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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 23:34:42 GMT -5
wrong 2Ki_23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. Do you know when that word planet was added to the verse. The numb nuts in the old testament did not have a clue about the difference between a planet and a star. you know nothing....
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 17, 2020 23:44:21 GMT -5
Why would those who wrote the Bible know what a "planet" was?
Why would they even know that the moon or sun was actually a sphere?
How could they understand why the moon went through phases?
For all they knew, the sun & the moon were just disks.
For that matter, they didn't even know that what they lived one was anything other than a disk!
The word "planet" wasn't in their vocabulary.
wrong 2Ki_23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. 2 Kg 23:5 He did away with the idolatrous priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalem—those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. [NIV]
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 17, 2020 23:45:35 GMT -5
wrong 2Ki_23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. 5 He did away with the idolatrous priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalem—those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. [NIV] Even the use of the word constellation is dubious. They did not have the knowledge to make that statement.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 23:50:08 GMT -5
wrong 2Ki_23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. 2 Kg 23:5 He did away with the idolatrous priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalem—those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. [NIV] as anyone can see the KJV has been around longer than the NIV...
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 17, 2020 23:59:28 GMT -5
5 He did away with the idolatrous priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalem—those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. [NIV] Even the use of the word constellation is dubious. They did not have the knowledge to make that statement. True. They had no concept of planets, but they did study "stars" (which probably included planets). And whatever they called them, the modern word "constellation" would be the closest term we have for what they were talking about. I may be wrong, but I don't think constellations are a scientific category. "Ancient Egyptian constellations appear to have been quite different from ours today. We take our present constellations from ancient Greece, although the Chinese have different constellations even today."egypt.hitchins.net/pyramid-myths/ancient-egyptian-constellat.html"The history of Egyptian astronomy begins in the depths of prehistory and the discovery of stone circles at Nabta Playa, dating from the 5th Millennium BC, show that the Egyptians had already developed a calendar. The stone circle shows that they were accomplished at marking time and, it can be assumed, predicting the coming of the floods. They also developed a system of constellations that appear to be of native origin and independent from the work of the Greeks and the Mesopotamians. The Egyptians were fully aware that the year was about 365 days, and divided it into 12 months of 30"explorable.com/egyptian-astronomy
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 18, 2020 0:01:18 GMT -5
2 Kg 23:5 He did away with the idolatrous priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalem—those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. [NIV] as anyone can see the KJV has been around longer than the NIV... Proves what?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 18, 2020 0:03:23 GMT -5
Even the use of the word constellation is dubious. They did not have the knowledge to make that statement. True. They had no concept of planets, but they did study "stars" (which probably included planets). And whatever they called them, the modern word "constellation" would be the closest term we have for what they were talking about. I may be wrong, but I don't think constellations are a scientific category. "Ancient Egyptian constellations appear to have been quite different from ours today. We take our present constellations from ancient Greece, although the Chinese have different constellations even today."egypt.hitchins.net/pyramid-myths/ancient-egyptian-constellat.html"The history of Egyptian astronomy begins in the depths of prehistory and the discovery of stone circles at Nabta Playa, dating from the 5th Millennium BC, show that the Egyptians had already developed a calendar. The stone circle shows that they were accomplished at marking time and, it can be assumed, predicting the coming of the floods. They also developed a system of constellations that appear to be of native origin and independent from the work of the Greeks and the Mesopotamians. The Egyptians were fully aware that the year was about 365 days, and divided it into 12 months of 30"explorable.com/egyptian-astronomyOh yes, I see. that's pretty good going. Their gods must have been informing them better than the second rate Hebrew god.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:04:17 GMT -5
as anyone can see the KJV has been around longer than the NIV... Proves what? that newer versions are craptastic and remove or alter what was in the original KJV...
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 18, 2020 0:07:24 GMT -5
that newer versions are craptastic and remove or alter what was in the original KJV... Nice try, but an unlearned guess.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 18, 2020 0:12:29 GMT -5
Why would those who wrote the Bible know what a "planet" was?
