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Post by jetmech on Sept 21, 2020 12:28:24 GMT -5
I remember how I loved the stew they served at convention time.
It seems like the ingredients were simple: stew meat, onions, chopped celery, carrots, and potatoes. Maybe some salt & pepper.
Stew meat was cheap back then!
I mean ... who could afford to feed that many people a T-BONE steak with A-1 sauce or ketchup right?
At any rate, as a kid, I used to wonder if the stew tasted the same at every convention in other states
Over the years we travelled to convention in Missouri, Virginia/West Virginia, Kansas, etc and the stew smelled and tasted exactly the same as it did at our convention back home in Indiana.
That must be why the scent of the stew wafed from the cook houses always made me feel like I was in familiar territory.
Does anyone know what the recipe is for making that stew? Do they just dump the ingredients all together and cook it all at the same time, or is there a set method to the preparation and cooking of the stew?
Also, what else did they serve at convention time?
For some reason stew is all I remember.
Did they serve stew every day ... every meal?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 15:21:26 GMT -5
I remember how I loved the stew they served at convention time. It seems like the ingredients were simple: stew meat, onions, chopped celery, carrots, and potatoes. Maybe some salt & pepper. Stew meat was cheap back then! I mean ... who could afford to feed that many people a T-BONE steak with A-1 sauce or ketchup right? At any rate, as a kid, I used to wonder if the stew tasted the same at every convention in other states Over the years we travelled to convention in Missouri, Virginia/West Virginia, Kansas, etc and the stew smelled and tasted exactly the same as it did at our convention back home in Indiana. That must be why the scent of the stew wafed from the cook houses always made me feel like I was in familiar territory. Does anyone know what the recipe is for making that stew? Do they just dump the ingredients all together and cook it all at the same time, or is there a set method to the preparation and cooking of the stew? Also, what else did they serve at convention time? For some reason stew is all I remember. Did they serve stew every day ... every meal? I believe the meat is "donated by friends at their cost. Doubtful workers' large hidden accounts would be used for such a trivial thing. Secret Sect books aren't cheap after all, and there are still several unburned copies.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 21, 2020 15:53:12 GMT -5
I remember how I loved the stew they served at convention time. It seems like the ingredients were simple: stew meat, onions, chopped celery, carrots, and potatoes. Maybe some salt & pepper. Stew meat was cheap back then! I mean ... who could afford to feed that many people a T-BONE steak with A-1 sauce or ketchup right? At any rate, as a kid, I used to wonder if the stew tasted the same at every convention in other states Over the years we travelled to convention in Missouri, Virginia/West Virginia, Kansas, etc and the stew smelled and tasted exactly the same as it did at our convention back home in Indiana. That must be why the scent of the stew wafed from the cook houses always made me feel like I was in familiar territory. Does anyone know what the recipe is for making that stew? Do they just dump the ingredients all together and cook it all at the same time, or is there a set method to the preparation and cooking of the stew? Also, what else did they serve at convention time? For some reason stew is all I remember. Did they serve stew every day ... every meal? From what I remember, every day was stew. The one exception was at our home convention one day was always salmon -- more recently some other fish. But since going to carry your own lunch, you get to eat what you bring for yourself.
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Post by jetmech on Sept 21, 2020 16:00:46 GMT -5
I remember how I loved the stew they served at convention time. It seems like the ingredients were simple: stew meat, onions, chopped celery, carrots, and potatoes. Maybe some salt & pepper. Stew meat was cheap back then! I mean ... who could afford to feed that many people a T-BONE steak with A-1 sauce or ketchup right? At any rate, as a kid, I used to wonder if the stew tasted the same at every convention in other states Over the years we travelled to convention in Missouri, Virginia/West Virginia, Kansas, etc and the stew smelled and tasted exactly the same as it did at our convention back home in Indiana. That must be why the scent of the stew wafed from the cook houses always made me feel like I was in familiar territory. Does anyone know what the recipe is for making that stew? Do they just dump the ingredients all together and cook it all at the same time, or is there a set method to the preparation and cooking of the stew? Also, what else did they serve at convention time? For some reason stew is all I remember. Did they serve stew every day ... every meal? I believe the meat is "donated by friends at their cost. Doubtful workers' large hidden accounts would be used for such a trivial thing. Secret Sect books aren't cheap after all, and there are still several unburned copies. Dang it ... that's a lot to wade through ... could you explain yourself?
