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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 18, 2020 0:45:08 GMT -5
Ah, but wally, - The King James Bible was not even the first Modern English translation
There were actually 6 other translations published before the KJV:
1525 - Tyndale Bible
1535 - Coverdale Bible
1537 - Matthew Bible
1539 - Great Bible
1560 - Geneva Bible
1568 - Bishops Bible
...and to give you even a very compact view of how the "bible" actually came to it's present translation here is a brief history: Someone may ask why the Wycliffe Bible is not included in the list. It is not included for two reasons:
1. The Wycliffe Bible was not in Modern English. It was in Middle English. The period of Middle English is considered to be the time from 1154-1485. Wycliffe translated the Bible in the 1380s.
2. The Wycliffe Bible was not translated from the original languages (Greek and Hebrew). It was translated from the Latin Catholic Vulgate.
The 6 Modern English translations leading up to the KJV were all translated from various editions of what we call today the Greek "Textus Receptus." The first several of these printed Greek editions were published by Desiderius Erasmus, and later editions used to produce the Geneva Bible and Bishops Bible were published by Robert Estienne a.k.a Stephanus. The KJV translators also translated from the Greek Textus Receptus, using the editions of Erasmus, Stephanus, and Beza.
Modern Bible versions are translated from a completely different source. They are translated by critical texts edited by Nestle/Aland and the United Bible Societies in the 20th Century. These modern Greek editions are based on corrupt manuscripts like Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, as well as more recent Egyptian papyri discoveries. It is not a coincidence that Egypt is the source of the corruption underlying modern perversions like the NIV, ESV, NLT, etc.
The 6 Bibles leading up to the KJV were all translated from the Textus Receptus (the correct Greek textual tradition) and are therefore consistent with the KJV. They agree with the KJV. The modern versions, on the other hand, are dramatically different. Therefore, if a person accepts the modern Bible versions as accurate, they are not only rejecting the King James Version. They are also rejecting every English Bible that came before it! According to them, every EnYOglish translation before the 20th Century has been wrong!
The King James Bible is the culmination of the 6 Bibles that led up to it. It is the culmination of almost 100 years of scholarship and sacrifice that gave us our English Bible. That is why the 6 earlier translations eventually went out of print, and the KJV became the standard English Bible used by virtually all Christians until recently. People recognized that the KJV was the final draft of the English Bible, so it replace the 6 rough drafts that led up to it. The 6 Bibles before the KJV were good Bibles, and the KJV could never have been the magnificent Bible that it is without having had those 6 excellent rough drafts.
ummm your making my point if you didn't know it...yes i know a bit of the history of the bible as we know it.... You, -wally, -YOU know the history of the bible?
You don't even know the bible!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:51:30 GMT -5
ummm your making my point if you didn't know it...yes i know a bit of the history of the bible as we know it.... You, -wally, -YOU know the history of the bible?
You don't even know the bible!as far as i can tell i know it as well as you do except for maybe revelation and daniel....you didn't even know that they knew about planets...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 18, 2020 1:02:57 GMT -5
You, -wally, -YOU know the history of the bible?
You don't even know the bible! as far as i can tell i know it as well as you do except for maybe revelation and daniel....you didn't even know that they knew about planets... They didn't, it's simply trickery with translations so that the gullible like you are made fools of.
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Post by fixit on Sept 18, 2020 3:37:44 GMT -5
Did he think the bible was first written in Hebrew? the OT was....the NT was aramaic and greek.... So someone would have to be fluent in both ancient Hebrew (not modern Hebrew) and ancient Greek to make a judgement on the accuracy of translation of the KJV.
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Post by fixit on Sept 18, 2020 3:40:51 GMT -5
as anyone can see the KJV has been around longer than the NIV... Ah, but wally, - The King James Bible was not even the first Modern English translation
There were actually 6 other translations published before the KJV:
1525 - Tyndale Bible
1535 - Coverdale Bible
1537 - Matthew Bible
1539 - Great Bible
1560 - Geneva Bible
1568 - Bishops Bible
...and to give you even a very compact view of how the "bible" actually came to it's present translation here is a brief history: Someone may ask why the Wycliffe Bible is not included in the list. It is not included for two reasons:
1. The Wycliffe Bible was not in Modern English. It was in Middle English. The period of Middle English is considered to be the time from 1154-1485. Wycliffe translated the Bible in the 1380s.
