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Post by iam on Apr 30, 2020 10:20:28 GMT -5
I felt he was badly treated by Irvine. He did a lot of the spade work and then booted. What goes around comes around perhaps? Irvine got booted too.
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Post by nathan on Apr 30, 2020 10:26:01 GMT -5
Jesus ONLY the few that find and believe it, Wally... We are like the Salmon going against the stream, to find our way home. Keep up the good work and the faith. Oh please, Don't all Christian's think that, You Just happen to be among the few, fancy that. What if I think Im in the few but your not? does that suit you? or would that be like, judging!. Get them God, but not us!. We've found the narrow way God so get them, we are the narrow way so get them God but not us. Really sounds the quite the opposite of the way of life to me. And the way of life isn't a road of good 2x2 works/rituals that leads to salvation after death if that's what your hoping for and think you have exclusive rights to. ** We/2×2 are aware of you 2x2 non-exclusive among us for a long time started by John Long ex-2×2 worker back in 1907. He was excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship. I would be very careful if I were you, Chuck. It seems his followers are still alive among us today.
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Post by iam on Apr 30, 2020 10:27:31 GMT -5
Wally I'll take the prize now thanks. I am not a gambler, especially with my life. short term satisfaction will never replace the long term solution. what do you mean your not a gambler? your doing that everyday distancing yourself from Christ and the bible.... Wally, who is anyone to say if someone else is distancing themselves from Christ and the bible? God alone knows our hearts, backgrounds and lives. Jesus did not say things like that. What that does is push people away from our idea of Jesus. And rightly so.
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Post by iam on Apr 30, 2020 10:39:49 GMT -5
Oh, I've listened. I've listened to yours too. I prefer listening to him, because he expresses his view, he doesn't tell you that you are wrong and he is right. That's what the 2x2s and their supporters do. I've lived it. I know. And it doesn't impress me. you've been here 12 years longer than me and yet say "he doesn't tell you that you are wrong and he is right" i find that hard to believe or take seriously...you should have heard him go off when i said i was distancing myself from my sister because she married a divorced man or try using the term "worldly church" sometime around him....don't get me wrong hes nice enough of a guy but hes just as human as anyone else here... Did Jesus distance himself from anyone because of their choices? How can you help your sister like that? Maybe she wants to distance herself from you and that’s a different story but it’s dangerous for us to distance ourselves from anyone that we could be a help to. We have been subjected to wrong doctrines as such and need to be careful and focus on what Jesus taught and lived more than the the thinking of the friends and workers. Sheep following sheep have led to a lot of disasters. Same with sheep following under-shepherds blindly.
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Post by chuck on Apr 30, 2020 10:47:46 GMT -5
Oh please, Don't all Christian's think that, You Just happen to be among the few, fancy that. What if I think Im in the few but your not? does that suit you? or would that be like, judging!. Get them God, but not us!. We've found the narrow way God so get them, we are the narrow way so get them God but not us. Really sounds the quite the opposite of the way of life to me. And the way of life isn't a road of good 2x2 works/rituals that leads to salvation after death if that's what your hoping for and think you have exclusive rights to. ** We/2×2 are aware of you 2x2 non-exclusive among us for a long time started by John Long ex-2×2 worker back in 1907. He was excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship. I would be very careful if I were you, Chuck. It seems his followers are still alive among us today. "We" 2x2 are our own god, that's how "We" can be exclusive and manipulate our god to get anyone "not like us" and justify it unashamedly and guilt free. Now we don't see examples of that in the bible now do we..... 🙄. And it was put in the bible just so we could make the exact same mistakes again hey! 🤦♂️. But but but the bible say's so. Sure it does, but it also say's, grace, compassion, slow to anger, abounding in love, all of which scream a manipulative exclusive performance ritual loving 2x2 god 🤦♂️. Stop ruining the bible for what it is!.
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Post by nathan on Apr 30, 2020 10:57:51 GMT -5
I felt he was badly treated by Irvine. He did a lot of the spade work and then booted. What goes around comes around perhaps? Irvine got booted too. ** If any 2x2 worker today teaches non-exclusive doctrine will be EXCOMMUNICATE today just like they did to John Long, non-exclusive ex-2×2 worker from the ministry and fellowship back in 1907. Willilam Irvine was in similar boat began teaching doctrines did not come true the end of the world in 1917. He was telling the friends to sell their homes and getting involved in their daily businesses, having sexual relationship with married and non married women in the fellowship. The senior workers tried to point out his false doctrines, and ungodly behaviors and he was willing to REPENT of his errors and sins. If they had NOT confronted WI of his wrong behavior it would a good way to send a loud message to all workers that kind of bahaviors were NOT acceptable.
