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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 15:13:38 GMT -5
** And you don't take verses out of context, Ok. How is quoting Jesus' command to turn the other cheek taking verses out of context? ** You have to take Jesus verses and Paul verse to make sense out of thing.
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 15:23:23 GMT -5
** Thanks, that is a good one. Well, the Vaudois, Waldenses, Albigenses, and of those like them through 1500 years fought back the RCC and the crusaders for killing them and their families. They didn't let those cruel Catholics Popes and Crusaders take advantage of their goodness but they defend themselves with all kinds of weapons to protect themselves and their families. People like to take verses out of context, you see them do it on TMB all the time. They want the 2x2s to be like doormats by using this verse or that so they can walk on us! Whenever they want. I don't think so! Isaiah:53:7 He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth. ** Fixit, it was foretold Jesus 1st coming as the Lamb of God to fulfill scriptures about Him but when he RETURNS as the KING of kings he will be like a lion from the tribe of Judah... Nobody is going to spit on him, hit him, slap him or stab him again. Pay back time! Read Jude 14-15.
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Post by fixit on Jul 12, 2020 15:37:27 GMT -5
Isaiah:53:7 He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth. ** Fixit, it was foretold Jesus 1st coming as the Lamb of God to fulfill scriptures about Him but when he RETURNS as the KING of kings he will be like a lion from the tribe of Judah... Nobody is going to spit on him, hit him, slap him or stab him again. Pay back time! Read Jude 14-15. Will you be his Deputy?
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Post by Grant on Jul 12, 2020 15:42:24 GMT -5
www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.htmlA word about the “slap” that Jesus says we should endure. Jesus here speaks of personal slights of any kind. The slap (or the “smiting,” as the KJV has it) does not have to involve literal, physical violence. Even in our day, a “slap in the face” is a metaphor for an unexpected insult or offense. Did someone insult you? Let him, Jesus says. Are you shocked and offended? Don’t be. And don’t return insult for insult. Turn the other cheek. *** I turned the other cheek for 20 yrs, being very patience, and kind now no more cheek to turn to so, time to fight back with both hands and feet and still be nice about it. No more doormat! For people to walk on. What you call being patient is not what others would call being patient unless you call condemning everyone who does not believe as you do to hell, as being patient.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 12, 2020 15:45:27 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but you have FOUR cheeks.
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Post by Grant on Jul 12, 2020 15:45:48 GMT -5
** Fixit, it was foretold Jesus 1st coming as the Lamb of God to fulfill scriptures about Him but when he RETURNS as the KING of kings he will be like a lion from the tribe of Judah... Nobody is going to spit on him, hit him, slap him or stab him again. Pay back time! Read Jude 14-15. Will you be his Deputy? The devil goes around like a roaring lion seeking those he can devour. 1 Peter 5 v 8.
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Post by Grant on Jul 12, 2020 15:49:52 GMT -5
How is quoting Jesus' command to turn the other cheek taking verses out of context? ** You have to take Jesus verses and Paul verse to make sense out of things In other words pick and choose what ever words suit your fancy and if there's none in the Bible then get them from other sources that were omitted from the Bible to nullify Jesus' words.
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 16:03:23 GMT -5
** Fixit, it was foretold Jesus 1st coming as the Lamb of God to fulfill scriptures about Him but when he RETURNS as the KING of kings he will be like a lion from the tribe of Judah... Nobody is going to spit on him, hit him, slap him or stab him again. Pay back time! Read Jude 14-15. Will you be his Deputy? ** NOT just me but ALL of the believers will RULE and REIGN with Christ during the 1000 yrs on earth.
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Post by fixit on Jul 12, 2020 16:10:41 GMT -5
** You have to take Jesus verses and Paul verse to make sense out of things In other words pick and choose what ever words suit your fancy and if there's none in the Bible then get them from other sources that were omitted from the Bible to nullify Jesus' words. Not forgetting science fiction and conspiracy theories. YouTube is Nathan's bible supplement.
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 16:15:13 GMT -5
** You have to take Jesus verses and Paul verse to make sense out of things In other words pick and choose what ever words suit your fancy and if there's none in the Bible then get them from other sources that were omitted from the Bible to nullify Jesus' words. ** Nope, use the brain God has given us. Be good doers but don't let people take advantage or walk over us in anyway. When Jesus returns he will NOT turn the other cheek and let others stomp on him like the last time he was here on earth. He will show his enemies NO mercy! Read Jude 14-15.