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Post by jetmech on Sept 21, 2020 16:10:18 GMT -5
I remember how I loved the stew they served at convention time. It seems like the ingredients were simple: stew meat, onions, chopped celery, carrots, and potatoes. Maybe some salt & pepper. Stew meat was cheap back then! I mean ... who could afford to feed that many people a T-BONE steak with A-1 sauce or ketchup right? At any rate, as a kid, I used to wonder if the stew tasted the same at every convention in other states Over the years we travelled to convention in Missouri, Virginia/West Virginia, Kansas, etc and the stew smelled and tasted exactly the same as it did at our convention back home in Indiana. That must be why the scent of the stew wafed from the cook houses always made me feel like I was in familiar territory. Does anyone know what the recipe is for making that stew? Do they just dump the ingredients all together and cook it all at the same time, or is there a set method to the preparation and cooking of the stew? Also, what else did they serve at convention time? For some reason stew is all I remember. Did they serve stew every day ... every meal? From what I remember, every day was stew. The one exception was at our home convention one day was always salmon -- more recently some other fish. But since going to carry your own lunch, you get to eat what you bring for yourself. Man, I would have LOVED that salmon; especially if it were smoked! WOW ... if I had to bring my own lunch it would be back to the Johnsonville Beddar with cheddar sausages!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 16:32:47 GMT -5
You would eat the Salmon, would not be allowed to smoke it, 2x2 rule, NO SMOKING, especially at Convention.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 21, 2020 16:35:28 GMT -5
You would eat the Salmon, would not be allowed to smoke it, 2x2 rule, NO SMOKING, especially at Convention. We kids used to sneak out back of the convention grounds and watch one of the old men lighting up between meetings. It would have been spectacular if he'd accidentally set a wildfire out there.
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Post by speak on Sept 21, 2020 16:40:48 GMT -5
I remember how I loved the stew they served at convention time. It seems like the ingredients were simple: stew meat, onions, chopped celery, carrots, and potatoes. Maybe some salt & pepper. Stew meat was cheap back then! I mean ... who could afford to feed that many people a T-BONE steak with A-1 sauce or ketchup right? At any rate, as a kid, I used to wonder if the stew tasted the same at every convention in other states Over the years we travelled to convention in Missouri, Virginia/West Virginia, Kansas, etc and the stew smelled and tasted exactly the same as it did at our convention back home in Indiana. That must be why the scent of the stew wafed from the cook houses always made me feel like I was in familiar territory. Does anyone know what the recipe is for making that stew? Do they just dump the ingredients all together and cook it all at the same time, or is there a set method to the preparation and cooking of the stew? Also, what else did they serve at convention time? For some reason stew is all I remember. Did they serve stew every day ... every meal? I believe the meat is "donated by friends at their cost. Doubtful workers' large hidden accounts would be used for such a trivial thing. Secret Sect books aren't cheap after all, and there are still several unburned copies. WEIRD
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Post by speak on Sept 21, 2020 16:41:57 GMT -5
You would eat the Salmon, would not be allowed to smoke it, 2x2 rule, NO SMOKING, especially at Convention.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 21, 2020 16:46:25 GMT -5
I believe the meat is "donated by friends at their cost. Doubtful workers' large hidden accounts would be used for such a trivial thing. Secret Sect books aren't cheap after all, and there are still several unburned copies. WEIRD Yes. As people moved off the farms, this became a consideration for conventions in some places.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 17:38:43 GMT -5
I remember how I loved the stew they served at convention time. It seems like the ingredients were simple: stew meat, onions, chopped celery, carrots, and potatoes. Maybe some salt & pepper. Stew meat was cheap back then! I mean ... who could afford to feed that many people a T-BONE steak with A-1 sauce or ketchup right? At any rate, as a kid, I used to wonder if the stew tasted the same at every convention in other states Over the years we travelled to convention in Missouri, Virginia/West Virginia, Kansas, etc and the stew smelled and tasted exactly the same as it did at our convention back home in Indiana. That must be why the scent of the stew wafed from the cook houses always made me feel like I was in familiar territory. Does anyone know what the recipe is for making that stew? Do they just dump the ingredients all together and cook it all at the same time, or is there a set method to the preparation and cooking of the stew? Also, what else did they serve at convention time? For some reason stew is all I remember. Did they serve stew every day ... every meal? rice and chicken, beef and rice, eggs and hash, beef over potatos in the sit down area where you are waited on i've seen chicken and beef enchiladas, chicken and beef taquitos....
