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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 24, 2020 19:50:56 GMT -5
In the same article about QAnon this is an interesting evaluation of why it appeals to people. Appeal and disillusionmentExperts have classified the appeal of QAnon as similar to that of religious cults. According to an expert in online conspiracy, Renee DiResta, the QAnon pattern of enticement is similar to that into cults in the pre-Internet era where, as the targeted person was led deeper and deeper into the group's secrets, they become more and more isolated from friends and family outside of the cult. In the Internet age, QAnon virtual communities have little "real world" connection with each other, but online, they can number in the tens of thousands. Rachel Bernstein, an expert on cults who specializes in recovery therapy, says that "What a movement such as QAnon has going for it, and why it will catch on like wildfire, is that it makes people feel connected to something important that other people don't yet know about. ... All cults will provide this feeling of being special."
There is no self-correction process within the group, since the self-reinforcing true believers are immune to correction, fact-checking, or counter-speech, which is drowned out in the groupthink of the cult. The cultish quality of QAnon has led some to characterize it as a possible emerging religious movement. Part of the appeal of Qanon is its game-like quality, in which followers attempt to solve riddles presented in Qdrops by connecting them to Trump speeches and tweets, and other sources. Some followers use a "Q clock" consisting of a wheel of concentric dials to decode clues based on the timing of Qdrops and Trump tweets. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon
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Post by iam on Jul 25, 2020 0:22:09 GMT -5
If you think you have the same mind as John or Jesus, you’re completely blind. You understand the letter of the law, so to speak, and that’s where it ends. Embarrassing. this verse is about you.... 2Ti_3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. embarrassing. It’s self righteousness like that that makes me want to quit. Repulsive. Nevertheless you do not have the power to change. I accept you as you are regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 0:30:54 GMT -5
Take heart Iam, the exclusive ones are mainly our vintage and are dying out. Give it a few years and all 2x2's will be non-exclusive. There has been a big change in the 80 years of my lifetime, that has to be a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 0:51:06 GMT -5
this verse is about you.... 2Ti_3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. embarrassing. It’s self righteousness like that that makes me want to quit. Repulsive. Nevertheless you do not have the power to change. I accept you as you are regardless. if your looking for change you might want to start with yourself first.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 1:03:41 GMT -5
Give it a few years and this statement will be true.
The Christian religion, though scattered and abroad will in the end gather itself together at the foot of the cross.
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Post by nathan on Jul 25, 2020 6:55:46 GMT -5
Take heart Iam, the exclusive ones are mainly our vintage and are dying out. Give it a few years and all 2x2's will be non-exclusive. There has been a big change in the 80 years of my lifetime, that has to be a good thing. I hope you are kidding... the non-exclusive 2x2s will find themselves outside of the fellowship like Brandon from Texas, and John Long the ex-worker who was excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship in 1907.
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Post by Lee on Jul 25, 2020 9:04:37 GMT -5
Admiralty Law v common Law Lee Its part of the human condition that we will be subject to the conventional qualities and means of law to order and habilitate the human being. I read the Wikipedia article on Admiralty law and it seems there’s a level of kookiness to it where people have sought to redirect it in wholesale attempts to disabuse themselves of the human condition. From a Christian perspective, I believe such efforts represent flawed approaches to life itself. The article I cited offers some concrete ways to distinguish between civil and common law, the former being merely a convention of the power class when beheld or exercised to despotic ends. The line of distinction between civil law and common law will be resolving forever, because at some level money and privilege will always be the possession of any ruling class. Even in Marxism, and especially.
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Post by Lee on Jul 25, 2020 9:30:25 GMT -5
How is the antichrist in me? How is Bob not an antichrist? Luke 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. It’s not Bob that’s the hypocrite, Lee. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. You are in absolutely no position to call anyone the Antichrist. Bob is Marxist and antichrist. Do you know me personally, do you have evidence I exhibit the attitudes or opinions Bob does?
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Post by iam on Jul 25, 2020 11:40:12 GMT -5
Luke 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. It’s not Bob that’s the hypocrite, Lee. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. You are in absolutely no position to call anyone the Antichrist. Bob is Marxist and antichrist. Do you know me personally, do you have eviden ce I exhibit the attitudes or opinions Bob does? Jesus was a friend to the people that people like you consider to be anti christ, Lee. And the people that were pointing fingers at them were the ones that Jesus condemned. Anti Christ is something totally different than “Bob”. If you HONESTLY look at yourself, you will find enough anti christ there to stop you from seeing it in anyone else. If you’re TRULY “professing” then you know this. No wonder only FEW will be saved even among the “professing”. Because that’s what Jesus lived and taught. So much hypocrisy it makes me gag.