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Post by Annan on Jul 12, 2020 16:28:01 GMT -5
In other words pick and choose what ever words suit your fancy and if there's none in the Bible then get them from other sources that were omitted from the Bible to nullify Jesus' words. ** Nope, use the brain God has given you. Be good doers but don't let people take advantage of you in anyway. When Jesus returns he will NOT turn the other cheek and let others stomp on him like the last time he was here on earth. He will show his enemies NO mercy! Read Jude 14-15. Wow! Jesus sounds like a very vengeful guy, but then the old testament is full of bloody vengeful acts of violence directed and condoned by god. Like father, like son. I'm confused. So we are to ignore Jesus's words about turning the other cheek? The scriptures sure contradict themselves. You need to give up sniffing petrol and get a job you're more suited for like cheery picking.
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Post by fixit on Jul 12, 2020 16:34:35 GMT -5
When Jesus returns he will NOT turn the other cheek and let others stomp on him like the last time he was here on earth. He will show his enemies NO mercy! Read Jude 14-15. Nathan, you reek of judgement without mercy. You don't know what spirit you are of. Read the rest of Jude... 20 But you, dear friends, must build each other up in your most holy faith, pray in the power of the Holy Spirit, 21 and await the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will bring you eternal life. In this way, you will keep yourselves safe in God’s love. 22 And you must show mercy to those whose faith is wavering. 23 Rescue others by snatching them from the flames of judgment. Show mercy to still others, but do so with great caution, hating the sins that contaminate their lives.
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Post by fixit on Jul 12, 2020 16:44:29 GMT -5
** Nope, use the brain God has given you. Be good doers but don't let people take advantage of you in anyway. When Jesus returns he will NOT turn the other cheek and let others stomp on him like the last time he was here on earth. He will show his enemies NO mercy! Read Jude 14-15. Wow! Jesus sounds like a very vengeful guy, but then the old testament is full of bloody vengeful acts of violence directed and condoned by god. Like father, like son. I'm confused. So we are to ignore Jesus's words about turning the other cheek? The scriptures sure contradict themselves. You need to give up sniffing petrol and get a job you're more suited for like cheery picking. Mahatma Gandhi had a much better understanding of authentic Christianity than Nathan and Wally. “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 16:58:42 GMT -5
Wow! Jesus sounds like a very vengeful guy, but then the old testament is full of bloody vengeful acts of violence directed and condoned by god. Like father, like son. I'm confused. So we are to ignore Jesus's words about turning the other cheek? The scriptures sure contradict themselves. You need to give up sniffing petrol and get a job you're more suited for like cheery picking. Mahatma Gandhi had a much better understanding of authentic Christianity than Nathan and Wally. “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” and you do? don't make me laugh....
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 17:00:42 GMT -5
** Nope, use the brain God has given you. Be good doers but don't let people take advantage of you in anyway. When Jesus returns he will NOT turn the other cheek and let others stomp on him like the last time he was here on earth. He will show his enemies NO mercy! Read Jude 14-15. Wow! Jesus sounds like a very vengeful guy, but then the old testament is full of bloody vengeful acts of violence directed and condoned by god. Like father, like son. I'm confused. So we are to ignore Jesus's words about turning the other cheek? The scriptures sure contradict themselves. You need to give up sniffing petrol and get a job you're more suited for like cheery picking. *** Like I wrote already I believe Jesus wants His people to be good doers, be kind and help to people but DONT let them take an advantage of us/believers or walk all over us like door mats. You like to take things/verses out of context. You better NOT be on the WRONG side of the fence when Jesus returns, he will NOT be nice guy this time.