2. The Wycliffe Bible was not translated from the original languages (Greek and Hebrew). It was translated from the Latin Catholic Vulgate.
The 6 Modern English translations leading up to the KJV were all translated from various editions of what we call today the Greek "Textus Receptus." The first several of these printed Greek editions were published by Desiderius Erasmus, and later editions used to produce the Geneva Bible and Bishops Bible were published by Robert Estienne a.k.a Stephanus. The KJV translators also translated from the Greek Textus Receptus, using the editions of Erasmus, Stephanus, and Beza.
Modern Bible versions are translated from a completely different source. They are translated by critical texts edited by Nestle/Aland and the United Bible Societies in the 20th Century. These modern Greek editions are based on corrupt manuscripts like Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, as well as more recent Egyptian papyri discoveries. It is not a coincidence that Egypt is the source of the corruption underlying modern perversions like the NIV, ESV, NLT, etc.
The 6 Bibles leading up to the KJV were all translated from the Textus Receptus (the correct Greek textual tradition) and are therefore consistent with the KJV. They agree with the KJV. The modern versions, on the other hand, are dramatically different. Therefore, if a person accepts the modern Bible versions as accurate, they are not only rejecting the King James Version. They are also rejecting every English Bible that came before it! According to them, every English translation before the 20th Century has been wrong!
The King James Bible is the culmination of the 6 Bibles that led up to it. It is the culmination of almost 100 years of scholarship and sacrifice that gave us our English Bible. That is why the 6 earlier translations eventually went out of print, and the KJV became the standard English Bible used by virtually all Christians until recently. People recognized that the KJV was the final draft of the English Bible, so it replace the 6 rough drafts that led up to it. The 6 Bibles before the KJV were good Bibles, and the KJV could never have been the magnificent Bible that it is without having had those 6 excellent rough drafts.
What you pasted is quite biased. sanderson1611.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-translations-that-came-before-king_11.html
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Post by nathan on Sept 18, 2020 12:11:19 GMT -5
You, -wally, -YOU know the history of the bible?
You don't even know the bible! as far as i can tell i know it as well as you do except for maybe revelation and daniel....you didn't even know that they knew about planets... ** The Sumerians/Iraq astronomers knew about the 9 planets in our solar system. They carved our 9 planets and the Sun in our solar system on copper plate. They KNEW about the 9 planets Abraham and his family lived in Iraq when God called him to live in the promised land where the Messiah/Christ was going to be BORN 2000 yrs later.
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Post by intelchips on Sept 18, 2020 13:09:28 GMT -5
as far as i can tell i know it as well as you do except for maybe revelation and daniel....you didn't even know that they knew about planets... ** The Sumerians/Iraq astronomers knew about the 9 planets in our solar system. They carved our 9 planets and the Sun in our solar system on copper plate. They KNEW about the 9 planets Abraham and his family lived in Iraq when God called him to live in the promised land where the Messiah/Christ was going to be BORN 2000 yrs later. Earth, Venus and Saturn are the only planets expressly mentioned in the Old Testament
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Post by nathan on Sept 18, 2020 14:04:09 GMT -5
** The Sumerians/Iraq astronomers knew about the 9 planets in our solar system. They carved our 9 planets and the Sun in our solar system on copper plate. They KNEW about the 9 planets Abraham and his family lived in Iraq when God called him to live in the promised land where the Messiah/Christ was going to be BORN 2000 yrs later. Earth, Venus and Saturn are the only planets expressly mentioned in the Old Testament ** No, in the book of Job God told him in Job 38:31-32 about Orion cluster of Stars/planets Consteletion and the Pleadia cluster of Stars/planets.
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Post by intelchips on Sept 18, 2020 16:15:09 GMT -5
Earth, Venus and Saturn are the only planets expressly mentioned in the Old Testament ** No, in the book of Job God told him in Job 38:31-32 about Orion cluster of Stars/planets Consteletion and the Pleadia cluster of Stars/planets. False! Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades? Can you loosen Orion’s belt? Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs?
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Post by nathan on Sept 18, 2020 17:07:27 GMT -5
** No, in the book of Job God told him in Job 38:31-32 about Orion cluster of Stars/planets Consteletion and the Pleadia cluster of Stars/planets. False! Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades? Can you loosen Orion’s belt? Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? Not false, God and Christ created them. You should Google and find out which beings live in Orion and Pleadia constlellations they have visited earth in the last 70 years.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 18, 2020 17:09:54 GMT -5
You, -wally, -YOU know the history of the bible?
