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Post by chuck on Aug 7, 2020 8:49:04 GMT -5
I don't believe Nathan or Maryhig were in the context of my comments. You inserted them in. No, Nathan or Maryhig wasn't mentioned by Chuck, -but don't you understand that it was a comparison between yourself and Nathan's and Maryhig's beliefs?
Just as you, -each of them seem to believe that they also " have the correct interpretation of the Christian God."Yes I see. But why bring them into my reply addressed to someone else?. And Benar needs to address this from a Hebraic perspective now scince he has injected his opinion that my comments are a scotsman fallacy compared to someone he also injected into the mix. I was pointing out that the predetermined position of what one thought a omnipotent God should be was inncorect. If one would follow the narrative of scripture they would see why I think the predetermined view is not exactly line with the Hebrew people. Sure they may have viewed God like this once but you can quite easily see the change in their understanding of God. This does not mean they had God worked out, just like me, but it's quite clear the omnipotent image of God I questioned is not what the narrative of Scripture heads towards.
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Post by jetmech on Aug 7, 2020 12:27:59 GMT -5
i am not seeing anything in the last 18 hours called "the truth church"... I tried to follow the link and received a message " ...only viewable in Australia..."
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Post by jetmech on Aug 7, 2020 12:35:29 GMT -5
Unfortunate Cherie, some bigger issues took precedence. Mary Trump's book re Uncle Donald. That was scary, how did such a mad man get into the White House. We all need to be worried about that one. The second wave of Covid has taken off in Australia, particualy in Victoria. Also increasing in NSW. Anybody who watched 60 minutes last night would be feeling a little depressed this morning. The World is certainly facing big problems. Our vintage cannot complain we have probably lived in the best era during the period after World War 2, up until now. But you have to be concerned that the good times may be gone. No one ... absolutely NOONE has 86 friends who committed suicide. Hillary does ... Also, Bill Clinton pardoned a CONVICTED murder during his last days in office, oh, and he also pardoned a CONVICTED terrorist the same day. Obama pardoned 330 Convicted drug felons his last days in office! You say Trump is a "mad man?" Do you call Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Elizabeth Warren (Pocahontas) etc ... "normal?" Ha! GO TRUMP!!!!! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN !!! DRAIN THE STINKIN' SWAMP!!!
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Post by fixit on Aug 7, 2020 15:41:55 GMT -5
Unfortunate Cherie, some bigger issues took precedence. Mary Trump's book re Uncle Donald. That was scary, how did such a mad man get into the White House. We all need to be worried about that one. The second wave of Covid has taken off in Australia, particualy in Victoria. Also increasing in NSW. Anybody who watched 60 minutes last night would be feeling a little depressed this morning. The World is certainly facing big problems. Our vintage cannot complain we have probably lived in the best era during the period after World War 2, up until now. But you have to be concerned that the good times may be gone. No one ... absolutely NOONE has 86 friends who committed suicide. Hillary does ... Also, Bill Clinton pardoned a CONVICTED murder during his last days in office, oh, and he also pardoned a CONVICTED terrorist the same day. Obama pardoned 330 Convicted drug felons his last days in office! You say Trump is a "mad man?" Do you call Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Elizabeth Warren (Pocahontas) etc ... "normal?" Ha! GO TRUMP!!!!! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN !!! DRAIN THE STINKIN' SWAMP!!! The man who did the most to popularise the term "fake news" is the man who depends on fake news the most for his political survival. See what Snopes has to say about the Clinton Body Count.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 7, 2020 18:07:46 GMT -5
No one ... absolutely NOONE has 86 friends who committed suicide. Hillary does ... Also, Bill Clinton pardoned a CONVICTED murder during his last days in office, oh, and he also pardoned a CONVICTED terrorist the same day. Obama pardoned 330 Convicted drug felons his last days in office! You say Trump is a "mad man?" Do you call Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Elizabeth Warren (Pocahontas) etc ... "normal?" Ha! GO TRUMP!!!!! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN !!! DRAIN THE STINKIN' SWAMP!!! The man who did the most to popularise the term "fake news" is the man who depends on fake news the most for his political survival. See what Snopes has to say about the Clinton Body Count.But when HE watches HIS fake news, he considers it ALTERNATIVE FACTS. It's what a lot of people say.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 8, 2020 0:35:59 GMT -5
No, Nathan or Maryhig wasn't mentioned by Chuck, -but don't you understand that it was a comparison between yourself and Nathan's and Maryhig's beliefs?
