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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 11, 2020 22:18:26 GMT -5
6/17/19 Mountain/RAM wrote: Anyway, I have to say that you are a very hard man to fool, Nathan. You meticulously research anything before you will believe it as fact. Such screening makes it very difficult to convince you of anything. I'm sure many on this board will share my views regarding your proneness to detail and doubting. Therefore I would strongly advise anyone who doubts anything that you post, that they likewise venture on the quest of meticulous research before doing so. You've set the standard. Let others follow. Consider Nathan. An extremely intelligent character, who carries out meticulous research before presenting his views on here. Basically he is second to none. Have you noticed that there are several atheists on this board and every time Nathan engages them he wipes the floor with their arguments. Have you ever considered that these atheists are mere concoctions of Nathan, whom he shoots down time and again with his views, leaving himself the master of the debate. Generally there is no contest. Nathan wins hands down every time. They have no answer to him. Have you ever wondered why that is?
You sure are gullible. You love to have your ego fed don't you, no matter how genuine the person is ...or isn't.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 11, 2020 22:18:44 GMT -5
6/17/19 Mountain/RAM wrote: Anyway, I have to say that you are a very hard man to fool, Nathan. You meticulously research anything before you will believe it as fact. Such screening makes it very difficult to convince you of anything. I'm sure many on this board will share my views regarding your proneness to detail and doubting. Therefore I would strongly advise anyone who doubts anything that you post, that they likewise venture on the quest of meticulous research before doing so. You've set the standard. Let others follow. Just as the gondolier seldom encounters rabbits in his pathway, so too let your detractors encounter discrepancy with what you present as genuine. Consider Nathan. An extremely intelligent character, who carries out meticulous research before presenting his views on here. Basically he is second to none. Have you noticed that there are several atheists on this board and every time Nathan engages them he wipes the floor with their arguments. Have you ever considered that these atheists are mere concoctions of Nathan, whom he shoots down time and again with his views, leaving himself the master of the debate. Generally there is no contest. Nathan wins hands down every time. They have no answer to him. Have you ever wondered why that is?
You obviously don't understand "sarcasm" or satire nathan !!! But of course you love the attention !
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Post by nathan on Jul 11, 2020 22:19:14 GMT -5
*** You better have good proof or you are just another gossiper. I double and triple checks my information before I posted. OMG.....this should be post of the week !!! So nathan thinks he knows more about fixit , than fixit does ! As for "triple checking " your information...well that is the biggest joke if the year ! 5/17/19 jetmech said: From what I've read, Roselyn, Jesus will come back like a thief in the night … no one knows when a thief in the night will be coming nor from what direction, nor to what location, etc. So, I can't say one way or the other. I can't outright say my friend is wrong about the Venus; but, I can say that from what I've read in the Bible it's highly unlikely. With that said, I believe too many times different ones on this board are tergiversatious in their thinking and communicating. Ever tried to hold a conversation with a tergiversate? You're wasting your time, because the tergiversate will NEVER agree with you on anything, and that's the very basis of being a tergiversate … never to agree, always to debate … it's a 'condition.' I admire Nathan, especially since he's an Asian, because he understands the English language as well as he does, and I admire the detail at which he understands biblical ideas and concepts after having grown up in Vietnam and moved to the USA and obviously self-taught himself so many things about our culture, adopting our ideas, and taking these things on himself. I don't agree with every little thing Nathan says; but, I can say honestly, I've learned more from Nathan about the Bible than I learned in gospel meeting during my entire childhood and adult life - before I met him on the board.
