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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 20, 2020 22:54:29 GMT -5
😂😂😂😂 Coming from someone whos God is Frank Stranges !!! 😂😂😂 I told you many times before Frank Stranges is NOT my God but Jesus Christ is my God and Savior. why? can't you get that straight for goodness sake. Are you on the broken record mode, again? nathan you are proving over and over again on here with your comments about Stranges that you worship him and believe him over common sense. The only broken record is your copy and pastes of your God (Stranges)
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Post by nathan on Jul 20, 2020 22:57:18 GMT -5
How you are fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! (Isa. 14:12) • Morning star, most commonly used as a name for the planet Venus when it appears in the east before sunrise.
Lucifer was Son of the dawn the morning star= Venus. He was one of God's brightest angels of God because of Pride and greed wanting to be God, he was cast out of heaven/Venus down to the ground Earth planet as his prison and home for temporary dwelling place before the GREAT Judgment day.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 20, 2020 23:35:53 GMT -5
Then how do you account for these verses?
I have posted them several times now and you have not answered.Matthew 25:40-41 40. And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Perhaps you should look?. Jude is a good place to start. Are you going to answer any of mine, Or is it still a one way street. I am asking YOU, Chuck! Not a referral to Jude! You are the presenting an altogether different interpretation of what I know as a former 2x2 that we believed and you are evading answering my question!
If you really believe what you claim while you are still in the fellowship of the 2x2's you should be able to answer without throwing the argument back to what I believe now!
You must not be able to accurately answer otherwise you why would keep expecting ME to give you answers?
It is NOT a two way street!
I wasn't the one making the statement, YOU are.
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Post by chuck on Jul 21, 2020 0:07:08 GMT -5
Perhaps you should look?. Jude is a good place to start. Are you going to answer any of mine, Or is it still a one way street. I am asking YOU, Chuck! Not a referral to Jude! You are the presenting an altogether different interpretation of what I know as a former 2x2 that we believed  and you are evading answering my question!
If you  really believe what you claim while you are still in the fellowship of the 2x2's you should be able to answer without throwing the argument back to what I believe now!
You must not be able to accurately answer otherwise you why would keep expecting ME to give you answers?
It is NOT a two way street!
I wasn't the one making the statement, YOU are.
I know your asking, at the current rate its like 10 to 1, are you above my questions?. Generally it's common decency to reply when someone asks you a question. Just because its in a online forum does not mean that gets thrown out the window. I gave you a referral to Jude. So I assume you've read it. Is Sodom and Gomorrah still literally burning?. What does association with 2x2 have to do with any of this. They're still normal human beings aren't they?, just because I disagree with 2x2ism does not mean I should shun them. I hope that's not what your angle is. Im confused as to why this should be a problem, haven't you read what Ive been saying lately?.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 21, 2020 1:14:29 GMT -5
I am asking YOU, Chuck! Not a referral to Jude! You are the presenting an altogether different interpretation of what I know as a former 2x2 that we believed and you are evading answering my question!
If you really believe what you claim while you are still in the fellowship of the 2x2's you should be able to answer without throwing the argument back to what I believe now!
You must not be able to accurately answer otherwise you why would keep expecting ME to give you answers?
It is NOT a two way street!
I wasn't the one making the statement, YOU are.
I know your asking, at the current rate its like 10 to 1, are you above my questions?. Generally it's common decency to reply when someone asks you a question. Just because its in a online forum does not mean that gets thrown out the window. I gave you a referral to Jude. So I assume you've read it. Is Sodom and Gomorrah still literally burning?. What does association with 2x2 have to do with any of this. They're still normal human beings aren't they?, just because I disagree with 2x2ism does not mean I should shun them. I hope that's not what your angle is. I'm confused as to why this should be a problem, haven't you read what I've been saying lately?. Chuck, I am an ATHEIST. Didn't you know that?
Atheism is an absence of belief in the existence of deities. All GODS! Period!
Doesn't that answer your questions about what I believe?
Yes, -you can certainly assume that I have read Jude and all the rest of the bible as would a good believer in what we called THE TRUTH. (called here the 2x2's)
As a 3rd generation on my mother's side and a 2nd generation on my father's side and my father having been in the work and I was a believer for at least 40 years of my own life.
And yes, I have read what you have been saying lately and I have read everything that you have written before.
What your being a 2x2 has to do with this conversation is that your believe is so averse & contrary to what they believe. No one that I know in THE TRUTH believes as you do!
Now do you understand why I am confused? Do you express what you believe about the resurrection of Jesus in meetings?
