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Post by speak on May 4, 2020 22:41:29 GMT -5
After listening to some pretty harsh comments & arguing over reopening or completely shutting down for another two weeks, someone took the time to look at this, deeply, and from all angles and wrote this.
Perspective:
WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT ...
I heard that we are all in the same boat, but it's not like that. We are in the same storm, but not in the same boat. Your ship could be shipwrecked and mine might not be. Or vice versa.
For some, quarantine is optimal. A moment of reflection, of re-connection, easy in flip flops, with a cocktail or coffee. For others, this is a desperate financial & family crisis.
For some that live alone they're facing endless loneliness. While for others it is peace, rest & time with their mother, father, sons & daughters.
With the weekly increase in unemployment some are bringing in more money to their households than they were working. Others are working more hours for less money due to pay cuts or loss in sales.
Some families of 4 just received $3400 from the stimulus while other families of 4 saw $0.
Some were concerned about getting a certain candy for Easter while others were concerned if there would be enough bread, milk and eggs for the weekend.
Some want to go back to work because they don't qualify for unemployment and are running out of money. Others want to kill those who break the quarantine.
Some are home spending 2-3 hours/day helping their child with online schooling while others are spending 2-3 hours/day to educate their children on top of a 10-12 hour workday.
Some have experienced the near death of the virus, some have already lost someone from it and some are not sure if their loved ones are going to make it. Others don't believe this is a big deal.
Some have faith in God and expect miracles during this 2020. Others say the worst is yet to come.
So, friends, we are not in the same boat. We are going through a time when our perceptions and needs are completely different.
Each of us will emerge, in our own way, from this storm. It is very important to see beyond what is seen at first glance. NOT JUST LOOKING, BUT ACTUALLY SEEING!
We are all on different ships during this storm, experiencing a very different journey.
Realize this and be kind!! Unknown author
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Post by Dan on May 4, 2020 23:02:58 GMT -5
Definitely, we all aren't in this together in the sense that for some its been playtime and a 2 month paid vacation, for others its been insecurity and a financial disaster, and for a few its been sickness & death.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 4, 2020 23:06:20 GMT -5
Definitely, we all aren't in this together in the sense that for some, its been playtime and a 2 month paid vacation, for others its been insecurity and a financial disaster, and for a few its been sickness & death. Unless you are taking about big companies that are horning in on the money that was supposed to be used for small companies such as your own, -then that is BS.
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Post by Dan on May 4, 2020 23:26:24 GMT -5
Definitely, we all aren't in this together in the sense that for some, its been playtime and a 2 month paid vacation, for others its been insecurity and a financial disaster, and for a few its been sickness & death. Unless you are taking about big companies that are horning in on the money that was supposed to be used for small companies such as your own, -then that is BS. No, I was referring to that gal who worked for me, who is now sitting on a +$45K windfall, just returned from visiting her daughter in Indiana for 10 days, and is currently headed to Florida for a few weeks.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 4, 2020 23:59:23 GMT -5
Unless you are taking about big companies that are horning in on the money that was supposed to be used for small companies such as your own, -then that is BS. No, I was referring to that gal who worked for me, who is now sitting on a +$45K windfall, just returned from visiting her daughter in Indiana for 10 days, and is currently headed to Florida for a few weeks.
You mean the woman that you had led us to believe left your company of her on volition just because she wanted to leave but you have finally admitted you had to lay off ?
Or are you talking about someone else?
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Post by BobWilliston on May 5, 2020 0:33:32 GMT -5
Unless you are taking about big companies that are horning in on the money that was supposed to be used for small companies such as your own, -then that is BS. No, I was referring to that gal who worked for me, who is now sitting on a +$45K windfall, just returned from visiting her daughter in Indiana for 10 days, and is currently headed to Florida for a few weeks.
Sounds like she's improving her chances of getting the virus. Meanwhile she'll be using her windfall to do her share to boost the economy.
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Post by Dan on May 5, 2020 13:27:25 GMT -5
No, I was referring to that gal who worked for me, who is now sitting on a +$45K windfall, just returned from visiting her daughter in Indiana for 10 days, and is currently headed to Florida for a few weeks.
You mean the woman that you had led us to believe left your company of her on volition just because she wanted to leave but you have finally admitted you had to lay off ?
