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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 4:33:10 GMT -5
How do hormones play a role in the development of prostate cancer? Men who eat a lot of fat, especially from meat and other animal sources, are more likely to get advanced prostate cancer. Fats trigger the body to make more testosterone and other hormones, and testosterone acts to speed the growth of prostate cancer.
So too much fat is the problem, not hormones. So Men don't have too many fats.
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Post by ellie on Sept 23, 2020 6:31:15 GMT -5
fred. Humans can be their 'own worst enemy'. An innate resistance to change, by digging our feet into sinking soil, is undermining environmental progress. Animal agriculture's impact on climate change"Animal agriculture is the second largest contributor to human-made greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions after fossil fuels and is a leading cause of deforestation, water and air pollution and biodiversity loss". I am puzzled by your mention of being ignorant given leading scientists are repeatedly emphasising the damage inflicted by animal agriculture on the climate. The amazing thing is that a plant-based/vegan diet has so many positive benefits in addition to reducing climate damage. The human psychology which validates the breeding, rearing and slaughter of sentient beings is one which undermines the very essence of our society. To condone and consume these beings means we are ignoring the suffering of the vulnerable because they cannot protect themselves. This attitude is the same one which causes people to ignore the rights of intellectually disabled humans; little children and others who lack a voice and who cannot protect themselves. Abuse and neglect of the vulnerable are tragically endemic in our societies. Your reference "using animals in a holistic manner" negates the true meaning of holism. Definition of Holism. the theory that parts of a whole are in intimate interconnection, such that they cannot exist independently of the whole, or cannot be understood without reference to the whole, which is thus regarded as greater than the sum of its parts. Holism is often applied to mental states, language, and ecology.Validating the 'use of animals' interconnects with how we treat the vulnerable. An holistic approach to living encompasses compassion; kindness and empathy for the vulnerable of all species. There is no denial that other animals experience fear; pain and grief. And just like us, they experience suffering. Sentience is the key here. And other animals are sentient beings. I consider myself on the level with these beings and that I have no right to regard them as nothing more than commodities that are fit for consumption. When I came to this realisation, it did not conform to the Christian belief system that I was connected to, ...have previously mentioned that a 2x2 worker admonished me saying similar to what jetmech wrote above, that 'god made animals for humans to eat'. The bible was penned by men for men. It is a book framed by patriarchy and subordination of the vulnerable. The bible promotes cruelty on many levels. I had no clue about how giving up meat would impact health. So the other amazing thing was to learn that a balanced plant-based diet is healthier than consuming meats and dairy etc There are even selfish reasons for adopting this lifestyle given the benefits. I hope this is not all coming ax as preachy - as that would be pretty ironic - but honestly the risks of suffering health issues that are linked to animal products, including breast; prostate and bowel cancers; gallstones; cardiac disease; obesity and diabetes are reduced. This site also has some great recipes Top 10 Reasons How many people reading this have tried FRESH SIDE? Fresh side looks exactly like bacon; but; it has absolutely no preservatives in it whatsoever, no artificial flavorings such as smoke flavor. It is fresh from a hog, and remember pork is really the other white meat. I would challenge anyone who reads this to find some butcher shops online. Call them and see if they sell FRESH SIDE. Buy a half lb or so, ask the butcherer to slice it as thin as possible. When you fry it ... fry it until it's nice and crisp like bacon. Add a little sea salt and enjoy. It is VERY delicious. We used to eat fresh side on the farm.Sometimes my mom would put a fresh side sandwich in out lunch bags, with 3 or 4 strips of fresh side, tomato slice, lettuce, and mayo on white bread. It would give us enough energy to work all day on the farm. Believe me ... if you've never heard of fresh side you'll be glad you tried it. It sounds like pork belly.
