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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 11:01:58 GMT -5
Lee, it is regrettable that in order for you to maintain your view that you have to make personal accusations against myself others which are blatantly inaccurate.
Such as this accusation you made against me:
"You however, in your anger at God you wish to impose Marxist optics and solutions on everything, by ignoring the progress we've made, even deleting our constitutional rights that are weighted towards over the collective."
Lee, I would feel confident enough to bet my very life on the fact that I, -far more that you, -have actually WORKED in many capacities in many groups toward maintaining "our constitutional rights" for the "freedom of the individual" than you have ever even knew existed.
Unless the lord builds the house, its builders labor in vain. Based on your postings, in pursuit of a bedrock ethic you have confused equality for perfection. Should all people be rich? Should all people be 50 percent gay? Should all women be fifty percent men? Should the races be racing 100 percent equally at this point in the race, by a mere measure of material wealth? Certainly equality does relate to virtue. The poor, the noble working poor shouldn't be so poor they can't afford the essential necessities of life, and an average duration of life. Who will deliver these? We will. We will vote and we will pray these things into existence. We will preach Jesus until everyone gets it. Failure is not an option. Well good luck with that. Of course the reality is that more and more people in the developed world are realising that the Jesus that Christianity preaches is merely a theoretical Jesus created by the New Testament authors so the chances of everyone “getting it” are zero. I would suggest that rather than failure not being an option, failure is the only option on that particular crusade. Even the trait on the TMB among people raised in the Christian tradition is one of people moving from belief to non belief despite the huge amount of Christian preaching and proselytising that goes on here. I have been on this board for years but have yet to witness one single non believer here embrace the Jesus that is preached. However at least one person here has revealed that it was the behaviour of believers in Jesus here that had led them to their non belief. That is failure by any definition. Of course this trait is unsurprising as the evidence in support of the existence of the biblical Jesus outside of the bible and of the mind of the believer is also zero. The best believers can muster is to point to the beauty of a flower and claim that proves there is a God who is interested in your sex life and cares whether or not you die from Covid-19. It’s truly bizarre. As regards praying these things into existence well, good luck with that too. You may well believe that there is effective and ineffective prayer but the fact is that there is only ineffective prayer. What believers interpret to be effective prayer is merely a result of them interpreting events through the lens of Christianity and then attributing to their God things than would have happened anyway. There is certainly no such thing as effective or ineffective prayer when you are praying for your leg to grow back after losing it in an automobile accident. There is only ineffective prayer. And if God can’t regrow a single limb in response to a prayer what chance is there of him providing the essential necessities of life to the poor? If we care to step out and away from our comfortable, western world existence and observe the wider world, the one thing that becomes blatantly obvious is that God really doesn’t give a hoot about the poor. Matt10
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 29, 2020 16:35:45 GMT -5
As to how far as it goes, "Unless the lord builds the house, its builders labor in vain." -it has never gone very far in the past by the people who you claim will "deliver " on their promise that, "The poor, the noble working poor shouldn't be so poor they can't afford the essential necessities of life, and an average duration of life."
(BTW, your caveat of stipulating that it was "noble working poor" to whom you you were referring, -didn't slip past my radar, Lee! Of course it will be people of like thinking as yourself who will be the ones who decide who is "noble" and who is not! )
Lee, -you all can "preach Jesus" from the mountain tops, -rend your clothes, -shave your head, -throw dust on yourself, -wear sackcloth; all with holy zeal, -but until you all recognize that Jesus did not put those kinds caveats on how to treat others, -all of your talk will amount to no more than a "Poot in A Whirlwind!"
One reason is that it requires a lot more actual work than just trying to "pray these things into existence." While you were yet in the 2x2 hinterland, was your orientation to salvation one of works? What has this got to do with any "salvation due to works?" -but I think that I get your drift.
#I. I am not looking for any "salvation" from anything to start with, so that is not ay reason for what I do.
#2. Anything that is done for the betterment of ALL of humanity now has it's rewards for everyone here & now, -making for a kinder better world now -not some "promise" in far-flung future in an supposed after life that hasn't evidence of even existing.