Why would they even know that the moon or sun was actually a sphere?
How could they understand why the moon went through phases?
For all they knew, the sun & the moon were just disks.
For that matter, they didn't even know that what they lived one was anything other than a disk!
The word "planet" wasn't in their vocabulary.
wrong 2Ki_23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. OK, -the "word " planet is there, in the King James version of the bible but in the day when the bible was written the authors hadn't any idea of what planets were!
Wandering stars: A brief history of defining ‘planet’
April 4, 2016 Physical Science, Issue 9
FROM WANDERING STAR TO EARTH-ORBITER, THE WORD ‘PLANET’ HAS CHANGED ITS MEANING MANY TIMES. PLUTO’S EXILE IS ONLY THE MOST RECENT.
Humans have observed planets for at least four thousand years We know that ancient Babylonian astronomers recorded the cycles of Venus, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, ascribe meanings to their positions in the sky.
Occasionally, the sun and moon were also included in this list of planets visible to the naked eye.
Each planet — including the sun and moon — was associated with a god: Mercury was associated with the god of wisdom, Venus with the goddess of love and war, and the Sun with the god of justice, and so on.
This fascination with planets was not unique to the Babylonians. For nearly all of recorded human history, people have ascribed special importance to planets. As Dr Jean-Luc Margot, an astronomer and professor at UCLA, put it, “For thousands of years, people have noticed that these planets are different. That may be why it’s built in to our culture that these objects are special. The sort of objects that, initially, we could see with our naked eye in the night sky, that behaved differently from the stars.”
The first known use of the word ‘planet’ in English, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, was in the year 1300 in an account of the lives of Christian saints.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:13:01 GMT -5
Olea seeing it has been suggested that you become a Rat Catcher thought you may need a Falcon to help. They are great at catching Rats. It you want a Falcon there are some hatching in a nest on the 33rd floor, at 367 Collins St Melbourne. There is a live feed set up to watch them. She has been sitting on 4 eggs for about 2 weeks now, they should hatch in about another 2 weeks. They are most interesting to watch, he brought home a fat Rat at daylight this morning for them both to have for breakfast. He is a real Gentlemen takes a turn at sitting on the eggs so she can go shopping. They are in the middle of the CBD. Here is the link if anybody wants to take a look. Don't know if it will work outside Australia. The nest camera is the most interesting. www.367collinsfalcons.com.au/more-live-streams
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:17:12 GMT -5
that newer versions are craptastic and remove or alter what was in the original KJV... Nice try, but an unlearned guess. a study of the differences might help you immensely start here this just covers the NT: www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NIV/300_changes.htm
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 18, 2020 0:20:25 GMT -5
All of the accumulated knowledge of the universe has been by observation or proving a theory. No god has ever or will ever contribute to this pool of knowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:22:12 GMT -5
The Bible has been translated into many languages from the biblical languages of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. As of October 2019 the full Bible has been translated into 698 languages, the New Testament has been translated into an additional 1,548 languages and Bible portions or stories into 1,138 other languages. Where does the KJV version sit in all that???.
Who told you Wally that the KJV was the only accurate one???.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 18, 2020 0:23:32 GMT -5
Nice try, but that's irrelevant to the your claim.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:27:20 GMT -5
The Bible has been translated into many languages from the biblical languages of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. As of October 2019 the full Bible has been translated into 698 languages, the New Testament has been translated into an additional 1,548 languages and Bible portions or stories into 1,138 other languages. Where does the KJV version sit in all that???. Who told you Wally that the KJV was the only accurate one???. we had a worker(GH now an ex-worker) who learned hebrew he said that the KJV is the closest translation out there....