Just as you, -each of them seem to believe that they also " have the correct interpretation of the Christian God." Yes I see. But why bring them into my reply addressed to someone else?. And Benar needs to address this from a Hebraic perspective now scince he has injected his opinion that my comments are a scotsman fallacy compared to someone he also injected into the mix. I was pointing out that the predetermined position of what one thought a omnipotent God should be was inncorect. If one would follow the narrative of scripture they would see why I think the predetermined view is not exactly line with the Hebrew people. Sure they may have viewed God like this once but you can quite easily see the change in their understanding of God. This does not mean they had God worked out, just like me, but it's quite clear the omnipotent image of God I questioned is not what the narrative of Scripture heads toward I had said I would not get into a conversion with you again and here I am, breaking my promise!
But I don't understand why you think you can just make your own claims & not expect people to make their own comments back but only just answer you and not make further comments of their own.
Perhaps it is just that you are unaware of the how a conversation usually takes place.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 8, 2020 0:54:56 GMT -5
No one ... absolutely NOONE has 86 friends who committed suicide. Hillary does ... Also, Bill Clinton pardoned a CONVICTED murder during his last days in office, oh, and he also pardoned a CONVICTED terrorist the same day. Obama pardoned 330 Convicted drug felons his last days in office! You say Trump is a "mad man?" Do you call Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Elizabeth Warren (Pocahontas) etc ... "normal?" Ha! GO TRUMP!!!!! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN !!! DRAIN THE STINKIN' SWAMP!!! The man who did the most to popularise the term "fake news" is the man who depends on fake news the most for his political survival. See what Snopes has to say about the Clinton Body Count. Thanks for that link, fixit.Trump is already getting down in the dirt making false statements against Biden that are totally ridiculous. President Trump attacked former Vice President Joe Biden on Thursday by accusing him of being “against God.”
“He’s following the radical left agenda: take away your guns, destroy your Second Amendment, no religion, no anything, hurt the Bible, hurt God,” Trump said during a campaign visit to Ohio. “He’s against God, he’s against guns.”
Biden is a practicing Catholic who regularly attends Mass at St. Joseph’s on the Brandywine in Greenville, Del. while Trump just stands in front of church holding a bible for a photo op.
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Post by chuck on Aug 8, 2020 20:38:52 GMT -5
Yes I see. But why bring them into my reply addressed to someone else?. And Benar needs to address this from a Hebraic perspective now scince he has injected his opinion that my comments are a scotsman fallacy compared to someone he also injected into the mix. I was pointing out that the predetermined position of what one thought a omnipotent God should be was inncorect. If one would follow the narrative of scripture they would see why I think the predetermined view is not exactly line with the Hebrew people. Sure they may have viewed God like this once but you can quite easily see the change in their understanding of God. This does not mean they had God worked out, just like me, but it's quite clear the omnipotent image of God I questioned is not what the narrative of Scripture heads toward I had said I would not get into a conversion with you again and here I am, breaking my promise!
But I don't understand why you think you can just make your own claims & not expect people to make their own comments back but only just answer you and not make further comments of their own.
Perhaps it is just that you are unaware of the how a conversation usually takes place.How old are you?. Making yourself promises to not have a conversation with someone because they ask you to explain your position is rediculous. I fully aware how a conversation goes, and it is common decency to answer someone when they speak to you, just because your behind a keyboard you seem to think that makes it ok to not speak back. And furthermore when you dont want to be expected to explain your position dont inject youself into the conversation. While I may be wrong on many things I attempt to explain my position with facts outside of my opinion, you amongst other dress up your opinion as facts and refuse to explain your position/opinion when questioned. Like were did your image of hell come from for example.