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Post by Lee on Oct 30, 2020 9:27:31 GMT -5
If you’re actually interested in a reward in this life or one to follow, I would throw off your communist handlers. Like the devil himself, communists want us to be preoccupied with every vanity.
......Deprived of a proper understanding of salvation and grace, some 2x2s were initiated into self effort.
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Post by Lee on Oct 30, 2020 9:39:35 GMT -5
Unless the lord builds the house, its builders labor in vain. Based on your postings, in pursuit of a bedrock ethic you have confused equality for perfection. Should all people be rich? Should all people be 50 percent gay? Should all women be fifty percent men? Should the races be racing 100 percent equally at this point in the race, by a mere measure of material wealth? Certainly equality does relate to virtue. The poor, the noble working poor shouldn't be so poor they can't afford the essential necessities of life, and an average duration of life. Who will deliver these? We will. We will vote and we will pray these things into existence. We will preach Jesus until everyone gets it. Failure is not an option. Well good luck with that. Of course the reality is that more and more people in the developed world are realising that the Jesus that Christianity preaches is merely a theoretical Jesus created by the New Testament authors so the chances of everyone “getting it” are zero. I would suggest that rather than failure not being an option, failure is the only option on that particular crusade. Even the trait on the TMB among people raised in the Christian tradition is one of people moving from belief to non belief despite the huge amount of Christian preaching and proselytising that goes on here. I have been on this board for years but have yet to witness one single non believer here embrace the Jesus that is preached. However at least one person here has revealed that it was the behaviour of believers in Jesus here that had led them to their non belief. That is failure by any definition. Of course this trait is unsurprising as the evidence in support of the existence of the biblical Jesus outside of the bible and of the mind of the believer is also zero. The best believers can muster is to point to the beauty of a flower and claim that proves there is a God who is interested in your sex life and cares whether or not you die from Covid-19. It’s truly bizarre. As regards praying these things into existence well, good luck with that too. You may well believe that there is effective and ineffective prayer but the fact is that there is only ineffective prayer. What believers interpret to be effective prayer is merely a result of them interpreting events through the lens of Christianity and then attributing to their God things than would have happened anyway. There is certainly no such thing as effective or ineffective prayer when you are praying for your leg to grow back after losing it in an automobile accident. There is only ineffective prayer. And if God can’t regrow a single limb in response to a prayer what chance is there of him providing the essential necessities of life to the poor? If we care to step out and away from our comfortable, western world existence and observe the wider world, the one thing that becomes blatantly obvious is that God really doesn’t give a hoot about the poor. Matt10 You should visit democrat run cities here and see what an epidemic we are having with homelessness. I see it first of all as a spiritual problem originating from under performing family structures. At least Christianity generally promotes the traditional family. We have a lot of doctors too. TMB is a ghost town because most people don’t want to waste their time with loser communists and atheists. You haven’t converted anyone out of their faith if they really had it.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 30, 2020 16:00:44 GMT -5
Lee, -Maybe this is just blind spot for you. You seem to be wanting to mix up government with Christianity.
Are advocating for a theocracy? I don't think that you understand that even if you get a government based on Christianity, that it is not going to look like what YOU want!
There will just be a great big fight over what is the CORRECT religious view of Christianity with it's thousands of different ideas of what is right!
PS: where are you getting the idea that democrat run cities have an epidemic with homelessness? Have you seen this with your own eyes? I think that you may be listening to Trump too much.
PPS: If TMB is a ghost town, why are you still here wasting your time? It doesn't seems to be a ghost town to me, -it is so busy that I really can't keep up with it all.
I'm not here to "convert" you or anyone else, -only to present my own position.
Of course it is interesting to watch how people form their beliefs as well as how they put caveats - specific stipulations, - on different statements- in order to claim the veracity of what they are saying. "You haven’t converted anyone out of their faith if they really had it."
