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Post by Annan on Sept 3, 2020 13:20:26 GMT -5
You forgot worker worship and being policed by the workers. And don't let Waldo tell you tithing isn't an issue. I know from listening to my parents. They worried themselves sick that they were giving enough. We went without so that the workers could have. And, yes, that is the worker's fault. They didn't give a crap what families suffered financially as long as they were well fed. I'm glad I got out also. I was kicked out and disowned by my parents for refusing to attend meetings after I turned 18. No love there, but when did the workers ever preach love? Just look at Waldo to see what the 2x2 cult produced? Ugly frustrated violent old men. Sometimes when I read about the situations people talk about I question how much is a result of the religion they were affiliated with or the fact that the family would be identified as a dysfunctional family no matter to which religious group they belonged. You have a very valid point. My parents abused me using their religion as justification. I dated (and married) a man going through a divorce. His children hated me, as they couldn't bring themselves to hate their father. I realize that I am doing the same thing when it comes to my parents and their religion. Although I do hold my father accountable for his actions. I have been taking a hard look lately at what I feel and why. When I lash out at Nathan, I know there is cause behind it. Yeah, he is a bit much to take, but I ask myself why I care. Those being bullied often join with bullies to bully others. Why is that? I am humbled.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 3, 2020 18:59:00 GMT -5
You forgot worker worship and being policed by the workers. And don't let Waldo tell you tithing isn't an issue. I know from listening to my parents. They worried themselves sick that they were giving enough. We went without so that the workers could have. And, yes, that is the worker's fault. They didn't give a crap what families suffered financially as long as they were well fed. I'm glad I got out also. I was kicked out and disowned by my parents for refusing to attend meetings after I turned 18. No love there, but when did the workers ever preach love? Just look at Waldo to see what the 2x2 cult produced? Ugly frustrated violent old men. Sometimes when I read about the situations people talk about I question how much is a result of the religion they were affiliated with or the fact that the family would be identified as a dysfunctional family no matter to which religious group they belonged. DITTO
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Post by thelight on Sept 6, 2020 18:49:16 GMT -5
Still dodging Wally, more than 25 CSA offenders in Australia alone. Explain that. then i suggest that you all contact wingsfortruth so we can have an accurate number... I have contacted wingsfortruth on multiple occassions re: a convicted CSA offender - there in a post about him on TMB & Wings also have the script/text from the 60 Minutes segment where he is named (60 minutes also showed a photo of him during their segment). However, he is STILL NOT LISTED on their main offender list? I have received absolutely no response to any of my emails. I do not want to know how many others are not listed on there
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Sept 8, 2020 11:50:13 GMT -5
We will never have a true count , regarding all types of abuse . We absolutely have many who are afraid to speak out of their sexual abuse . We were brought up with this line Don’t ask don’t tell . It may buy you a ticket to hell . It is the lest reported crime .The stats are astounding
My oldest daughter will never have the chance to move forward in court regarding 2X2 her sexual abuse . We will tell it for her . Gone too soon
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Post by rational on Sept 8, 2020 23:06:28 GMT -5
We will never have a true count , regarding all types of abuse . We absolutely have many who are afraid to speak out of their sexual abuse . We were brought up with this line Don’t ask don’t tell . It may buy you a ticket to hell . It is the lest reported crime .The stats are astounding My oldest daughter will never have the chance to move forward in court regarding 2X2 her sexual abuse . We will tell it for her . Gone too soon I don't know if you have mentioned this or not but, briefly, what were the circumstances of your daughters abuse?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Sept 9, 2020 13:32:20 GMT -5
Rational , I still stumble on here still not sure how to use it this is a rough one to share . I am looking at her ashes for looking for a sign . She held that secret probably 28 years .
My parents had a lot of latitude with my girls . I usually partied on Saturday night. My parents supported us like that , a extra mom and dad . Thy always had the kids Sunday morning . With a lovely professing lady going to college helping or my parents .. They took my girls to convention at Didsbury with them . She has gone to convention with them Never did I ever let it cross my mind darkness waited f. Caroline professed at convention in 1990-1991 . She arrived home and told me seriously we would have to change . But Sunday arriving after home She was hanging somethings out in their rooms . She pasted 8X11 papers all over her room . All over . It named a person . 🔥 who names a man/child with the letter P . We ask her over and over what was this display was for . Silently she shared nothing . Not a whisper . We wish she would have told us . But there is a threat of fear , if she spoke . Something way , far worst may happen . She professed on Saturday night only to be assaulted Sunday . We missed all the signs , I should have known . She pulled all the papers down as I asked . I failed her . I should have watched closer for those tell tail action’s . Why had we never let that thought be entered . Sacred ground is a convention 1 would say and think 🤔 . For years I asked , no response from her lips . DON’T ASK DON’T TELL . When she finally spoke our bodies were chilled about 2-4 years ago . We failed her . I spoke his name as we doing something and words escaped from her . I know this man/child . However it finally came together . Out of respect we never spoke of this with her G&G to this day . I will never tell my mom . Sometimes it’s best to avoid . I have seen this person often , but again respect for her grandma . No lying here , I would have taken him out . at that point in my life . Not when her grandma is still here , never . will I . Jus sayin ! She is in a different place now with her grandpa . Safe ! I know she will be saved . Her acting out is now realized . Her dad took his life and we had no counselling . She was just left feeling the pain . She looked like a 15-16 year old girl by age 11 . By age 11 , she was in rehab , she graduated at 12 months & 4 days . .from AARC !