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Post by chuck on Jul 21, 2020 1:20:07 GMT -5
I know your asking, at the current rate its like 10 to 1, are you above my questions?. Generally it's common decency to reply when someone asks you a question. Just because its in a online forum does not mean that gets thrown out the window. I gave you a referral to Jude. So I assume you've read it. Is Sodom and Gomorrah still literally burning?. What does association with 2x2 have to do with any of this. They're still normal human beings aren't they?, just because I disagree with 2x2ism does not mean I should shun them. I hope that's not what your angle is. I'm confused as to why this should be a problem, haven't you read what I've been saying lately?. Chuck, I am an ATHEIST. Didn't you know that?
Atheism is an absence of belief in the existence of deities. All GODS! Period!
Doesn't that answer your questions about what I believe?
Yes, -you can certainly assume that I have read Jude and all the rest of the bible as would a good believer in what we called THE TRUTH. (called here the 2x2's)
As a 3rd generation on my mother's side and a 2nd generation on my father's side and my father having been in the work and I was a believer for at least 40 years of my own life.
And yes, I have read what you have been saying lately and I have read everything that you have written before.Â
What your being a 2x2 has to do with this conversation is that your believe is so averse & contrary to what they believe. No one that I know in THE TRUTH believes as you do!
Now do you understand why I am confused? Do you express what you believe about the resurrection of Jesus in meetings?Is Sodom and Gomorrah still burning?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 21, 2020 1:32:11 GMT -5
Chuck, I am an ATHEIST. Didn't you know that?
Atheism is an absence of belief in the existence of deities. All GODS! Period!
Doesn't that answer your questions about what I believe?
Yes, -you can certainly assume that I have read Jude and all the rest of the bible as would a good believer in what we called THE TRUTH. (called here the 2x2's)
As a 3rd generation on my mother's side and a 2nd generation on my father's side and my father having been in the work and I was a believer for at least 40 years of my own life.
And yes, I have read what you have been saying lately and I have read everything that you have written before.
What your being a 2x2 has to do with this conversation is that your believe is so averse & contrary to what they believe. No one that I know in THE TRUTH believes as you do!
Now do you understand why I am confused? Do you express what you believe about the resurrection of Jesus in meetings? Is Sodom and Gomorrah still burning? Just can't answer can you, Chuck?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 21, 2020 1:42:17 GMT -5
Is Sodom and Gomorrah still burning? Answer her question. She isn't asking if Jesus is still rising from the grave.
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Post by chuck on Jul 21, 2020 1:51:26 GMT -5
Is Sodom and Gomorrah still burning? Answer her question. She isn't asking if Jesus is still rising from the grave. No way Bob. It's like 10 to 1. I have been more than fair. Unless your going to do it?. You may have to go back through many posts though.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 21, 2020 1:56:06 GMT -5
Answer her question. She isn't asking if Jesus is still rising from the grave. No way Bob. It's like 10 to 1. I have been more than fair. Unless your going to do it?. You may have to go back through many posts though. They don't answer that question.
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Post by chuck on Jul 21, 2020 1:56:11 GMT -5
Is Sodom and Gomorrah still burning? Just can't answer can you, Chuck? Â When do I ever not try to answer your questions. I would think it was common decency for you to do the same.
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Post by chuck on Jul 21, 2020 1:58:47 GMT -5
No way Bob. It's like 10 to 1. I have been more than fair. Unless your going to do it?. You may have to go back through many posts though. They don't answer that question. you mean any questions Bob.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 21, 2020 2:06:35 GMT -5
They don't answer that question. you mean any questions Bob. No -- THAT one question.
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Post by chuck on Jul 21, 2020 2:12:36 GMT -5
you mean any questions Bob. No -- THAT one question. If your referring to this question, "Is Sodom and Gomorrah still literally burning" I unsure why they couldn't who ever they is?.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 21, 2020 3:29:17 GMT -5
Answer her question. She isn't asking if Jesus is still rising from the grave. No way Bob. It's like 10 to 1. I have been more than fair. Unless your going to do it?. You may have to go back through many posts though. What has fair got to do with anything?
You state you are indeed in THE TRUTH (2X2'S) and you make statements as to what you believe that are antithetical and incompatible to what the bible states and also not what is believed by those professing and you want ME to answer your questions!
I have no inclination nor feeling of obligation to answer your questions as to what I believe!
I have no desire to get into a discussion on the bible.
I only wonder how you manage to hold such beliefs and remain professing to be in THE TRUTH, - or for that matter, call yourself a Christian.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 21, 2020 4:06:48 GMT -5
How you are fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! (Isa. 14:12) • Morning star, most commonly used as a name for the planet Venus when it appears in the east before sunrise.Lucifer was Son of the dawn the morning star= Venus. He was one of God's brightest angels of God because of Pride and greed wanting to be God, he was cast out of heaven/Venus down to the ground Earth planet as his prison and home for temporary dwelling place before the GREAT Judgment day.