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Post by joanna on Sept 21, 2020 19:47:33 GMT -5
jetmech One of the convention grounds we attended as a child and into my 20's was on a dairy farm. Between meetings we would go for walks and I would see those cows in one paddock and their tiny calves in another and knew there was something inherently cruel going on. Not until some years later did I learn how the dairy industry thrives on the suffering of other animals. When sitting in the convention meetings after those walks, I'd be thinking of those beautiful cows not being with their babies and realised their experiences were incongruent with the preaching of a Christian philosophy which was meant to be based on compassion and kindness. Yet the preachers and the congregation were totally fine about this. I can still see the callous expressions of those farmers who owned the convention grounds. Our faces tell a story and it is no wonder that people who lack empathy for the vulnerable tend to develop a hard visage. The preaching of Jesus as "the lamb of God" and having been 'led to the slaughter like a lamb' and then sitting down to that stew, which I recall as being cooked lamb, was another inconsistency that made no sense to me. One minute you were supposed to feel you owed a debt to someone whose apparent meek and mild nature was like that of a lamb, the next you were gorging on the real body of an innocent little being. Religion / faith-beliefs can be criticised from many aspects. And one is the anthropocentric focus that feeds the human ego, and leads us to believe we are created in the image of a god, that we are special and the only life-form that possesses a soul and as a result of this - our species is unique. This exclusive belief, that we alone have a soul, is sickly ironic given the manner in which the human species treats vulnerable humans and other animals. Science evidences that humans are destroying this planet and if we do not imminently change our lifestyle, we are on a road of no return. David Attenborough- save wildlife and the planetHere is one of many alternative recipes. Holy Cow Stew
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Post by Gene on Sept 21, 2020 20:24:38 GMT -5
Convention stew recipe - rough estimate (it's been over 30 years) - someone feel free to correct any errors:
- You've got the ingredients right -- stew meat (beef), onions, celery, carrots, potatoes, but definitely don't just dump it all together!
- Timing and amounts are for a noon lunch for 500 people
1. 8:30 AM: Start searing 15 gallons of stew meat (three five gallon pails); season liberally with salt and pepper (start with 1 c. salt; 1 c. pepper; 2. 9:00: Add 1 gallon onions, chopped, to the seared beef; cook until translucent 3. 9:30: Add 1 gallon celery; 2 gallons carrots; add hot water to just cover the meat and veggies; bring to boil; 4 cups Kitchen Bouquet (Umami/savory for the non-Yanks); taste for seasoning and add more s&p to taste 4. 10:00: Taste again for salt; should be on the salty side, because the next step is to add potatoes and more water, and they'll absorb a LOT of the salt 5. 10:00: Add 5 gallons potatoes; add hot water as needed to cover; taste and add salt as needed; bring to boil again, then turn down to simmer 6. 11:00: Potatoes should be tender; if so, turn heat to a very low simmer to keep warm; if not, turn the heat up to a high boil and pray like hell that they're tender by 11:30 7. 11:30: potatoes should CERTAINLY be done; if not, keep the heat on; if done, turn the heat off and let the stew rest 8. 11:55: When the last speaker gives out the last hymn, start dishing stew out into 2-quart serving bowls; line them up on the counter, ready for the waiters to take to tables; continue filling bowls (you'd have counted them out in advance - two for each table of 10 people) until all tables are served
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 21, 2020 20:40:30 GMT -5