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Post by ellie on Sept 23, 2020 6:56:07 GMT -5
A few years ago we had a chap who lived quite close by, and he was a long distance runner and rider. He competed in Ironman competitions. He had married a woman who had an extremely strong and persuasive character, and she became a Vegan. Soon, he had no choice but to become one and a Pastry crumb in the car gave his penchant away for the odd sneaky meat pie! His wife was a Nurse, so she lauded it over him with medical knowledge. He was an planning engineer and no slouch himself. Curly will understand this. Quite often he would ride from our town to Awakino and return, and then swim in the Harbour. No mean feat. One day he collapsed and the Rescue Helicopter had to pick him up. He was on the point of death. The verdict was that he was extremely low on a number of critical minerals. The doctors said that his Veganism was the culprit and after he was fixed via IV, he was told to eat Red Meat at least three times a week. Absorption of minerals, proteins and vitamins is more efficient that way, even from Vegetables. He, and his wife to her credit, took it on board, and he never looked back, and has never been healthier. He achieved a placing in the Round Lake Taupo challenge last year. As an added benefit, their son's autism seems to have improved. Now I am not going to say whether the doctors were right or not. Maybe they were not managing the Vegan diet properly, and may their son's autism would have improved anyway. But the anecdotal evidence, and what they did has achieved the right result. He is now the CEO of Wellington Airport. Italian Beef and Pork Ragu with Pasta for dinner tonight I don't see how it's possible to live off a vegan diet without consuming fortified foods or at least a B12 supplement! Personally, I couldn't absorb enough iron from a vegetarian or vegan diet. I already take supplements and don't want more! Exercise probably does not help. As for ironman events I'd hate to imagine. Triathlon training probably goes hand in hand with anemia! Oh, bean salad, rice salad and barley salad for dinner. One out of three was even vegan friendly!
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Post by ellie on Sept 23, 2020 6:58:13 GMT -5
So you'd already be 70-80% vegan Wally... nearly there i snack on meat so it is probably closer to 50/50... That's got to be an expensive diet!?
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Post by jetmech on Sept 23, 2020 7:18:08 GMT -5
How many people reading this have tried FRESH SIDE? Fresh side looks exactly like bacon; but; it has absolutely no preservatives in it whatsoever, no artificial flavorings such as smoke flavor. It is fresh from a hog, and remember pork is really the other white meat. I would challenge anyone who reads this to find some butcher shops online. Call them and see if they sell FRESH SIDE. Buy a half lb or so, ask the butcherer to slice it as thin as possible. When you fry it ... fry it until it's nice and crisp like bacon. Add a little sea salt and enjoy. It is VERY delicious. We used to eat fresh side on the nikki my mom would put a fresh side sandwich in out lunch bags, with 3 or 4 strips of fresh side, tomato slice, lettuce, and mayo on white bread. It would give us enough energy to work all day on the farm. Believe me ... if you've never heard of fresh side you'll be glad you tried it. It sounds like pork belly. No ... it's not pork belly.
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Post by ellie on Sept 23, 2020 7:21:09 GMT -5
It sounds like pork belly. No ... it's not pork belly. What's the difference between the two?
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Post by jetmech on Sept 23, 2020 8:03:36 GMT -5
No ... it's not pork belly. What's the difference between the two? Ask a butcher or research it online for explicit details; but, I think Fresh Side is side meat. Or, just order some of both from a butcher shop and see what you get. If you've never tried FRESH SIDE I suggest you try some it's very good. I've never tried Pork Belly but I've had folks tell me it's not the same.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 23, 2020 20:58:13 GMT -5
I can't take credit for the joke but this entire thread reminds of it... Q: A vegan, atheist and crossfit athlete walk into a coffee shop, how do you tell them apart? A: Just wait, within 5 minutes they will tell you themselves!!! +++ The thread went from stew to "you're wrong, I'm right" quickly. Humans are born omnivores which simply means we have the capability to survive on both plant and animal matter. Whether a person chooses to live that way is a different thing. Some people simply do better on a particular diet over another. Pigs and bears are also omnivores. Oddly enough panda bears are almost exclusively herbivores. The polar bear is the most carnivorous of the bears. Fairytale bears like porridge. I preferred the stew gravy sans the meat over the potatoes that seemed to be the ubiquitous side dish. Ironically, elephants are herbivores.