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Post by fixit on Jul 12, 2020 17:13:19 GMT -5
Wow! Jesus sounds like a very vengeful guy, but then the old testament is full of bloody vengeful acts of violence directed and condoned by god. Like father, like son. I'm confused. So we are to ignore Jesus's words about turning the other cheek? The scriptures sure contradict themselves. You need to give up sniffing petrol and get a job you're more suited for like cheery picking. *** Like I wrote already I believe Jesus wants His people to be good doers, be kind and help to people but DONT let them take an advantage of you or walk all over you like door mat. You like to take things/verses out of context. You better NOT be on the WRONG side of the fence when Jesus returns, he will NOT be nice guy this time. Read the gospels again Nathan. Jesus spoke harshly only to religious oppressors. People like you and Wally. Not to publicans, sinners, Atheists or witches.
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 17:24:41 GMT -5
*** Like I wrote already I believe Jesus wants His people to be good doers, be kind and help to people but DONT let them take an advantage of you or walk all over you like door mat. You like to take things/verses out of context. You better NOT be on the WRONG side of the fence when Jesus returns, he will NOT be nice guy this time. Read the gospels again Nathan. Jesus spoke harshly only to religious oppressors. People like you and Wally. Not to publicans, sinners, Atheists or witches. *** You too need to read the gospels and the apostles has warned us about false teachers who don't Believe Jesus is God; the deity of Christ and Christ to be worship like God Father and Holy Spirit.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 12, 2020 17:25:55 GMT -5
*** Like I wrote already I believe Jesus wants His people to be good doers, be kind and help to people but DONT let them take an advantage of you or walk all over you like door mat. You like to take things/verses out of context. You better NOT be on the WRONG side of the fence when Jesus returns, he will NOT be nice guy this time. Read the gospels again Nathan. Jesus spoke harshly only to religious oppressors. People like you and Wally. Not to publicans, sinners, Atheists or witches. Luckily the gospels weren't the final word. We have the rest of the New Testament including all the lovely chapters of Revelation. Wally and Nathan remind me the most of how Paul wrote. Like in Romans Chapter 1....just look at the seething hatred and contempt: "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."
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Post by fixit on Jul 12, 2020 17:31:55 GMT -5
...they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." No love, no mercy.
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 12, 2020 17:34:57 GMT -5
In other words pick and choose what ever words suit your fancy and if there's none in the Bible then get them from other sources that were omitted from the Bible to nullify Jesus' words. Not forgetting science fiction and conspiracy theories. YouTube is Nathan's bible supplement. I'm surprised he hasn't started preaching on YouTube too. ...or has he?!
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 12, 2020 17:46:16 GMT -5
i suggest to you that if you want nathan to stop attacking you all you all should probably stop attacking him hypocrite.... Amen, Wally... these TWO are the MOST 2x2s hypocrites down under I have ever seen in 40 plus years in the TRUTH. They egged me, poke at me, jabs and stab me in the backs, then turn around accused me these things that I started and they are NOT guilty any of these crimes themselves.
Review/worker, openingacts, the friends, you and others can see them through and through. So, I post these things that they have observed and write from reading their posts on here about them, then they get all twisted up and upset. They keep on poking the bear with a sharp stick and expect I just lay there and play dead for them to keep on poking and stabbing. Heck, no!
That is a pack of lies, and an extremely judgemental statement.
1) I came onto this forum as a member of the church, and one of my first posts after reading that Review, or whatever his non de plume was at the time, was to express gratitude for a worker having the honesty to be on here, and to be posting. At that stage I knew nothing about who he was, or any history of anyone. I got slammed by him for being condescending, and then after posting about some personal experiences, I got slammed again by him, and then he tried to find out who I was and where.
2) It was only after about two years of continually seeing the "Venus" posts and others being slammed for disagreeing, that I began to express by disagreement with those views as well.
3) I have never started a Venus discussion, and why would I? It was initiated by the writer himself, because it is what he believes.
4) Moon landing conspiracies, Presidential conspiracies etc, why would someone not express disagreement, especially when they have friends in the US who know Jimmy Carter, and George W Bush, and have entertained in the White House? I did not initiate these discussions, I called them out as being false, and the writer as being delusional.
5) I have seen Fixit, who is obviously intelligent and well read, being attacked, and having his character impugned, and I will go into Bat for Brother when I see that it is clearly wrong.
None of this makes me a hypocrite, so I reject your allegations and suggest that you take your Pharasaic attitudes somewhere else and have them dealt with by a power that is higher than you.
You obviously do not recognise Openingacts's satire, and giving credence to Review's opinions expressed on here hardly adds to any credibility.