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Post by iam on Apr 30, 2020 10:58:57 GMT -5
99% of the time i believe.... Jesus ONLY the few that find and believe it, Wally... We are like the Salmon going against the stream, to find our way home. Keep up the good work and the faith.Nathan, when Jesus said they be blind leaders of the blind he was speaking to his own people about his own people. Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and forever. When he came to earth he came to his own and his own received him not. Same Jesus today. I see if often in our faith. He was friends of publicans and harlots and sinners because they didn’t feel like they were “saved”. Jesus didn’t through his weight around and feel the need to control others. He didn’t even do that to Judas. There are just as many enemies to Jesus in the truth today as there were in Jesus’s day. There is more human nature in the truth than there is Christ. I am often so disappointed at how much I am influenced by the thinking of people in my church that is not Jesus. But Jesus was loyal in spite of it and that is the hardest thing for me to do. It’s the salmon going against the stream.
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Post by iam on Apr 30, 2020 11:03:54 GMT -5
What goes around comes around perhaps? Irvine got booted too. ** If any 2x2 worker today teaches non-exclusive doctrine will be EXCOMMUNICATE today just like they did to John Long, non-exclusive ex-2×2 worker from the ministry and fellowship back in 1907. Willilam Irvine was in similar boat began teaching doctrines did not come true the end of the world in 1917. He was telling the friends to sell their homes and getting involved in their daily businesses, having sexual relationship with married and non married women in the fellowship. The senior workers tried to point out his false doctrines, and ungodly behaviors and he was willing to REPENT of his errors and sins. If they had NOT confronted WI of his wrong behavior it would a good way to send a loud message to all workers that kind of bahaviors were NOT acceptable. Jesus didn’t do that. That is not Jesus. That is man. What’s the worse that could have happened? Some friends would have sold everything and had to start over again? Well that would be lesson, wouldn’t it? Would some have gone on to follow Irvine and left the rest? So!? Jesus didn’t concern himself about such matters. He brake not the bruised reed nor quenched the smoking flax.
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Post by nathan on Apr 30, 2020 11:08:54 GMT -5
** We/2×2 are aware of you 2x2 non-exclusive among us for a long time started by John Long ex-2×2 worker back in 1907. He was excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship. I would be very careful if I were you, Chuck. It seems his followers are still alive among us today. "We" 2x2 are our own god, that's how "We" can be exclusive and manipulate our god to get anyone "not like us" and justify it unashamedly and guilt free. Now we don't see examples of that in the bible now do we..... 🙄. And it was put in the bible just so we could make the exact same mistakes again hey! 🤦♂️. But but but the bible say's so. Sure it does, but it also say's, grace, compassion, slow to anger, abounding in love, all of which scream a manipulative exclusive performance ritual loving 2x2 god 🤦♂️. Stop ruining the bible for what it is!. ** We read the example in the gospels and according to Jesus teachings, the apostles epistles, the early days workers, and most of the 2x2 workers and the friends today. I dhoewd you the scriptures the history for months but because you are non-exclusive 2x2 so you don't believe it.
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Post by chuck on Apr 30, 2020 11:37:39 GMT -5
"We" 2x2 are our own god, that's how "We" can be exclusive and manipulate our god to get anyone "not like us" and justify it unashamedly and guilt free. Now we don't see examples of that in the bible now do we..... 🙄. And it was put in the bible just so we could make the exact same mistakes again hey! 🤦♂️. But but but the bible say's so. Sure it does, but it also say's, grace, compassion, slow to anger, abounding in love, all of which scream a manipulative exclusive performance ritual loving 2x2 god 🤦♂️. Stop ruining the bible for what it is!. ** We read the example in the gospels and according to Jesus teachings, the apostles epistles, the early days workers, and most of the 2x2 workers and the friends today. I dhoewd you the scriptures the history for months but because you are non-exclusive 2x2 so you don't believe it. Whoop de doo!. Your 100 years of tradition means what exactly?, that your right?. And stop trying to claim direct linkage to the apostles. Its not true. And you do totally the opposite to the examples in the gospels. You have shown me scriptures that justify the judgment of those not like you and a exclusive mindset. Dung!. I need to go to sleep so I'll finish on this note. Many Christians, 2x2's included, use the bible for personal gain. That's selfish and not what it's for. Exclusivity fits into the selfish category!. Exclusivity is the opposite of the Character of Christ.