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Post by jetmech on Aug 8, 2020 21:36:18 GMT -5
The man who did the most to popularise the term "fake news" is the man who depends on fake news the most for his political survival. See what Snopes has to say about the Clinton Body Count.But when HE watches HIS fake news, he considers it ALTERNATIVE FACTS. It's what a lot of people say. Some years ago a video entitled THE CLINTON CHRONICLES came out. It was produced by Larry Nichols an ex-hit man for the Clintons. I found it to be extremely interesting, because there were judges on there, Arkansas State Troopers, FBI AGENTS, and lawyers who revealed top secrets of the Clintons. Anyone with even an ounce of maturity, mother-wit, and wisdom can tell right away these professional people were telling the truth about the Clintons. THE CLINTON CHRONICLES can still be found on YOUTUBE and GOOGLE. This country is in big trouble when the NRA gets disbanded, the guns get confiscated from the American populace, and a socialistic/communistic regime is put in place. It will be an America we've never known, and by then, even though many of the advocates of that order finally wake up and smell the coffee ... it will be too late.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 8, 2020 22:10:11 GMT -5
But when HE watches HIS fake news, he considers it ALTERNATIVE FACTS. It's what a lot of people say. Some years ago a video entitled THE CLINTON CHRONICLES came out. It was produced by Larry Nichols an ex-hit man for the Clintons. I found it to be extremely interesting, because there were judges on there, Arkansas State Troopers, FBI AGENTS, and lawyers who revealed top secrets of the Clintons. Anyone with even an ounce of maturity, mother-wit, and wisdom can tell right away these professional people were telling the truth about the Clintons. THE CLINTON CHRONICLES can still be found on YOUTUBE and GOOGLE. This country is in big trouble when the NRA gets disbanded, the guns get confiscated from the American populace, and a socialistic/communistic regime is put in place. It will be an America we've never known, and by then, even though many of the advocates of that order finally wake up and smell the coffee ... it will be too late. So what do you think will happen to you?
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Post by ForeverFree on Aug 8, 2020 22:18:43 GMT -5
But when HE watches HIS fake news, he considers it ALTERNATIVE FACTS. It's what a lot of people say. Some years ago a video entitled THE CLINTON CHRONICLES came out. It was produced by Larry Nichols an ex-hit man for the Clintons. I found it to be extremely interesting, because there were judges on there, Arkansas State Troopers, FBI AGENTS, and lawyers who revealed top secrets of the Clintons. Anyone with even an ounce of maturity, mother-wit, and wisdom can tell right away these professional people were telling the truth about the Clintons. THE CLINTON CHRONICLES can still be found on YOUTUBE and GOOGLE. This country is in big trouble when the NRA gets disbanded, the guns get confiscated from the American populace, and a socialistic/communistic regime is put in place. It will be an America we've never known, and by then, even though many of the advocates of that order finally wake up and smell the coffee ... it will be too late. Political propaganda.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 8, 2020 22:55:16 GMT -5
Some years ago a video entitled THE CLINTON CHRONICLES came out. It was produced by Larry Nichols an ex-hit man for the Clintons. I found it to be extremely interesting, because there were judges on there, Arkansas State Troopers, FBI AGENTS, and lawyers who revealed top secrets of the Clintons. Anyone with even an ounce of maturity, mother-wit, and wisdom can tell right away these professional people were telling the truth about the Clintons. THE CLINTON CHRONICLES can still be found on YOUTUBE and GOOGLE. This country is in big trouble when the NRA gets disbanded, the guns get confiscated from the American populace, and a socialistic/communistic regime is put in place. It will be an America we've never known, and by then, even though many of the advocates of that order finally wake up and smell the coffee ... it will be too late. Political propaganda. They weren't so great at getting convictions -- for some reason. Turned out the only thing they could prosecute was him disavowing his closet encounter with Miss Lewinski.
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Post by joanna on Aug 9, 2020 0:07:45 GMT -5
chuck. Free will is the illogical non-excuse for the so obvious absence of a powerful, compassionate and ever-present god. Please consider this excerpt from the article by a neuroscientist Why Free Will, Prayer and an Omnipotent God Are Mutually Exclusive Let’s look at a real case of evil, that of Slobodan Milošević and his choice of genocide: only three scenarios are possible. One, god knew beforehand the choice Milošević would make and did nothing to prevent the outcome; two, god knew beforehand but could do nothing to change the outcome; or three, god did not know what choice Milošević would make. From these three possibilities we must come to a conclusion that is irrefutable, undeniable, and logically immune to any counterargument. In a world in which evil and suffering exist, god is either all-powerful and is responsible for that evil and suffering, through design or neglect, or god is benevolent but not all-powerful. Nothing else is possible, other than the obvious conclusion that god does not exist.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 9, 2020 0:14:59 GMT -5
I had said I would not get into a conversion with you again and here I am, breaking my promise!
