the arrest and incarceration of vast numbers of black men. Crucially, Alexander says, we arrest black men for drug offenses that we barely touch white men for. We make up lots of reasons for this, but they mostly turn out to be spurious. Basically, even though black and white men are involved in the drug trade about equally, we mostly imprison only black men for violating our drug laws.
Where is the data for this?? "Alexander says, we arrest black men for drug offenses that we barely touch white men for"
Chuck, didn't you read the source I provided? www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/... Also try:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow Michelle Alexander is a civil rights litigator and legal scholar.
The New Jim Crow The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness is a book by Michelle Alexander, a civil rights litigator and legal scholar.
The book discusses race-related issues specific to African-American males and mass incarceration in the United States, but Alexander noted that the discrimination faced by African-American males is prevalent among other minorities and socio-economically disadvantaged populations.
Alexander's central premise, from which the book derives its title, is that "mass incarceration is, metaphorically, the New Jim Crow".
Chuck, you can also go to this site an will find so much data that you will probably not even want to read it all.
www.bing.com/search?q=black+men+arrested+for+drug+offenses+that+white+men+are+not%3B&cvid=6d2a2039ea61459f80061935509f2884&FORM=ANAB01&PC=U531
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 6, 2020 0:30:16 GMT -5
Where is the data for this?? "Alexander says, we arrest black men for drug offenses that we barely touch white men for"
Chuck, didn't you read the source I provided? www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/... Also try:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow Michelle Alexander is a civil rights litigator and legal scholar.
The New Jim Crow The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness is a book by Michelle Alexander, a civil rights litigator and legal scholar.
The book discusses race-related issues specific to African-American males and mass incarceration in the United States, but Alexander noted that the discrimination faced by African-American males is prevalent among other minorities and socio-economically disadvantaged populations.
Alexander's central premise, from which the book derives its title, is that "mass incarceration is, metaphorically, the New Jim Crow".
Chuck, you can also go to this site an will find so much data that you will probably not even want to read it all.
www.bing.com/search?q=black+men+arrested+for+drug+offenses+that+white+men+are+not%3B&cvid=6d2a2039ea61459f80061935509f2884&FORM=ANAB01&PC=U531
He wasn't good at essay writing in high school.
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Post by Lee on Oct 7, 2020 21:27:52 GMT -5
Truth does not always speak loud enough to be heard by human beings. Maybe human beings are hard of hearing. Maybe we hear selectively. Maybe we acquired a prejudice for something less than the truth. Neverthelss we agree truth has the authority of God. ...or maybe some people believe that what they think they hear in their minds as the Truth of God is really nothing more than their own thoughts magnified because of their own prejudice against certain ideas or people that they don't like. Sounds like you prefer to entertain a tit for tat, metaphysiology
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 9:34:15 GMT -5
Truth does not always speak loud enough to be heard by human beings. Maybe human beings are hard of hearing. Maybe we hear selectively. Maybe we acquired a prejudice for something less than the truth. Neverthelss we agree truth has the authority of God. I think the best way to respond to this is to interpret what is really being suggested here. It suggests that truth does not speak loud enough to be a heard by me but for some inexplicable reason it speaks loud enough to be heard by you. This is another version of the ridiculous 2x2 claim that their workers (for some inexplicable reason) have been specially called by God to go forth to preach the true gospel while other ministers/priests have not. It suggest that maybe I am hard of hearing but that you are not and that the reason I do not hear the voice of God is that I hear selectively. It suggests that I have a prejudice for something less than the truth whereas you have not. However this is nothing more than wishful thinking and there is not a single piece of evidence that supports any of this. I would suggest that the reason you hear the voice of God and I do not has nothing whatsoever to do with the state of anyone’s hearing but rather is due to your God existing solely inside your head but not existing in mine. And what we most certainly do not agree on is that truth has the authority of God. I don’t even think we agree what truth is. Truth is truth and beliefs are beliefs and your God is a product of your religious beliefs rather than anything to do with truth. Truth is universal. It stands up to scrutiny. It doesn’t have to hide in the face of difficulties. Unlike truth your God is not universal. Belief in Him is solely due to a geographical accident of birth. Your God does not stand up to scrutiny at all. And he hides in the face of even the slightest difficulty. Where is God in a coronavirus world? asked professor John Lennox as he desperately tried to answer his own question. Yet nine months on and a million deaths and there is still no sign of Him. This comes as no surprise to those who know the truth about Him. Matt10
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Post by Annan on Oct 9, 2020 9:39:51 GMT -5
