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Post by mountain on Oct 1, 2020 13:48:14 GMT -5
Nathan, Stop supporting Protestant false teachings. 1 John 3 8 'He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.' Remember your argument is with scripture, NOT with Curly or myself! *** Ram, You missed interpreted or misapply the scriptures. How many sins do you think that you committed in a day against God and other without KNOWING it? Peter asked Jesus HOW many times should he forgives his brothers? Jesus said NOT 70 times a day but 70x7= 490 times a day! God is willing to forgive us unlimited NOT just 490 times a day. Like I said we sins daily so many times when we confess to Jesus then God the Father forgives us through the power cleansing blood of the Lamb of God. Christ is our attorney between us and God the Father, he sits at His right hand pleading about our cases/sins to be forgiven and forgotten. Ram, you need to read I John 3:6-9 in NIV translation in our days language it has written in a way make more sense, instead of KJV the 16th century English language sometimes can be confusing. Nathan, Do you mean this 1 John 3 from the NIV? 4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.Kind of says the same thing wouldn't you agree?
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Post by nathan on Oct 1, 2020 14:54:00 GMT -5
*** Ram, You missed interpreted or misapply the scriptures. How many sins do you think that you committed in a day against God and other without KNOWING it? Peter asked Jesus HOW many times should he forgives his brothers? Jesus said NOT 70 times a day but 70x7= 490 times a day! God is willing to forgive us unlimited NOT just 490 times a day. Like I said we sins daily so many times when we confess to Jesus then God the Father forgives us through the power cleansing blood of the Lamb of God. Christ is our attorney between us and God the Father, he sits at His right hand pleading about our cases/sins to be forgiven and forgotten. Ram, you need to read I John 3:6-9 in NIV translation in our days language it has written in a way make more sense, instead of KJV the 16th century English language sometimes can be confusing. Nathan, Do you mean this 1 John 3 from the NIV? 4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.Kind of says the same thing wouldn't you agree? ** No, we are as believers in Christ we sins daily! and continue to do so as long we live in this earth vessels. Therefore, when we confess our sins to God then Jesus blood will cover all of our sins. It doesn't mean God gives us license to sins, but when we stumble, falls and come short, He will forgives our sins daily. According to your thinking and interpretation of those verses that person belongs to Satan or Not of God. John wrote that we have Jesus as our attorney and HE pleads for the forgiveness of our sins so, we can be pure and white as snow.
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Post by Dan on Oct 1, 2020 16:09:17 GMT -5
I personally believe the Holy Spirit permeates the earth, every soul has an unction from the HS seared on their consciousness which gives them an inherited sense of right & wrong, e.g; We all know that murder & theft are wrong.. No one has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit until they hear the gospel and accept Christ, but we all have that initial calling.
"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all" (Colossians 3:11)
"One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all" (Ephesians 4:6)
Only believers are sealed with the HS, "After that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" (Ephesians 1:13), but that small voice calls everyone, which is why we are all without excuse.
Remember, John the Baptist was filled with the Spirit in his mother's womb, he didn't pray for it nor did he know the gospel yet. God is at work in all humanity. He was the Last Adam, the end of the Adamic race as it was. He was raised as the Christ, and as the Son of Man Jesus represented the entirety of the human race within himself. That is an objective fact that our belief simply acknowledges. Belief doesn't make it true, we believe it because it is already true.
I’m not interested in what you personally believe. I’m interested in getting answers to these questions. They aren’t difficult questions. I’ve even numbered them to make them easier to respond to. Matt10
I thought I did indirectly answer 3 or 4 of those questions, even though they were directed to Lee... Nevertheless;
1. Do you do believe that this ‘immutable voice‘ which you refer to is the Holy Spirit and, if so, do you believe everyone is possessed by the Holy Spirit whether they are a Christian or not? Yes, I believe in the HS, but as stated, I don't think everyone is fully possessed by it, only that it speaks to everyone's conscience.
2. Are you claiming that non believers have an ‘immutable voice‘ that is within them that is NOT the Holy Spirit and that there are in fact 2 different ‘immutable voices‘ - one for Christians (the Holy Spirit) and one for non believers? In which case how do these 2 ‘immutable voices‘ differ? Only one HS, but I believe there are other (evil) spirits that transcend the earth too.