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Post by Lee on Oct 31, 2020 8:11:38 GMT -5
I'm not death-centric, like secular-evolutionists and some christians tend to be. Death is not the end of all things, an immutable alter on which everyone should base their life around in every sense. Of course in a practical sense, death should factor into our planning. Our pending deaths are best reckoned with earlier than later. But life goes on after we die, the course of human history goes on.
As I see it, the Occidental world has realized some of the foundational precepts of that Kingdom that has no end, prophesied in Daniel. We are already living in that Theocracy, even if it is very young. The apocalyptic events and trends we're experiencing, including the geo-political poles of communism versus our limited theory of government and expansive concept of individual freedom and responsibility, -these correspond to the end of the canonical, millennial reign of Christ IMO, where Satan makes his last stand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 0:27:45 GMT -5
Well good luck with that. Of course the reality is that more and more people in the developed world are realising that the Jesus that Christianity preaches is merely a theoretical Jesus created by the New Testament authors so the chances of everyone “getting it” are zero. I would suggest that rather than failure not being an option, failure is the only option on that particular crusade. Even the trait on the TMB among people raised in the Christian tradition is one of people moving from belief to non belief despite the huge amount of Christian preaching and proselytising that goes on here. I have been on this board for years but have yet to witness one single non believer here embrace the Jesus that is preached. However at least one person here has revealed that it was the behaviour of believers in Jesus here that had led them to their non belief. That is failure by any definition. Of course this trait is unsurprising as the evidence in support of the existence of the biblical Jesus outside of the bible and of the mind of the believer is also zero. The best believers can muster is to point to the beauty of a flower and claim that proves there is a God who is interested in your sex life and cares whether or not you die from Covid-19. It’s truly bizarre. As regards praying these things into existence well, good luck with that too. You may well believe that there is effective and ineffective prayer but the fact is that there is only ineffective prayer. What believers interpret to be effective prayer is merely a result of them interpreting events through the lens of Christianity and then attributing to their God things than would have happened anyway. There is certainly no such thing as effective or ineffective prayer when you are praying for your leg to grow back after losing it in an automobile accident. There is only ineffective prayer. And if God can’t regrow a single limb in response to a prayer what chance is there of him providing the essential necessities of life to the poor? If we care to step out and away from our comfortable, western world existence and observe the wider world, the one thing that becomes blatantly obvious is that God really doesn’t give a hoot about the poor. Matt10 You should visit democrat run cities here and see what an epidemic we are having with homelessness. I see it first of all as a spiritual problem originating from under performing family structures. At least Christianity generally promotes the traditional family. We have a lot of doctors too. TMB is a ghost town because most people don’t want to waste their time with loser communists and atheists. You haven’t converted anyone out of their faith if they really had it. I note that you’re playing the old ‘no true Scotsman card’ here much favoured by 2x2s. It’s always a losing card in any argument. The 2x2s claim that anyone who leaves the 2x2s never had a true revelation of God. If you are an ex 2x2 that means you have never had a true revelation of God. You’re therefore not a real Christian. How persuaded are you by that argument? I would suspect not very. Hardly surprising as it’s just silly. This argument is inevitably the last desperate act by religious groups trying to explain away the fact that people leave their group because of the huge flaws in the belief system. They cannot afford to accept the flaws in their belief system so they have to find a reason that allows them to justify the leaving to themselves without undermining their belief system. It’s an act of supreme self delusion. And it’s the same silly argument that you are making here when you claim that I haven’t converted anyone out of their faith who really had it. You’d be much closer to the truth if you claimed I haven’t converted anyone out of their faith who was suffering seriously high levels of religious conditioning for it is only such people who are beyond understanding the real truth about God. The fact is that people frequently get converted out of their Christian faith including here on the TMB. And there are many people who have been converted out of their Christian forth who have demonstrated much greater levels of faith than you. As I’ve already pointed out the trend is very much from belief to non belief rather than from non belief to belief despite all the Jesus that is preached and all the power the Christian God supposedly has but consistently fails to demonstrate. Indeed using your argument one might well claim that no atheist or non believer who becomes a Christian was ever a true atheist or non believer in the first place. Matt10