Or are you talking about someone else?
She left work because Gov. Pritzker ordered all businesses closed, but I never closed. So the state laid her off, and I could not force her to violate a state order. Her reason for filing for unemployment benefits was "Laid-off due to COVID-19". So she has left and refuses to work even though I've stayed open and need her. By her own volition, she chose to ignore her boss and obey the state.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 5, 2020 13:34:06 GMT -5
You mean the woman that you had led us to believe left your company of her on volition just because she wanted to leave but you have finally admitted you had to lay off ?
Or are you talking about someone else? She left work because Gov. Pritzker ordered all businesses closed, but I never closed. So the state laid her off, and I could not force her to violate a state order. Her reason for filing for unemployment benefits was "Laid-off due to COVID-19". So she has left and refuses to work even though I've stayed open and need her. By her own volition, she chose to ignore her boss and obey the state.
Keeps you humble, doesn't it?
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Post by Annan on May 5, 2020 13:34:36 GMT -5
You mean the woman that you had led us to believe left your company of her on volition just because she wanted to leave but you have finally admitted you had to lay off ?
Or are you talking about someone else? She left work because Gov. Pritzker ordered all businesses closed, but I never closed. So the state laid her off, and I could not force her to violate a state order. Her reason for filing for unemployment benefits was "Laid-off due to COVID-19". So she has left and refuses to work even though I've stayed open and need her. By her own volition, she chose to ignore her boss and obey the state.
So because you chose to disobey a state mandate, you are upset that she chose not disobey the mandate also? She didn't ignore you. She chose to look out for herself as did you. Is there no one else you can hire?
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Post by Dan on May 5, 2020 14:21:16 GMT -5
She left work because Gov. Pritzker ordered all businesses closed, but I never closed. So the state laid her off, and I could not force her to violate a state order. Her reason for filing for unemployment benefits was "Laid-off due to COVID-19". So she has left and refuses to work even though I've stayed open and need her. By her own volition, she chose to ignore her boss and obey the state.
Keeps you humble, doesn't it?
Keeps me extremely busy, I'm doing all her work and mine too. In fact, I've got to get back up to the shop now, just taking a quick lunch break. No rest for the weary, I'm too tired to be humble She left work because Gov. Pritzker ordered all businesses closed, but I never closed. So the state laid her off, and I could not force her to violate a state order. Her reason for filing for unemployment benefits was "Laid-off due to COVID-19". So she has left and refuses to work even though I've stayed open and need her. By her own volition, she chose to ignore her boss and obey the state.
So because you chose to disobey a state mandate, you are upset that she chose not disobey the mandate also? She didn't ignore you. She chose to look out for herself as did you. Is there no one else you can hire?
I've got help ad's out now, lots of applicants, but no one with experience has applied yet. I'm upset because she's traveling the country partying, her decision not to work was not out of fear of the virus, but for financial gain. She told me point blank that she won't risk working because she may lose benefits if caught. She could care-less about the virus, what the governor ordered, or her job, its all about the money. I can't blame her, but I don't think she's looking too far into the future when the state checks stop rolling in?
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Post by BobWilliston on May 5, 2020 15:25:37 GMT -5
Keeps you humble, doesn't it? Keeps me extremely busy, I'm doing all her work and mine too. In fact, I've got to get back up to the shop now, just taking a quick lunch break. No rest for the weary, I'm too tired to be humble So because you chose to disobey a state mandate, you are upset that she chose not disobey the mandate also? She didn't ignore you. She chose to look out for herself as did you. Is there no one else you can hire? I've got help ad's out now, lots of applicants, but no one with experience has applied yet. I'm upset because she's traveling the country partying, her decision not to work was not out of fear of the virus, but for financial gain. She told me point blank that she won't risk working because she may lose benefits if caught. She could care-less about the virus, what the governor ordered, or her job, its all about the money. I can't blame her, but I don't think she's looking too far into the future when the state checks stop rolling in?
Well, I guess you have to admit that her motivations aren't that different from your own.