Did it last , nope ! We put her in youth centre where they tried to help her . She was hell bent for destruction . She was off the track and no coming back . We never had the drug of choice her choice in the home . Never did I use around them I didn’t at all , I would drink . But I made sure they were gone to G&G’s . Did her dads suicide cause her to act out YES , DID THE ABUSE SCARE HER YES The day after her dad’s funeral I became a alcoholic and she started more drugs . I had no idea but soon found a pipe in her room . Shortly after treatment she committed her first armed robbery . I testified against my daughter . For societies sake , 4 years she served . First day out she uses again and makes her way to Vancouver . Now she is free from addiction and fear and feeling less than and not walking the streets to feed her habit . She is safe in her grandpa’s arms . I cannot believe this yet . I stare at her urn and cry when alone . Alone , never around family .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Sept 9, 2020 13:37:26 GMT -5
She said we needed to change something’s after she professed . So I took her tv away !! Well that didn’t go so well 😆 May the universe treat her gently Sleep my child you are safe . Our hearts are broken How does one stop crying 😢
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Sept 9, 2020 13:41:15 GMT -5
OH my creator can I have her back even just one day , please just I am in a very dark space . I would truly like to die . I just cannot take anymore
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Sept 9, 2020 14:54:31 GMT -5
Sorry 😐 confused as to whom has contacted WINGS a few times ? I am not sure who is making that comment about a full count . I need this dumbed down . A accurate account ! WE WILL NEVER KNOW HOW MANY Does the count make it more acceptable !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Sept 9, 2020 19:50:03 GMT -5
A sample of a abused woman ! Another woman, who described Hoyte as a "monster," said she relives her assault like a video playing in slow motion in her head. Every little detail is highlighted, from the chairs in the waiting room to the pictures on the wall. I'm on guard all the time and the feeling of being vulnerable never goes away. This is mild but still brings the same effect ! How many never speak of It ? How many take their lives . We will never know how many suffered . That point is muted . It’s not number it’s a HUMAN BEING ! Why do you need stats !! How would that help ? SMFH
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Post by ellie on Sept 11, 2020 7:34:03 GMT -5
when someone says something is common such as CSA in the 2x2's it would be most helpful to be accurate... Common would be in relation to the population in general. How common is CSA in the general population? Since the majority of CSA is by a relative or close acquaintance considering membership in any organization to be a primary cause might be misleading. Even with all of the press and investigation into, for example, the abuse in the Catholic church, the abuse rate related to the church and its staff was well below the rate in the general population. The Aussie Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse found 7% of Catholic priests in Australia between 1950 and 2010 were accused of CSA. Of the victims 78% were male. I don't know what the rate in the general population is but I'm guessing not that high. Particularly not if we had rates for abusers of male children.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 19, 2020 23:55:39 GMT -5
The only difference between a cult and a church is the size of the congregation.
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Post by rational on Sept 20, 2020 10:09:01 GMT -5
The only difference between a cult and a church is the size of the congregation. The only difference between a cult and a religion/church is whether or not their views agree with yours.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 14:07:55 GMT -5
The only difference between a cult and a religion/church is whether or not their views agree with yours. And on rare ocasions, there will be none that support ones views so they work at ‘changing a church’ to adopt their views. Futile but true, if you read on here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 9:43:59 GMT -5
Few people in a cult think they're in a cult.
It's a cult. The harm it does is profound. Since their shtick is "no organization", it's reasonable that some people will not experience some of the evil, just as some people will not experience some of the good. For there is good in it, insomuch as the people themselves are good people (as most are).
The harm comes when evil arises. There traditionally have been no protocols for dealing with the evildoers, and thus the lack of organization has allowed evil to go unchecked. Also, a lot of the harm has been perpetuated by the workers themselves. When the shepherds are villains, what hope have the sheep?
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