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dmmichgood You used the word reality I responded to that. I assure you I do exist. S orry, but my reply didn't mean anything as to whether YOU exist or not.
Maybe I didn't explain it very well.
You said that : "Math 24 is part of a trail or path of revelation in the word directing us to learn and understand and accept what is happening. Knowledge is power. In this case it brings me comfort."
I meant that Matt:24 is not true or real in the sense of the meaning of reality because by definition of the term "reality" is the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.
So, what I meant is that even though Matt 24 might have at one time "brought me comfort," now since I realize that it is not real or true and is not what is reality but is rather only a "notion" or an "ideal," - I can no longer just accept as a truth just because it's "comfort."
I have to be honest with myself and accept things as they really are, - as in reality.
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Not to mention the evil of destroying something which is being useful without hurting anyone. The same cannot be so easily said for the 2x2 church. Registered as a charity (supposedly an organization to help the poor), yet helping nobody. One has only to skim through Wings of Truth to realize that the "not hurting anyone" claim doesn't stand. And that's just in the case of the most obvious and greatest evil. Why have you posted a lie? Which part? I was under the impression that they had been registered as a Charity as of 2014. I see now they have changed to "no longer in operation" as of 2019. I guess that's the t/Truth? So I suppose you're right - I was incorrect. They're a "former charity who helps no one". www.acnc.gov.au/charity/00e53de52bc084b031a73306ed277264#financials-documentsAmusingly, under the Heading "Responsible People", there aren't any listed! I guess they got some things right! 😆😆😆
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Post by speak on May 21, 2020 22:55:12 GMT -5
Why have you posted a lie? Which part? I was under the impression that they had been registered as a Charity as of 2014. I see now they have changed to "no longer in operation" as of 2019. I guess that's the t/Truth? So I suppose you're right - I was incorrect. They're a "former charity who helps no one".www.acnc.gov.au/charity/00e53de52bc084b031a73306ed277264#financials-documentsAmusingly, under the Heading "Responsible People", there aren't any listed! I guess they got some things right! 😆😆😆 An other lie.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 21, 2020 23:29:30 GMT -5
Which part? I was under the impression that they had been registered as a Charity as of 2014. I see now they have changed to "no longer in operation" as of 2019. I guess that's the t/Truth? So I suppose you're right - I was incorrect. They're a "former charity who helps no one".www.acnc.gov.au/charity/00e53de52bc084b031a73306ed277264#financials-documentsAmusingly, under the Heading "Responsible People", there aren't any listed! I guess they got some things right! 😆😆😆 An other lie. Speak, -you just keep saying this is a "lie" but which part of it is a lie?Which part of this is a lie? www.acnc.gov.au/charity/00e53de52bc084b031a73306ed277264#financials-documents Charity registration is voluntarily revoked
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Speak, -you just keep saying this is a "lie" but which part of it is a lie?Which part of this is a lie?        www.acnc.gov.au/charity/00e53de52bc084b031a73306ed277264#financials-documents                             Charity registration is voluntarily revoked
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"Lie" is an easy accusation to claim if you're a member of the "truth"... Us unwashed worldlings aren't so lucky.
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Post by speak on May 22, 2020 5:05:04 GMT -5
Speak, -you just keep saying this is a "lie" but which part of it is a lie?Which part of this is a lie? www.acnc.gov.au/charity/00e53de52bc084b031a73306ed277264#financials-documents Charity registration is voluntarily revoked
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Speak, -you just keep saying this is a "lie" but which part of it is a lie?Which part of this is a lie?        www.acnc.gov.au/charity/00e53de52bc084b031a73306ed277264#financials-documents                             Charity registration is voluntarily revoked
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The highlighted piece. Are you suggesting that Christian Conventions Of Victoria either wasn't a registered charity, or that they in fact made charitable contributions? (I was meaning monetary of course, when I said "helps no one"). If you are suggesting "helps no one" is a lie in the broad sense, I would contend that false comfort and bad beliefs aren't helpful, pleasing though they may be to those who wish them to be true. This would be an opinion of course. If an opinion can be a lie, then there's little point speaking in rational terms.