I believe if the tergiversates who constantly feign disagreement with Nate as a reason to constantly reply negative, would step back, take a breath, pause and contemplate, and "listen to understand" rather than "listen to reply" … they'd see many things to admire Nathan about.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 11, 2020 22:20:12 GMT -5
6/17/19 Mountain/RAM wrote: Anyway, I have to say that you are a very hard man to fool, Nathan. You meticulously research anything before you will believe it as fact. Such screening makes it very difficult to convince you of anything. I'm sure many on this board will share my views regarding your proneness to detail and doubting. Therefore I would strongly advise anyone who doubts anything that you post, that they likewise venture on the quest of meticulous research before doing so. You've set the standard. Let others follow. Consider Nathan. An extremely intelligent character, who carries out meticulous research before presenting his views on here. Basically he is second to none. Have you noticed that there are several atheists on this board and every time Nathan engages them he wipes the floor with their arguments. Have you ever considered that these atheists are mere concoctions of Nathan, whom he shoots down time and again with his views, leaving himself the master of the debate. Generally there is no contest. Nathan wins hands down every time. They have no answer to him. Have you ever wondered why that is?
You sure are gullible. You love to have your ego fed don't you, no matter how genuine the person is ...or isn't. Exactly ForeverFree ...its sad really !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 22:23:07 GMT -5
Some interesting reading today
Narcissistic personality
Some Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:
Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it Exaggerate achievements and talents Be preoccupied with fantasies Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations Take advantage of others to get what they want Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others Be envious of others and believe others envy them Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can: Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 11, 2020 22:24:05 GMT -5
OMG.....this should be post of the week !!! So nathan thinks he knows more about fixit , than fixit does ! As for "triple checking " your information...well that is the biggest joke if the year ! 5/17/19 jetmech said: From what I've read, Roselyn, Jesus will come back like a thief in the night … no one knows when a thief in the night will be coming nor from what direction, nor to what location, etc. So, I can't say one way or the other. I can't outright say my friend is wrong about the Venus; but, I can say that from what I've read in the Bible it's highly unlikely. With that said, I believe too many times different ones on this board are tergiversatious in their thinking and communicating. Ever tried to hold a conversation with a tergiversate? You're wasting your time, because the tergiversate will NEVER agree with you on anything, and that's the very basis of being a tergiversate … never to agree, always to debate … it's a 'condition.' I admire Nathan, especially since he's an Asian, because he understands the English language as well as he does, and I admire the detail at which he understands biblical ideas and concepts after having grown up in Vietnam and moved to the USA and obviously self-taught himself so many things about our culture, adopting our ideas, and taking these things on himself. I don't agree with every little thing Nathan says; but, I can say honestly, I've learned more from Nathan about the Bible than I learned in gospel meeting during my entire childhood and adult life - before I met him on the board.
I believe if the tergiversates who constantly feign disagreement with Nate as a reason to constantly reply negative, would step back, take a breath, pause and contemplate, and "listen to understand" rather than "listen to reply" … they'd see many things to admire Nathan about. And this proves what nathan ? We all know jetmech is one of your followers...but he doesn't believe JC lives in Venus, but then again he may have changed his mind !
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 11, 2020 22:25:58 GMT -5
Some interesting reading today
Narcissistic personality
Some Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can: Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it Exaggerate achievements and talents Be preoccupied with fantasies Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations Take advantage of others to get what they want Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others Be envious of others and believe others envy them Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can: Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation Thank you for posting that @seventy, something we all need to remember/ be aware of.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 12, 2020 0:41:24 GMT -5
You think its OK to damage someone's reputation as long as you were told the gossip is true? If you are that gullible its no wonder you get sucked into idiotic conspiracy theories. *** You better have good proof or you are just another gossiper. I double and triple checks my information before I posted. That's the best laugh I have had for a long time. If you really did check your information, you would find that it is full of lies and is a flea nest of hoax'es.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 12, 2020 1:35:45 GMT -5
Great singing for her age. It might be a good one for the next "Hymns Old and New".
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 12, 2020 2:23:28 GMT -5
Nathan, what you keep posting up about Fixit, from what Review wrote once, I find nothing short of disgusting, and most un-Christian like. Fixit keeps turning the other cheek, and only sporadically questioning whether or not you think thing your behaviour is ok.
Again, I find your behaviour on here disgusting. And Wally chipping in with cheap shots in support of your attacks isn't much better.