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Post by openingact34 on Nov 1, 2020 0:35:36 GMT -5
You should visit democrat run cities here and see what an epidemic we are having with homelessness. I see it first of all as a spiritual problem originating from under performing family structures. At least Christianity generally promotes the traditional family. We have a lot of doctors too. TMB is a ghost town because most people don’t want to waste their time with loser communists and atheists. You haven’t converted anyone out of their faith if they really had it. I note that you’re playing the old ‘no true Scotsman card’ here much favoured by 2x2s. It’s always a losing card in any argument. The 2x2s claim that anyone who leaves the 2x2s never had a true revelation of God. If you are an ex 2x2 that means you have never had a true revelation of God. You’re therefore not a real Christian. How persuaded are you by that argument? I would suspect not very. Hardly surprising as it’s just silly. This argument is inevitably the last desperate act by religious groups trying to explain away the fact that people leave their group because of the huge flaws in the belief system. They cannot afford to accept the flaws in their belief system so they have to find a reason that allows them to justify the leaving to themselves without undermining their belief system. It’s an act of supreme self delusion. And it’s the same silly argument that you are making here when you claim that I haven’t converted anyone out of their faith who really had it. You’d be much closer to the truth if you claimed I haven’t converted anyone out of their faith who was suffering seriously high levels of religious conditioning for it is only such people who are beyond understanding the real truth about God. The fact is that people frequently get converted out of their Christian faith including here on the TMB. And there are many people who have been converted out of their Christian forth who have demonstrated much greater levels of faith than you. As I’ve already pointed out the trend is very much from belief to non belief rather than from non belief to belief despite all the Jesus that is preached and all the power the Christian God supposedly has but consistently fails to demonstrate. Indeed using your argument one might well claim that no atheist or non believer who becomes a Christian was every a true atheist or non believer in the first place. Matt10 Its the same card the Bible plays...so good luck convincing any Christian to think critically "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." 1 John 2:19
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 0:51:17 GMT -5
I note that you’re playing the old ‘no true Scotsman card’ here much favoured by 2x2s. It’s always a losing card in any argument. The 2x2s claim that anyone who leaves the 2x2s never had a true revelation of God. If you are an ex 2x2 that means you have never had a true revelation of God. You’re therefore not a real Christian. How persuaded are you by that argument? I would suspect not very. Hardly surprising as it’s just silly. This argument is inevitably the last desperate act by religious groups trying to explain away the fact that people leave their group because of the huge flaws in the belief system. They cannot afford to accept the flaws in their belief system so they have to find a reason that allows them to justify the leaving to themselves without undermining their belief system. It’s an act of supreme self delusion. And it’s the same silly argument that you are making here when you claim that I haven’t converted anyone out of their faith who really had it. You’d be much closer to the truth if you claimed I haven’t converted anyone out of their faith who was suffering seriously high levels of religious conditioning for it is only such people who are beyond understanding the real truth about God. The fact is that people frequently get converted out of their Christian faith including here on the TMB. And there are many people who have been converted out of their Christian forth who have demonstrated much greater levels of faith than you. As I’ve already pointed out the trend is very much from belief to non belief rather than from non belief to belief despite all the Jesus that is preached and all the power the Christian God supposedly has but consistently fails to demonstrate. Indeed using your argument one might well claim that no atheist or non believer who becomes a Christian was every a true atheist or non believer in the first place. Matt10 Its the same card the Bible plays...so good luck convincing any Christian to think critically "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." 1 John 2:19 Remember no true Christian thinks critically. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 1:08:44 GMT -5
Its the same card the Bible plays...so good luck convincing any Christian to think critically "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." 1 John 2:19 Remember no true Christian thinks critically. Matt10 says the guy who rants, rails and raves about something he doesn't even believes exists...
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 1, 2020 2:24:27 GMT -5
Remember no true Christian thinks critically. Matt10 says the guy who rants, rails and raves about something he doesn't even believes exists... Says the guy who can't read articulately.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 8:54:17 GMT -5
says the guy who rants, rails and raves about something he doesn't even believes exists... Says the guy who can't read articulately. if its your bloviations that pass for reading material i can see why...