Convention stew recipe - rough estimate (it's been over 30 years) - someone feel free to correct any errors: - You've got the ingredients right -- stew meat (beef), onions, celery, carrots, potatoes, but definitely don't just dump it all together! - Timing and amounts are for a noon lunch for 500 people 1. 8:30 AM: Start searing 15 gallons of stew meat (three five gallon pails); season liberally with salt and pepper (start with 1 c. salt; 1 c. pepper; 2. 9:00: Add 1 gallon onions, chopped, to the seared beef; cook until translucent 3. 9:30: Add 1 gallon celery; 2 gallons carrots; add hot water to just cover the meat and veggies; bring to boil; 4 cups Kitchen Bouquet (Umami/savory for the non-Yanks); taste for seasoning and add more s&p to taste 4. 10:00: Taste again for salt; should be on the salty side, because the next step is to add potatoes and more water, and they'll absorb a LOT of the salt 5. 10:00: Add 5 gallons potatoes; add hot water as needed to cover; taste and add salt as needed; bring to boil again, then turn down to simmer 6. 11:00: Potatoes should be tender; if so, turn heat to a very low simmer to keep warm; if not, turn the heat up to a high boil and pray like hell that they're tender by 11:30 7. 11:30: potatoes should CERTAINLY be done; if not, keep the heat on; if done, turn the heat off and let the stew rest 8. 11:55: When the last speaker gives out the last hymn, start dishing stew out into 2-quart serving bowls; line them up on the counter, ready for the waiters to take to tables; continue filling bowls (you'd have counted them out in advance - two for each table of 10 people) until all tables are served Sounds good to me, -except for the " Kitchen Bouquet!"
Never had that kind of fancy stuff in my day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 20:52:59 GMT -5
jetmech One of the convention grounds we attended as a child and into my 20's was on a dairy farm. Between meetings we would go for walks and I would see those cows in one paddock and their tiny calves in another and knew there was something inherently cruel going on. Not until some years later did I learn how the dairy industry thrives on the suffering of other animals. When sitting in the convention meetings after those walks, I'd be thinking of those beautiful cows not being with their babies and realised their experiences were incongruent with the preaching of a Christian philosophy which was meant to be based on compassion and kindness. Yet the preachers and the congregation were totally fine about this. I can still see the callous expressions of those farmers who owned the convention grounds. Our faces tell a story and it is no wonder that people who lack empathy for the vulnerable tend to develop a hard visage. The preaching of Jesus as "the lamb of God" and having been 'led to the slaughter like a lamb' and then sitting down to that stew, which I recall as being cooked lamb, was another inconsistency that made no sense to me. One minute you were supposed to feel you owed a debt to someone whose apparent meek and mild nature was like that of a lamb, the next you were gorging on the real body of an innocent little being. Religion / faith-beliefs can be criticised from many aspects. And one is the anthropocentric focus that feeds the human ego, and leads us to believe we are created in the image of a god, that we are special and the only life-form that possesses a soul and as a result of this - our species is unique. This exclusive belief, that we alone have a soul, is sickly ironic given the manner in which the human species treats vulnerable humans and other animals. Science evidences that humans are destroying this planet and if we do not imminently change our lifestyle, we are on a road of no return. David Attenborough- save wildlife and the planetHere is one of many alternative recipes. Holy Cow Stew you are an omnivore act like one....
