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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 5:47:20 GMT -5
Every Tuesday night we have a TV program on SBS called "Insight". Topic last Tuesday was Belonging. Great surprise when one of the Guests interviewed was an ex 2x2, out for 3 years. She spoke very well and her experience is one that all ex's can relate to. Not easy for anybody to leave a cult like the 2x2's. If you have time well worth watching, hour long program. There other guests before the ex 2x2, interesting. Here is the link www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/1751465027706/Insight
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Post by slowtosee on Jul 5, 2020 14:22:58 GMT -5
Sounds interesting ,red back
Tried to listen but says only available in Australia
Thanks anyhow
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 16:44:26 GMT -5
Sorry about that Alvin, the problem being when you live at the arse end of the World, us that is. Have been told that SBS hope to provide a copy for World access. Will have to keep you posted.
It was an interesting interview, the Lady told how we believed in a lie, and lived a lie. You have to find yourself and find happiness. A Phycologist on the program explained how living under stress leads to mental health issues, and a shorter life span. I guess the shorter life is a benefit to 2x2's, they get to Heaven sooner. For myself I enjoy where I am, and the longer the better.
Another point the Lady made was the trauma when leaving, when you become shunned by Family and people you thought were friends. She still suffers that grief every day, a great burden to bear. That is an absolute disgrace and should never happen. At the start you feel so alone and fearful, it takes time to gain confidence and get new friends. Her tip was to find people with similar interests. Of course now there are many groups to help people through this phase of their life. We had none of that 50 years ago, we had to go it alone.
Do hope a World version becomes available, worth watching.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 5, 2020 17:37:05 GMT -5
Sorry about that Alvin, the problem being when you live at the arse end of the World, us that is. Have been told that SBS hope to provide a copy for World access. Will have to keep you posted. It was an interesting interview, the Lady told how we believed in a lie, and lived a lie. You have to find yourself and find happiness. A Phycologist on the program explained how living under stress leads to mental health issues, and a shorter life span. I guess the shorter life is a benefit to 2x2's, they get to Heaven sooner. For myself I enjoy where I am, and the longer the better. Another point the Lady made was the trauma when leaving, when you become shunned by Family and people you thought were friends. She still suffers that grief every day, a great burden to bear. That is an absolute disgrace and should never happen. At the start you feel so alone and fearful, it takes time to gain confidence and get new friends. Her tip was to find people with similar interests. Of course now there are many groups to help people through this phase of their life. We had none of that 50 years ago, we had to go it alone. Do hope a World version becomes available, worth watching. Blah, blah, blah. Boring talk. I think what we all want to know is how she was dressed. Probably looking pretty worldly and shameless, right? All these exes leave so they can chop their hair short, pierce their ears, and look like the worldling women. So spill the dirt!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 18:37:31 GMT -5
I fail to see why ex's are not allowed to tell there story. They just explain how good the freedom is when you move away from a cult, and what you can expect to cop. It is not spilling the dirt as you say. And as for looking "Worldly" that is purely a 2x2 point of view, not how normal people think.