You don't even know the bible! as far as i can tell i know it as well as you do except for maybe revelation and daniel....you didn't even know that they knew about planets... And you didn't even know why they could not have known about planets.
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Post by intelchips on Sept 18, 2020 17:12:53 GMT -5
False! Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades? Can you loosen Orion’s belt? Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? Not false, God and Christ created them. You should Google and find out which beings live in Orion and Pleadia constlellations they have visited earth in the last 70 years. I'll have to pass on that because I'm not a Google warrior like you are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 17:14:12 GMT -5
as far as i can tell i know it as well as you do except for maybe revelation and daniel....you didn't even know that they knew about planets... And you didn't even know why they could not have known about planets. scripture speaks for itself....
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 18, 2020 17:33:03 GMT -5
And you didn't even know why they could not have known about planets. scripture speaks for itself.... Especially when it's translated into someone else's language. HAHAHAHA
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 18, 2020 17:35:02 GMT -5
Ah, but wally, - The King James Bible was not even the first Modern English translation
There were actually 6 other translations published before the KJV:
1525 - Tyndale Bible
1535 - Coverdale Bible
1537 - Matthew Bible
1539 - Great Bible
1560 - Geneva Bible
1568 - Bishops Bible
...and to give you even a very compact view of how the "bible" actually came to it's present translation here is a brief history: Someone may ask why the Wycliffe Bible is not included in the list. It is not included for two reasons:
1. The Wycliffe Bible was not in Modern English. It was in Middle English. The period of Middle English is considered to be the time from 1154-1485. Wycliffe translated the Bible in the 1380s.
2. The Wycliffe Bible was not translated from the original languages (Greek and Hebrew). It was translated from the Latin Catholic Vulgate.
The 6 Modern English translations leading up to the KJV were all translated from various editions of what we call today the Greek "Textus Receptus." The first several of these printed Greek editions were published by Desiderius Erasmus, and later editions used to produce the Geneva Bible and Bishops Bible were published by Robert Estienne a.k.a Stephanus. The KJV translators also translated from the Greek Textus Receptus, using the editions of Erasmus, Stephanus, and Beza.
Modern Bible versions are translated from a completely different source. They are translated by critical texts edited by Nestle/Aland and the United Bible Societies in the 20th Century. These modern Greek editions are based on corrupt manuscripts like Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, as well as more recent Egyptian papyri discoveries. It is not a coincidence that Egypt is the source of the corruption underlying modern perversions like the NIV, ESV, NLT, etc.
The 6 Bibles leading up to the KJV were all translated from the Textus Receptus (the correct Greek textual tradition) and are therefore consistent with the KJV. They agree with the KJV. The modern versions, on the other hand, are dramatically different. Therefore, if a person accepts the modern Bible versions as accurate, they are not only rejecting the King James Version. They are also rejecting every English Bible that came before it! According to them, every English translation before the 20th Century has been wrong!
The King James Bible is the culmination of the 6 Bibles that led up to it. It is the culmination of almost 100 years of scholarship and sacrifice that gave us our English Bible. That is why the 6 earlier translations eventually went out of print, and the KJV became the standard English Bible used by virtually all Christians until recently. People recognized that the KJV was the final draft of the English Bible, so it replace the 6 rough drafts that led up to it. The 6 Bibles before the KJV were good Bibles, and the KJV could never have been the magnificent Bible that it is without having had those 6 excellent rough drafts.
What you pasted is quite biased. sanderson1611.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-translations-that-came-before-king_11.html Sorry, fixit, but why is it biased?
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Post by christiansburg on Sept 18, 2020 18:02:53 GMT -5
Maybe the best way to look at that is that the Bible neither confirms nor denies that. Just my opinion. Lots of things remain a mystery. ** Don't use the Bible as your guide to know about ETs, other planets or stars in the Universe, most humans can't see with our naked eyes beyond the moon. God has allowed humans to have the technology like the Hubble telescope for us to see beyond the moon and other planets like earth in our solar system. The Bible is mainly about the children of Israel 4000 years of history and the RCC leaders in the 4th century selected and approved only 66 books= the Bible out of 100s books/writings. The RCC closed the Bible at 95 A.D. so we have no records of any events the last 2000 yrs and the millions pictures taken by Hubble telescope. The U.S. and Russians govt KNOW about many ETs races from many stars and planets in our solar system. It was probably about 360 AD before the Christian world was mostly in agreement about what was considered as the NT. Even today some still question Revelation, and some of the apostle's letters. It seems to me that if the record of creation is accepted as it is in Genesis that one need not look beyond that. Ecclestiates 3 v 11 seems to indicate we will never have all the answers since we as humans were created with a limited perception regarding the creation.