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 21, 2020 22:10:37 GMT -5
jetmech One of the convention grounds we attended as a child and into my 20's was on a dairy farm. Between meetings we would go for walks and I would see those cows in one paddock and their tiny calves in another and knew there was something inherently cruel going on. Not until some years later did I learn how the dairy industry thrives on the suffering of other animals. When sitting in the convention meetings after those walks, I'd be thinking of those beautiful cows not being with their babies and realised their experiences were incongruent with the preaching of a Christian philosophy which was meant to be based on compassion and kindness. Yet the preachers and the congregation were totally fine about this. I can still see the callous expressions of those farmers who owned the convention grounds. Our faces tell a story and it is no wonder that people who lack empathy for the vulnerable tend to develop a hard visage. The preaching of Jesus as "the lamb of God" and having been 'led to the slaughter like a lamb' and then sitting down to that stew, which I recall as being cooked lamb, was another inconsistency that made no sense to me. One minute you were supposed to feel you owed a debt to someone whose apparent meek and mild nature was like that of a lamb, the next you were gorging on the real body of an innocent little being. Religion / faith-beliefs can be criticised from many aspects. And one is the anthropocentric focus that feeds the human ego, and leads us to believe we are created in the image of a god, that we are special and the only life-form that possesses a soul and as a result of this - our species is unique. This exclusive belief, that we alone have a soul, is sickly ironic given the manner in which the human species treats vulnerable humans and other animals. Science evidences that humans are destroying this planet and if we do not imminently change our lifestyle, we are on a road of no return. David Attenborough- save wildlife and the planetHere is one of many alternative recipes. Holy Cow Stew you are an omnivore act like one.... Oh?
Just how do you know that, wally?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 22:39:27 GMT -5
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Post by fred on Sept 21, 2020 22:56:25 GMT -5
You are correct in stating that this is a man made problem. It is however a management problem and it is fixable - the problem is the burden of carbon in the atmosphere. If man stopped eating meat tomorrow that would not repair the damage, if man stopped using fossil fuels that will not fix the problem. Locking up grasslands is not the answer and in many cases has been part of the problem. The solution is to get that carbon back into the soil where it belongs.
Removing livestock is not the answer, in fact using livestock in a proper holistic grazing plan has been proven to return carbon to the soil, helping to repair exhausted and desertifying grasslands. This returns the soil to its natural cycles, increases biodiversity and prevents erosion.
I have been involved in such experiments which have measured the return of carbon to the soil - if such work was carried out over the billions of hectares of the world's grasslands there is capacity to bring the planet back to almost pre industrial levels of CO2.
Sorry to have been so long winded, and I haven't even touched on the world's farmlands!! Research Gabe Brown for more understanding.
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Post by joanna on Sept 21, 2020 23:47:52 GMT -5
@wally
Could you please share how the below verse effects you?
What emotions, if any, do you experience when reading it?
Isaiah 53:7 "He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, And as a sheep before its shearers is silent, So He opened not His mouth."
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Post by joanna on Sept 22, 2020 0:16:45 GMT -5
fred. Hello Fred, There is an obvious and simple rebuttal to your claims. Given there is no argument that animal agriculture is a major contributor of carbon emissions - estimate is around 51% of all carbon emissions are from animal agriculture: the simple rebuttal / no brainer is that instead of raising crops to feed to other animals to be killed and eaten by humans, crops should be grown for our direct consumption. This is a progressive step from whichever way you look at it. A balanced plant-based diet is proven to be healthier. It is vital to control climate change. Humans do not have the monopoly over bonding with others of our kind, or feeling pain, fear and sadness. And the more we learn about other species, the more obvious it is that we have no right to treat them as commodities to be killed and consumed. "Livestock" is a term that desensitises potentially compassionate people to the real and complex lives of the sentient beings who suffer terribly to reach the dinner plate. Around 200 years ago, Jeremy Bentham wrote "The time will come when humanity will extend its mantle over everything that breathes" It is a tragic reflection on humanity, that even despite the threat to our species' survival, people are still trying to justify consuming other sentient beings. "Other animals, which, on account of their interests having been neglected by the insensibility of the ancient jurists, stand degraded into the class of things. ... The day has been, I grieve it to say in many places it is not yet past, in which the greater part of the species, under the denomination of slaves, have been treated ... upon the same footing as ... animals are still. The day may come, when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny. The French have already discovered that the blackness of skin is no reason why a human being should be abandoned without redress to the caprice of a tormentor. It may come one day to be recognized, that the number of legs, the villosity of the skin, or the termination of the os sacrum, are reasons equally insufficient for abandoning a sensitive being to the same fate. What else is it that should trace the insuperable line? Is it the faculty of reason, or perhaps, the faculty for discourse?...the question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer? Why should the law refuse its protection to any sensitive being?... The time will come when humanity will extend its mantle over everything which breathes... " Jeremy Bentham (1748 - 1832) Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 0:21:31 GMT -5
@wally Could you please share how the below verse effects you? What emotions, if any, do you experience when reading it? Isiah 53:7 "He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, And as a sheep before its shearers is silent, So He opened not His mouth." sadness yet joy...