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Post by Annan on May 5, 2020 16:56:59 GMT -5
Keeps you humble, doesn't it? Keeps me extremely busy, I'm doing all her work and mine too. In fact, I've got to get back up to the shop now, just taking a quick lunch break. No rest for the weary, I'm too tired to be humble So because you chose to disobey a state mandate, you are upset that she chose not disobey the mandate also? She didn't ignore you. She chose to look out for herself as did you. Is there no one else you can hire? I've got help ad's out now, lots of applicants, but no one with experience has applied yet. I'm upset because she's traveling the country partying, her decision not to work was not out of fear of the virus, but for financial gain. She told me point blank that she won't risk working because she may lose benefits if caught. She could care-less about the virus, what the governor ordered, or her job, its all about the money. I can't blame her, but I don't think she's looking too far into the future when the state checks stop rolling in?
So what I get from all this is that you are upset with her because she is inconveniencing you?
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Post by Dan on May 5, 2020 19:10:16 GMT -5
True, but I haven't shunned responsibilities for a free handout.
Its a business that's provided her with a steady paycheck since 07/2005, so her "I don't care" attitude is personally off-putting too. Not showing up for work for a day or 2 is an inconvenience, disappearing for 3 months is more disappointing. But its her job and she obviously doesn't want or need it, but its generally professional to give an employer a little notice.
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Post by snow on May 5, 2020 19:11:53 GMT -5
True, but I haven't shunned responsibilities for a free handout. Its a business that's provided her with a steady paycheck since 07/2005, so her "I don't care" attitude is personally off-putting too. Not showing up for work for a day or 2 is an inconvenience, disappearing for 3 months is more disappointing. But its her job and she obviously doesn't want or need it, but its generally professional to give an employer a little notice.
If you were eligible for a 'handout' would you be taking it?
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Post by BobWilliston on May 5, 2020 20:53:51 GMT -5
True, but I haven't shunned responsibilities for a free handout. She has no responsibility to work for you in a business that is by law closed. As a matter of fact, she could be a liability on you if some circumstances came about. I know -- it's had to feel disrespected. But if she just got run over by a bus you'd be in the same predicament, and you'd have no one to complain about -- except the bus driver I suppose.
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Post by Dan on May 6, 2020 2:36:43 GMT -5
To me, when someone shuts down your business and tells all your customers to stay away for 3 months, throwing a little cash at you isn't a handout. Its saying, "We're going to utterly destroy your livelihood and everything you've worked for over 40 years, and here's a few bucks to keep your mouth shut". And I don't need to consider whether I'd take it, because I'm not getting a dime. Judas took a handout, being eligible didn't make it right, especially when its a bribe to betray a person you supposedly knew, respected, and considered a friend.
She has no responsibility to work for you in a business that is by law closed. As a matter of fact, she could be a liability on you if some circumstances came about.
We are (were) friends, working together like family for years, so I take it more personally than that, its an emotional let down to learn that she doesn't care. Yes technically, by law she is authorized to be irresponsible, forsake our customers, her co-workers, and a job that's fed her family for years. She was an asset, she's now a liability because she disappeared when circumstances did come about. To me, its like seeing a little kid drowning in a pond, but there's a sign posted that says; "By law, swimming strictly prohibited". Since the pond is by law closed, is that a good excuse to let the kid drown?
I'm not complaining, it is what it is. I'm sure there are workers everywhere doing the same thing, but the other shoe will drop when Uncle Sam stops paying the bills, capitalism will have the last laugh
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Post by dmmichgood on May 6, 2020 4:11:29 GMT -5
To me, when someone shuts down your business and tells all your customers to stay away for 3 months, throwing a little cash at you isn't a handout. Its saying, "We're going to utterly destroy your livelihood and everything you've worked for over 40 years, and here's a few bucks to keep your mouth shut". And I don't need to consider whether I'd take it, because I'm not getting a dime. Judas took a handout, being eligible didn't make it right, especially when its a bribe to betray a person you supposedly knew, respected, and considered a friend.
She has no responsibility to work for you in a business that is by law closed. As a matter of fact, she could be a liability on you if some circumstances came about. We are (were) friends, working together like family for years, so I take it more personally than that, its an emotional let down to learn that she doesn't care. Yes technically, by law she is authorized to be irresponsible, forsake our customers, her co-workers, and a job that's fed her family for years. She was an asset, she's now a liability because she disappeared when circumstances did come about. To me, its like seeing a little kid drowning in a pond, but there's a sign posted that says; "By law, swimming strictly prohibited". Since the pond is by law closed, is that a good excuse to let the kid drown?