But I don't understand why you think you can just make your own claims & not expect people to make their own comments back but only just answer you and not make further comments of their own.
Perhaps it is just that you are unaware of the how a conversation usually takes place. How old are you?. Making yourself promises to not have a conversation with someone because they ask you to explain your position is rediculous. I fully aware how a conversation goes, and it is common decency to answer someone when they speak to you, just because your behind a keyboard you seem to think that makes it ok to not speak back. And furthermore when you dont want to be expected to explain your position dont inject youself into the conversation. While I may be wrong on many things I attempt to explain my position with facts outside of my opinion, you amongst other dress up your opinion as facts and refuse to explain your position/opinion when questioned. Like were did your image of hell come from for example. You take liberties with other peoples posts by telling them what they are saying.
Such as:
"The image you are painting is Zeus."
..." the image you are describing is like a Dictator in the clouds."
You also insist that others reply in a certain way like:
"when you don't want to be expected to explain your position don't inject yourself into the conversation."
You seem to believe that you are in command of the conversation & people should only to reply to you the way that you tell them to.
That is NOT the way people hold a conversation!
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Post by chuck on Aug 9, 2020 3:47:43 GMT -5
How old are you?. Making yourself promises to not have a conversation with someone because they ask you to explain your position is rediculous. I fully aware how a conversation goes, and it is common decency to answer someone when they speak to you, just because your behind a keyboard you seem to think that makes it ok to not speak back. And furthermore when you dont want to be expected to explain your position dont inject youself into the conversation. While I may be wrong on many things I attempt to explain my position with facts outside of my opinion, you amongst other dress up your opinion as facts and refuse to explain your position/opinion when questioned. Like were did your image of hell come from for example. You take liberties with other peoples posts by telling them what they are saying.
Such as:
"The image you are painting is Zeus."
..." the image you are describing is like a Dictator in the clouds."
You also insist that others reply in a certain way like:
"when you don't want to be expected to explain your position don't inject yourself into the conversation."
You seem to believe that you are in command of the conversation & people should only to reply to you the way that you tell them to.
That is NOT the way people hold a conversation!
Sure I take liberties, no-one is willing to to explain why Im wrong, and I have often asked for this to happen. Im not in command that's rediculous, you just dont want to dialogue on the particulars when I ask why you come to whatever conclusion. Ill keep pointing this out because its like ignoring someone who is standing in front of you speaking to you.
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Post by chuck on Aug 9, 2020 4:00:54 GMT -5
chuck. Free will is the illogical non-excuse for the so obvious absence of a powerful, compassionate and ever-present god. Please consider this excerpt from the article by a neuroscientist Why Free Will, Prayer and an Omnipotent God Are Mutually Exclusive Let’s look at a real case of evil, that of Slobodan Milošević and his choice of genocide: only three scenarios are possible. One, god knew beforehand the choice Milošević would make and did nothing to prevent the outcome; two, god knew beforehand but could do nothing to change the outcome; or three, god did not know what choice Milošević would make. From these three possibilities we must come to a conclusion that is irrefutable, undeniable, and logically immune to any counterargument. In a world in which evil and suffering exist, god is either all-powerful and is responsible for that evil and suffering, through design or neglect, or god is benevolent but not all-powerful. Nothing else is possible, other than the obvious conclusion that god does not exist. Of course God doesn't "Exist", Thats why I described your image of God as Zeus or a Dictoral pupet master, a existent God. Early Chrisitans died saying God does not exist. Even in the OT the idea of a God that was non existent was being grapsed. Why are you all bent on this image of a Zeus God. Do some Hebraic research and understand their progressive dynamic revelation of God. Just because religion has sold you a image does not mean you have to be stuck in that dimension. Free will is not illogical, Free will is true Intent. God is true. I see you ignored my question.