3. If you are claiming you have some ‘immutable voice’ within you that tells you what is right and what is wrong then can you explain why Christians have to rely so heavily on the bible as a guide to what is right and wrong? Does that mean your ‘immutable voice’ is deficient and cannot be relied upon? The bible supplies the details, but God's laws are written in the hearts of believers.. "I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them" (Hebrews 10:6). Its sad, but God needed to write down "Thou shalt not murder", I reckon its a necessary formality to make violations of the law official and apparent. It also prevents people from putting their own spin on things.
4. Can you tell me what this ‘immutable voice‘ within you has taught you in relation to (a) killing, (b) sex and (c) the nature of God? Murder is wrong, sex is between a man & wife (heterosexual only), the characteristics of God is that all righteousness resides in Him. God is Spirit, God is love, forgiving, merciful, omnipotent, omniscient, & everlasting.
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Post by Annan on Oct 1, 2020 16:38:39 GMT -5
** That is MY own experience NO LIE! For me. Many believers are in the same boat as others are NOT so fortunate they must take their medication to function normally. The believers KNOW they have inner peace inspire of their weak bodies they have to put up with just for a few short years then eternity no more pains, sufferings and death. I didn't give you my permission to post my full name, This your warning, you will be banned from posting on TMB, if you continue to post my full name. This is against the Admn. Rule. I will present this post to the Administrator that I had warn you before and you keep on doing it again. *** I thought your REAL name was the one I have in my file on you that begins with an A. Is that not so?
You claim that was your REAL name when it was posted. Which is your REAL name? You tell so many lies that I can't keep things straight.
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Post by nathan on Oct 1, 2020 17:16:50 GMT -5
*** I thought your REAL name was the one I have in my file on you that begins with an A. Is that not so?
You claim that was your REAL name when it was posted. Which is your REAL name? You tell so many lies that I can't keep things straight. ** YOU, don't post either names Without my permission on TMB. DONT LIE, your nose is growing longer and longer every day. This is your final warning. If you don't believe me, post it one more time on either one and see what will happen to you.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 1, 2020 18:50:28 GMT -5
*** No need for clarification, Nathan dear. You said very clearly that confession sets us free from depression. Do you not remember?
"Confessing of your sins, faults before others and God are good for the souls, it brings peace to body and souls and it sets us free from guilt, regrets, depression and so on." ~ Nathan BarkerOr is this another of your lies? ** That is MY own experience NO LIE! For me. Many believers are in the same boat as others are NOT so fortunate they must take their medication to function normally. The believers KNOW they have inner peace inspire of their weak bodies they have to put up with just for a few short years then eternity no more pains, sufferings and death. I didn't give you my permission to post my full name, This your warning, you will be banned from posting on TMB, if you continue to post my full name. This is against the Admn. Rule. Your experiences aren't necessarily to be considered the norm.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 1, 2020 18:53:00 GMT -5
*** I thought your REAL name was the one I have in my file on you that begins with an A. Is that not so?
You claim that was your REAL name when it was posted. Which is your REAL name? You tell so many lies that I can't keep things straight. ** YOU, don't post either names Without my permission on TMB. DONT LIE, your nose is growing longer and longer every day. This is your final warning. If you don't believe me, post it one more time on either one and see what will happen to you. What are you going to do to her?
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Post by Annan on Oct 1, 2020 20:10:53 GMT -5
** YOU, don't post either names Without my permission on TMB. DONT LIE, your nose is growing longer and longer every day. This is your final warning. If you don't believe me, post it one more time on either one and see what will happen to you. What are you going to do to her? Maybe he'll hex me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 20:38:58 GMT -5
Our Daughter dumped two Dachshunds on us, to care for, because she is not home much because of her work. One is a real Barker her name is Ruby Barker. We have tried everything to try to get her to stop, she would bark at her own shadow.. We saw this add and tried one of these without success.
It’s time you try BarxBuddy, the fast and effective way to train your dog. BarxBuddy uses harmless ultrasonic sound to grab your dog’s attention and calm them down quickly. Whether your dog is barking, jumping, chewing, or digging, BarxBuddy puts a stop to problem behaviors, fast.
Seeing we are not using the BarxBuddy wondering if it would stop another Barker that barks too much.
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Post by nathan on Oct 1, 2020 21:25:46 GMT -5
** That is MY own experience NO LIE! For me. Many believers are in the same boat as others are NOT so fortunate they must take their medication to function normally. The believers KNOW they have inner peace inspire of their weak bodies they have to put up with just for a few short years then eternity no more pains, sufferings and death. I didn't give you my permission to post my full name, This your warning, you will be banned from posting on TMB, if you continue to post my full name. This is against the Admn. Rule. Your experiences aren't necessarily to be considered the norm. ** But is the Truth.