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Post by slowtosee on Jul 5, 2020 19:09:36 GMT -5
This morning , in church , there was some discussion around the , c s Lewis quote “of all bad men , religious bad men are the worst “ I thought it applied to many exes experience in the 2x2 church , of being bullied or rejected by powerful religious “Bad “ men , Maybe , For the majority of people , in the church , they have not experienced that , and simply can’t relate why anybody would leave such a “ loving “ fellowship . Often , the “religious bad men “ , pick on those who don’t completely conform to their whims , and are a perceived threat to their power and position . Sad to listen , a while ago , to an old school friend , speaking of how he was treated by a “bad religious man” - a preacher in another very conservative church . 65 years old , and still reliving the terrible feelings and treatment he experienced. Sure , he was a challenging character , and by outward appearances VERY strong and in control rebel , but inside lots of emotional pain and hurt - religious abuse . Alvin
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Post by becl on Jul 5, 2020 19:41:39 GMT -5
Sorry about that Alvin, the problem being when you live at the arse end of the World, us that is. Have been told that SBS hope to provide a copy for World access. Will have to keep you posted. It was an interesting interview, the Lady told how we believed in a lie, and lived a lie. You have to find yourself and find happiness. A Phycologist on the program explained how living under stress leads to mental health issues, and a shorter life span. I guess the shorter life is a benefit to 2x2's, they get to Heaven sooner. For myself I enjoy where I am, and the longer the better. Another point the Lady made was the trauma when leaving, when you become shunned by Family and people you thought were friends. She still suffers that grief every day, a great burden to bear. That is an absolute disgrace and should never happen. At the start you feel so alone and fearful, it takes time to gain confidence and get new friends. Her tip was to find people with similar interests. Of course now there are many groups to help people through this phase of their life. We had none of that 50 years ago, we had to go it alone. Do hope a World version becomes available, worth watching. Blah, blah, blah. Boring talk. I think what we all want to know is how she was dressed. Probably looking pretty worldly and shameless, right? All these exes leave so they can chop their hair short, pierce their ears, and look like the worldling women. So spill the dirt! I guess I came in as an outsider because the churches that claim to be all good and wonderful did not align with the way I thought and they were oh so contradictory on their beliefs. I have so far been to one meeting and I absolutely felt I finally had found the right place for me, tatoos, piercings and all
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Post by slowtosee on Jul 5, 2020 19:55:00 GMT -5
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Understanding, if anyone finds “ the perfect church “ , don’t join it , as it immediately becomes imperfect. Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 20:07:23 GMT -5
Have found out that link is Australia only. Have to post the World one when it becomes available. Australians watch it, great story.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Jul 5, 2020 20:12:26 GMT -5
Blah, blah, blah. Boring talk. I think what we all want to know is how she was dressed. Probably looking pretty worldly and shameless, right? All these exes leave so they can chop their hair short, pierce their ears, and look like the worldling women. So spill the dirt! I guess I came in as an outsider because the churches that claim to be all good and wonderful did not align with the way I thought and they were oh so contradictory on their beliefs. I have so far been to one meeting and I absolutely felt I finally had found the right place for me, tatoos, piercings and all I am glad that you were made to feel welcome as you were - that is great. I would add caution that one swallow does not a summer make. In general the fellowship is good at welcoming people and drawing them in. Everyone looks "worldly" when they come in as an outsider. But, over time, they will expect "the spirit" to convict you to look the right way - ie. the same as everyone else. Outward change is sign of inward change to them. They will nudge you in their "right" direction over time. One meeting is very early days, my friend. PS - I'm pretty sure@openingact34 had tongue firmly in cheek with his blah blah blah post??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 23:46:40 GMT -5
I guess I came in as an outsider because the churches that claim to be all good and wonderful did not align with the way I thought and they were oh so contradictory on their beliefs. I have so far been to one meeting and I absolutely felt I finally had found the right place for me, tatoos, piercings and all I am glad that you were made to feel welcome as you were - that is great. I would add caution that one swallow does not a summer make. In general the fellowship is good at welcoming people and drawing them in. Everyone looks "worldly" when they come in as an outsider. But, over time, they will expect "the spirit" to convict you to look the right way - ie. the same as everyone else. Outward change is sign of inward change to them. They will nudge you in their "right" direction over time. One meeting is very early days, my friend. PS - I'm pretty sure@openingact34 had tongue firmly in cheek with his blah blah blah post?? The term I heard before from a person who had a similar experience is "love bombing". I remember hearing a worker say "we didn't want them anyway!" when referring to a person who was too worldly and didn't conform. I think their vice was smoking, in this case. However, if you're fortunate, you will find some very good meetings with non-judgemental people. It varies a lot.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 5, 2020 23:55:46 GMT -5