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Post by shushy on May 22, 2020 15:55:40 GMT -5
People turn their back on God for many reasons. Mostly hurt, dissapointment. We blame him forthings he didnt do.
The good thing is if you ever accepted Jesus Christ as Lord he wont foresake you. He doesnt let you go. Sooner or later he brings you back.
How does he do that? He allows you to go through seasons in your life to the point where you cry out his name. Then you return to him in your brokenness. He wipes away your tears and he comfirts you. He doesnt condemn you.
It is the father who calls us and the holy spirit who convicts us.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 22, 2020 17:10:55 GMT -5
People turn their back on God for many reasons. Mostly hurt, dissapointment. We blame him forthings he didnt do. The good thing is if you ever accepted Jesus Christ as Lord he wont foresake you. He doesnt let you go. Sooner or later he brings you back. How does he do that? He allows you to go through seasons in your life to the point where you cry out his name. Then you return to him in your brokenness. He wipes away your tears and he comfirts you. He doesnt condemn you. It is the father who calls us and the holy spirit who convicts us. That must be why I'm finding tissues all over the place when I wake up in the morning.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 17:39:37 GMT -5
People turn their back on God for many reasons. Mostly hurt, dissapointment. We blame him forthings he didnt do. The good thing is if you ever accepted Jesus Christ as Lord he wont foresake you. He doesnt let you go. Sooner or later he brings you back. How does he do that? He allows you to go through seasons in your life to the point where you cry out his name. Then you return to him in your brokenness. He wipes away your tears and he comfirts you. He doesnt condemn you. It is the father who calls us and the holy spirit who convicts us. I think that if we wish to know the true reasons why people turn their back on God it is better to ask people who have actually turned their back on God. I suspect that most people on TMB who have turned their back on God have done it not as a result of hurt or disappointment, but because they came to realise that God wasn’t actually there. That was certainly the case with me. And I don’t suspect that Jesus will be bringing any of us back sooner or later. It seems to me that Jesus has had enough problems bringing himself back given that it’s nearly two thousand years since he promised he’d be back soon and there is still no sign of him. And as regards blaming God for things he didn’t do, I think the issue is not so much that the people here who turned their back on God blame him for doing things he didn’t do, but rather that they hadn’t seen any evidence of him ever doing anything. Had they seen any evidence of him actually doing something then it is unlikely that they would have turned their back on him. Matt10
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Post by shushy on May 22, 2020 19:32:03 GMT -5
People turn their back on God for many reasons. Mostly hurt, dissapointment. We blame him forthings he didnt do. The good thing is if you ever accepted Jesus Christ as Lord he wont foresake you. He doesnt let you go. Sooner or later he brings you back. How does he do that? He allows you to go through seasons in your life to the point where you cry out his name. Then you return to him in your brokenness. He wipes away your tears and he comfirts you. He doesnt condemn you. It is the father who calls us and the holy spirit who convicts us. That must be why I'm finding tissues all over the place when I wake up in the morning. Oh, stop it.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 22, 2020 20:18:33 GMT -5
People turn their back on God for many reasons. Mostly hurt, dissapointment. We blame him forthings he didnt do. The good thing is if you ever accepted Jesus Christ as Lord he wont foresake you. He doesnt let you go. Sooner or later he brings you back. How does he do that? He allows you to go through seasons in your life to the point where you cry out his name. Then you return to him in your brokenness. He wipes away your tears and he comfirts you. He doesnt condemn you. It is the father who calls us and the holy spirit who convicts us. Is this part of one of the fantasies you believe in?