Truth does not always speak loud enough to be heard by human beings. Maybe human beings are hard of hearing. Maybe we hear selectively. Maybe we acquired a prejudice for something less than the truth. Neverthelss we agree truth has the authority of God. I think the best way to respond to this is to interpret what is really being suggested here. It suggests that truth does not speak loud enough to be a heard by me but for some inexplicable reason it speaks loud enough to be heard by you. This is another version of the ridiculous 2x2 claim that their workers (for some inexplicable reason) have been specially called by God to go forth to preach the true gospel while other ministers/priests have not. It suggest that maybe I am hard of hearing but that you are not and that the reason I do not hear the voice of God is that I hear selectively. It suggests that I have a prejudice for something less than the truth whereas you have not. However this is nothing more than wishful thinking and there is not a single piece of evidence that supports any of this. I would suggest that the reason you hear the voice of God and I do not has nothing whatsoever to do with the state of anyone’s hearing but rather is due to your God existing solely inside your head but not existing in mine. And what we most certainly do not agree on is that truth has the authority of God. I don’t even think we agree what truth is. Truth is truth and beliefs are beliefs and your God is a product of your religious beliefs rather than anything to do truth. Truth is universal. It stands up to scrutiny. It doesn’t have to hide in the face of difficulties. Unlike truth your God is not universal. Belief in Him is solely due to a geographical accident of birth. Your God does not stand up to scrutiny at all. And he hides in the face of even the slightest difficulty. Where is God in a coronavirus world? asked professor John Lennox as he desperately tries to answer his own question. Yes nine months on and a million deaths and there is still no sign of Him. This comes as no surprise to those who know the truth about Him. Matt10 Excellent! Thank you.
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Post by Lee on Oct 9, 2020 11:30:52 GMT -5
It was not an excellent response.
Corona is about as noxious as the flu. For political reasons fatality statistics are always distorted to include deaths from co-morbidities. It’s not like the truth can’t be known. Our CDC itself has admitted only 10000 Americans have died of corona alone. So like the flu a vaccine will be developed but like the flu, only some people will take it, in part because the flu isnt all that bad for most people and because the flu vaccine isn’t 100 percent effective, perhaps 50 percent.
Truth doesn't have the authority of God? How sad you would make this evil assertion Matt 10. There’s no light at all if the truth doesn’t materially matter to the human journey and condition.
Yes, it is possible you could discern the truth and I couldn’t. I would have to explain or come to terms with the discrepancy. Anything less than endeavoring towards an honest reconciling between these poles must look to spiritual communism where power is worshiped over the light of truth.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 9, 2020 12:37:48 GMT -5
It was not an excellent response. Corona is about as noxious as the flu. For political reasons fatality statistics are always distorted to include deaths from co-morbidities. It’s not like the truth can’t be known. Our CDC itself has admitted only 10000 Americans have died of corona alone. So like the flu a vaccine will be developed but like the flu, only some people will take it, in part because the flu isnt all that bad for most people and because the flu vaccine isn’t 100 percent effective, perhaps 50 percent. Truth doesn't have the authority of God? How sad you would make this evil assertion Matt 10. There’s no light at all if the truth doesn’t materially matter to the human journey and condition. Yes, it is possible you could discern the truth and I couldn’t. I would have to explain or come to terms with the discrepancy. Anything less than endeavoring towards an honest reconciling between these poles must look to spiritual communism where power is worshiped over the light of truth. Lee, -you have no proof at all that "statistics are always distorted to include deaths for political reasons!"
Why is it so difficult for you just accept the truth of something?
Do you think that the 1918 pandemic did NOT happen as recorded?
Or the plague called the Black Death?
Was all of those distorted for political reasons!"
Black Death is widely believed to have been the result of plague, caused by infection with the bacterium Yersinia pestis. Modern genetic analyses indicate that the strain of Y. pestis introduced during the Black Death is ancestral to all extant circulating Y. pestis strains known to cause disease in humans.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 9, 2020 12:44:46 GMT -5
It was not an excellent response. Corona is about as noxious as the flu. For political reasons fatality statistics are always distorted to include deaths from co-morbidities. It’s not like the truth can’t be known. Our CDC itself has admitted only 10000 Americans have died of corona alone. So like the flu a vaccine will be developed but like the flu, only some people will take it, in part because the flu isnt all that bad for most people and because the flu vaccine isn’t 100 percent effective, perhaps 50 percent. Truth doesn't have the authority of God? How sad you would make this evil assertion Matt 10. There’s no light at all if the truth doesn’t materially matter to the human journey and condition. Yes, it is possible you could discern the truth and I couldn’t. I would have to explain or come to terms with the discrepancy. Anything less than endeavoring towards an honest reconciling between these poles must look to spiritual communism where power is worshiped over the light of truth. Lee, show us proof of where the "CDC admitted only 10000 Americans have died of corona alone."
