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Post by matisse on Jul 31, 2020 8:38:30 GMT -5
I just wanted to alert you, -shushy.
I remember some your posts about conspiracy theories concerning Hilary Clinton, -the same kind that Jones claimed. Oh nasty evil Hilary. Certainly not a conspiracy theory. She has devoted her life to public service and has had a positive impact on a lot of lives.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 12:49:16 GMT -5
well if they acctually went ahead with an abortion that really wouldn't make them pro-lifers would it now? yeah yeah no true scotsman... WALLY!
What it does say, wally, -is that YOU and others like yourself simply don't want a woman (and often her husband as well) to decide what is the best for them in their circumstances at that time in their lives as to raising a child!
A child that neither YOU nor those like yourself will ever have to be responsible for that child's well-being & happiness! Yet, you think that YOU know better than others!
Raising a child is something that you know NOTHING about on a personal level, -at least according to own posts.
YOUR position is the very definition of hypocrisy!
no it doesn't what it does say is that a pro-lifer thats would actually do an abortion is the hypocrite and not actually a pro-lifer....
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 31, 2020 16:39:51 GMT -5
WALLY!
What it does say, wally, -is that YOU and others like yourself simply don't want a woman (and often her husband as well) to decide what is the best for them in their circumstances at that time in their lives as to raising a child!
A child that neither YOU nor those like yourself will ever have to be responsible for that child's well-being & happiness! Yet, you think that YOU know better than others!
Raising a child is something that you know NOTHING about on a personal level, -at least according to own posts.
YOUR position is the very definition of hypocrisy!
no it doesn't what it does say is that a pro-lifer thats would actually do an abortion is the hypocrite and not actually a pro-lifer....
Wally, It is easy for someone to take a stand like yours when THEY themselves will never have to actually do anything about it.
Therein lies the hypocrisy.
From what I read in your posts, I have not seen the evidence that you are nearly as concerned about people who are already living as you appear to be in your stand on abortion.
Words without actions mean very little.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 0:40:48 GMT -5
no it doesn't what it does say is that a pro-lifer thats would actually do an abortion is the hypocrite and not actually a pro-lifer....
Wally, It is easy for someone to take a stand like yours when THEY themselves will never have to actually do anything about it.
Therein lies the hypocrisy.
From what I read in your posts, I have not seen the evidence that you are nearly as concerned about people who are already living as you appear to be in your stand on abortion.
Words without actions mean very little. thats not hypocrisy. hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense: now if i had been a participant in an abortion and had the stance i do that would be hypocrisy...
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 1, 2020 4:07:51 GMT -5
Wally, It is easy for someone to take a stand like yours when THEY themselves will never have to actually do anything about it.
Therein lies the hypocrisy.
From what I read in your posts, I have not seen the evidence that you are nearly as concerned about people who are already living as you appear to be in your stand on abortion.
Words without actions mean very little. thats not hypocrisy. hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense: now if i had been a participant in an abortion and had the stance i do that would be hypocrisy... Wally! You are trying to keep the meaning of hypocrisy confined to a reversal of just one action!
With the subject of abortion what we are talking about is a sperm & egg which has united but is not yet a viable, living, breathing person who could survive outside in the world!
Anyone can take what they like to believe is a morally superior position as against abortion.
I am telling you is that is an easy stand for you to take because such a stand costs you nothing and there is no consequences to yourself because YOU will never have to make such personal decision!
What I said previously was:
"From what I read in your posts, I have not seen the evidence that you are nearly as concerned about people who are already living as you appear to be in your stand on abortion,"
I still stand by that evaluation!
What I have read does not show me that you have taken any similar stand concerning people who are already living who would benefit from such a stand from you.
hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 7:53:54 GMT -5
thats not hypocrisy. hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense: now if i had been a participant in an abortion and had the stance i do that would be hypocrisy... Wally! You are trying to keep the meaning of hypocrisy confined to a reversal of just one action!
With the subject of abortion what we are talking about is a sperm & egg which has united but is not yet a viable, living, breathing person who could survive outside in the world!
Anyone can take what they like to believe is a morally superior position as against abortion.
I am telling you is that is an easy stand for you to take because such a stand costs you nothing and there is no consequences to yourself because YOU will never have to make such personal decision!
What I said previously was:
"From what I read in your posts, I have not seen the evidence that you are nearly as concerned about people who are already living as you appear to be in your stand on abortion,"
I still stand by that evaluation!
What I have read does not show me that you have taken any similar stand concerning people who are already living who would benefit from such a stand from you.
hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense:
trying to revise a definition doesn't help your position...
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 1, 2020 16:05:24 GMT -5
Wally! You are trying to keep the meaning of hypocrisy confined to a reversal of just one action!
With the subject of abortion what we are talking about is a sperm & egg which has united but is not yet a viable, living, breathing person who could survive outside in the world!