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Post by intelchips on Sept 18, 2020 18:14:08 GMT -5
** Don't use the Bible as your guide to know about ETs, other planets or stars in the Universe, most humans can't see with our naked eyes beyond the moon. God has allowed humans to have the technology like the Hubble telescope for us to see beyond the moon and other planets like earth in our solar system. The Bible is mainly about the children of Israel 4000 years of history and the RCC leaders in the 4th century selected and approved only 66 books= the Bible out of 100s books/writings. The RCC closed the Bible at 95 A.D. so we have no records of any events the last 2000 yrs and the millions pictures taken by Hubble telescope. The U.S. and Russians govt KNOW about many ETs races from many stars and planets in our solar system. It was probably about 360 AD before the Christian world was mostly in agreement about what was considered as the NT. Even today some still question Revelation, and some of the apostle's letters. It seems to me that if the record of creation is accepted as it is in Genesis that one need not look beyond that. Ecclestiates 3 v 11 seems to indicate we will never have all the answers since we as humans were created with a limited perception regarding the creation. I'm not sure how to evaluate the following. It takes around 26 million years for the pole star to change position with another star. Being as the OT has been relegated to some time in the last 7000 to 8000 years and we know that in India they have recorded history that goes back to when earth had a different polar star that puts India with an advanced civilization some 56 million years ago. Reference: insa.nic.in/writereaddata/UpLoadedFiles/IJHS/Vol46_1_2_RNIyenger.pdf and other Purânas and the Vedic texts.
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Post by nathan on Sept 18, 2020 18:47:40 GMT -5
** Don't use the Bible as your guide to know about ETs, other planets or stars in the Universe, most humans can't see with our naked eyes beyond the moon. God has allowed humans to have the technology like the Hubble telescope for us to see beyond the moon and other planets like earth in our solar system. The Bible is mainly about the children of Israel 4000 years of history and the RCC leaders in the 4th century selected and approved only 66 books= the Bible out of 100s books/writings. The RCC closed the Bible at 95 A.D. so we have no records of any events the last 2000 yrs and the millions pictures taken by Hubble telescope. The U.S. and Russians govt KNOW about many ETs races from many stars and planets in our solar system. It was probably about 360 AD before the Christian world was mostly in agreement about what was considered as the NT. Even today some still question Revelation, and some of the apostle's letters. It seems to me that if the record of creation is accepted as it is in Genesis that one need not look beyond that. Ecclestiates 3 v 11 seems to indicate we will never have all the answers since we as humans were created with a limited perception regarding the creation. ** God and Christ have sent the Venusian angels to tell us We/humans ARE NOT alone in the Universe. God has populated 3 trillions galaxies with beings, which THEY created. That was one the main reasons God and Christ Created Adam, Eve and their immortal children to Rule and reign with Christ throughout the Universe. Satan and Sin entered the picture Adam, Eve and their children became mortals beings and they lost their immortality! Christ came down from heaven to RESTORE the sinful mortal beings through His death on Calvary! He died for our second death so we believers can enter heaven AFTER death. So, we can rule and reign with Christ in the Universe when he comes again by given us our NEW immortal resurrection bodies. Christ and believers will subdue and similate all beings on earth and in the Universe to be part of Gods eternal kingdom and family in the New earth and heaven.
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Post by intelchips on Sept 18, 2020 18:58:08 GMT -5
It was probably about 360 AD before the Christian world was mostly in agreement about what was considered as the NT. Even today some still question Revelation, and some of the apostle's letters. It seems to me that if the record of creation is accepted as it is in Genesis that one need not look beyond that. Ecclestiates 3 v 11 seems to indicate we will never have all the answers since we as humans were created with a limited perception regarding the creation. ** God and Christ have sent the Venusian angels to tell us We/humans ARE NOT alone in the Universe. God has populated 3 trillions galaxies with beings, which THEY created. That was one the main reasons God and Christ Created Adam, Eve and their immortal children to Rule and reign with Christ throughout the Universe. Satan and Sin entered the picture Adam, Eve and their children became mortals beings and they lost their immortality! Christ came down from heaven to RESTORE the sinful mortal beings through His death on Calvary! He died for our second death so we believers can enter heaven AFTER death. So, we can rule and reign with Christ in the Universe when he comes again by given us our NEW immortal resurrection bodies. Christ and believers will subdue and similate all beings on earth and in the Universe to be part of Gods eternal kingdom and family in the New earth and heaven. Nathan as I pointed out above what about all the people that were here before God created Adam?