What does it matter that there are "co-morbidities?"
The still would not died except for the covid!
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Post by Lee on Oct 9, 2020 13:12:35 GMT -5
You should be able to look it up. It’s true that more than 10000 deaths have occurred from corona but far less than 200k in America. The cause of death is often a sum of tendencies, liabilities. The critical factor in many corona reported deaths was never corona but something prior. Can you spell HOAX
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 14:27:37 GMT -5
It was not an excellent response. Corona is about as noxious as the flu. For political reasons fatality statistics are always distorted to include deaths from co-morbidities. It’s not like the truth can’t be known. Our CDC itself has admitted only 10000 Americans have died of corona alone. So like the flu a vaccine will be developed but like the flu, only some people will take it, in part because the flu isnt all that bad for most people and because the flu vaccine isn’t 100 percent effective, perhaps 50 percent. Truth doesn't have the authority of God? How sad you would make this evil assertion Matt 10. There’s no light at all if the truth doesn’t materially matter to the human journey and condition. Yes, it is possible you could discern the truth and I couldn’t. I would have to explain or come to terms with the discrepancy. Anything less than endeavoring towards an honest reconciling between these poles must look to spiritual communism where power is worshiped over the light of truth. Once again I am unclear as to what point you are making. My point was that there is absolutely no sign of a loving, caring, all powerful God in a coronavirus world, a fact that led to Professor Lennox’s desperate attempts to explain away his absence. The fact that coronavirus is (or isn’t) as noxious as flu is of no relevance whatsoever when it comes to the absence of the Christian God. It’s not only during the coronavirus pandemic that the Christian God has been absent. He has been continually absent throughout history whether it’s in Auschwitz, during the Spanish flu, the Justinian plague, the smallpox plague of 1775 or the Irish famine. As to the question of how I can make the assertion that truth doesn’t have the authority of your God, that is very simple. The reason is that it doesn’t. Truth is an authority in itself. The Christian God isn’t. And of course you are entitled to your view that my assertion is evil just as I am entitled to my view that it isn’t. Annan is entitled to think that my response was excellent just as you are entitled to your view that it wasnt. These are merely beliefs and opinions. They are not truths. The fact that the Christian God is absent during the coronavirus pandemic is a truth. Any claim that he isn’t is merely a belief or an opinion. One thing we do agree on is that it is possible I could discern the truth about God and you couldn’t, just as it is equally possible that you could discern the truth about God and I couldn’t. The fact is that I have offered credible explanations for the discrepancy whereas you haven’t. Matt10
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 9, 2020 15:14:29 GMT -5
...or maybe some people believe that what they think they hear in their minds as the Truth of God is really nothing more than their own thoughts magnified because of their own prejudice against certain ideas or people that they don't like. Sounds like you prefer to entertain a tit for tat, metaphysiology No, -my post was not really a "tit for tat, metapsychology," -because there is no "equivalent retaliation " behind my answer.
My post was an logical explanation for why some people believe some of the ideas that they have.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 16:46:49 GMT -5
Sounds like you prefer to entertain a tit for tat, metaphysiology No, -my post was not really a "tit for tat, metapsychology," -because there is no "equivalent retaliation " behind my answer.