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 1, 2020 14:44:40 GMT -5
Says the guy who can't read articulately. if its your bloviations that pass for reading material i can see why...
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Post by Lee on Nov 3, 2020 7:28:17 GMT -5
You should visit democrat run cities here and see what an epidemic we are having with homelessness. I see it first of all as a spiritual problem originating from under performing family structures. At least Christianity generally promotes the traditional family. We have a lot of doctors too. TMB is a ghost town because most people don’t want to waste their time with loser communists and atheists. You haven’t converted anyone out of their faith if they really had it. I note that you’re playing the old ‘no true Scotsman card’ here much favoured by 2x2s. It’s always a losing card in any argument. The 2x2s claim that anyone who leaves the 2x2s never had a true revelation of God. If you are an ex 2x2 that means you have never had a true revelation of God. You’re therefore not a real Christian. How persuaded are you by that argument? I would suspect not very. Hardly surprising as it’s just silly. This argument is inevitably the last desperate act by religious groups trying to explain away the fact that people leave their group because of the huge flaws in the belief system. They cannot afford to accept the flaws in their belief system so they have to find a reason that allows them to justify the leaving to themselves without undermining their belief system. It’s an act of supreme self delusion. And it’s the same silly argument that you are making here when you claim that I haven’t converted anyone out of their faith who really had it. You’d be much closer to the truth if you claimed I haven’t converted anyone out of their faith who was suffering seriously high levels of religious conditioning for it is only such people who are beyond understanding the real truth about God. The fact is that people frequently get converted out of their Christian faith including here on the TMB. And there are many people who have been converted out of their Christian forth who have demonstrated much greater levels of faith than you. As I’ve already pointed out the trend is very much from belief to non belief rather than from non belief to belief despite all the Jesus that is preached and all the power the Christian God supposedly has but consistently fails to demonstrate. Indeed using your argument one might well claim that no atheist or non believer who becomes a Christian was ever a true atheist or non believer in the first place. Matt10 I entertain the truth that God is, that the world is systemically lost, in terms of it's idols, and in terms of its diabolical influence. And while the people God is saving don't always articulate their faith well, they nevertheless represent a different kind of person than you. I'm not a spiritual communist. I find that that belief results in political communism, which should be a no no to people whether they confess a faith or not. As for your Scotsman fallacy idea regarding 2x2ers' attitudes towards me or others leaving their group .. your idea that it is preposterous to think there are a people who are resolved, sealed in their faith, I would say they have more respect for other religious traditions than YOU have for religion in general. You suffer the fallacy of your own mentality, period. Your mind tells you: All people are atheists or would be, if they could only handle, if they could only know the truth like you do. "No true human being is a theist" .. to you, Marx, and other rapacious atheists.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 3, 2020 12:50:58 GMT -5
I note that you’re playing the old ‘no true Scotsman card’ here much favoured by 2x2s. It’s always a losing card in any argument. The 2x2s claim that anyone who leaves the 2x2s never had a true revelation of God. If you are an ex 2x2 that means you have never had a true revelation of God. You’re therefore not a real Christian. How persuaded are you by that argument? I would suspect not very. Hardly surprising as it’s just silly. This argument is inevitably the last desperate act by religious groups trying to explain away the fact that people leave their group because of the huge flaws in the belief system. They cannot afford to accept the flaws in their belief system so they have to find a reason that allows them to justify the leaving to themselves without undermining their belief system. It’s an act of supreme self delusion. And it’s the same silly argument that you are making here when you claim that I haven’t converted anyone out of their faith who really had it. You’d be much closer to the truth if you claimed I haven’t converted anyone out of their faith who was suffering seriously high levels of religious conditioning for it is only such people who are beyond understanding the real truth about God. The fact is that people frequently get converted out of their Christian faith including here on the TMB. And there are many people who have been converted out of their Christian forth who have demonstrated much greater levels of faith than you. As I’ve already pointed out the trend is very much from belief to non belief rather than from non belief to belief despite all the Jesus that is preached and all the power the Christian God supposedly has but consistently fails to demonstrate. Indeed using your argument one might well claim that no atheist or non believer who becomes a Christian was ever a true atheist or non believer in the first place. Matt10 I entertain the truth that God is, that the world is systemically lost, in terms of it's idols, and in terms of its diabolical influence. And while the people God is saving don't always articulate their faith well, they nevertheless represent a different kind of person than you. I'm not a spiritual communist. I find that that belief results in political communism, which should be a no no to people whether they confess a faith or not. As for your Scotsman fallacy idea regarding 2x2ers' attitudes towards me or others leaving their group .. your idea that it is preposterous to think there are a people who are resolved, sealed in their faith, I would say they have more respect for other religious traditions than YOU have for religion in general. You suffer the fallacy of your own mentality, period. Your mind tells you:c. to you, Marx, and other rapacious atheists. You just can't seem to understand the Communists and Atheists are NOT one & the same, can you, Lee?