I'm not complaining, it is what it is. I'm sure there are workers everywhere doing the same thing, but the other shoe will drop when Uncle Sam stops paying the bills, capitalism will have the last laugh So, she was being compliant with an order by the state, -just as there are orders by the state when other catastrophic situations occur, -fires, tornadoes, floods etc.
Finding scapegoats to blame for a problem doesn't help much solving the problem. Comparing it with scenarios like "a little kid drowning in a pond" doesn't do much either.
Statements like; "throwing a little cash at you isn't a handout. Its saying, "We're going to utterly destroy your livelihood and everything you've worked for over 40 years, and here's a few bucks to keep your mouth shut," is inaccurate and a bit petulant isn't it?
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Post by Dan on May 6, 2020 5:43:46 GMT -5
To me, when someone shuts down your business and tells all your customers to stay away for 3 months, throwing a little cash at you isn't a handout. Its saying, "We're going to utterly destroy your livelihood and everything you've worked for over 40 years, and here's a few bucks to keep your mouth shut". And I don't need to consider whether I'd take it, because I'm not getting a dime. Judas took a handout, being eligible didn't make it right, especially when its a bribe to betray a person you supposedly knew, respected, and considered a friend.
We are (were) friends, working together like family for years, so I take it more personally than that, its an emotional let down to learn that she doesn't care. Yes technically, by law she is authorized to be irresponsible, forsake our customers, her co-workers, and a job that's fed her family for years. She was an asset, she's now a liability because she disappeared when circumstances did come about. To me, its like seeing a little kid drowning in a pond, but there's a sign posted that says; "By law, swimming strictly prohibited". Since the pond is by law closed, is that a good excuse to let the kid drown?
I'm not complaining, it is what it is. I'm sure there are workers everywhere doing the same thing, but the other shoe will drop when Uncle Sam stops paying the bills, capitalism will have the last laugh So, she was being compliant with an order by the state, -just as there are orders by the state when other catastrophic situations occur, -fires, tornadoes, floods etc.
Finding scapegoats to blame for a problem doesn't help much solving the problem. Comparing it with scenarios like "a little kid drowning in a pond" doesn't do much either.
Statements like; "throwing a little cash at you isn't a handout. Its saying, "We're going to utterly destroy your livelihood and everything you've worked for over 40 years, and here's a few bucks to keep your mouth shut," is inaccurate and a bit petulant isn't it?
Yes, she's being compliant, this weekend she'll be soaking up rays on a FL beach while the rest of us work 12-16 hour days to cover for her. I reckon the Nazi guards were being compliant with state orders when they marched Jews into the showers at Auschwitz too . Trust me, this woman could care-less about being compliant, she's simply being paid an exorbitant amount of $$ to be irresponsible. Granted, its her job and her choice.
This government shut-down is hurting a lot of businesses, many of which will go bankrupt and close down. That's not looking for a scapegoat, its a reality. Its a very real possibility for myself and it will tap my retirement fund to the tune of $5 to $600k if I close, so if losing a half million makes me a tad petulant, so be it. I'll admit that its all put me in a bad mood, but my ultimate rest is in Christ, that's my solace.
Anyhow, I'm tired of talking about it, I was just pointing out that not everyone is in the same boat financially, it hasn't been a picnic for everyone. Same as in the other thread "How is everyone coping with COVID-19", I wasn't complaining or looking for pity, but just explaining why I'm not coping as well as others. Don't really like talking about myself and don't mean to sound like a "poor me" type of person, but was just describing my situation and answering questions.
Maybe I'm just envious that your all enjoying months of playtime, steaks on the grill, and your hobbies, while being oblivious to the hardships that others are trying to tolerate? But for most folks, 'work' is not a choice, its a means of survival, so this close-down hasn't been fun. I guess its a dilemma you have to experience in order to relate to the fact that some people are struggling? But I'll try to man-up and stop being a baby . Perhaps its a test of faith, but I'm confident that God is with me and I'll win when the dust settles. Or maybe its all God's way of telling me that its time to move on? Time will soon tell.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 6, 2020 13:10:58 GMT -5
Definitely, we all aren't in this together in the sense that for some its been playtime and a 2 month paid vacation, for others its been insecurity and a financial disaster, and for a few its been sickness & death. I see it that the state is paying her to protect her from you.