I am glad that you were made to feel welcome as you were - that is great. I would add caution that one swallow does not a summer make. In general the fellowship is good at welcoming people and drawing them in. Everyone looks "worldly" when they come in as an outsider. But, over time, they will expect "the spirit" to convict you to look the right way - ie. the same as everyone else. Outward change is sign of inward change to them. They will nudge you in their "right" direction over time. One meeting is very early days, my friend. PS - I'm pretty sure@openingact34 had tongue firmly in cheek with his blah blah blah post?? The term I heard before from a person who had a similar experience is "love bombing". I remember hearing a worker say "we didn't want them anyway!" when referring to a person who was too worldly and didn't conform. I think their vice was smoking, in this case. However, if you're fortunate, you will find some very good meetings with non-judgemental people. It varies a lot. New recruits are love bombed rather routinely in a lot of groups/religions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 0:29:15 GMT -5
"Love Bombing" was reserved for those coming in from outside. B&R's were just given a kick in the bum and expected to comply.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 6, 2020 1:28:54 GMT -5
Sorry about that Alvin, the problem being when you live at the arse end of the World, us that is. Have been told that SBS hope to provide a copy for World access. Will have to keep you posted. It was an interesting interview, the Lady told how we believed in a lie, and lived a lie. You have to find yourself and find happiness. A Phycologist on the program explained how living under stress leads to mental health issues, and a shorter life span. I guess the shorter life is a benefit to 2x2's, they get to Heaven sooner. For myself I enjoy where I am, and the longer the better. Another point the Lady made was the trauma when leaving, when you become shunned by Family and people you thought were friends. She still suffers that grief every day, a great burden to bear. That is an absolute disgrace and should never happen. At the start you feel so alone and fearful, it takes time to gain confidence and get new friends. Her tip was to find people with similar interests. Of course now there are many groups to help people through this phase of their life. We had none of that 50 years ago, we had to go it alone. Do hope a World version becomes available, worth watching. Blah, blah, blah. Boring talk. I think what we all want to know is how she was dressed. Probably looking pretty worldly and shameless, right? All these exes leave so they can chop their hair short, pierce their ears, and look like the worldling women. So spill the dirt! I knew that when I left that there would be some people who would just be waiting to see how soon that I would cut my hair and start wearing make-up etc.
It was an almost perverse deliberate desire on my part to behave in a way that would not give them that satisfaction!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 2:06:59 GMT -5
Dmg I have behaved the other way. Like to give them something to talk about. It is the Devil in me. Shortly after I left, I used to enjoy a few drinks with my workmates. My Mother told me the story went around that I had started carrying a hip flask. I have always hated Spirits, never touched them. We had a good laugh about that one, my Mother had a good sense of humour.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 6, 2020 5:58:16 GMT -5
I guess I came in as an outsider because the churches that claim to be all good and wonderful did not align with the way I thought and they were oh so contradictory on their beliefs. I have so far been to one meeting and I absolutely felt I finally had found the right place for me, tatoos, piercings and all I am glad that you were made to feel welcome as you were - that is great. I would add caution that one swallow does not a summer make. In general the fellowship is good at welcoming people and drawing them in. Everyone looks "worldly" when they come in as an outsider. But, over time, they will expect "the spirit" to convict you to look the right way - ie. the same as everyone else. Outward change is sign of inward change to them. They will nudge you in their "right" direction over time. One meeting is very early days, my friend. PS - I'm pretty sure@openingact34 had tongue firmly in cheek with his blah blah blah post?? But outward change is a sign of inward change! As Jesus said, wash the inside of the cup and platter and the outside may be clean also. Once the heart is being cleansed then our life and ways should be changing to be more like that of Jesus.
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Post by slowtosee on Jul 6, 2020 6:30:54 GMT -5
I am glad that you were made to feel welcome as you were - that is great. I would add caution that one swallow does not a summer make. In general the fellowship is good at welcoming people and drawing them in. Everyone looks "worldly" when they come in as an outsider. But, over time, they will expect "the spirit" to convict you to look the right way - ie. the same as everyone else. Outward change is sign of inward change to them. They will nudge you in their "right" direction over time. One meeting is very early days, my friend. PS - I'm pretty sure@openingact34 had tongue firmly in cheek with his blah blah blah post?? But outward change is a sign of inward change! As Jesus said, wash the inside of the cup and platter and the outside may be clean also. Once the heart is being cleansed then our life and ways should be changing to be more like that of Jesus. Good points The Outward change that some people make to become more like Jesus is to “loosen” up on their self imposed manmade “dress code” , and just dress “normal” like the culture they live in , understanding that God doesn’t judge by outward appearances but by the heart , Alvin
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Post by ellie on Jul 6, 2020 6:56:12 GMT -5
www.sbs.com.au/news/insight/cutting-ties-with-a-cult-it-s-a-grief-i-will-carry-for-lifeWhen Christina Rasmussen left the cult-like fundamentalist Christian organisation she’d lived in for 43 years, she knew it would be tough to find her place on the outside. But nothing prepared her for the loneliness of being shut off by her family and friends.