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Post by Brick on May 22, 2020 22:09:24 GMT -5
People turn their back on God because they created him in their own image. We read the old testament prophets talking about the Children of Israel angering God, but what really happened is that the Children of Israel angered the prophets. What god would trick someone into thinking they have to kill their son? What god would kill his own son? What god would promote genocide? People expect a god to behave in the way they have read that he behaved, but he underwent a drastic behavioral change after the old testament was written. He kind of distanced himself from humanity after we killed his son.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 22, 2020 22:48:25 GMT -5
People turn their back on God for many reasons. Mostly hurt, dissapointment. We blame him forthings he didnt do. The good thing is if you ever accepted Jesus Christ as Lord he wont foresake you. He doesnt let you go. Sooner or later he brings you back. How does he do that? He allows you to go through seasons in your life to the point where you cry out his name. Then you return to him in your brokenness. He wipes away your tears and he comfirts you. He doesnt condemn you. It is the father who calls us and the holy spirit who convicts us. I think that if we wish to know the true reasons why people turn their back on God it is better to ask people who have actually turned their back on God. I suspect that most people on TMB who have turned their back on God have done it not as a result of hurt or disappointment, but because they came to realise that God wasn’t actually there. That was certainly the case with me. And I don’t suspect that Jesus will be bringing any of us back sooner or later. It seems to me that Jesus has had enough problems bringing himself back given that it’s nearly two thousand years since he promised he’d be back soon and there is still no sign of him. And as regards blaming God for things he didn’t do, I think the issue is not so much that the people here who turned their back on God blame him for doing things he didn’t do, but rather that they hadn’t seen any evidence of him ever doing anything. Had they seen any evidence of him actually doing something then it is unlikely that they would have turned their back on him. Matt10 Thanks Matt, you nailed it again!
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I think that if we wish to know the true reasons why people turn their back on God it is better to ask people who have actually turned their back on God. I suspect that most people on TMB who have turned their back on God have done it not as a result of hurt or disappointment, but because they came to realise that God wasn’t actually there. That was certainly the case with me. And I don’t suspect that Jesus will be bringing any of us back sooner or later. It seems to me that Jesus has had enough problems bringing himself back given that it’s nearly two thousand years since he promised he’d be back soon and there is still no sign of him. And as regards blaming God for things he didn’t do, I think the issue is not so much that the people here who turned their back on God blame him for doing things he didn’t do, but rather that they hadn’t seen any evidence of him ever doing anything. Had they seen any evidence of him actually doing something then it is unlikely that they would have turned their back on him. Matt10 Thanks Matt, you nailed it again!Matt10 Im sorry I was brainstorming my life experience not thinking about how atheists think or have concluded where they are at.
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Post by Dan on May 23, 2020 4:40:49 GMT -5
People turn their back on God for many reasons. Mostly hurt, dissapointment. We blame him forthings he didnt do. The good thing is if you ever accepted Jesus Christ as Lord he wont foresake you. He doesnt let you go. Sooner or later he brings you back. How does he do that? He allows you to go through seasons in your life to the point where you cry out his name. Then you return to him in your brokenness. He wipes away your tears and he comfirts you. He doesnt condemn you. It is the father who calls us and the holy spirit who convicts us.
I think people turn from God because they simply lose faith. I did once, but I came back. Some people never do though. And as Matt wrote, you can't really turn your back on something you never accepted as being real in the first place. But those who believed once can return to the faith (Prodigals son). Once a person is convinced that no God exist though, its very difficult and highly unlikely that a hard hearted person can revert back. They simply can't trust anything unless they can literally see it. jmo
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 9:27:27 GMT -5
People turn their back on God for many reasons. Mostly hurt, dissapointment. We blame him forthings he didnt do. The good thing is if you ever accepted Jesus Christ as Lord he wont foresake you. He doesnt let you go. Sooner or later he brings you back. How does he do that? He allows you to go through seasons in your life to the point where you cry out his name. Then you return to him in your brokenness. He wipes away your tears and he comfirts you. He doesnt condemn you. It is the father who calls us and the holy spirit who convicts us. I think people turn from God because they simply lose faith. I did once, but I came back. Some people never do though. And as Matt wrote, you can't really turn your back on something you never accepted as being real in the first place. But those who believed once can return to the faith (Prodigals son). Once a person is convinced that no God exist though, its very difficult and highly unlikely that a hard hearted person can revert back. They simply can't trust anything unless they can literally see it. jmo
I think I should point out that I didn’t actually write what you have suggested I did. And at no point did I suggest that any of the TMB members to whom I referred never accepted the Christian God as being real. I think it is fairly clear that most of the people I referred to accepted the Christian God as being real prior to turning their back on him. I think I should also point out that it is not a case of non believers only trusting things they can see. No unbeliever distrusts the law of gravity. The reason why non believers don’t trust the Christian God is not because they can’t see Him but because they can’t see any evidence of Him. And it isn’t for the want of looking. I’ve been inviting believers here to produce some evidence for the existence of the Christian God for ten years and so far they have produced nothing. (Which, somewhat ironically, is what you produced when I invited you (twice) to produce evidence to support your claim that the bible was inspired 🥴) Matt10
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Post by openingact34 on May 23, 2020 9:48:13 GMT -5
Arguing about whether God exists is boring and never conclusive. We are probably thousands of years away from the research necessary to scientifically prove that point.