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Post by nathan on Oct 1, 2020 21:27:05 GMT -5
Our Daughter dumped two Dachshunds on us, to care for, because she is not home much because of her work. One is a real Barker her name is Ruby Barker. We have tried everything to try to get her to stop, she would bark at her own shadow.. We saw this add and tried one of these without success. It’s time you try BarxBuddy, the fast and effective way to train your dog. BarxBuddy uses harmless ultrasonic sound to grab your dog’s attention and calm them down quickly. Whether your dog is barking, jumping, chewing, or digging, BarxBuddy puts a stop to problem behaviors, fast. Seeing we are not using the BarxBuddy wondering if it would stop another Barker that barks too much. ** You are getting too OLD for BARKING on the WRONG tree.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 22:01:31 GMT -5
Yes Nathan I am a confirmed "Old Bastard" have a badge to prove it. Just a correction, you don't bark ON a wrong tree, you bark UP a wrong tree. You pee ON a wrong tree. So get it right, don't be barking when you should be peeing, or peeing when you should be barking.
It’s time you try BarxBuddy, the fast and effective way to train you. BarxBuddy uses harmless ultrasonic sound to grab your attention and calm you down quickly. Whether you are barking,copying and pasting, raving on, Bible bashing, BarxBuddy puts a stop to your problem behaviors, fast.
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Post by nathan on Oct 1, 2020 22:22:02 GMT -5
Yes Nathan I am a confirmed "Old Bastard" have a badge to prove it. Just a correction, you don't bark ON a wrong tree, you bark UP a wrong tree. You pee ON a wrong tree. So get it right, don't be barking when you should be peeing, or peeing when you should be barking. It’s time you try BarxBuddy, the fast and effective way to train you. BarxBuddy uses harmless ultrasonic sound to grab your attention and calm you down quickly. Whether you are barking,copying and pasting, raving on, Bible bashing, BarxBuddy puts a stop to your problem behaviors, fast. ** You need to go and LIE down or you will have heart attack for BARKING too much at your old age.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 22:26:30 GMT -5
No I am going to have another Guinness, better for you.
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Post by nathan on Oct 1, 2020 22:27:22 GMT -5
What are you going to do to her? Maybe he'll hex me. ** No, you will hear from the Admn. soon.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 2, 2020 0:17:01 GMT -5
Maybe he'll hex me. ** No, you will hear from the Admn. soon.
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Post by Lee on Oct 3, 2020 10:56:21 GMT -5
Why do atheists talk about the concept of reciprocity then, if treating others like you would want to be treated weren't something that could be conceived by all? My position is you couldn't begin to talk of such a consensus even if it were arrived at by utility, if the very idea of benevolent behavior and relationship weren't something roughly conceivable by all in the first place. And that requires the presence or manifestation of an immutable voice within every psyche. No people do disagree at points. But it's my belief the foundation of civilization consists of essentials good intentioned people will agree on. Once again I struggle to understand what you are talking about. I’m curious as to why you do not communicate your views in a simple straight forward manner using language which most people can understand. There are a lot of simple folk here like me. If you are claiming that the same ‘immutable voice‘ is within each one of us guiding us then you certainly aren’t providing any evidence of it. Nor do you explain how that fits with different people having different views on almost everything whether it is killing, sex or the nature of God. Nor does it address my point about there being no evidence whatsoever of the existence of the Holy Spirit which, as a Christian, I assume you believe that ‘immutable voice‘ to be. I therefore have some questions for you which I am going to number in order to help me understand which of my points you are responding to. I’d be grateful if you would use the same numbering in your response, 1. Do you do believe that this ‘immutable voice‘ which you refer to is the Holy Spirit and, if so, do you believe everyone is possessed by the Holy Spirit whether they are a Christian or not? 2. Are you claiming that non believers have an ‘immutable voice‘ that is within them that is NOT the Holy Spirit and that there are in fact 2 different ‘immutable voices‘ - one for Christians (the Holy Spirit) and one for non believers? In which case how do these 2 ‘immutable voices‘ differ? 3. If you are claiming you have some ‘immutable voice’ within you that tells you what is right and what is wrong then can you explain why Christians have to rely so heavily on the bible as a guide to what is right and wrong? Does that mean your ‘immutable voice’ is deficient and cannot be relied upon? 4. Can you tell me what this ‘immutable voice‘ within you has taught you in relation to (a) killing, (b) sex and (c) the nature of God? Matt10 What Dan said.