“It's a grief I will carry with me for the rest of my life. There are just no words to describe what it is to lose every person you love. Some days, the grief… is overwhelming,” Ms Rasmussen told Insight guest host, Alice Matthews.
Rasmussen, 46, was born into the group, which outsiders refer to variously as ‘Two-by-Twos’, ‘Workers and Friends’, ‘Cooneyites’ or ‘The Truth’ church. Members don’t refer to the group by any name, believing it’s the only true religion from the time of Christ, and that theirs is the ‘only true way.’
“Life … is incredibly controlled… from who you marry, where you live, your occupation, how you’re educated… to what you wear. Women [must] dress very modestly, no nail polish, no haircuts. TV, radio, music and dancing [are not allowed],” Rasmussen said of life in the organisation.
The group has members world-wide, mostly in Australia, New Zealand and the USA. Rasmussen said that she now knows it started about a century ago, in Ireland.
“My family’s been in it for five generations, since the end of [the nineteenth] century when all of my family belonged to it, great-great-grandparents, great-grandparents and so forth… So there’s a huge sense of belonging because that's all you know and that's where your family is.”
Six years ago, things started to change for Rasmussen, when she realised that she could no longer belong as a “cult woman.”
“The only way you can live in that community is pretending to be somebody you're not…denying who you are and what your values are,” Rasmussen told Insight.
At 40, Rasmussen embarked on a path of self-discovery, prompted by decades of abuse, secrecy and cover-ups she said she endured and witnessed within the organisation.
“With the advent of the internet, it became clearer that… the doctrine that was being preached was actually a lie. So there was a huge cover-up about doctrine, there was a huge cover-up about money, there was a huge cover-up about abuses within the cult,” she said. “Discovering that what I believed in was a lie, but also how I'd been living was a lie, (that) led me out.”
Since she left the group three years ago, Rasmussen has had little contact with the family and the friends she left behind.
“People on the inside… feel that you're bitter or that you're unwilling to follow the rules of that organisation or that you're a troublemaker or that you're evil, or … an evil spirit has influenced you.”
Followers were told if they left, they’d be struck down by illness, or injured in an accident.
Rasmussen has spent years in therapy, and she’s recently been diagnosed with cervical cancer. She told Insight that she knows her cancer wasn’t caused by her leaving the organisation. But she said those fear-laden messages have taken their mental toll.
University of Wollongong’s Associate Professor, Mitch Byrne, is a clinical and forensic psychologist. He told Insight that the effects on someone of feeling like they don’t belong can be devastating to their health.
“When you feel excluded… exiled, you feel different and that causes stress and has a physiological effect upon you. This can lead to medical problems, psychiatric problems,” Mitch Byrne explained.
Christina Rasmussen said finding a new “tribe” to belong to has been difficult, but that those challenges have been balanced out by the freedoms she now enjoys in the outside world.
And, she stressed, she’ll never go back.
“That sense of belonging comes from within yourself. Being true to who you are, and your values, is so important. So, to go back to a place where you can't be true [to yourself] is impossible.”
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Jul 6, 2020 7:54:12 GMT -5
I am glad that you were made to feel welcome as you were - that is great. I would add caution that one swallow does not a summer make. In general the fellowship is good at welcoming people and drawing them in. Everyone looks "worldly" when they come in as an outsider. But, over time, they will expect "the spirit" to convict you to look the right way - ie. the same as everyone else. Outward change is sign of inward change to them. They will nudge you in their "right" direction over time. One meeting is very early days, my friend. PS - I'm pretty sure@openingact34 had tongue firmly in cheek with his blah blah blah post?? But outward change is a sign of inward change! As Jesus said, wash the inside of the cup and platter and the outside may be clean also. Once the heart is being cleansed then our life and ways should be changing to be more like that of Jesus. You mention changed ways rather than appearance, and I would agree. Matthew 23 is a very revealing chapter (the cup and platter reference); Jesus' point here is that the heart cannot be judged by outward appearance. Rather, we can make ourselves look very holy on the outside with no change on the inside. "In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness."