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Post by iam on Jul 25, 2020 11:44:25 GMT -5
Take heart Iam, the exclusive ones are mainly our vintage and are dying out. Give it a few years and all 2x2's will be non-exclusive. There has been a big change in the 80 years of my lifetime, that has to be a good thing. I hope you are kidding... the non-exclusive 2x2s will find themselves outside of the fellowship like Brandon from Texas, and John Long the ex-worker who was excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship in 1907.One of the last things I heard Dellas Lineman mention to a self righteous crowd like that at a convention was that there will be surprises in heaven. Interesting that you are sitting as God in the judgment seat, Nathan. But that’s fairly indicative of the doctrines you’re preaching that is contrary to Christ.
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Post by iam on Jul 25, 2020 11:47:31 GMT -5
Take heart Iam, the exclusive ones are mainly our vintage and are dying out. Give it a few years and all 2x2's will be non-exclusive. There has been a big change in the 80 years of my lifetime, that has to be a good thing. You are a kind man. Wish the professing people here could take a page out of your book. Too self important to believe that’s what is needed.
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Post by Lee on Jul 25, 2020 11:49:37 GMT -5
Jesus was not friendly or accommodating to everyone. There are different kinds of sinners, those who are receptive to being repentant in aspects of their lives, those who recognize the general condition of humankind to repent and redirect. Then there are people who reject the idea Jesus represented this condition of mankind before God, and in particular, his atoning sacrifice.
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Post by Lee on Jul 25, 2020 11:54:29 GMT -5
I take him at his word here. We’ve never met in person.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 12:18:18 GMT -5
Bob is Marxist and antichrist. Do you know me personally, do you have eviden ce I exhibit the attitudes or opinions Bob does? Jesus was a friend to the people that people like you consider to be anti christ, Lee. And the people that were pointing fingers at them were the ones that Jesus condemned. Anti Christ is something totally different than “Bob”. If you HONESTLY look at yourself, you will find enough anti christ there to stop you from seeing it in anyone else. If you’re TRULY “professing” then you know this. No wonder only FEW will be saved even among the “professing”. Because that’s what Jesus lived and taught. So much hypocrisy it makes me gag. Christ never hung out with an antichrist that i am aware of never even talked to one either...
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Post by iam on Jul 25, 2020 12:18:59 GMT -5
Jesus was a friend to the people that people like you consider to be anti christ, Lee. And the people that were pointing fingers at them were the ones that Jesus condemned. Anti Christ is something totally different than “Bob”. If you HONESTLY look at yourself, you will find enough anti christ there to stop you from seeing it in anyone else. If you’re TRULY “professing” then you know this. No wonder only FEW will be saved even among the “professing”. Because that’s what Jesus lived and taught. So much hypocrisy it makes me gag. Christ never hung out with an antichrist that i am aware of never even talked to one either... Then I guess he wouldn’t hang out with you
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Post by iam on Jul 25, 2020 12:20:59 GMT -5
Jesus was not friendly or accommodating to everyone. There are different kinds of sinners, those who are receptive to being repentant in aspects of their lives, those who recognize the general condition of humankind to repent and redirect. Then there are people who reject the idea Jesus represented this condition of mankind before God, and in particular, his atoning sacrifice. Receptive to someone like Jesus is MUCH different than being receptive to you. You don’t seem to understand how great the difference is.
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Post by Lee on Jul 25, 2020 12:24:00 GMT -5
Whether I grasp that difference or not, it’s still correct to call things according to their names, be it antichristian, Marxist, etc
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 12:25:49 GMT -5
Christ never hung out with an antichrist that i am aware of never even talked to one either... Then I guess he wouldn’t hang out with you your far more of an antichrist than i'll ever be....
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Post by iam on Jul 25, 2020 12:32:48 GMT -5
Then I guess he wouldn’t hang out with you your far more of an antichrist than i'll ever be.... You’re blind, Wally. But that’s ok.
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Post by iam on Jul 25, 2020 12:33:51 GMT -5
Whether I grasp that difference or not, it’s still correct to call things according to their names, be it antichristian, Marxist, etc Except when it comes to identifying the anti christ in oneself apparently.
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Post by Lee on Jul 25, 2020 12:36:25 GMT -5
By what criteria would you convict me?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 12:38:42 GMT -5
By what criteria would you convict me? you'll have to forgive iam shes on the verge of leaving the truth so lashes out at anyone and anything that challenges her new world view....
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Post by Lee on Jul 25, 2020 12:56:56 GMT -5
I wish her well. There is nothing easy about coming to terms with departing with one community and melding with another, if that’s her situation. Our first orientation to life is social, less cognitive or abstract in thinking. My tone probably offends some, like Trump’s does. My ex FIL was “gruff” and I tended to take offense. Hugh Hewitt says people have an aesthetic abhorrence to Trump. Dennis Pragers motto is he prefers clarity to agreement.