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Post by joanna on Sept 22, 2020 0:25:41 GMT -5
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Thank you for answering Wally.
What is it about the comparison of Jesus to a meek, silent little lamb being led to the slaughter that makes you feel sad?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 0:30:07 GMT -5
@wally Thank you for answering Wally. What is it about the comparison of Jesus to a meek, silent little lamb being led to the slaughter that makes you feel sad? the sadness was for the oppression and affliction the joy was that he did it willingly despite being innocent of any wrong doing....
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Post by joanna on Sept 22, 2020 0:39:09 GMT -5
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I think the reason the writer(s) of these verses used the analogy of a little lamb being taken to be slaughtered was to evoke compassion for the innocent.
Does the thought of an innocent lamb being killed make you feel sad?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 0:43:29 GMT -5
@wally I think the reason the writer(s) of these verses used the analogy of a little lamb being taken to be slaughtered was to evoke compassion for the innocent. Does the thought of an innocent lamb being killed make you feel sad? if we are talking for meat...no not really....everything eats something else...
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 22, 2020 0:59:00 GMT -5
Wally! -you answered Joanna's post by telling her, "you are an omnivore act like one..." but you do not know that she is indeed an omnivore!
Just because you post a site about biology does NOT mean that everyone is an omnivore!
s I know several people who are not omnivores!
Furthermore, YOU have no right to tell her how she should "act!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 1:08:31 GMT -5
Wally! -you answered Joanna's post by telling her, "you are an omnivore act like one..." but you do not know that she is indeed an omnivore!
Just because you post a site about biology does NOT mean that everyone is an omnivore!
s I know several people who are not omnivores!
Furthermore, YOU have no right to tell her how she should "act!"
you know nothing...everyone is an omnivore whether or not they act like one is another thing...hence my point...act like one...
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Post by joanna on Sept 22, 2020 1:10:33 GMT -5
@wally.
Lambs do not eat other animals - their "something else" is plants.
If we use the excuse that animals eat other animals, the irony is that we are justifying killing and consuming by putting ourselves on the same level as those animals, yet at the same time, acting as if we are superior to them and can use and treat them any way we choose. This makes no sense. Especially given that we are capable of making compassionate choices and can survive without killing.
It seems the purpose of the biblical analogy - to clarify the alleged innocence of Jesus, by referencing the gentle, harmless nature of lamb is of no consequence to you.
I think your attitude is consistent with the inherent motivators for a belief in Christianity (& other faiths). That Christianity promotes an introspective, human-centric focus and appeals to the ego as it designates humans as being superior to, and distinct from other life forms.
The reason the biblical story has Jesus depicted as a man is to encourage people to empathise with his experiences. The lamb analogy was obviously intended to stress the vulnerability; innocence and injustice of the crucifixion of Jesus.
Your lack of empathy for the infinite lambs who continue to suffer horribly throughout the centuries is interesting. I could share videos (these can be easily sourced) of the evidenced fear and pain these lambs experience when being led to the slaughter. You express sadness for Jesus, someone you did not know. Without doubt, crucifixion would have been a shocking death; this is thankfully no longer used (except for rare and shocking exceptions).
Your reaction is another nail in the coffin of respect for evidence Wally.
Despite that the slaughter of innocent lambs is a reality, your sadness is instead directed towards words (that describe the death of a person) in an ancient book, and not even all of those words, given you seem unaffected by the lamb analogy.
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