My post was an logical explanation for why some people believe some of the ideas that they have.Not only was your post a logical explanation, it was the only explanation that stands up to scrutiny. There is no deception like self deception and I say this as one who once misinterpreted the thoughts inside my head as coming from a loving, living, life eternal giving God whereas I realise now they were ..... (wait for it) ..... just some thoughts inside my head. Thoughts that were a direct result of my not insignificant religious conditioning. Has truth ever spoken loud enough to be heard by a Sentinelese tribesman? Are Yanomami Indians hard of hearing? Do the Bono people of west Africa who worship the great goddess Aberewaa have selective hearing? Of course not. Claiming that they do is merely an attempt to explain away the fact that the Christian God is rather less omnipresent than believers believe Him to be and why the immutable voice of their God in so many parts of the world is so inexplicably silent. Matt10
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Post by joanna on Oct 9, 2020 18:31:15 GMT -5
It is despairing that an individual concurrently refutes the facts and evidence regarding the COVID-19 pandemic, yet continues to believe the extraordinary and unevidenced claims of an ancient book. It is also dangerous as these individuals do not tend to respect the recommended health precautions, and are therefore capable of increasing its transmission. The global images portraying the ill and dying in hospital ICU's; the rows of coffins; the real people telling of their experience of being ill with the virus or loved ones having died from it, and the scientific experts' detailed explanations about the virus: the conspiracy theorist performs mind-games to deny all this. "Prof Douglas says conspiracy theories are a way of coping even if it doesn’t actually help. More broadly, research has found that people believe in conspiracy theories when they have unmet psychological needs"Explainer: Conspiracy theories, why now?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 0:01:58 GMT -5
It is despairing that an individual concurrently refutes the facts and evidence regarding the COVID-19 pandemic, yet continues to believe the extraordinary and unevidenced claims of an ancient book. It is also dangerous as these individuals do not tend to respect the recommended health precautions, and are therefore capable of increasing its transmission. The global images portraying the ill and dying in hospital ICU's; the rows of coffins; the real people telling of their experience of being ill with the virus or loved ones having died from it, and the scientific experts' detailed explanations about the virus: the conspiracy theorist performs mind-games to deny all this. "Prof Douglas says conspiracy theories are a way of coping even if it doesn’t actually help. More broadly, research has found that people believe in conspiracy theories when they have unmet psychological needs"Explainer: Conspiracy theories, why now?It is despairing but not surprising. There are those who are capable of being persuaded to believe based on things such as evidence and observation and science and then there are those who are quite simply capable of believing anything. In my experience it tends to be the same people who believe the nutty stuff around Covid-19 who believe in peculiar religious and political ideologies. Whether it is a cry for attention or a cry for help I know not, but what is clear is that the internet has provided a platform for ideas which in the revious century would have had no public platform. If one was to seek to express such views in the columns of a respectable newspaper one would get a swift rejection from the editor. If one was to express such views in a job interview or in an an education establishment one would be labelled a little nutty. Only in religious settings or tucked away in the smokey headquarters of minor political parties with peculiar ideologies could one express such views and not be labelled slightly weird. However the internet has provided a platform for every nut and their nutty idea. Any fool can make a YouTube video on their nutty idea and you can be sure some other fool will find it and embrace it. TMB is an excellent example of where nutty ideas and a susceptibility to believe anything in a YouTube videos are the staple diet. There is rationality and there is irrationality. There are beliefs that are based on scientific evidence and observation and there are beliefs that aren’t. There is truth which is absolute and universal and there are religious truths. There are people who believe what they want to believe irrespective of the evidence to the contrary and there are people who will adapt their beliefs in light of further evidence. I know which type of person I want designing and building my plane. Matt10
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 10, 2020 1:41:54 GMT -5
It is despairing that an individual concurrently refutes the facts and evidence regarding the COVID-19 pandemic, yet continues to believe the extraordinary and unevidenced claims of an ancient book. It is also dangerous as these individuals do not tend to respect the recommended health precautions, and are therefore capable of increasing its transmission. The global images portraying the ill and dying in hospital ICU's; the rows of coffins; the real people telling of their experience of being ill with the virus or loved ones having died from it, and the scientific experts' detailed explanations about the virus: the conspiracy theorist performs mind-games to deny all this. "Prof Douglas says conspiracy theories are a way of coping even if it doesn’t actually help. More broadly, research has found that people believe in conspiracy theories when they have unmet psychological needs"Explainer: Conspiracy theories, why now? Thanks for that, joanna. Very interesting.
Especially the part about "need for people to feel safe and secure in their environment" and to have control over their environment & it is when they feel they lack that control they turn to conspiracy theories.
I believe that it is much like why religion exists, -it is the need to feel there is "something" in control over why things happen even if we can't see it that caused humanity to create the stories of supernatural entities.
To think that when there seems to be NO rhyme or reason* for something happening that it is one of the scariest things to happen to us. We immediately begin to try to make sense of it. "Why did THAT happen?"
*no rhyme or reason No particular logic, sense, method, or meaning to a given situation, action, person, thing, group, etc. An absence of common sense or reasonableness If there is no rhyme or reason or no rhyme nor reason for something, -there seems to be no logical or obvious explanation for it.