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Post by snow on May 6, 2020 13:25:01 GMT -5
Dan I am sorry that this is so hard for you. I don't share your viewpoints, but I can accept that this is how you see things at the moment and it's very hard for you.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 6, 2020 14:57:52 GMT -5
So, she was being compliant with an order by the state, -just as there are orders by the state when other catastrophic situations occur, -fires, tornadoes, floods etc.
Finding scapegoats to blame for a problem doesn't help much solving the problem. Comparing it with scenarios like "a little kid drowning in a pond" doesn't do much either.
Statements like; "throwing a little cash at you isn't a handout. Its saying, "We're going to utterly destroy your livelihood and everything you've worked for over 40 years, and here's a few bucks to keep your mouth shut," is inaccurate and a bit petulant isn't it? Yes, she's being compliant, this weekend she'll be soaking up rays on a FL beach while the rest of us work 12-16 hour days to cover for her. I reckon the Nazi guards were being compliant with state orders when they marched Jews into the showers at Auschwitz too . Trust me, this woman could care-less about being compliant, she's simply being paid an exorbitant amount of $$ to be irresponsible. Granted, its her job and her choice.
It is these kinds of comment of yours about your employee that causes me to lose any sympathy I might have had for your situation!
"I reckon the Nazi guards were being compliant with state orders when they marched Jews into the showers at Auschwitz too ."
"Trust me, this woman could care-less about being compliant, she's simply being paid an exorbitant amount of $$ to be irresponsible."
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Post by BobWilliston on May 6, 2020 17:07:37 GMT -5
So, she was being compliant with an order by the state, -just as there are orders by the state when other catastrophic situations occur, -fires, tornadoes, floods etc.
Finding scapegoats to blame for a problem doesn't help much solving the problem. Comparing it with scenarios like "a little kid drowning in a pond" doesn't do much either.
Statements like; "throwing a little cash at you isn't a handout. Its saying, "We're going to utterly destroy your livelihood and everything you've worked for over 40 years, and here's a few bucks to keep your mouth shut," is inaccurate and a bit petulant isn't it? Yes, she's being compliant, this weekend she'll be soaking up rays on a FL beach while the rest of us work 12-16 hour days to cover for her. I reckon the Nazi guards were being compliant with state orders when they marched Jews into the showers at Auschwitz too . Trust me, this woman could care-less about being compliant, she's simply being paid an exorbitant amount of $$ to be irresponsible. Granted, its her job and her choice. This government shut-down is hurting a lot of businesses, many of which will go bankrupt and close down. That's not looking for a scapegoat, its a reality. Its a very real possibility for myself and it will tap my retirement fund to the tune of $5 to $600k if I close, so if losing a half million makes me a tad petulant, so be it. I'll admit that its all put me in a bad mood, but my ultimate rest is in Christ, that's my solace.
Anyhow, I'm tired of talking about it, I was just pointing out that not everyone is in the same boat financially, it hasn't been a picnic for everyone. Same as in the other thread "How is everyone coping with COVID-19", I wasn't complaining or looking for pity, but just explaining why I'm not coping as well as others. Don't really like talking about myself and don't mean to sound like a "poor me" type of person, but was just describing my situation and answering questions.
Maybe I'm just envious that your all enjoying months of playtime, steaks on the grill, and your hobbies, while being oblivious to the hardships that others are trying to tolerate? But for most folks, 'work' is not a choice, its a means of survival, so this close-down hasn't been fun. I guess its a dilemma you have to experience in order to relate to the fact that some people are struggling? But I'll try to man-up and stop being a baby . Perhaps its a test of faith, but I'm confident that God is with me and I'll win when the dust settles. Or maybe its all God's way of telling me that its time to move on? Time will soon tell. Maybe she used to be envious of you.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 6, 2020 17:09:05 GMT -5
Definitely, we all aren't in this together in the sense that for some its been playtime and a 2 month paid vacation, for others its been insecurity and a financial disaster, and for a few its been sickness & death. I see it that the state is paying her to protect her from you. That was one of the explicitly stated purposes of the state's assistance to employees.