Irrespective of your misplaced conspiracy and Venus beliefs, it is your personal attacks on certain people hear that I have the biggest issue with.
You seem to be thinking that TMB is a platform for you to dominate and push your message, rather than a platform for all to contribute on as equals, whether in the church or out of it now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 3:43:58 GMT -5
Thanks Pragmatic for your consideration of ex's, greatly appreciated. TMB should serve as a connection between 2x2's and ex's. That is always a good thing there is much that we can share together. We need to respect each others right to be here.
TMB should never be used as a platform for a continuous Gospel Meeting. That would be very inappropriate. We all know that if you want to hear the Gospel it can only be from Workers at a time and place designated for that.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 12, 2020 5:31:51 GMT -5
We are just all humans Redback, subject to the same laws of physics, chemistry and biology. Those of us who believe in a Creator, have a common bond, but those who don’t still have the same human bond. I do not differentiate or judge, and prefer to let my life do the talking. Most things people get hung up on, are only opinions, and more so where there is no physical proof.
People who left the church did not do so for no reason. They had a reason, and in their eyes it was valid. Those who gave them reason to do so are more often than not the ones who need to do the soul searching, in my opinion. Yes, some just wanted total freedom to do what ever they wanted, but I think of a number for who overbearing elders or workers, helicopter elders, abusers, or religious police, would be still in the church. I believe it is worse in Oz, whereas here, things are quite good now.
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Post by Annan on Jul 12, 2020 6:06:16 GMT -5
So now Nathan keeps a "Praise Me" thread? Unreal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 7:02:01 GMT -5
Nathan, what you keep posting up about Fixit, from what Review wrote once, I find nothing short of disgusting, and most un-Christian like. Fixit keeps turning the other cheek, and only sporadically questioning whether or not you think thing your behaviour is ok. Again, I find your behaviour on here disgusting. And Wally chipping in with cheap shots in support of your attacks isn't much better. Irrespective of your misplaced conspiracy and Venus beliefs, it is your personal attacks on certain people hear that I have the biggest issue with. You seem to be thinking that TMB is a platform for you to dominate and push your message, rather than a platform for all to contribute on as equals, whether in the church or out of it now. i suggest to you that if you want nathan to stop attacking you all you all should probably stop attacking him hypocrite....
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Post by ellie on Jul 12, 2020 7:21:02 GMT -5
People who left the church did not do so for no reason. They had a reason, and in their eyes it was valid. Those who gave them reason to do so are more often than not the ones who need to do the soul searching, in my opinion. Yes, some just wanted total freedom to do what ever they wanted, but I think of a number for who overbearing elders or workers, helicopter elders, abusers, or religious police, would be still in the church. I believe it is worse in Oz, whereas here, things are quite good now. Sometimes I wonder... If it were not for the hardliners and religious police in Oz, would I have started down the path of questioning that eventually lead me out? As it happens, the fellowship wasn't the right place for me, but I didn't realise until after I left meetings just how unhappy I was. So while I may have been upset by religious zealots as a young person. If they were somewhat of a catalyst for me re-evaluating my worldview than I bear them no ill will. Some I even remember with amusement!
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 9:46:20 GMT -5
Nathan, what you keep posting up about Fixit, from what Review wrote once, I find nothing short of disgusting, and most un-Christian like. Fixit keeps turning the other cheek, and only sporadically questioning whether or not you think thing your behaviour is ok. Again, I find your behaviour on here disgusting. And Wally chipping in with cheap shots in support of your attacks isn't much better. Irrespective of your misplaced conspiracy and Venus beliefs, it is your personal attacks on certain people hear that I have the biggest issue with. You seem to be thinking that TMB is a platform for you to dominate and push your message, rather than a platform for all to contribute on as equals, whether in the church or out of it now. i suggest to you that if you want nathan to stop attacking you all you all should probably stop attacking him hypocrite.... Amen, Wally... these TWO are the MOST 2x2s hypocrites down under I have ever seen in 40 plus years in the TRUTH. They egged me, poke at me, jabs and stab me in the backs, then turn around accused me these things that I started and they are NOT guilty any of these crimes themselves.