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Post by jetmech on Aug 9, 2020 10:27:33 GMT -5
Some years ago a video entitled THE CLINTON CHRONICLES came out. It was produced by Larry Nichols an ex-hit man for the Clintons. I found it to be extremely interesting, because there were judges on there, Arkansas State Troopers, FBI AGENTS, and lawyers who revealed top secrets of the Clintons. Anyone with even an ounce of maturity, mother-wit, and wisdom can tell right away these professional people were telling the truth about the Clintons. THE CLINTON CHRONICLES can still be found on YOUTUBE and GOOGLE. This country is in big trouble when the NRA gets disbanded, the guns get confiscated from the American populace, and a socialistic/communistic regime is put in place. It will be an America we've never known, and by then, even though many of the advocates of that order finally wake up and smell the coffee ... it will be too late. Political propaganda. Yeah ... right!!! Ever heard of an ostrich with its' head in the sand??? I sure hope you don't REALLY think THE CLINTON CHRONICLES is political propaganda!
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 9, 2020 14:12:30 GMT -5
chuck . Free will is the illogical non-excuse for the so obvious absence of a powerful, compassionate and ever-present god. Please consider this excerpt from the article by a neuroscientist Why Free Will, Prayer and an Omnipotent God Are Mutually Exclusive Let’s look at a real case of evil, that of Slobodan Milošević and his choice of genocide: only three scenarios are possible. One, god knew beforehand the choice Milošević would make and did nothing to prevent the outcome; two, god knew beforehand but could do nothing to change the outcome; or three, god did not know what choice Milošević would make. From these three possibilities we must come to a conclusion that is irrefutable, undeniable, and logically immune to any counterargument. In a world in which evil and suffering exist, god is either all-powerful and is responsible for that evil and suffering, through design or neglect, or god is benevolent but not all-powerful. Nothing else is possible, other than the obvious conclusion that god does not exist. Of course God doesn't "Exist", Thats why I described your image of God as Zeus or a Dictoral pupet master, a existent God. Early Chrisitans died saying God does not exist. Even in the OT the idea of a God that was non existent was being grapsed. Why are you all bent on this image of a Zeus God. Do some Hebraic research and understand their progressive dynamic revelation of God. Just because religion has sold you a image does not mean you have to be stuck in that dimension. Free will is not illogical, Free will is true Intent. God is true. I see you ignored my question.
"God is true, " YET "...God doesn't "Exist."
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 9, 2020 14:20:49 GMT -5
Yeah ... right!!! Ever heard of an ostrich with its' head in the sand??? I sure hope you don't REALLY think THE CLINTON CHRONICLES is political propaganda! They were, jet, -they were nothing but political propaganda.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 9, 2020 14:32:17 GMT -5
You take liberties with other peoples posts by telling them what they are saying.
Such as:
"The image you are painting is Zeus."
..." the image you are describing is like a Dictator in the clouds."
You also insist that others reply in a certain way like:
"when you don't want to be expected to explain your position don't inject yourself into the conversation."
You seem to believe that you are in command of the conversation & people should only to reply to you the way that you tell them to.
That is NOT the way people hold a conversation! Sure I take liberties, no-one is willing to to explain why Im wrong, and I have often asked for this to happen. Im not in command that's rediculous, you just dont want to dialogue on the particulars when I ask why you come to whatever conclusion. Ill keep pointing this out because its like ignoring someone who is standing in front of you speaking to you. You keep asking questions like "what is my vision of hell?"
How can I paint you a picture of something I don't even believe exists?
You just keep on demanding that we answer your questions!
Yes, YOU are acting like a little dictator that demands we answer your questions!