It is much more productive to accept a believer's God as existent and their holy book as true. Then you can have a fruitful discussion about the moral character of their God.
One of my favorite things to do is engage a Christian who preaches all sweetness and love and help them understand what an utterly evil torture monster their God really is, by simply using the words of the Bible. I couldn't care less about converting them to atheism. The genocide, child sexual slavery, directed mass killings, and threats of eternal torture are sufficient reason for anyone of decent moral character to reject God, whether he is real or imaginary. You only need dig a little bit to see how this nasty character has inserted himself into the minds of the followers. Eventually the reality of what they worship washes over them, and the hatred and threats against me start pouring out.
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Are you suggesting that Christian Conventions Of Victoria either wasn't a registered charity, or that they in fact made charitable contributions? (I was meaning monetary of course, when I said "helps no one"). If you are suggesting "helps no one" is a lie in the broad sense, I would contend that false comfort and bad beliefs aren't helpful, pleasing though they may be to those who wish them to be true. This would be an opinion of course. If an opinion can be a lie, then there's little point speaking in rational terms. I'm still waiting. I've been called a "liar" by people in the "truth🙄" before, and generally they either are taking exception at an opinion, or they are just wrong. I would like an answer though - was this Christian Conventions Of Victoria a. Not registered as a charity b. Helping in the capacity of a registered charity, or c. Helping in a more subjective manner (which would be an opinion). And if (as I suspect) it's "c", can an opinion be a lie?
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Post by speak on May 23, 2020 20:37:51 GMT -5
Are you suggesting that Christian Conventions Of Victoria either wasn't a registered charity, or that they in fact made charitable contributions? (I was meaning monetary of course, when I said "helps no one"). If you are suggesting "helps no one" is a lie in the broad sense, I would contend that false comfort and bad beliefs aren't helpful, pleasing though they may be to those who wish them to be true. This would be an opinion of course. If an opinion can be a lie, then there's little point speaking in rational terms. I'm still waiting. I've been called a "liar" by people in the "truth🙄" before, and generally they either are taking exception at an opinion, or they are just wrong. I would like an answer though - was this Christian Conventions Of Victoria a. Not registered as a charity b. Helping in the capacity of a registered charity, or c. Helping in a more subjective manner (which would be an opinion). And if (as I suspect) it's "c", can an opinion be a lie? Why did you say we help no one?
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Post by ForeverFree on May 23, 2020 20:58:12 GMT -5
Which part? I was under the impression that they had been registered as a Charity as of 2014. I see now they have changed to "no longer in operation" as of 2019. I guess that's the t/Truth? So I suppose you're right - I was incorrect. They're a "former charity who helps no one".www.acnc.gov.au/charity/00e53de52bc084b031a73306ed277264#financials-documentsAmusingly, under the Heading "Responsible People", there aren't any listed! I guess they got some things right! 😆😆😆 An other lie. Prove that this is a lie.
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Post by ForeverFree on May 23, 2020 21:02:28 GMT -5
I think people turn from God because they simply lose faith. I did once, but I came back. Some people never do though. And as Matt wrote, you can't really turn your back on something you never accepted as being real in the first place. But those who believed once can return to the faith (Prodigals son). Once a person is convinced that no God exist though, its very difficult and highly unlikely that a hard hearted person can revert back. They simply can't trust anything unless they can literally see it. jmo So you are saying that anyone who does not believe that a God exists, is a hard hearted person. That's a pretty general assumption of people that you have never met. Your colours are showing.