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Post by Lee on Oct 10, 2020 10:29:57 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Oct 10, 2020 10:38:44 GMT -5
It was not an excellent response. Corona is about as noxious as the flu. For political reasons fatality statistics are always distorted to include deaths from co-morbidities. It’s not like the truth can’t be known. Our CDC itself has admitted only 10000 Americans have died of corona alone. So like the flu a vaccine will be developed but like the flu, only some people will take it, in part because the flu isnt all that bad for most people and because the flu vaccine isn’t 100 percent effective, perhaps 50 percent. Truth doesn't have the authority of God? How sad you would make this evil assertion Matt 10. There’s no light at all if the truth doesn’t materially matter to the human journey and condition. Yes, it is possible you could discern the truth and I couldn’t. I would have to explain or come to terms with the discrepancy. Anything less than endeavoring towards an honest reconciling between these poles must look to spiritual communism where power is worshiped over the light of truth. Once again I am unclear as to what point you are making. My point was that there is absolutely no sign of a loving, caring, all powerful God in a coronavirus world, a fact that led to Professor Lennox’s desperate attempts to explain away his absence. The fact that coronavirus is (or isn’t) as noxious as flu is of no relevance whatsoever when it comes to the absence of the Christian God. It’s not only during the coronavirus pandemic that the Christian God has been absent. He has been continually absent throughout history whether it’s in Auschwitz, during the Spanish flu, the Justinian plague, the smallpox plague of 1775 or the Irish famine. As to the question of how I can make the assertion that truth doesn’t have the authority of your God, that is very simple. The reason is that it doesn’t. Truth is an authority in itself. The Christian God isn’t. And of course you are entitled to your view that my assertion is evil just as I am entitled to my view that it isn’t. Annan is entitled to think that my response was excellent just as you are entitled to your view that it wasnt. These are merely beliefs and opinions. They are not truths. The fact that the Christian God is absent during the coronavirus pandemic is a truth. Any claim that he isn’t is merely a belief or an opinion. One thing we do agree on is that it is possible I could discern the truth about God and you couldn’t, just as it is equally possible that you could discern the truth about God and I couldn’t. The fact is that I have offered credible explanations for the discrepancy whereas you haven’t. Matt10 Suffering is not a proof or disproof of the existence of God. Moreover Christianity has never said its citizens would be free of suffering. What is does offer is a satisfying interpretation of it, namely that suffering is the result of sin. Of course there is the dangerous creation we have to negotiate, which may not have a direct human cause. How we respond to life itself, whether we can find meaning and joy in our lives inspite of suffering is an indication of how well we are contending victoriously over sin. Or maybe the creation has a direct human cause. Christ created all things and presented as man and God.
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Post by Lee on Oct 10, 2020 10:42:58 GMT -5
Sounds like you prefer to entertain a tit for tat, metaphysiology No, -my post was not really a "tit for tat, metapsychology," -because there is no "equivalent retaliation " behind my answer.
My post was an logical explanation for why some people believe some of the ideas that they have.Except in your case you believe all inspiration of God isnt from God, which is an opinion. I thought I had laid down an axiom we could agree on, that truth has the authority of God.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 10, 2020 15:20:39 GMT -5
What is that link about?
All it brought up for me was an ad to subscribe to the Wall Street Journal.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 10, 2020 15:38:25 GMT -5
Once again I am unclear as to what point you are making. My point was that there is absolutely no sign of a loving, caring, all powerful God in a coronavirus world, a fact that led to Professor Lennox’s desperate attempts to explain away his absence. The fact that coronavirus is (or isn’t) as noxious as flu is of no relevance whatsoever when it comes to the absence of the Christian God. It’s not only during the coronavirus pandemic that the Christian God has been absent. He has been continually absent throughout history whether it’s in Auschwitz, during the Spanish flu, the Justinian plague, the smallpox plague of 1775 or the Irish famine. As to the question of how I can make the assertion that truth doesn’t have the authority of your God, that is very simple. The reason is that it doesn’t. Truth is an authority in itself. The Christian God isn’t. And of course you are entitled to your view that my assertion is evil just as I am entitled to my view that it isn’t. Annan is entitled to think that my response was excellent just as you are entitled to your view that it wasnt. These are merely beliefs and opinions. They are not truths. The fact that the Christian God is absent during the coronavirus pandemic is a truth. Any claim that he isn’t is merely a belief or an opinion. One thing we do agree on is that it is possible I could discern the truth about God and you couldn’t, just as it is equally possible that you could discern the truth about God and I couldn’t. The fact is that I have offered credible explanations for the discrepancy whereas you haven’t. Matt10 Suffering is not a proof or disproof of the existence of God. Moreover Christianity has never said its citizens would be free of suffering. What is does offer is a satisfying interpretation of it, namely that suffering is the result of sin. Of course there is the dangerous creation we have to negotiate, which may not have a direct human cause. How we respond to life itself, whether we can find meaning and joy in our lives in spite of suffering is an indication of how well we are contending victoriously over sin. Or maybe the creation has a direct human cause. Christ created all things and presented as man and God. All of what you just said only indicates mankind's desire to keep their god but to also give him an out when he doesn't deliver.