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 18, 2020 0:27:20 GMT -5
The Bible has been translated into many languages from the biblical languages of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. As of October 2019 the full Bible has been translated into 698 languages, the New Testament has been translated into an additional 1,548 languages and Bible portions or stories into 1,138 other languages. Where does the KJV version sit in all that???. Who told you Wally that the KJV was the only accurate one???. The NIV was translated from earlier Bible versions than was the KJV. But Wally will probably think of some other reason he has to be right.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 18, 2020 0:27:37 GMT -5
2 Kg 23:5 He did away with the idolatrous priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalem—those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. [NIV] as anyone can see the KJV has been around longer than the NIV... Ah, but wally, - The King James Bible was not even the first Modern English translation
There were actually 6 other translations published before the KJV:
1525 - Tyndale Bible
1535 - Coverdale Bible
1537 - Matthew Bible
1539 - Great Bible
1560 - Geneva Bible
1568 - Bishops Bible
...and to give you even a very compact view of how the "bible" actually came to it's present translation here is a brief history: Someone may ask why the Wycliffe Bible is not included in the list. It is not included for two reasons:
1. The Wycliffe Bible was not in Modern English. It was in Middle English. The period of Middle English is considered to be the time from 1154-1485. Wycliffe translated the Bible in the 1380s.
2. The Wycliffe Bible was not translated from the original languages (Greek and Hebrew). It was translated from the Latin Catholic Vulgate.
The 6 Modern English translations leading up to the KJV were all translated from various editions of what we call today the Greek "Textus Receptus." The first several of these printed Greek editions were published by Desiderius Erasmus, and later editions used to produce the Geneva Bible and Bishops Bible were published by Robert Estienne a.k.a Stephanus. The KJV translators also translated from the Greek Textus Receptus, using the editions of Erasmus, Stephanus, and Beza.
Modern Bible versions are translated from a completely different source. They are translated by critical texts edited by Nestle/Aland and the United Bible Societies in the 20th Century. These modern Greek editions are based on corrupt manuscripts like Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, as well as more recent Egyptian papyri discoveries. It is not a coincidence that Egypt is the source of the corruption underlying modern perversions like the NIV, ESV, NLT, etc.
The 6 Bibles leading up to the KJV were all translated from the Textus Receptus (the correct Greek textual tradition) and are therefore consistent with the KJV. They agree with the KJV. The modern versions, on the other hand, are dramatically different. Therefore, if a person accepts the modern Bible versions as accurate, they are not only rejecting the King James Version. They are also rejecting every English Bible that came before it! According to them, every English translation before the 20th Century has been wrong!
The King James Bible is the culmination of the 6 Bibles that led up to it. It is the culmination of almost 100 years of scholarship and sacrifice that gave us our English Bible. That is why the 6 earlier translations eventually went out of print, and the KJV became the standard English Bible used by virtually all Christians until recently. People recognized that the KJV was the final draft of the English Bible, so it replace the 6 rough drafts that led up to it. The 6 Bibles before the KJV were good Bibles, and the KJV could never have been the magnificent Bible that it is without having had those 6 excellent rough drafts.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 18, 2020 0:29:32 GMT -5
The Bible has been translated into many languages from the biblical languages of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. As of October 2019 the full Bible has been translated into 698 languages, the New Testament has been translated into an additional 1,548 languages and Bible portions or stories into 1,138 other languages. Where does the KJV version sit in all that???. Who told you Wally that the KJV was the only accurate one???. we had a worker(GH now an ex-worker) who learned hebrew he said that the KJV is the closest translation out there.... I won't even explain what's stupid about that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:30:22 GMT -5
Nice try, but that's irrelevant to the your claim. actually its quite relevant to my claim that stuff had been removed or altered in other versions and the link i gave proves it...but then you would have to actually read them to understand that...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:30:46 GMT -5
Someone who thinks they are always right but are, in fact, not right, are often described as being Cocksure. Completely confident in their own ability or knowledge but with no justification.