I would not recommend this board to anyone in transition.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 25, 2020 18:37:14 GMT -5
Luke 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. It’s not Bob that’s the hypocrite, Lee. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. You are in absolutely no position to call anyone the Antichrist. Bob is Marxist and antichrist. Do you know me personally, do you have evidence I exhibit the attitudes or opinions Bob does? Lee, before you or anyone else on this forum keeps throwing around the term "anti-christ" against other people, they need to do a bit of a study of the term "Antichrist" In Christian eschatology, the Antichrist, or anti-Christ, is a person prophesied by the Bible to oppose Christ and substitute himself in Christ's place before the Second Coming.
The term (including one plural form) is found five times in the New Testament, solely in the First and Second Epistle of John. The Antichrist is announced as the one "who denies the Father and the Son."
That is the ONLY book in the bible the term is even used! But wow! -that term surely has been used freely ever since by the supposed "righteous" to condemn anyone with whom they disagree.
All of you need to read this book. It is by a local author that we know well who might inform you on the subject.
That is is of course, if you have any kind of of open mind at all which not closed by your own blinders. Naming the Antichrist
The History of an American Obsession
Robert C. Fuller
The Antichrist, though mentioned a mere four times in the Bible, and then only obscurely, has exercised a tight hold on popular imagination throughout history.
In Naming the Antichrist, Fuller takes us on a fascinating journey through the dark side of the American religious psyche, from the earliest American colonists right up to contemporary fundamentalists such as Pat Robertson and Hal Lindsey.
Fuller begins by offering a brief history of the idea of the Antichrist and its origins in the apocalyptic thought in the Judeo-Christian tradition, and traces the eventual migration of the Antichrist legend across the Atlantic.
He shows how the colonists saw Antichrist personified in everyone from native Americans to the Church of England. He looks at the Second Great Awakening in the early nineteenth century, showing how such prominent Americans as Yale president Timothy Dwight saw the work of the Antichrist in phenomena ranging from the French Revolution to Masonry.
In the twentieth century, Fuller finds a startling array of hate-mongers, such as the Ku Klux Klan, who drew on apocalyptic imagery in their attacks on Jews, Catholics, blacks, socialists, and others.
(note: Lee does that word "socialists," bring anything to your mind?
Finally, he considers contemporary fundamentalist writers such as Hal Lindsey and a host of others who have found Antichrist in the sinister guise of the European Economic Community, feminism, and even supermarket barcodes and fibre optics.
Throughout, Fuller reveals in vivid detail how our unique American obsession with the Antichrist reflects the struggle to understand ourselves--and our enemies--within the mythic context of the battle of absolute good versus absolute evil.
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Post by Lee on Jul 26, 2020 19:09:27 GMT -5
It’s a good obsession insofar as Americans are more concerned with the battle between good and evil.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 26, 2020 19:19:18 GMT -5
It’s a good obsession insofar as Americans are more concerned with the battle between good and evil. More concerned that who about this battle?
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Post by nathan on Jul 26, 2020 20:58:25 GMT -5
I hope you are kidding... the non-exclusive 2x2s will find themselves outside of the fellowship like Brandon from Texas, and John Long the ex-worker who was excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship in 1907. One of the last things I heard Dellas Lineman mention to a self righteous crowd like that at a convention was that there will be surprises in heaven. Interesting that you are sitting as God in the judgment seat, Nathan. But that’s fairly indicative of the doctrines you’re preaching that is contrary to Christ. That is your own 2x2s non-exclusive interpretation.... MOST of the 2x2 workers around the world believe and preach in Jesus exclusivity; His Way and Truth or the highway. Do you think the workers are preaching contrary to Christ? I don't THINK SO! It's you and your non-exclusive 2x2 in our fellowship are teaching/believing contrary to the teachings of the workers, the apostles and Christ.
The early days workers and friends at convention= 200 friends and workers agreed to excommunicated John Long in 1907, the non-exclusive 2x2 workers who sent his 2x2s converts to join the Church of their choice like the Faith Mission belief/teaching non-exclusive. The workers told John Long that his method of non-exclusive teaching and belief did NOT agree with the REST of the workers and the friends. There is the door! and he was excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship. ONLY 1 professing friend out of 200 workers and friends agree with John Long's non-exclusive belief/teaching.
About 7 years ago, we had a professing friend name Brandon from Texas, who expressed his non-exclusive belief at conventions, and in his Sunday morning meetings. The Church elders and the overseer had a few visited with him and asked Brandon NOT to take part in the testimonies in Sunday morning meetings and at conventions. He was welcome to attend and take the emblems but NOT to share his testimonies. A few month later, he left the 2x2s and join his girlfriend 1 of 40,000 Protestant denominations and they LIVE happily ever.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 26, 2020 22:24:18 GMT -5
Jesus was not friendly or accommodating to everyone. There are different kinds of sinners, those who are receptive to being repentant in aspects of their lives, those who recognize the general condition of humankind to repent and redirect. Then there are people who reject the idea Jesus represented this condition of mankind before God, and in particular, his atoning sacrifice. That "atoning sacrifice" is a idea that has always been a part of every religion since mankind begin to try to understand why certain things happened.
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