It gives "god" an excuse by blaming mankind itself for their problems by "how well we(they) are contending victoriously over sin."
Interesting how such a notion always ends up controlling mankind by blaming mankind while at the same time giving "god" an excuse.
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Post by Lee on Oct 10, 2020 18:29:38 GMT -5
That goes with the territory of being the clay and not the potter. Don’t you want to grow? Or do you hate growth.
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Post by Lee on Oct 10, 2020 18:33:45 GMT -5
What is that link about?
All it brought up for me was an ad to subscribe to the Wall Street Journal. Try this link gbdeclaration.org/
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 10, 2020 19:48:43 GMT -5
That goes with the territory of being the clay and not the potter. Don’t you want to grow? Or do you hate growth. Grow? H Do you believe that a piece of clay "grows?"
Have you really grown any yourself?
Might it not rather be that instead your "growing" that you are really just stuck in the OT creation story of being created from clay?
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 10, 2020 20:46:38 GMT -5
Oct 10, 2020 10:29:57 GMT -5 Lee said:
You could write horror stories and show dead bodies piled up from the flu if that’s what you focused on. Here’s a sane link to sane commentary on the virus that’s not politically loaded in a diabolical way.
www.wsj.com/articles/why-wont-the-media-listen-to-these-scientists-11602013456?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_4&cx_artPos=3#cxrecs_s
What is that link about?
All it brought up for me was an ad to subscribe to the Wall Street Journal. Try this link
gbdeclaration.org/ Thanks, Lee. Here is the name of the group & their proposal.
gbdeclaration.orgGreat Barrington Declaration - As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection. More about the group here: From Wikipedia,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration <excerpts>The Great Barrington Declaration is a proposal, written and signed at the American Institute for Economic Research in Great Barrington, Massachusetts on 4 October 2020 addressing the response to the COVID-19 epidemic. he declaration advocates an approach the authors refer to as focused protection, based on statistical levels of risk, as opposed to blanket lockdowns.
It asserts that such restrictions have attendant adverse affects on public physical and mental health, manifesting an especial burden for the underprivileged, and that the focus should instead be on "shielding" those most at risk, with fewer restrictions placed on the remainder of the population in order to "reduce the herd immunity threshold."
Does sound OK on the surface doesn't it? However, here are these responses.
R esponses to the proposal:
Doubts have been expressed as to whether the posited accelerated arrival at herd immumnity is a possibility, together with claims that the approach paid insufficient attention to the potential effects of so-called "Long Covid".[6]
Concerns about the declaration have been issued on behalf of the British Academy of Medical Sciences by its president, Robert Lechler. Martin McKee, professor of European public health at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, compared the declaration to "the messaging used to undermine public health policies on harmful substances, such as tobacco".
Harvard University professor of epidemiology William Hanage criticized the logic of the declaration's signatories "After pointing out, correctly, the indirect damage caused by the pandemic, they respond that the answer is to increase the direct damage caused by it" and attacked the feasibility of the idea of "Focused Protection" for those vulnerable to severe infection, saying that "stating that you can keep the virus out of places by testing at a time when the White House has an apparently ongoing outbreak should illustrate how likely that is".
Hanage cautioned that uncontrolled infections among the young run the risk of long-term medical effects of the disease.
Gregg Gonsalves, epidemiologist at Yale University described the strategy proposed by the declaration as "culling the herd of the sick and disabled" calling it "grotesque". continue @ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration
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Post by Lee on Oct 10, 2020 20:52:23 GMT -5
Everything, health included works in tendencies. So the creepy devil can say we need to lock down for the next 100 years, after all, this thing could mutate into something worse and kill us all.
You need to realize that creepy devil people are behind this new approach to medicine for political reasons. They may have even invented the virus and released it.
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