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Post by fixit on Sept 18, 2020 0:31:34 GMT -5
The Bible has been translated into many languages from the biblical languages of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. As of October 2019 the full Bible has been translated into 698 languages, the New Testament has been translated into an additional 1,548 languages and Bible portions or stories into 1,138 other languages. Where does the KJV version sit in all that???. Who told you Wally that the KJV was the only accurate one???. we had a worker(GH now an ex-worker) who learned hebrew he said that the KJV is the closest translation out there.... Did he think the bible was first written in Hebrew?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:34:38 GMT -5
as anyone can see the KJV has been around longer than the NIV... Ah, but wally, - The King James Bible was not even the first Modern English translation
There were actually 6 other translations published before the KJV:
1525 - Tyndale Bible
1535 - Coverdale Bible
1537 - Matthew Bible
1539 - Great Bible
1560 - Geneva Bible
1568 - Bishops Bible
...and to give you even a very compact view of how the "bible" actually came to it's present translation here is a brief history: Someone may ask why the Wycliffe Bible is not included in the list. It is not included for two reasons:
1. The Wycliffe Bible was not in Modern English. It was in Middle English. The period of Middle English is considered to be the time from 1154-1485. Wycliffe translated the Bible in the 1380s.
2. The Wycliffe Bible was not translated from the original languages (Greek and Hebrew). It was translated from the Latin Catholic Vulgate.
The 6 Modern English translations leading up to the KJV were all translated from various editions of what we call today the Greek "Textus Receptus." The first several of these printed Greek editions were published by Desiderius Erasmus, and later editions used to produce the Geneva Bible and Bishops Bible were published by Robert Estienne a.k.a Stephanus. The KJV translators also translated from the Greek Textus Receptus, using the editions of Erasmus, Stephanus, and Beza.
Modern Bible versions are translated from a completely different source. They are translated by critical texts edited by Nestle/Aland and the United Bible Societies in the 20th Century. These modern Greek editions are based on corrupt manuscripts like Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, as well as more recent Egyptian papyri discoveries. It is not a coincidence that Egypt is the source of the corruption underlying modern perversions like the NIV, ESV, NLT, etc.
The 6 Bibles leading up to the KJV were all translated from the Textus Receptus (the correct Greek textual tradition) and are therefore consistent with the KJV. They agree with the KJV. The modern versions, on the other hand, are dramatically different. Therefore, if a person accepts the modern Bible versions as accurate, they are not only rejecting the King James Version. They are also rejecting every English Bible that came before it! According to them, every English translation before the 20th Century has been wrong!
The King James Bible is the culmination of the 6 Bibles that led up to it. It is the culmination of almost 100 years of scholarship and sacrifice that gave us our English Bible. That is why the 6 earlier translations eventually went out of print, and the KJV became the standard English Bible used by virtually all Christians until recently. People recognized that the KJV was the final draft of the English Bible, so it replace the 6 rough drafts that led up to it. The 6 Bibles before the KJV were good Bibles, and the KJV could never have been the magnificent Bible that it is without having had those 6 excellent rough drafts.
ummm your making my point if you didn't know it...yes i know a bit of the history of the bible as we know it....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:36:21 GMT -5
we had a worker(GH now an ex-worker) who learned hebrew he said that the KJV is the closest translation out there.... Did he think the bible was first written in Hebrew? the OT was....the NT was aramaic and greek....
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 18, 2020 0:37:47 GMT -5
ummm your making my point if you didn't know it...yes i know a bit of the history of the bible as we know it.... A bit == just enough to be able to argue with someone who knows a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:38:36 GMT -5
Someone who thinks they are always right but are, in fact, not right, are often described as being Cocksure. Completely confident in their own ability or knowledge but with no justification. you'll have to forgive bob he thinks he speaks on my behalf and that he actually knows me, he doesn't...believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see concerning him....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:40:11 GMT -5
ummm your making my point if you didn't know it...yes i know a bit of the history of the bible as we know it.... A bit == just enough to be able to argue with someone who knows a lot. i think your describing yourself there bob when it comes to the bible...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:44:39 GMT -5
Just love it Wally when you and Bob get into debate. Like Politicians you insult each other with dignity. And after a tough session they go to the Bar and have a drink together. A good example to the rest of us.
Accept people for who they are, not what you want them to be. Buddha
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