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Post by nathan on Sept 18, 2020 19:37:48 GMT -5
** God and Christ have sent the Venusian angels to tell us We/humans ARE NOT alone in the Universe. God has populated 3 trillions galaxies with beings, which THEY created. That was one the main reasons God and Christ Created Adam, Eve and their immortal children to Rule and reign with Christ throughout the Universe. Satan and Sin entered the picture Adam, Eve and their children became mortals beings and they lost their immortality! Christ came down from heaven to RESTORE the sinful mortal beings through His death on Calvary! He died for our second death so we believers can enter heaven AFTER death. So, we can rule and reign with Christ in the Universe when he comes again by given us our NEW immortal resurrection bodies. Christ and believers will subdue and similate all beings on earth and in the Universe to be part of Gods eternal kingdom and family in the New earth and heaven. Nathan as I pointed out above what about all the people that were here before God created Adam? ** Yes, I know and I agree with you, they were NOT the first humans God and Christ created. I read about beings from other planets came to earth to have fellowship with Adam, Eve and with Christ in the Garden of Eden before the Fall. Adam and Eve were created in the image of God and they were greatly respected by many intelligence beings/races from other planets and galaxies before the Fall. Now, they are coming back to welcome the believers in Christ to the NEXT chapter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 12:41:30 GMT -5
It was probably about 360 AD before the Christian world was mostly in agreement about what was considered as the NT. Even today some still question Revelation, and some of the apostle's letters. It seems to me that if the record of creation is accepted as it is in Genesis that one need not look beyond that. Ecclestiates 3 v 11 seems to indicate we will never have all the answers since we as humans were created with a limited perception regarding the creation. I'm not sure how to evaluate the following. It takes around 26 million years for the pole star to change position with another star. Being as the OT has been relegated to some time in the last 7000 to 8000 years and we know that in India they have recorded history that goes back to when earth had a different polar star that puts India with an advanced civilization some 56 million years ago. Reference: insa.nic.in/writereaddata/UpLoadedFiles/IJHS/Vol46_1_2_RNIyenger.pdf and other Purânas and the Vedic texts. evilutionists generally say mankind is only 250k years old that is a bit younger than 56 million years...
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Post by intelchips on Sept 23, 2020 12:49:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to evaluate the following. It takes around 26 million years for the pole star to change position with another star. Being as the OT has been relegated to some time in the last 7000 to 8000 years and we know that in India they have recorded history that goes back to when earth had a different polar star that puts India with an advanced civilization some 56 million years ago. Reference: insa.nic.in/writereaddata/UpLoadedFiles/IJHS/Vol46_1_2_RNIyenger.pdf and other Purânas and the Vedic texts. evilutionists generally say mankind is only 250k years old that is a bit younger than 56 million years... Have you keep current where all scientific disciplines for some reason or the other dislike acknowledging new data when it comes in relating to how old mankind is? Also don't you every read the references I usually give and then study beyond me to form a more perfect understanding? Perhaps I made a mistake. Here check it out for yourself: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQNhQ7wxOvA&t=126s Did I add to many Zeros? Edit: Wally Thanks for bringing my attention to my error. I am using a Astronomy software version that doesn't have anyway to add the seasons so I did some math on my own and made a right crackup. It should be thousands not Millions. My bad. The software allows adding Apoapsis and Periapsis but not the Earth’s apsidal positions with respect to Indian seasons of Grishma and Hemanta. This whole post was intended to show that the civilization that produced the Hindu tradition is far older then the people in the OT. Thus, if the India civilization already had writing and the math and science to record Astronomy observations 17,000 years ago then one can guess when those people first came together to build that civilization.
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Post by jetmech on Sept 23, 2020 20:42:35 GMT -5
..."Edit: Wally Thanks for bringing my attention to my error. I am using a Astronomy software version that doesn't have anyway to add the seasons so I did some math on my own and made a right crackup. It should be thousands not Millions. My bad..."
I think it takes a real special person to admit in front of everyone on this board they made a mistake.
I've eaten crow on here more times than I'd like to try to remember.
👍 for Intelchips!!!
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