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Post by Lee on Oct 3, 2020 10:57:58 GMT -5
I personally believe the Holy Spirit permeates the earth, every soul has an unction from the HS seared on their consciousness which gives them an inherited sense of right & wrong, e.g; We all know that murder & theft are wrong.. No one has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit until they hear the gospel and accept Christ, but we all have that initial calling.
"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all" (Colossians 3:11)
"One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all" (Ephesians 4:6) Only believers are sealed with the HS, "After that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" (Ephesians 1:13), but that small voice calls everyone, which is why we are all without excuse. Remember, John the Baptist was filled with the Spirit in his mother's womb, he didn't pray for it nor did he know the gospel yet. God is at work in all humanity. He was the Last Adam, the end of the Adamic race as it was. He was raised as the Christ, and as the Son of Man Jesus represented the entirety of the human race within himself. That is an objective fact that our belief simply acknowledges. Belief doesn't make it true, we believe it because it is already true.
You're using the 2x2 definition of the word "unction". Dan interprets the HS by God first, not feelings.
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Post by Lee on Oct 3, 2020 11:04:06 GMT -5
By applying a single metric to the interpretation of jail stats, we might also “prove” America is misandrist. Should we indoctrinate little Americans to the effect their culture is misandrist and needs to go? If we tell little kids that their parents and parent culture is racist and sexist, do you believe this is a progressive and habilitating way to raise children? Baloney, Lee. Just another excuse.
You are exaggerating and using the straw man fallacy. We don't have to "tell little kids that their parents and parent culture is racist and sexist."
What we do instead of "telling" our children we teach the children by "example," -by NOT acting in a racist and sexist manner ourselves and denouncing racism and sexism when they see it happening by other people's actions, attitudes or language etc.
We also just don't feed them the children a diet of fairy tales to start with and we work for social policies that benefit everyone and not just the people that look like us!Systemic racism charges that you as a white woman (I assume) perpetuates systemic racism when she chooses a safe neighborhood which statistically speaking will be disproportionately white. It says that you will disproportionately call the police on black people when your home is robbed or your safety is threatened. In essence, every white person who behaves conventionally is feeding the bear, the bear being a racial mold or subtext underlying our society that is supposed by leftist geniuses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 12:53:51 GMT -5
Once again I struggle to understand what you are talking about. I’m curious as to why you do not communicate your views in a simple straight forward manner using language which most people can understand. There are a lot of simple folk here like me. If you are claiming that the same ‘immutable voice‘ is within each one of us guiding us then you certainly aren’t providing any evidence of it. Nor do you explain how that fits with different people having different views on almost everything whether it is killing, sex or the nature of God. Nor does it address my point about there being no evidence whatsoever of the existence of the Holy Spirit which, as a Christian, I assume you believe that ‘immutable voice‘ to be. I therefore have some questions for you which I am going to number in order to help me understand which of my points you are responding to. I’d be grateful if you would use the same numbering in your response, 1. Do you do believe that this ‘immutable voice‘ which you refer to is the Holy Spirit and, if so, do you believe everyone is possessed by the Holy Spirit whether they are a Christian or not? 2. Are you claiming that non believers have an ‘immutable voice‘ that is within them that is NOT the Holy Spirit and that there are in fact 2 different ‘immutable voices‘ - one for Christians (the Holy Spirit) and one for non believers? In which case how do these 2 ‘immutable voices‘ differ? 3. If you are claiming you have some ‘immutable voice’ within you that tells you what is right and what is wrong then can you explain why Christians have to rely so heavily on the bible as a guide to what is right and wrong? Does that mean your ‘immutable voice’ is deficient and cannot be relied upon? 4. Can you tell me what this ‘immutable voice‘ within you has taught you in relation to (a) killing, (b) sex and (c) the nature of God? Matt10 What Dan said. The ‘immutable voice’ is mute. No surprise there. Matt10
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Post by Lee on Oct 3, 2020 13:06:15 GMT -5
It’s not. The reason the BIble is believed on is that humankind had/has some manner of receptivity to it. Atheist Thomas Paine said aptly the Bible might as well be read to a horse as well as a man if reason and rationality weren’t involved in its comprehension.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 13:45:03 GMT -5