Someone asked if Wally had offered but not been accepted into the work. I have no idea whether or not that would be true, but I can certainly see that his combative and argumentative style, and ascerbic tones would not make hm a suitable candidate for "getting along" with a companion or being a team player.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 17:47:56 GMT -5
*** Like I wrote already I believe Jesus wants His people to be good doers, be kind and help to people but DONT let them take an advantage of you or walk all over you like door mat. You like to take things/verses out of context. You better NOT be on the WRONG side of the fence when Jesus returns, he will NOT be nice guy this time. Read the gospels again Nathan. Jesus spoke harshly only to religious oppressors. People like you and Wally. Not to publicans, sinners, Atheists or witches. you need to read your bible again Jesus spoke out against all kinds of sins not just religious oppressors....
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 12, 2020 17:48:45 GMT -5
...they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." No love, no mercy. So then you agree that atheists, non Christians and homosexuals and all their supporters have no love, and no mercy within them and are worthy of death?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 17:54:06 GMT -5
Amen, Wally... these TWO are the MOST 2x2s hypocrites down under I have ever seen in 40 plus years in the TRUTH. They egged me, poke at me, jabs and stab me in the backs, then turn around accused me these things that I started and they are NOT guilty any of these crimes themselves.
Review/worker, openingacts, the friends, you and others can see them through and through. So, I post these things that they have observed and write from reading their posts on here about them, then they get all twisted up and upset. They keep on poking the bear with a sharp stick and expect I just lay there and play dead for them to keep on poking and stabbing. Heck, no!
That is a pack of lies, and an extremely judgemental statement.
1) I came onto this forum as a member of the church, and one of my first posts after reading that Review, or whatever his non de plume was at the time, was to express gratitude for a worker having the honesty to be on here, and to be posting. At that stage I knew nothing about who he was, or any history of anyone. I got slammed by him for being condescending, and then after posting about some personal experiences, I got slammed again by him, and then he tried to find out who I was and where.
2) It was only after about two years of continually seeing the "Venus" posts and others being slammed for disagreeing, that I began to express by disagreement with those views as well.
3) I have never started a Venus discussion, and why would I? It was initiated by the writer himself, because it is what he believes.
4) Moon landing conspiracies, Presidential conspiracies etc, why would someone not express disagreement, especially when they have friends in the US who know Jimmy Carter, and George W Bush, and have entertained in the White House? I did not initiate these discussions, I called them out as being false, and the writer as being delusional.
5) I have seen Fixit, who is obviously intelligent and well read, being attacked, and having his character impugned, and I will go into Bat for Brother when I see that it is clearly wrong.
None of this makes me a hypocrite, so I reject your allegations and suggest that you take your Pharasaic attitudes somewhere else and have them dealt with by a power that is higher than you.
You obviously do not recognise Openingacts's satire, and giving credence to Review's opinions expressed on here hardly adds to any credibility.
Someone asked if Wally had offered but not been accepted into the work. I have no idea whether or not that would be true, but I can certainly see that his combative and argumentative style, and ascerbic tones would not make hm a suitable candidate for "getting along" with a companion or being a team player.
me thinks thou doth protest too much...
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 18:00:54 GMT -5
Amen, Wally... these TWO are the MOST 2x2s hypocrites down under I have ever seen in 40 plus years in the TRUTH. They egged me, poke at me, jabs and stab me in the backs, then turn around accused me these things that I started and they are NOT guilty any of these crimes themselves.
Review/worker, openingacts, the friends, you and others can see them through and through. So, I post these things that they have observed and write from reading their posts on here about them, then they get all twisted up and upset. They keep on poking the bear with a sharp stick and expect I just lay there and play dead for them to keep on poking and stabbing. Heck, no!
That is a pack of lies, and an extremely judgemental statement.
1) I came onto this forum as a member of the church, and one of my first posts after reading that Review, or whatever his non de plume was at the time, was to express gratitude for a worker having the honesty to be on here, and to be posting. At that stage I knew nothing about who he was, or any history of anyone. I got slammed by him for being condescending, and then after posting about some personal experiences, I got slammed again by him, and then he tried to find out who I was and where.