You seem to have to believe any atheist also has to believe in the same political system. ...and of course, for or own comfort of mind, that political system has to be "communistic."
Well, I can tell you that trying to corral all atheists into any one belief system is like trying to herd a bunch of cats!
You can go ahead with believing that atheists are "rapacious" (aggressively greedy) if it makes you feel more righteous about you own beliefs. But your own materialistic values still show up in your posts.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 3, 2020 18:02:31 GMT -5
Something kind of makes me think of the "Wise Ass on the Mountain".
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Post by Lee on Nov 5, 2020 7:25:28 GMT -5
I entertain the truth that God is, that the world is systemically lost, in terms of it's idols, and in terms of its diabolical influence. And while the people God is saving don't always articulate their faith well, they nevertheless represent a different kind of person than you. I'm not a spiritual communist. I find that that belief results in political communism, which should be a no no to people whether they confess a faith or not. As for your Scotsman fallacy idea regarding 2x2ers' attitudes towards me or others leaving their group .. your idea that it is preposterous to think there are a people who are resolved, sealed in their faith, I would say they have more respect for other religious traditions than YOU have for religion in general. You suffer the fallacy of your own mentality, period. Your mind tells you:c. to you, Marx, and other rapacious atheists. You just can't seem to understand the Communists and Atheists are NOT one & the same, can you, Lee?
You seem to have to believe any atheist also has to believe in the same political system. ...and of course, for or own comfort of mind, that political system has to be "communistic."
Well, I can tell you that trying to corral all atheists into any one belief system is like trying to herd a bunch of cats!
You can go ahead with believing that atheists are "rapacious" (aggressively greedy) if it makes you feel more righteous about you own beliefs. But your own materialistic values still show up in your posts.
Those of us who believe in a creator are materialists. If everything were spiritual, what would there be to taste, touch, or feel? But we don't embrace the material world at the expense of our spiritual nature and most importantly God, who created all. An obscure christian once expressed it like: "I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do all this through him who gives me strength." ~~~~ Not all atheists are communists but all card carrying communists are atheists and devil worshipers. Salvation of the individual or a society arises from within, not from the jackbooted appendages of party ghouls.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 12:49:18 GMT -5
If I recall, the early church were communists?
Acts 4:32 Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. 33 And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. 34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold 35 and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need."
This was before the one true way called on them to meet in homes, naturally.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 12:55:15 GMT -5
If I recall, the early church were communists? Acts 4:32 Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. 33 And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. 34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold 35 and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need." This was before the one true way called on them to meet in homes, naturally. they mistakenly thought the Lord was going to return during their lifetime we are actually monarchists Christ is a prince and soon to be King that is a monarchy...
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Post by Gene on Nov 5, 2020 13:07:36 GMT -5
You just can't seem to understand the Communists and Atheists are NOT one & the same, can you, Lee?
You seem to have to believe any atheist also has to believe in the same political system. ...and of course, for or own comfort of mind, that political system has to be "communistic."
Well, I can tell you that trying to corral all atheists into any one belief system is like trying to herd a bunch of cats!