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Post by Dan on May 23, 2020 21:02:30 GMT -5
I think people turn from God because they simply lose faith. I did once, but I came back. Some people never do though. And as Matt wrote, you can't really turn your back on something you never accepted as being real in the first place. But those who believed once can return to the faith (Prodigals son). Once a person is convinced that no God exist though, its very difficult and highly unlikely that a hard hearted person can revert back. They simply can't trust anything unless they can literally see it. jmo
I think I should point out that I didn’t actually write what you have suggested I did. And at no point did I suggest that any of the TMB members to whom I referred never accepted the Christian God as being real. I think it is fairly clear that most of the people I referred to accepted the Christian God as being real prior to turning their back on him. I think I should also point out that it is not a case of non believers only trusting things they can see. No unbeliever distrusts the law of gravity. The reason why non believers don’t trust the Christian God is not because they can’t see Him but because they can’t see any evidence of Him. And it isn’t for the want of looking. I’ve been inviting believers here to produce some evidence for the existence of the Christian God for ten years and so far they have produced nothing. (Which, somewhat ironically, is what you produced when I invited you (twice) to produce evidence to support your claim that the bible was inspired 🥴) Matt10
I was paraphrasing you, not quoting you. You wrote, "The reason people turn their back on the Christian God is because they come to realize that he isn’t there." And I interpreted that as meaning, "You can't really turn your back on something you never accepted as being real in the first place." Not a huge difference, but point taken.
My other point didn't go into detail, but it was simply that nonbelievers seek observable physical evidence to prove the existence of God, and gravity can be observed. And I did mention Isaiah 53 and Psalms 22 as evidence that the bible is inspired. But when a person rejects a fulfilled prophecy as being mere happenstance, I consider that as turning a blind eye to something they can't explain. In any event, the evidence for the Christian God was here 2000 years ago, and now its up to every individual to either accept it by faith, or reject it in doubt. Just a reminder, "They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garment." (Psalm 22:18), and a thousand years later, "They divided up his clothes by casting lots" (Matthew 27:35). That's either one heck of a coincidence or proof of divine inspiration, I choose the latter.
The evidence of God is all around you, its creation itself. Tell me the origin of a tree, what was the cause? Show me the evidence of how life sprang from non-life? Creationism is the only logical conclusion, God is the unseen uncaused cause of all that exist.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 23, 2020 21:11:42 GMT -5
I think I should point out that I didn’t actually write what you have suggested I did. And at no point did I suggest that any of the TMB members to whom I referred never accepted the Christian God as being real. I think it is fairly clear that most of the people I referred to accepted the Christian God as being real prior to turning their back on him. I think I should also point out that it is not a case of non believers only trusting things they can see. No unbeliever distrusts the law of gravity. The reason why non believers don’t trust the Christian God is not because they can’t see Him but because they can’t see any evidence of Him. And it isn’t for the want of looking. I’ve been inviting believers here to produce some evidence for the existence of the Christian God for ten years and so far they have produced nothing. (Which, somewhat ironically, is what you produced when I invited you (twice) to produce evidence to support your claim that the bible was inspired 🥴) Matt10
I was paraphrasing you, not quoting you. You wrote, "The reason people turn their back on the Christian God is because they come to realize that he isn’t there." And I interpreted that as meaning, "You can't really turn your back on something you never accepted as being real in the first place." Not a huge difference, but point taken.
My other point didn't go into detail, but it was simply that nonbelievers seek observable physical evidence to prove the existence of God, and gravity can be observed. And I did mention Isaiah 53 and Psalms 22 as evidence that the bible is inspired. But when a person rejects a fulfilled prophecy as being mere happenstance, I consider that as turning a blind eye to something they can't explain. In any event, the evidence for the Christian God was here 2000 years ago, and now its up to every individual to either accept it by faith, or reject it in doubt. Just a reminder, "They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garment." (Psalm 22:18), and a thousand years later, "They divided up his clothes by casting lots" (Matthew 27:35). That's either one heck of a coincidence or proof of divine inspiration, I choose the latter.