It’s not. The reason the BIble is believed on is that humankind had/has some manner of receptivity to it. Atheist Thomas Paine said aptly the Bible might as well be read to a horse as well as a man if reason and rationality weren’t involved in its comprehension. It is. It’s mute. Silent. Dumbstruck. Tight lipped. At a loss for words. Rather like a 2x2 worker to whom awkward questions are put. Whereas the fool can’t answer questions, the religious believer daren’t. Matt10
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Post by Lee on Oct 3, 2020 13:49:51 GMT -5
You have an interesting case of disaffection you sort of enjoy. I think it’s like a wound you scratch every time it gets about to healing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 16:31:59 GMT -5
You have an interesting case of disaffection you sort of enjoy. I think it’s like a wound you scratch every time it gets about to healing. It is not a question of enjoyment. It is a question of truth. Truth stands up to scrutiny whereas religious beliefs do not. It matters not whose religious beliefs they are, whether they be those of an ex 2x2 or those of a 2x2 worker. It’s merely the same product in a different coloured wrapper. The truth speaker offers us answers and explanations. The religious believer offers us their religious beliefs and then silence in the face of awkward questions. If the continued proclamation of religious beliefs as truth here is a wound, of course I will continue to scratch it. Whether it is healed or not. The real immutable voice here is that of truth and unlike the Holy Spirit it will never be mute. Matt10
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 3, 2020 17:25:19 GMT -5
You have an interesting case of disaffection you sort of enjoy. I think it’s like a wound you scratch every time it gets about to healing. It is not a question of enjoyment. It is a question of truth. Truth stands up to scrutiny whereas religious beliefs do not. It matters not whose religious beliefs they are, whether they be those of an ex 2x2 or those of a 2x2 worker. It’s merely the same product in a different coloured wrapper. The truth speaker offers us answers and explanations. The religious believer offers us their religious beliefs and then silence in the face of awkward questions. If the continued proclamation of religious beliefs as truth here is a wound, of course I will continue to scratch it. Whether it is healed or not. The real immutable voice here is that of truth and unlike the Holy Spirit it will never be mute. Matt10 People should learn not to keep exposing their wounds to irritations.
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Post by Lee on Oct 3, 2020 17:43:27 GMT -5
You have an interesting case of disaffection you sort of enjoy. I think it’s like a wound you scratch every time it gets about to healing. It is not a question of enjoyment. It is a question of truth. Truth stands up to scrutiny whereas religious beliefs do not. It matters not whose religious beliefs they are, whether they be those of an ex 2x2 or those of a 2x2 worker. It’s merely the same product in a different coloured wrapper. The truth speaker offers us answers and explanations. The religious believer offers us their religious beliefs and then silence in the face of awkward questions. If the continued proclamation of religious beliefs as truth here is a wound, of course I will continue to scratch it. Whether it is healed or not. The real immutable voice here is that of truth and unlike the Holy Spirit it will never be mute. Matt10 You're invoking an idea of truth that is consistent with the qualities Christians reckon of the holy spirit: alive, transcendent, and immutable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 22:51:53 GMT -5
It is not a question of enjoyment. It is a question of truth. Truth stands up to scrutiny whereas religious beliefs do not. It matters not whose religious beliefs they are, whether they be those of an ex 2x2 or those of a 2x2 worker. It’s merely the same product in a different coloured wrapper. The truth speaker offers us answers and explanations. The religious believer offers us their religious beliefs and then silence in the face of awkward questions. If the continued proclamation of religious beliefs as truth here is a wound, of course I will continue to scratch it. Whether it is healed or not. The real immutable voice here is that of truth and unlike the Holy Spirit it will never be mute. Matt10 You're invoking an idea of truth that is consistent with the qualities Christians reckon of the holy spirit: alive, transcendent, and immutable. The Christian idea of the Holy Spirit is a flawed one. It is certainly not consistent with truth. Truth stands up to scrutiny. The Christian idea of the Holy Spirit doesn’t (as you have demonstrated). Unlike the Christian idea of the Holy Spirit, truth doesn’t hide in the face of awkward questions. Unlike the Christian idea of the Holy Spirit truth is not mute. Unlike the Christian idea of the Holy Spirit truth is consistent. Unlike the Christian idea of Holy Spirit truth is universal. Unlike the Christian idea of Holy Spirit evidence for the existence of truth is not dependent on an ancient book. The Christian idea of the Holy Spirit is of a Holy Spirit that has been demonstrated to be no more alive than the Christian God or Jesus himself. Matt10
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Post by Lee on Oct 3, 2020 23:40:21 GMT -5
Truth does not always speak loud enough to be heard by human beings. Maybe human beings are hard of hearing. Maybe we hear selectively. Maybe we acquired a prejudice for something less than the truth. Neverthelss we agree truth has the authority of God.
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