You can go ahead with believing that atheists are "rapacious" (aggressively greedy) if it makes you feel more righteous about you own beliefs. But your own materialistic values still show up in your posts.
Those of us who believe in a creator are materialists. If everything were spiritual, what would there be to taste, touch, or feel? But we don't embrace the material world at the expense of our spiritual nature and most importantly God, who created all. An obscure christian once expressed it like: "I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do all this through him who gives me strength." ~~~~ Not all atheists are communists but all card carrying communists are atheists and devil worshipers. Salvation of the individual or a society arises from within, not from the jackbooted appendages of party ghouls. How can there be such a thing as a devil-worshiping atheist? Seems to me anyone who worships a construct of theism (e.g. a devil) must be a theist.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 5, 2020 14:47:02 GMT -5
Those of us who believe in a creator are materialists. If everything were spiritual, what would there be to taste, touch, or feel? But we don't embrace the material world at the expense of our spiritual nature and most importantly God, who created all. An obscure christian once expressed it like: "I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do all this through him who gives me strength." ~~~~ Not all atheists are communists but all card carrying communists are atheists and devil worshipers. Salvation of the individual or a society arises from within, not from the jackbooted appendages of party ghouls. How can there be such a thing as a devil-worshiping atheist? Seems to me anyone who worships a construct of theism (e.g. a devil) must be a theist. It's called "self-taught" by an uneducated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 16:47:34 GMT -5
Those of us who believe in a creator are materialists. If everything were spiritual, what would there be to taste, touch, or feel? But we don't embrace the material world at the expense of our spiritual nature and most importantly God, who created all. An obscure christian once expressed it like: "I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do all this through him who gives me strength." ~~~~ Not all atheists are communists but all card carrying communists are atheists and devil worshipers. Salvation of the individual or a society arises from within, not from the jackbooted appendages of party ghouls. How can there be such a thing as a devil-worshiping atheist? Seems to me anyone who worships a construct of theism (e.g. a devil) must be a theist. A dyslexic atheist doesn't believe in Santa or in Dogs. I'm not sure what my point is, but then again, neither am I.
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Post by Lee on Nov 8, 2020 11:59:00 GMT -5
Those of us who believe in a creator are materialists. If everything were spiritual, what would there be to taste, touch, or feel? But we don't embrace the material world at the expense of our spiritual nature and most importantly God, who created all. An obscure christian once expressed it like: "I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do all this through him who gives me strength." ~~~~ Not all atheists are communists but all card carrying communists are atheists and devil worshipers. Salvation of the individual or a society arises from within, not from the jackbooted appendages of party ghouls. How can there be such a thing as a devil-worshiping atheist? Seems to me anyone who worships a construct of theism (e.g. a devil) must be a theist. God corresponds to the good, the true, and the beautiful. People worship lesser things, dependably.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 8, 2020 16:01:57 GMT -5
How can there be such a thing as a devil-worshiping atheist? Seems to me anyone who worships a construct of theism (e.g. a devil) must be a theist. God corresponds to the good, the true, and the beautiful. People worship lesser things, dependably. Ah, Lee, ...and the god of the bible which you believe in is a "God that corresponds to the good, the true, and the beautiful?"
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Post by Lee on Nov 9, 2020 23:44:31 GMT -5
I don't think you care about God one way or another. Only that you would never have to compete.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 10, 2020 1:33:30 GMT -5
I don't think you care about God one way or another. Only that you would never have to compete. Why would I even want to "compete" with someone I don't believes exists?
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Post by Lee on Nov 14, 2020 9:36:37 GMT -5
Why would you believe in someone or something you would reasonably defer to?
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Post by Lee on Nov 14, 2020 9:39:41 GMT -5
How can there be such a thing as a devil-worshiping atheist? Seems to me anyone who worships a construct of theism (e.g. a devil) must be a theist. It's called "self-taught" by an uneducated. Is this like badge-2x2ism? You don't pursue education for truth anymore than certain 2x2's pursue 2x2ism for truth, but for a badge?
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