The evidence of God is all around you, its creation itself. Tell me the origin of a tree, what was the cause? Show me the evidence of how life sprang from non-life? Creationism is the only logical conclusion, God is the unseen uncaused cause of all that exist.
That's just god of the gaps stuff which makes you feel comfortable with because you are so desperate to believe that if you do believe this stuff you will live forever. In fact if you start searching for the truth about the two questions you raised in your last paragraph, you will find that the answers are known.
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Post by Dan on May 23, 2020 21:18:51 GMT -5
I think people turn from God because they simply lose faith. I did once, but I came back. Some people never do though. And as Matt wrote, you can't really turn your back on something you never accepted as being real in the first place. But those who believed once can return to the faith (Prodigals son). Once a person is convinced that no God exist though, its very difficult and highly unlikely that a hard hearted person can revert back. They simply can't trust anything unless they can literally see it. jmo So you are saying that anyone who does not believe that a God exists, is a hard hearted person. That's a pretty general assumption of people that you have never met. Your colours are showing.
In a spiritual context, yes... Not that a nonbeliever is cold hearted in other respects, but are hard hearted in the sense that they aren't receptive towards God.
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Post by Dan on May 24, 2020 1:32:58 GMT -5
I was paraphrasing you, not quoting you. You wrote, "The reason people turn their back on the Christian God is because they come to realize that he isn’t there." And I interpreted that as meaning, "You can't really turn your back on something you never accepted as being real in the first place." Not a huge difference, but point taken.
My other point didn't go into detail, but it was simply that nonbelievers seek observable physical evidence to prove the existence of God, and gravity can be observed. And I did mention Isaiah 53 and Psalms 22 as evidence that the bible is inspired. But when a person rejects a fulfilled prophecy as being mere happenstance, I consider that as turning a blind eye to something they can't explain. In any event, the evidence for the Christian God was here 2000 years ago, and now its up to every individual to either accept it by faith, or reject it in doubt. Just a reminder, "They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garment." (Psalm 22:18), and a thousand years later, "They divided up his clothes by casting lots" (Matthew 27:35). That's either one heck of a coincidence or proof of divine inspiration, I choose the latter.
The evidence of God is all around you, its creation itself. Tell me the origin of a tree, what was the cause? Show me the evidence of how life sprang from non-life? Creationism is the only logical conclusion, God is the unseen uncaused cause of all that exist.
That's just god of the gaps stuff which makes you feel comfortable with because you are so desperate to believe that if you do believe this stuff you will live forever. In fact if you start searching for the truth about the two questions you raised in your last paragraph, you will find that the answers are known.
There's no gap between the 22nd Psalm & Matthew 27, except the elapse of time between the prophecy and its fulfillment. The answer to the origin of life is not known. There are no scientific facts that prove life has ever sprung from dead matter, all the evidence shows that only life can produce life. Jesus said, "I am the life", so there's your cause.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 24, 2020 1:50:33 GMT -5
That's just god of the gaps stuff which makes you feel comfortable with because you are so desperate to believe that if you do believe this stuff you will live forever. In fact if you start searching for the truth about the two questions you raised in your last paragraph, you will find that the answers are known.
There's no gap between the 22nd Psalm & Matthew 27, except the elapse of time between the prophecy and its fulfillment. The answer to the origin of life is not known. There are no scientific facts that prove life has ever sprung from dead matter, all the evidence shows that only life can produce life. Jesus said, "I am the life", so there's your cause.
Keep reading some science books and you will find the answer. Keep reading the bible if you prefer fantasies.
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magpies39plus
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WHY? Does quoting relevant scripture send the 2x2;s into sometimes a nasty response??
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Post by magpies39plus on May 24, 2020 7:04:01 GMT -5
G'day Curly, Yes there are those who try to avoid Jesus commands in looking after the poor and needy by walking around it with their own excuses!! They even ignore relevent scripture by using inrelavent verses to make them feel good. Instead of ringing up local or international christian organisations and just asking "What is there that I can do?". No of course they think and taught they are false "religions",when christianity is"one" religion splintered by man into many theological teachings,butthere some who would not want to heal the Body of "Christ"church,to stop their followers from what might rock the boat on their limited exclusive illusive secret sects..Magpie
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