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Post by Dan on May 7, 2020 1:30:48 GMT -5
Definitely, we all aren't in this together in the sense that for some its been playtime and a 2 month paid vacation, for others its been insecurity and a financial disaster, and for a few its been sickness & death. I see it that the state is paying her to protect her from you.
Well, it worked.......... I've paid her nearly $482,000 since giving her a job, plus $4000 in bonuses, now she's a ward of the state . She doesn't need protection from me, I'm a sweetheart.. And she's more susceptible to this virus while she's touring the country than she ever was working for me.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 7, 2020 1:36:08 GMT -5
I see it that the state is paying her to protect her from you.
Well, it worked.......... I've paid her nearly $482,000 since giving her a job, plus $4000 in bonuses, now she's a ward of the state . She doesn't need protection from me, I'm a sweetheart.. And she's more susceptible to this virus while she's touring the country than she ever was working for me.
I am pleased that you have found your true place in life. Congratulations.
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Post by Dan on May 7, 2020 1:40:39 GMT -5
Not looking for sympathy, and as I mentioned, she told me point blank that she wasn't concerned about the virus, but won't work because of all the money she's getting not to work.
So my comment accurately depicts her mind-set, I wasn't denigrating her, just encapsulating what she relayed to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 17:50:44 GMT -5
After listening to some pretty harsh comments & arguing over reopening or completely shutting down for another two weeks, someone took the time to look at this, deeply, and from all angles and wrote this. Perspective: WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT ... I heard that we are all in the same boat, but it's not like that. We are in the same storm, but not in the same boat. Your ship could be shipwrecked and mine might not be. Or vice versa. For some, quarantine is optimal. A moment of reflection, of re-connection, easy in flip flops, with a cocktail or coffee. For others, this is a desperate financial & family crisis. For some that live alone they're facing endless loneliness. While for others it is peace, rest & time with their mother, father, sons & daughters. With the weekly increase in unemployment some are bringing in more money to their households than they were working. Others are working more hours for less money due to pay cuts or loss in sales. Some families of 4 just received $3400 from the stimulus while other families of 4 saw $0. Some were concerned about getting a certain candy for Easter while others were concerned if there would be enough bread, milk and eggs for the weekend. Some want to go back to work because they don't qualify for unemployment and are running out of money. Others want to kill those who break the quarantine. Some are home spending 2-3 hours/day helping their child with online schooling while others are spending 2-3 hours/day to educate their children on top of a 10-12 hour workday. Some have experienced the near death of the virus, some have already lost someone from it and some are not sure if their loved ones are going to make it. Others don't believe this is a big deal. Some have faith in God and expect miracles during this 2020. Others say the worst is yet to come. So, friends, we are not in the same boat. We are going through a time when our perceptions and needs are completely different. Each of us will emerge, in our own way, from this storm. It is very important to see beyond what is seen at first glance. NOT JUST LOOKING, BUT ACTUALLY SEEING! We are all on different ships during this storm, experiencing a very different journey. Realize this and be kind!! Unknown author Hi Speak, Thanks I enjoyed the post. I do tend to think of us all being in the same boat - from the point of view of all being at risk from the virus, or likely affected some way by the altered normal. It was a thought provoking list of variations of the altered normal.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 18:21:48 GMT -5
Hi Dan, Sorry to hear about the situation with your employee. Hope your sharing here helped. Sounds like you'll do okay. Yes it can hurt if someone you counted on, enjoyed, and had faith in, quits with a seemingly short sighted reason. I don't know if it'll be any help, but I had a number of employees over the years, and I always found it useful to keep in mind that they or I could be dead tomorrow, and this old world would go on anyway, and get by without me, or them. I tried to respect that I had the right to fire them on the spot and kick them off the premises, and they had the right, at any time, to say screw me, and leave. Imo there is an opportunity for someone else. You indicate that this is not so easy, and that's no doubt true. But that's the way it is. One of the surprises of my lifetime experience, is that training someone never (and I actually do mean Never) turned out to be a loss. It seems they almost always spoke well of me because of it. In fact (and businesses differ of course) the bottom line was I over all got more business as a result, because I was remembered, and sometimes recommended, and often consulted in future years. Anyway... Sometimes it helps in the moment to sing the song "Got along without you before I met you, gonna get along without you now." And Bon voyage, to whomever.
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