Learning to wear the right clothes, have the right look, wear the bun, forgo jewellery is nothing more than learned behaviour and conformity. It has nothing to do with true holiness. It can also cause pride and judgement against others who do not look the same. I can remember many unfortunate incidents where workers denounced minor infractions of outward appearance while crushing inward spirits. Can outward appearance be a sign of inward change? Sure - Mark 5:15. A man previously possessed by demons was now dressed and in his right mind. What an outward change! But simply to normal appearance instead of a raving naked man. Being clothed and in our right mind is a good benchmark for outward appearance. Let all else be changed behaviour showing true holiness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 8:04:04 GMT -5
Thanks Ellie for posting that, much appreciated.
I agree with Christina the most important thing in life is be true to yourself. That brings health and happiness. Pretending to be something that you cannot achieve, brings stress and grief.
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Post by magpies39plus on Jul 6, 2020 8:06:36 GMT -5
The most judgmental sect I have encountered. Hold people in bondage as the Hasidic Jewish women that shave their heads,Jesus told them they were released from that bondage. "BUT" Irvine placed that bondage to the 2x2 women in reverse. A lady was refered to as of worldly appearance because she had shorter hair than the Irvinites demanded. He was told that it was short because of medical reason. But he didn't say I understand "NO" the nasty reply was"Well she is of worldly appearance". Not long after that she,fellowshiped with a very theologically soundlocal congregation(who believe in the Deity of Jesus and the Holy (God's)Spirit). Why "She was made to know she no longer belonged to the Preacher only{which is extremely unbiblical Eph 4=v,11-12}ministry. Magpie..Hi Redback,This lady was hit with family and friends rejection and "gossip". If she had left to go worldly they would accept that as it is no challenge to the sect's limited theology.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 6, 2020 8:40:54 GMT -5
Thanks Ellie for posting that, much appreciated. I agree with Christina the most important thing in life is be true to yourself. That brings health and happiness. Pretending to be something that you cannot achieve, brings stress and grief. Oh boo-hoo. "The workers were mean to me". "The workers lied to me" "I was abused" THE WORKERS ARE TRYING TO SAVE YOU FROM ETERNAL TORTURE IN HELL!!! They have a true love for souls and are desperately laboring to save you from God's horrible wrath against humankind. They might bend a few rules, tell a few lies to do this. But who can blame them? The Bible teaches that Jesus is going to watch as sinners are tortured endlessly with molten sulfur. Who cares about "belonging", happiness, and living authentically when God is planning to torture untold BILLIONS in hell?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 9:37:26 GMT -5
Thanks Ellie for posting that, much appreciated. I agree with Christina the most important thing in life is be true to yourself. That brings health and happiness. Pretending to be something that you cannot achieve, brings stress and grief. Oh boo-hoo. "The workers were mean to me". "The workers lied to me" "I was abused" THE WORKERS ARE TRYING TO SAVE YOU FROM ETERNAL TORTURE IN HELL!!! They have a true love for souls and are desperately laboring to save you from God's horrible wrath against humankind. They might bend a few rules, tell a few lies to do this. But who can blame them? The Bible teaches that Jesus is going to watch as sinners are tortured endlessly with molten sulfur. Who cares about "belonging", happiness, and living authentically when God is planning to torture untold BILLIONS in hell? Good point! I think that was the rationale the Catholic (false) church used for torturing confessions. Better a little torture now than an eternity of torture later! Lying and abusing are small prices to endure for such a prized place. Ungrateful, what it is!
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Post by maryhig on Jul 6, 2020 9:47:57 GMT -5
But outward change is a sign of inward change! As Jesus said, wash the inside of the cup and platter and the outside may be clean also. Once the heart is being cleansed then our life and ways should be changing to be more like that of Jesus. You mention changed ways rather than appearance, and I would agree. Matthew 23 is a very revealing chapter (the cup and platter reference); Jesus' point here is that the heart cannot be judged by outward appearance. Rather, we can make ourselves look very holy on the outside with no change on the inside. "In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness."