Anyone can take what they like to believe is a morally superior position as against abortion.
I am telling you is that is an easy stand for you to take because such a stand costs you nothing and there is no consequences to yourself because YOU will never have to make such personal decision!
What I said previously was:
"From what I read in your posts, I have not seen the evidence that you are nearly as concerned about people who are already living as you appear to be in your stand on abortion,"
I still stand by that evaluation!
What I have read does not show me that you have taken any similar stand concerning people who are already living who would benefit from such a stand from you.
hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense:
trying to revise a definition doesn't help your position... hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 18:45:30 GMT -5
come now...50+ million babies dead as a result of her work? bit player? With clinics available to provide safe procedures, women no longer have to risk their lives in back alleys to terminate a pregnancy. Sanger focused a lot of energy on educating women about their bodies and about birth control methods that would prevent unwanted pregnancies and reduce the demand for abortion. As I said, you can be sure that some percentage of abortions have been provided to pro-lifers caught between a rock and a hard place. BLM right?
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Post by matisse on Aug 1, 2020 19:23:26 GMT -5
With clinics available to provide safe procedures, women no longer have to risk their lives in back alleys to terminate a pregnancy. Sanger focused a lot of energy on educating women about their bodies and about birth control methods that would prevent unwanted pregnancies and reduce the demand for abortion. As I said, you can be sure that some percentage of abortions have been provided to pro-lifers caught between a rock and a hard place. BLM right? I trust individual women to make choices that make sense to them. IMO, it's not my business and not yours either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 21:20:15 GMT -5
I trust individual women to make choices that make sense to them. IMO, it's not my business and not yours either. so your throwing BLM's under the bus when it suits you...typical...its everyone's business when babies are slaughtered in the womb....
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 1, 2020 21:31:09 GMT -5
With clinics available to provide safe procedures, women no longer have to risk their lives in back alleys to terminate a pregnancy. Sanger focused a lot of energy on educating women about their bodies and about birth control methods that would prevent unwanted pregnancies and reduce the demand for abortion. As I said, you can be sure that some percentage of abortions have been provided to pro-lifers caught between a rock and a hard place. BLM right? Your link is a tweet from ye @kanyewest.West is a singer. Rapper .singer .songwriter .record producer .fashion designer .philanthropist. businessmanWhy should anyone believe that he knows the truth of what he is tweeting when it deals with information outside of his occupation?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 21:36:00 GMT -5
Your link is a tweet from ye @kanyewest.West is a singer. Rapper .singer .songwriter .record producer .fashion designer .philanthropist. businessmanWhy should anyone believe that he knows the truth of what he is tweeting when it deals with information outside of his occupation? you don't have to be of any particular occupation to look up a statistic...
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 1, 2020 21:38:31 GMT -5
I trust individual women to make choices that make sense to them. IMO, it's not my business and not yours either. so your throwing BLM's under the bus when it suits you...typical...its everyone's business when babies are slaughtered in the womb.... My, Wally! How fast you change your concerns about blacks when you think it might suit your own stand!
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 1, 2020 21:42:35 GMT -5
Your link is a tweet from ye @kanyewest.West is a singer. Rapper .singer .songwriter .record producer .fashion designer .philanthropist. businessmanWhy should anyone believe that he knows the truth of what he is tweeting when it deals with information outside of his occupation? you don't have to be of any particular occupation to look up a statistic... The occupation part has much more to do with the ability to INTERPRET the statistics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 21:44:38 GMT -5
so your throwing BLM's under the bus when it suits you...typical...its everyone's business when babies are slaughtered in the womb.... My, Wally! How fast you change your concerns about blacks when you think it might suit your own stand!
i have concerns about blacks just none for the marxist, racist BLM movement...you should be more concerned about matisse's throwing BLM under the bus...shes suppose to be your ally....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 21:46:10 GMT -5
you don't have to be of any particular occupation to look up a statistic... The occupation part has much more to do with the ability to INTERPRET the statistics. oh really? whats to interpret with 22+ million dead black babies? curious minds want to know....
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 1, 2020 21:47:28 GMT -5
Your link is a tweet from ye @kanyewest.West is a singer. Rapper .singer .songwriter .record producer .fashion designer .philanthropist. businessmanWhy should anyone believe that he knows the truth of what he is tweeting when it deals with information outside of his occupation? you don't have to be of any particular occupation to look up a statistic... But one does have to have the ability to find statistics that are reliable. Something that I don't think you have quite mastered yet.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 1, 2020 21:48:47 GMT -5
The occupation part has much more to do with the ability to INTERPRET the statistics. oh really? whats to interpret with 22+ million dead black babies? curious minds want to know.... Don't worry -- you can't afford the explanation.