Yes and we should also remember:
Ainulindalë ("The Music of the Ainur"), takes the form of a primary creation narrative. Eru ("The One"), also called Ilúvatar ("Father of All"), first created the Ainur, a group of eternal spirits or demiurges, called "the offspring of his thought". Ilúvatar brought the Ainur together and showed them a theme, from which he bade them make a great music. Melkor – whom Ilúvatar had given the "greatest power and knowledge" of all the Ainur – broke from the harmony of the music to develop his own song. Some Ainur joined him, while others continued to follow Ilúvatar, causing discord in the music. This happened three times, with Eru Ilúvatar successfully overpowering his rebellious subordinate with a new theme each time. Ilúvatar then stopped the music and showed them a vision of Arda and its peoples. The vision disappeared, and Ilúvatar offered the Ainur the opportunity to enter into Arda and govern the new world. ...from the Simarillion by J.R.R. Tolkien
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Post by nathan on Jul 21, 2020 8:37:36 GMT -5
• Morning star, most commonly used as a name for the planet Venus when it appears in the east before sunrise.Lucifer was Son of the dawn the morning star= Venus. He was one of God's brightest angels of God because of Pride and greed wanting to be God, he was cast out of heaven/Venus down to the ground Earth planet as his prison and home for temporary dwelling place before the GREAT Judgment day. Yes and we should also remember:Ainulindalë ("The Music of the Ainur"), takes the form of a primary creation narrative. Eru ("The One"), also called Ilúvatar ("Father of All"), first created the Ainur, a group of eternal spirits or demiurges, called "the offspring of his thought". Ilúvatar brought the Ainur together and showed them a theme, from which he bade them make a great music. Melkor – whom Ilúvatar had given the "greatest power and knowledge" of all the Ainur – broke from the harmony of the music to develop his own song. Some Ainur joined him, while others continued to follow Ilúvatar, causing discord in the music. This happened three times, with Eru Ilúvatar successfully overpowering his rebellious subordinate with a new theme each time. Ilúvatar then stopped the music and showed them a vision of Arda and its peoples. The vision disappeared, and Ilúvatar offered the Ainur the opportunity to enter into Arda and govern the new world. ...from the Simarillion by J.R.R. Tolkien ~~ You must understand J.R.R. tolkien took what is in the Bible on the Godhead= Father, Christ and the fallen angels and he made or interpreted it into his own fantasy world books of series. Remember, the Bible came first then J.R.R Tolkien got his own fantasy books of series from the stories in the Bible.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 21, 2020 12:14:08 GMT -5
I'm shocked that you of all people would casually dismiss Tolkien's detailed accounts as fantasy fiction, Nathan. Don't you know that they discovered fossilized skeletons of the Hobbits in Indonesia? www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/science/hobbit-fossils-flores.htmlI assume the elves are really Venusian, similar to Valiant Thor.
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Post by nathan on Jul 21, 2020 13:57:45 GMT -5
I'm shocked that you of all people would casually dismiss Tolkien's detailed accounts as fantasy fiction, Nathan. Don't you know that they discovered fossilized skeletons of the Hobbits in Indonesia? www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/science/hobbit-fossils-flores.htmlI assume the elves are really Venusian, similar to Valiant Thor. *** Yes, I have heard the existence of the elves but they are NOTHING like The Holy angels looking humans of God, the Venusians. In the Old Test. One human looking angel/Venusian killed 185,000 Assyrians solders in 1 night. The elves are NOTHING like the Venusians army of God.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 21, 2020 16:30:19 GMT -5
If your referring to this question, "Is Sodom and Gomorrah still literally burning" I unsure why they couldn't who ever they is?. I think you've lost track of the question. Maybe on purpose.
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Post by chuck on Jul 22, 2020 3:21:03 GMT -5
If your referring to this question, "Is Sodom and Gomorrah still literally burning" I unsure why they couldn't who ever they is?. I think you've lost track of the question. Maybe on purpose. Well perhaps you should not be so vague.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 22, 2020 3:41:06 GMT -5
I think you've lost track of the question. Maybe on purpose. Well perhaps you should not be so vague. ... or could it be that you are at loss for words?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 22, 2020 4:13:58 GMT -5
I think you've lost track of the question. Maybe on purpose. Well perhaps you should not be so vague. Vague? I made sure the question appeared in the post where I was asking about it. Can't help you with that one.
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Post by chuck on Jul 22, 2020 4:36:44 GMT -5
No way Bob. It's like 10 to 1. I have been more than fair. Unless your going to do it?. You may have to go back through many posts though. What has fair got to do with anything?