Review/worker, openingacts, the friends, you and others can see them through and through. So, I post these things that they have observed and write from reading their posts on here about them, then they get all twisted up and upset. They keep on poking the bear with a sharp stick and expect I just lay there and play dead for them to keep on poking and stabbing. Heck, no!
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Post by Annan on Jul 12, 2020 11:23:38 GMT -5
i suggest to you that if you want nathan to stop attacking you all you all should probably stop attacking him hypocrite.... Amen, Wally... these TWO are the MOST 2x2s hypocrites down under I have ever seen in 40 plus years in the TRUTH. They egged me, poke at me, jabs and stab me in the backs, then turn around accused me these things that I started and they are NOT guilty any of these crimes themselves.
Review/worker, openingacts, the friends, you and others can see them through and through. So, I post these things that they have observed and write from reading their posts on here about them, then they get all twisted up and upset. They keep on poking the bear with a sharp stick and expect I just lay there and play dead for them to keep on poking and stabbing. Heck, no!
www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.htmlA word about the “slap” that Jesus says we should endure. Jesus here speaks of personal slights of any kind. The slap (or the “smiting,” as the KJV has it) does not have to involve literal, physical violence. Even in our day, a “slap in the face” is a metaphor for an unexpected insult or offense. Did someone insult you? Let him, Jesus says. Are you shocked and offended? Don’t be. And don’t return insult for insult. Turn the other cheek.
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 11:42:57 GMT -5
Amen, Wally... these TWO are the MOST 2x2s hypocrites down under I have ever seen in 40 plus years in the TRUTH. They egged me, poke at me, jabs and stab me in the backs, then turn around accused me these things that I started and they are NOT guilty any of these crimes themselves.
Review/worker, openingacts, the friends, you and others can see them through and through. So, I post these things that they have observed and write from reading their posts on here about them, then they get all twisted up and upset. They keep on poking the bear with a sharp stick and expect I just lay there and play dead for them to keep on poking and stabbing. Heck, no!
www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.htmlA word about the “slap” that Jesus says we should endure. Jesus here speaks of personal slights of any kind. The slap (or the “smiting,” as the KJV has it) does not have to involve literal, physical violence. Even in our day, a “slap in the face” is a metaphor for an unexpected insult or offense. Did someone insult you? Let him, Jesus says. Are you shocked and offended? Don’t be. And don’t return insult for insult. Turn the other cheek.*** I turned the other cheek for 20 yrs, being very patience, and kind now no more cheek to turn to so, time to fight back with both hands and feet and still be nice about it. No more doormat! For people to walk on.
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Post by Annan on Jul 12, 2020 13:37:17 GMT -5
www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.htmlA word about the “slap” that Jesus says we should endure. Jesus here speaks of personal slights of any kind. The slap (or the “smiting,” as the KJV has it) does not have to involve literal, physical violence. Even in our day, a “slap in the face” is a metaphor for an unexpected insult or offense. Did someone insult you? Let him, Jesus says. Are you shocked and offended? Don’t be. And don’t return insult for insult. Turn the other cheek. *** I turned the other cheek for 20 yrs, being very patience, and kind now no more cheek to turn to so, time to fight back with both hands and feet and still be nice about it. No more doormat! For people to walk on. So it's okay then to ignore scripture? Jesus says to endure. Where does it say it's okay to fight back when you feel you have had enough? Wouldn't a better solution be to walk away?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 13:43:45 GMT -5
Amen, Wally... these TWO are the MOST 2x2s hypocrites down under I have ever seen in 40 plus years in the TRUTH. They egged me, poke at me, jabs and stab me in the backs, then turn around accused me these things that I started and they are NOT guilty any of these crimes themselves.