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Post by jetmech on Sept 23, 2020 21:02:36 GMT -5
I can't take credit for the joke but this entire thread reminds of it... Q: A vegan, atheist and crossfit athlete walk into a coffee shop, how do you tell them apart? A: Just wait, within 5 minutes they will tell you themselves!!! +++ The thread went from stew to "you're wrong, I'm right" quickly. Humans are born omnivores which simply means we have the capability to survive on both plant and animal matter. Whether a person chooses to live that way is a different thing. Some people simply do better on a particular diet over another. Pigs and bears are also omnivores. Oddly enough panda bears are almost exclusively herbivores. The polar bear is the most carnivorous of the bears. Fairytale bears like porridge. I preferred the stew gravy sans the meat over the potatoes that seemed to be the ubiquitous side dish. Ironically, elephants are herbivores. Maybe if we humans had "trunks" like elephants (and trees) we'd be herbivores too. (pun intended).
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 23, 2020 21:51:40 GMT -5
It sounds like pork belly. No ... it's not pork belly. Jet, I do know what you are talking about.
Fresh side pork is just the same as bacon except it is in the raw form from the pig and is not like bacon or ham which is made from cured pork.
The curing process takes place when pork is soaked in salt water for a number of hours and then smoked by burning wood from different types of wood under the pork. At a couple of farms where we lived we did have what was called a "smoke house."
One place had three same buildings in a line just just outside our back door.
First was the summer kitchen, next the smoke house, last in line was the privy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 22:16:31 GMT -5
The old Privy, how I remember them. One of our Saturday afternoon jobs, bury the contents of the can. The one thing that I appreciate most of all is a flushing toilet. Refuse to use a long drop now.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 23, 2020 23:02:33 GMT -5
The old Privy, how I remember them. One of our Saturday afternoon jobs, bury the contents of the can. The one thing that I appreciate most of all is a flushing toilet. Refuse to use a long drop now. There's nothing like a privy at -20 temperature.
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Post by slowtosee on Sept 24, 2020 4:59:01 GMT -5
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Post by ellie on Sept 24, 2020 5:40:18 GMT -5
What's the difference between the two? Ask a butcher or research it online for explicit details; but, I think Fresh Side is side meat. Or, just order some of both from a butcher shop and see what you get. If you've never tried FRESH SIDE I suggest you try some it's very good. I've never tried Pork Belly but I've had folks tell me it's not the same. The local butcher here says fresh side is pork belly. Maybe try your butcher and see if you get a different response! We are not pork belly fans so I bought lamb chops for the BBQ.
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Post by jetmech on Sept 24, 2020 7:44:29 GMT -5
Ask a butcher or research it online for explicit details; but, I think Fresh Side is side meat. Or, just order some of both from a butcher shop and see what you get. If you've never tried FRESH SIDE I suggest you try some it's very good. I've never tried Pork Belly but I've had folks tell me it's not the same. The local butcher here says fresh side is pork belly. Maybe try your butcher and see if you get a different response! We are not pork belly fans so I bought lamb chops for the BBQ. Oh wow ... I love lamb chops too. I'm going to talk to my butcher here and see if he says Fresh Side and pork belly is the same thing.
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Post by jetmech on Sept 24, 2020 21:02:36 GMT -5
The local butcher here says fresh side is pork belly. Maybe try your butcher and see if you get a different response! We are not pork belly fans so I bought lamb chops for the BBQ. Oh wow ... I love lamb chops too. I'm going to talk to my butcher here and see if he says Fresh Side and pork belly is the same thing. Ellie I talked with butcher today where I buy fresh side. To my utmost surprise, you are correct. FRESH SIDE and PORK BELLY are in fact the same thing; but, there is just one subtle difference: If one orders FRESH SIDE it always comes sliced. If one orders PORK BELLY it comes in bulk unsliced. Therefore, I stand corrected. I learned something I never knew, and thanks for putting me on that. The butcher explained too if you order FRESH SIDE you can ask to have it sliced thick or thin. He said they slice it while it's frozen and it's very difficult to slice FRESH SIDE thin.
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