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 9, 2020 18:19:24 GMT -5
chuck. Free will is the illogical non-excuse for the so obvious absence of a powerful, compassionate and ever-present god. Please consider this excerpt from the article by a neuroscientist Why Free Will, Prayer and an Omnipotent God Are Mutually Exclusive Let’s look at a real case of evil, that of Slobodan Milošević and his choice of genocide: only three scenarios are possible. One, god knew beforehand the choice Milošević would make and did nothing to prevent the outcome; two, god knew beforehand but could do nothing to change the outcome; or three, god did not know what choice Milošević would make. From these three possibilities we must come to a conclusion that is irrefutable, undeniable, and logically immune to any counterargument. In a world in which evil and suffering exist, god is either all-powerful and is responsible for that evil and suffering, through design or neglect, or god is benevolent but not all-powerful. Nothing else is possible, other than the obvious conclusion that god does not exist. Of course God doesn't "Exist", Thats why I described your image of God as Zeus or a Dictoral pupet master, a existent God. Early Chrisitans died saying God does not exist. Even in the OT the idea of a God that was non existent was being grapsed. Why are you all bent on this image of a Zeus God. Do some Hebraic research and understand their progressive dynamic revelation of God. Just because religion has sold you a image does not mean you have to be stuck in that dimension. Free will is not illogical, Free will is true Intent. God is true. I see you ignored my question. You're doing it again. You think people aren't trying to answer your questions. I'm wondering if you know how to ask questions to get the answers you want.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 9, 2020 18:20:42 GMT -5
Yeah ... right!!! Ever heard of an ostrich with its' head in the sand??? I sure hope you don't REALLY think THE CLINTON CHRONICLES is political propaganda! Sure, there are ostriches. But there are people who stop listening before the rest of the story is told.
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Post by jetmech on Aug 9, 2020 18:32:09 GMT -5
Yeah ... right!!! Ever heard of an ostrich with its' head in the sand??? I sure hope you don't REALLY think THE CLINTON CHRONICLES is political propaganda! Sure, there are ostriches. But there are people who stop listening before the rest of the story is told. When it comes to the Clintons remember what Mark Twain said: " ... you can't pray a lie .. "
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Post by chuck on Aug 9, 2020 18:34:49 GMT -5
Of course God doesn't "Exist", Thats why I described your image of God as Zeus or a Dictoral pupet master, a existent God. Early Chrisitans died saying God does not exist. Even in the OT the idea of a God that was non existent was being grapsed. Why are you all bent on this image of a Zeus God. Do some Hebraic research and understand their progressive dynamic revelation of God. Just because religion has sold you a image does not mean you have to be stuck in that dimension. Free will is not illogical, Free will is true Intent. God is true. I see you ignored my question. You're doing it again. You think people aren't trying to answer your questions. I'm wondering if you know how to ask questions to get the answers you want. It's pretty clear Bob. Perhaps you would like to answer?. "To the poor and the needy would you agree that these actions are omnipotent?. A person freely giving regardless of the worth or unworthiness of the receiver with no thought of something in return."
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Post by joanna on Aug 9, 2020 18:41:52 GMT -5
chuck. I apologise Chuck as did not notice that was a question but thought it to be a comment. I don't understand your question. The verses you refer to, to substantiate your belief that the Christian god is omnipotent, are written in past tense. Is that inferring that god may have been omnipotent in a sliver of ancient recordings in the bible? For there are other writings where it is evident that the god they write of was not in control.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 9, 2020 18:50:15 GMT -5
Sure, there are ostriches. But there are people who stop listening before the rest of the story is told. When it comes to the Clintons remember what Mark Twain said: " ... you can't pray a lie .. " Likewise, you can't prosecute and punish what turns out not to be a lie. That's the rest of the story. Don't worry -- Clinton got slapped for his lie.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 9, 2020 18:54:48 GMT -5
You're doing it again. You think people aren't trying to answer your questions. I'm wondering if you know how to ask questions to get the answers you want. It's pretty clear Bob. Perhaps you would like to answer?. "To the poor and the needy would you agree that these actions are omnipotent?. A person freely giving regardless of the worth or unworthiness of the receiver with no thought of something in return." I wouldn't even attempt to answer that question. If I were going to answer that, I would have to parse if thoroughly and write a long essay -- something I don't think you could settle yourself to concentrate through.
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Post by jetmech on Aug 9, 2020 18:57:35 GMT -5
When it comes to the Clintons remember what Mark Twain said: " ... you can't pray a lie .. " Likewise, you can't prosecute and punish what turns out not to be a lie. That's the rest of the story. Don't worry -- Clinton got slapped for his lie. I won't worry; but, the "slap" was justified I'd say. I just why you like the Clintons so much? Would you want them running Canada and turning it into a Muslim nation?
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