Learning to wear the right clothes, have the right look, wear the bun, forgo jewellery is nothing more than learned behaviour and conformity. It has nothing to do with true holiness. It can also cause pride and judgement against others who do not look the same. I can remember many unfortunate incidents where workers denounced minor infractions of outward appearance while crushing inward spirits. Can outward appearance be a sign of inward change? Sure - Mark 5:15. A man previously possessed by demons was now dressed and in his right mind. What an outward change! But simply to normal appearance instead of a raving naked man. Being clothed and in our right mind is a good benchmark for outward appearance. Let all else be changed behaviour showing true holiness. That's true, but once we belong to Christ and start to live by the will of God, then vanity should be dying within our hearts and we shouldn't worry about what we look like on the outside. We only do ourselves up for the flesh, not for God. And also, I've noticed a lot of judgement here towards the 2x2s for having buns etc. Those doing this are doing what they are accusing the 2x2s of doing. And I'm talking about myself now, and not anyone else when I say this. Because in our meeting they live and speak by what Jesus and the apostles taught in the Bible, but they don't force anyone to do anything. So my conscience was pricked by what I heard and read, and I've stopped wearing make up and colouring my hair and wearing jewellery etc. Because to me it's vanity and I don't believe that it's right before God, so I've stopped doing it. We don't have to wear buns etc. although my hair is long and I don't worry about what I look like on the outside anymore, I care more about living right before God. I think Peter and Paul speak well regarding a woman's appearance. 1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. And here's Paul speaking in 1 Timothy 1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 6, 2020 9:51:12 GMT -5
Thanks Ellie for posting that, much appreciated. I agree with Christina the most important thing in life is be true to yourself. That brings health and happiness. Pretending to be something that you cannot achieve, brings stress and grief. Oh boo-hoo. "The workers were mean to me". "The workers lied to me" "I was abused" THE WORKERS ARE TRYING TO SAVE YOU FROM ETERNAL TORTURE IN HELL!!! They have a true love for souls and are desperately laboring to save you from God's horrible wrath against humankind. They might bend a few rules, tell a few lies to do this. But who can blame them? The Bible teaches that Jesus is going to watch as sinners are tortured endlessly with molten sulfur. Who cares about "belonging", happiness, and living authentically when God is planning to torture untold BILLIONS in hell? Tortured endlessly in molten sulfur? What? Where did you get that from?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 11:11:10 GMT -5
Maryhig, OA is just pointing out that it is OK to tell a few lies to save souls. So why not throw in a bit of molten sulfur.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 6, 2020 11:42:02 GMT -5
Oh boo-hoo. "The workers were mean to me". "The workers lied to me" "I was abused" THE WORKERS ARE TRYING TO SAVE YOU FROM ETERNAL TORTURE IN HELL!!! They have a true love for souls and are desperately laboring to save you from God's horrible wrath against humankind. They might bend a few rules, tell a few lies to do this. But who can blame them? The Bible teaches that Jesus is going to watch as sinners are tortured endlessly with molten sulfur. Who cares about "belonging", happiness, and living authentically when God is planning to torture untold BILLIONS in hell? Tortured endlessly in molten sulfur? What? Where did you get that from? Brimstone is molten sulfur, if you've seen the many references to brimstone. It is a particularly nasty torture method, but apparently one of God's favorites. Revelation 14 is a good example: "he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night" The exes favorite website, GotQuestions.org explains: "When God finally abolishes sin and death, all sinners will be condemned to the worst possible fate, described in the Bible using the most horrific terms."
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Post by magpies39plus on Jul 6, 2020 18:13:28 GMT -5
OH,Yes.By the way to sit in a convention and see/hear,as in Gospel meetings and listen to a preacher who was your CSA abuser(prior to going into preaching),saying he was a true servant of God,that the Christian Assemblies of Australia was nameless they had no property,even having a small truck/lorry registered in that name as well of course the Dandenong convention grounds,knowing that he still had young people scared of him as well as other homo/lesbians amongst the supposed true servants. All the items mentioned above were lies and living lies as well "SO WHY SHOULD I WANT TO BELONG TO THAt"? Then on the first night in the City handy handing out soup/coffee and bagel to the homeless and young boys and girls there because of sexual abuse(we shared a prayer time before we started and when we finished),Isuddenly realized this is where I belong,and be where God wanted me to be. Why would I want to belong any where else? Magpie.PS,give me a reason,if you can think of a biblical one.
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