2) It was only after about two years of continually seeing the "Venus" posts and others being slammed for disagreeing, that I began to express by disagreement with those views as well.
3) I have never started a Venus discussion, and why would I? It was initiated by the writer himself, because it is what he believes.
4) Moon landing conspiracies, Presidential conspiracies etc, why would someone not express disagreement, especially when they have friends in the US who know Jimmy Carter, and George W Bush, and have entertained in the White House? I did not initiate these discussions, I called them out as being false, and the writer as being delusional.
5) I have seen Fixit, who is obviously intelligent and well read, being attacked, and having his character impugned, and I will go into Bat for Brother when I see that it is clearly wrong.
None of this makes me a hypocrite, so I reject your allegations and suggest that you take your Pharasaic attitudes somewhere else and have them dealt with by a power that is higher than you.
You obviously do not recognise Openingacts's satire, and giving credence to Review's opinions expressed on here hardly adds to any credibility.
Someone asked if Wally had offered but not been accepted into the work. I have no idea whether or not that would be true, but I can certainly see that his combative and argumentative style, and ascerbic tones would not make hm a suitable candidate for "getting along" with a companion or being a team player.
*** You are welcome to share your things about what you know and I do the same on the same subject and let the readers be the judges of ours take on things. All openingacts did was collected many posts that Review/worker has written and obsevered on FIXIT for many years, the games he played on here. Wally, told us on TMB the reasons why his offered for the ministry was rejected by the overseer and he accepted their refusal reasons.
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Post by fixit on Jul 12, 2020 19:10:17 GMT -5
So then you agree that atheists, non Christians and homosexuals and all their supporters have no love, and no mercy within them and are worthy of death? Nope.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 12, 2020 19:43:09 GMT -5
So then you agree that atheists, non Christians and homosexuals and all their supporters have no love, and no mercy within them and are worthy of death? Nope. That's good. We'll get you switched over to atheist conventions yet. However, Defying a worker is very bad. Defying an overseer is horrible. Defying the Apostle Paul in the Bible while holding the position of elder? Yikes! Claiming that Jesus has a secret clubhouse in Venus is pretty minor stuff in comparison.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 12, 2020 19:46:03 GMT -5
That is a pack of lies, and an extremely judgemental statement.
1) I came onto this forum as a member of the church, and one of my first posts after reading that Review, or whatever his non de plume was at the time, was to express gratitude for a worker having the honesty to be on here, and to be posting. At that stage I knew nothing about who he was, or any history of anyone. I got slammed by him for being condescending, and then after posting about some personal experiences, I got slammed again by him, and then he tried to find out who I was and where.
2) It was only after about two years of continually seeing the "Venus" posts and others being slammed for disagreeing, that I began to express by disagreement with those views as well.
3) I have never started a Venus discussion, and why would I? It was initiated by the writer himself, because it is what he believes.
4) Moon landing conspiracies, Presidential conspiracies etc, why would someone not express disagreement, especially when they have friends in the US who know Jimmy Carter, and George W Bush, and have entertained in the White House? I did not initiate these discussions, I called them out as being false, and the writer as being delusional.
5) I have seen Fixit, who is obviously intelligent and well read, being attacked, and having his character impugned, and I will go into Bat for Brother when I see that it is clearly wrong.
None of this makes me a hypocrite, so I reject your allegations and suggest that you take your Pharasaic attitudes somewhere else and have them dealt with by a power that is higher than you.
You obviously do not recognise Openingacts's satire, and giving credence to Review's opinions expressed on here hardly adds to any credibility.
Someone asked if Wally had offered but not been accepted into the work. I have no idea whether or not that would be true, but I can certainly see that his combative and argumentative style, and ascerbic tones would not make hm a suitable candidate for "getting along" with a companion or being a team player.
*** You are welcome to share your things about what you know and I do the same on the same subject and let the readers be the judges of ours take on things. All openingacts did was collected many posts that Review/worker has written and obsevered on FIXIT for many years, the games he played on here. Wally, told us on TMB the reasons why his offered for the ministry was rejected by the overseer and he accepted their refusal reasons. The readers have already judged your posts to be a pack of lies. Review is quite a discredited worker, mainly because of his health issues taking over. I can understand why the USA overseer did not accept Wally as a worker.
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