You state you are indeed in THE TRUTH (2X2'S) and you make statements as to what you believe that are antithetical and incompatible to what the bible states and also not what is believed by those professing and you want ME to answer your questions!
I have no inclination nor feeling of obligation to answer your questions as to what I believe!
I have no desire to get into a discussion on the bible.
I only wonder how you manage to hold such beliefs and remain professing to be in THE TRUTH, - or for that matter, call yourself a Christian.Fair in dialogue is what you are not in this thread, And when its not how you like it you say this, it's not the first time either. Its a cop out. "I have no inclination nor feeling of obligation to answer your questions as to what I believe! I have no desire to get into a discussion on the bible" Generally in dialogue it goes both ways and its common decency to respond to a question.... the internet is a good way to dodge common decency. For someone who doesn't want to discuss the bible you sure do have a lot to say about the bible. This all started with a question from you about the bible..... you say im incompatible with the bible.... If you dont want to discuss the bible stop talking about the bibe.... Back up your antithetical and incompatible statmemt. From all your TRUTH, professing, 2x2's language you seem to struggle how I can associate with them and it almost seems as if you would be happier if I left them or towed the 2x2ism line. Like I tell Nathan it's just a lable or banner. The people underneath it are human beings and I will no way shun them because of their label or what they believe or what I disagree with, that's not how to treat people. Since you wont answer I will. No Sodom and Gomorrah is not still literally burning. So why would I think that it was literal eternal fire in Matthew 25. And the Hebrew people thought of Purifying when fire was mentioned, and eternal life or punishment way a way of life not literally physically like you read it or think I should read it because I fall under the 2x2 banner.
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Post by chuck on Jul 22, 2020 4:39:08 GMT -5
Well perhaps you should not be so vague. Vague? I made sure the question appeared in the post where I was asking about it. Can't help you with that one. What was the point of your post Bob
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 22, 2020 8:55:53 GMT -5
chuck - You may have stated this earlier and I missed it. Wondering how long have you been professing? Were you born and raised in a 2x2 home?
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Post by chuck on Jul 22, 2020 14:18:25 GMT -5
chuck - You may have stated this earlier and I missed it. Wondering how long have you been professing? Were you born and raised in a 2x2 home? Around 20 years and yes raised in a 2x2 home.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 22, 2020 15:51:07 GMT -5
What has fair got to do with anything?
You state you are indeed in THE TRUTH (2X2'S) and you make statements as to what you believe that are antithetical and incompatible to what the bible states and also not what is believed by those professing and you want ME to answer your questions!
I have no inclination nor feeling of obligation to answer your questions as to what I believe!
I have no desire to get into a discussion on the bible.
I only wonder how you manage to hold such beliefs and remain professing to be in THE TRUTH, - or for that matter, call yourself a Christian. Fair in dialogue is what you are not in this thread, And when its not how you like it you say this, it's not the first time either. Its a cop out. "I have no inclination nor feeling of obligation to answer your questions as to what I believe! I have no desire to get into a discussion on the bible" Generally in dialogue it goes both ways and its common decency to respond to a question.... the internet is a good way to dodge common decency. For someone who doesn't want to discuss the bible you sure do have a lot to say about the bible. This all started with a question from you about the bible..... you say im incompatible with the bible.... If you dont want to discuss the bible stop talking about the bibe.... Back up your antithetical and incompatible statmemt. From all your TRUTH, professing, 2x2's language you seem to struggle how I can associate with them and it almost seems as if you would be happier if I left them or towed the 2x2ism line. Like I tell Nathan it's just a lable or banner. The people underneath it are human beings and I will no way shun them because of their label or what they believe or what I disagree with, that's not how to treat people. Since you wont answer I will. No Sodom and Gomorrah is not still literally burning. So why would I think that it was literal eternal fire in Matthew 25. And the Hebrew people thought of Purifying when fire was mentioned, and eternal life or punishment way a way of life not literally physically like you read it or think I should read it because I fall under the 2x2 banner. Chuck, You made statements about what you believed concerning what certain bible passages meant. Right?
They were not what the bible actually said nor what the 2x2's believe.
You kept asking ME what I thought the those passages meant.
As an atheist, I don't believe in miracles and certainly not the Jesus was dead for three days and the came back to life and eventually was physically taken up into the sky!
As an atheist why would I even debate with you back & forth the intricacies of a story that I didn't believe was accurate to start with and may not have even happened, -certainly not in the way it was told.
Chuck, Don't make assumptions about what I would be " happier " with as to your relationship to the people in the fellowship.
Your beliefs stated here is incompatible with the beliefs in fellowship that I knew and I doubt very much they would be exceptable now if expressed to the workers as you have stated them here
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