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Post by matisse on Aug 1, 2020 21:55:13 GMT -5
I trust individual women to make choices that make sense to them. IMO, it's not my business and not yours either. so your throwing BLM's under the bus when it suits you...typical...its everyone's business when babies are slaughtered in the womb.... When 'Black Lives Matter' is Invoked in the Abortion Debate by John Eligon July 6, 2019 New York TimesHere is the beginning of the article (emphasis mine). You should really read the entire thing:ST. LOUIS — As a pastor, Clinton Stancil counsels his black congregants that abortion is akin to the taking of innocent life. But as a civil rights activist, Mr. Stancil urges them to understand the social forces that prompt black women to have abortions at disproportionately high rates. The national debate over abortion has focused of late on when a heartbeat is discernible in the fetus, on the rights of women to make choices over their bodies and on the vast schism between the opposing views on ending pregnancies. But to many African-Americans like Mr. Stancil, who is the pastor of Wayman A.M.E. Church in St. Louis, abortion cannot be debated without considering the quality of urban schools. Or the disproportionately high unemployment rate in black communities. Or the significant racial disparities in health care. “As much as I believe with all my heart about the killing, the taking of innocent lives, I also believe that I will never support giving white legislators ( @wally ) who have no interest in our community the ability to tell our women what they can do with their bodies,” Mr. Stancil said of sweeping abortion restrictions recently approved in Missouri.
The racial intolerance that exists in the country is an intrinsic part of the discussion. “Black Lives Matter,” a motto born of the abuse black people suffer at the hands of police officers, can be heard on both sides of the abortion debate among black people, with one side emphasizing the life of the mother and the other the fetus. “Those who are most vocal about abortion and abortion laws are my white brothers and sisters ( @wally ), and yet many of them don’t care about the plight of the poor, the plight of the immigrant, the plight of African-Americans,” said the Rev. Dr. Luke Bobo, a minister from Kansas City, Mo., who is vehemently opposed to abortion. “My argument here is, let’s think about the entire life span of the person.”...Dr. Bobo, the minister from Kansas City, said he counseled women not to have abortions, but at the end of the day, “It’s her choice.” “I cannot manipulate her into agreeing; I cannot guilt her,” he said....
And here is how it ends:The Rev. Michael Jones, the pastor at Friendly Temple Missionary Baptist Church in St. Louis, said that he believed in preserving life, but that he did not “have the power to take away that choice” a woman makes on an abortion. Regardless of what happens with the Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Louis, Mr. Jones said his focus was on the church’s efforts to help and empower black lives. “We’re really concentrating on meeting the needs beyond the birth of a child,” Mr. Jones said, adding that if a woman decided to have an abortion, “we provide counseling and support for them.” That position is comforting to Briana Bobo, 30, a staunch supporter of abortion rights who is a member of Friendly Temple and Dr. Bobo’s daughter. “Black folks,” she said, “are just a little bit softer and more able to understand, perhaps, different views on abortion and on life.”
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 1, 2020 21:57:27 GMT -5
My, Wally! How fast you change your concerns about blacks when you think it might suit your own stand!
i have concerns about blacks just none for the marxist, racist BLM movement...you should be more concerned about matisse's throwing BLM under the bus...shes suppose to be your ally.... Sorry, wally, -but I trust Matisse to know what she is saying is true far more than I can trust what you say.
Not only that, but I also know that she is far more concerned about the welfare of ALL people than you are, wally.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 22:00:41 GMT -5
you don't have to be of any particular occupation to look up a statistic... But one does have to have the ability to find statistics that are reliable. Something that I don't think you have quite mastered yet.BS....anyone can find anything on the net if they try hard enough especially with guttmacher out there collecting the data on abortions...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 22:04:06 GMT -5
i have concerns about blacks just none for the marxist, racist BLM movement...you should be more concerned about matisse's throwing BLM under the bus...shes suppose to be your ally.... Sorry, wally, -but I trust Matisse to know what she is saying is true far more than I can trust what you say.
Not only that, but I also know that she is far more concerned about the welfare of ALL people than you are, wally.birds of a feather flock together.....i don't think so with one sentence she dismissed millions of babies being killed in the womb....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 22:05:16 GMT -5
so your throwing BLM's under the bus when it suits you...typical...its everyone's business when babies are slaughtered in the womb.... When 'Black Lives Matter' is Invoked in the Abortion Debate by John Eligon July 6, 2019 New York TimesHere is the beginning of the article (emphasis mine). You should really read the entire thing: ST. LOUIS — As a pastor, Clinton Stancil counsels his black congregants that abortion is akin to the taking of innocent life. But as a civil rights activist, Mr. Stancil urges them to understand the social forces that prompt black women to have abortions at disproportionately high rates. The national debate over abortion has focused of late on when a heartbeat is discernible in the fetus, on the rights of women to make choices over their bodies and on the vast schism between the opposing views on ending pregnancies. But to many African-Americans like Mr. Stancil, who is the pastor of Wayman A.M.E. Church in St. Louis, abortion cannot be debated without considering the quality of urban schools. Or the disproportionately high unemployment rate in black communities. Or the significant racial disparities in health care. “As much as I believe with all my heart about the killing, the taking of innocent lives, I also believe that I will never support giving white legislators ( @wally ) who have no interest in our community the ability to tell our women what they can do with their bodies,” Mr. Stancil said of sweeping abortion restrictions recently approved in Missouri.