Review/worker, openingacts, the friends, you and others can see them through and through. So, I post these things that they have observed and write from reading their posts on here about them, then they get all twisted up and upset. They keep on poking the bear with a sharp stick and expect I just lay there and play dead for them to keep on poking and stabbing. Heck, no!
www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.htmlA word about the “slap” that Jesus says we should endure. Jesus here speaks of personal slights of any kind. The slap (or the “smiting,” as the KJV has it) does not have to involve literal, physical violence. Even in our day, a “slap in the face” is a metaphor for an unexpected insult or offense. Did someone insult you? Let him, Jesus says. Are you shocked and offended? Don’t be. And don’t return insult for insult. Turn the other cheek.Rom_12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. BIG key word here in this verse.... IF....
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 14:00:37 GMT -5
www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.htmlA word about the “slap” that Jesus says we should endure. Jesus here speaks of personal slights of any kind. The slap (or the “smiting,” as the KJV has it) does not have to involve literal, physical violence. Even in our day, a “slap in the face” is a metaphor for an unexpected insult or offense. Did someone insult you? Let him, Jesus says. Are you shocked and offended? Don’t be. And don’t return insult for insult. Turn the other cheek. Rom_12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. BIG key word here in this verse.... IF.... ** Thanks, that is a good one. Well, the Vaudois, Waldenses, Albigenses, and of those like them through 1500 years fought back the RCC and the crusaders for killing them and their families. They didn't let those cruel Catholics Popes and Crusaders take advantage of their goodness but they defend themselves with all kinds of weapons to protect themselves and their families. People like to take verses out of context, you see them do it on TMB all the time. They want the 2x2s to be like doormats by using this verse or that so they can walk on us! Whenever they want. I don't think so!
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Post by Annan on Jul 12, 2020 14:02:26 GMT -5
www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.htmlA word about the “slap” that Jesus says we should endure. Jesus here speaks of personal slights of any kind. The slap (or the “smiting,” as the KJV has it) does not have to involve literal, physical violence. Even in our day, a “slap in the face” is a metaphor for an unexpected insult or offense. Did someone insult you? Let him, Jesus says. Are you shocked and offended? Don’t be. And don’t return insult for insult. Turn the other cheek. Rom_12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. BIG key word here in this verse.... IF.... I see. So there are loopholes.
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 14:12:35 GMT -5
Rom_12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. BIG key word here in this verse.... IF.... I see. So there are loopholes. *** God gives us brains and wants us to USE it wisely. Jesus said be WISE as serpent and harmless as the doves.
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Post by Annan on Jul 12, 2020 14:28:22 GMT -5
I see. So there are loopholes. *** God gives us brains and wants us to USE it wisely. Jesus said be WISE as serpent and harmless as the doves. I still don’t see how that equates with Jesus command to turn the other cheek, but, please, keep twisting the scriptures to support your agenda.
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 14:39:01 GMT -5
*** God gives us brains and wants us to USE it wisely. Jesus said be WISE as serpent and harmless as the doves. I still don’t see how that equates with Jesus command to turn the other cheek, but, please, keep twisting the scriptures to support your agenda. ** And you don't take verses out of context, Ok.
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Post by Annan on Jul 12, 2020 14:54:54 GMT -5
I still don’t see how that equates with Jesus command to turn the other cheek, but, please, keep twisting the scriptures to support your agenda. ** And you don't take verses out of context, Ok. How is quoting Jesus' command to turn the other cheek taking verses out of context?
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Post by fixit on Jul 12, 2020 14:59:08 GMT -5
Rom_12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. BIG key word here in this verse.... IF.... ** Thanks, that is a good one. Well, the Vaudois, Waldenses, Albigenses, and of those like them through 1500 years fought back the RCC and the crusaders for killing them and their families. They didn't let those cruel Catholics Popes and Crusaders take advantage of their goodness but they defend themselves with all kinds of weapons to protect themselves and their families. People like to take verses out of context, you see them do it on TMB all the time. They want the 2x2s to be like doormats by using this verse or that so they can walk on us! Whenever they want. I don't think so! Isaiah:53:7 He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 12, 2020 15:05:52 GMT -5
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