The racial intolerance that exists in the country is an intrinsic part of the discussion. “Black Lives Matter,” a motto born of the abuse black people suffer at the hands of police officers, can be heard on both sides of the abortion debate among black people, with one side emphasizing the life of the mother and the other the fetus. “Those who are most vocal about abortion and abortion laws are my white brothers and sisters ( @wally ), and yet many of them don’t care about the plight of the poor, the plight of the immigrant, the plight of African-Americans,” said the Rev. Dr. Luke Bobo, a minister from Kansas City, Mo., who is vehemently opposed to abortion. “My argument here is, let’s think about the entire life span of the person.”...Dr. Bobo, the minister from Kansas City, said he counseled women not to have abortions, but at the end of the day, “It’s her choice.” “I cannot manipulate her into agreeing; I cannot guilt her,” he said....sounds like a fishy story to me....
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Post by matisse on Aug 1, 2020 22:15:07 GMT -5
When 'Black Lives Matter' is Invoked in the Abortion Debate by John Eligon July 6, 2019 New York TimesHere is the beginning of the article (emphasis mine). You should really read the entire thing: ST. LOUIS — As a pastor, Clinton Stancil counsels his black congregants that abortion is akin to the taking of innocent life. But as a civil rights activist, Mr. Stancil urges them to understand the social forces that prompt black women to have abortions at disproportionately high rates. The national debate over abortion has focused of late on when a heartbeat is discernible in the fetus, on the rights of women to make choices over their bodies and on the vast schism between the opposing views on ending pregnancies. But to many African-Americans like Mr. Stancil, who is the pastor of Wayman A.M.E. Church in St. Louis, abortion cannot be debated without considering the quality of urban schools. Or the disproportionately high unemployment rate in black communities. Or the significant racial disparities in health care. “As much as I believe with all my heart about the killing, the taking of innocent lives, I also believe that I will never support giving white legislators ( @wally ) who have no interest in our community the ability to tell our women what they can do with their bodies,” Mr. Stancil said of sweeping abortion restrictions recently approved in Missouri.
The racial intolerance that exists in the country is an intrinsic part of the discussion. “Black Lives Matter,” a motto born of the abuse black people suffer at the hands of police officers, can be heard on both sides of the abortion debate among black people, with one side emphasizing the life of the mother and the other the fetus. “Those who are most vocal about abortion and abortion laws are my white brothers and sisters ( @wally ), and yet many of them don’t care about the plight of the poor, the plight of the immigrant, the plight of African-Americans,” said the Rev. Dr. Luke Bobo, a minister from Kansas City, Mo., who is vehemently opposed to abortion. “My argument here is, let’s think about the entire life span of the person.”...Dr. Bobo, the minister from Kansas City, said he counseled women not to have abortions, but at the end of the day, “It’s her choice.” “I cannot manipulate her into agreeing; I cannot guilt her,” he said.... sounds like a fishy story to me.... What about it sounds fishy? Did you read the entire article?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 22:17:09 GMT -5
sounds like a fishy story to me.... What about it sounds fishy? Did you read the entire article? a preacher that is against abortion but at the end of the day "its her choice"...yeah right tell us another big lie...
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 1, 2020 22:24:59 GMT -5
What about it sounds fishy? Did you read the entire article? a preacher that is against abortion but at the end of the day "its her choice"...yeah right tell us another big lie... Of course. Something like the preacher who says he's against voting for Hillary, but at the end of the day says "it's Bob's choice." But I understand --- you believe preachers should RULE.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 22:27:40 GMT -5
a preacher that is against abortion but at the end of the day "its her choice"...yeah right tell us another big lie... Of course. Something like the preacher who says he's against voting for Hillary, but at the end of the day says "it's Bob's choice." But I understand --- you believe preachers should RULE. your example fell flat....it does not involve the taking of a baby in the womb....
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 1, 2020 22:31:21 GMT -5
Of course. Something like the preacher who says he's against voting for Hillary, but at the end of the day says "it's Bob's choice." But I understand --- you believe preachers should RULE. your example fell flat....it does not involve the taking of a baby in the womb.... But it does speak to the reality of life in America and who has the authority to CHOOSE what. A preacher has no more authority to stop a woman from having an abortion than YOU do -- and you're not even a preacher (last I heard).
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