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Post by nathan on Apr 30, 2020 12:07:00 GMT -5
Jesus ONLY the few that find and believe it, Wally... We are like the Salmon going against the stream, to find our way home. Keep up the good work and the faith. Nathan, when Jesus said they be blind leaders of the blind he was speaking to his own people about his own people. Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and forever. When he came to earth he came to his own and his own received him not. Same Jesus today. I see if often in our faith. He was friends of publicans and harlots and sinners because they didn’t feel like they were “saved”. Jesus didn’t through his weight around and feel the need to control others. He didn’t even do that to Judas. There are just as many enemies to Jesus in the truth today as there were in Jesus’s day. There is more human nature in the truth than there is Christ. I am often so disappointed at how much I am influenced by the thinking of people in my church that is not Jesus. But Jesus was loyal in spite of it and that is the hardest thing for me to do. It’s the salmon going against the stream. ** Jesus and the apostles warned us about this within the ministry and their Truth and Way= Jesus fellowship which they established through the centuries. There would be Tares and Wheat, sheep and goats, 5 foolish and 5 wise virgins, good servants and bad/evil servants within the ministry and fellowship of yesterday and today. Jesus said to the servants NOT to uproot the bad and the ugly but give the Holy Spirit time and opportunity to conform them into the image of Christ through life and difficult experiences they must go through. I have been through the process myself and all believers must go through the similar process experiences also.
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Post by nathan on Apr 30, 2020 12:17:36 GMT -5
** We read the example in the gospels and according to Jesus teachings, the apostles epistles, the early days workers, and most of the 2x2 workers and the friends today. I dhoewd you the scriptures the history for months but because you are non-exclusive 2x2 so you don't believe it. Whoop de doo!. Your 100 years of tradition means what exactly?, that your right?. And stop trying to claim direct linkage to the apostles. Its not true. And you do totally the opposite to the examples in the gospels. You have shown me scriptures that justify the judgment of those not like you and a exclusive mindset. Dung!. I need to go to sleep so I'll finish on this note. Many Christians, 2x2's included, use the bible for personal gain. That's selfish and not what it's for. Exclusivity fits into the selfish category!. Exclusivity is the opposite of the Character of Christ. ** You see when everyone enters the ONE door and ONLY Way/Road= Jesus and his teachings then there is NO CONFUSION! or chaos. Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth and Life no man comes unto the Father but through me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 12:35:44 GMT -5
you've been here 12 years longer than me and yet say "he doesn't tell you that you are wrong and he is right" i find that hard to believe or take seriously...you should have heard him go off when i said i was distancing myself from my sister because she married a divorced man or try using the term "worldly church" sometime around him....don't get me wrong hes nice enough of a guy but hes just as human as anyone else here... Did Jesus distance himself from anyone because of their choices? How can you help your sister like that? Maybe she wants to distance herself from you and that’s a different story but it’s dangerous for us to distance ourselves from anyone that we could be a help to. We have been subjected to wrong doctrines as such and need to be careful and focus on what Jesus taught and lived more than the the thinking of the friends and workers. Sheep following sheep have led to a lot of disasters. Same with sheep following under-shepherds blindly. there are actually a couple of verses or so that suggest distancing from those that are doing wrong...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 30, 2020 13:02:10 GMT -5
What goes around comes around perhaps? Irvine got booted too. ** If any 2x2 worker today teaches non-exclusive doctrine will be EXCOMMUNICATE today just like they did to John Long, non-exclusive ex-2×2 worker from the ministry and fellowship back in 1907. Willilam Irvine was in similar boat began teaching doctrines did not come true the end of the world in 1917. He was telling the friends to sell their homes and getting involved in their daily businesses, having sexual relationship with married and non married women in the fellowship. The senior workers tried to point out his false doctrines, and ungodly behaviors and he was willing to REPENT of his errors and sins. If they had NOT confronted WI of his wrong behavior it would a good way to send a loud message to all workers that kind of bahaviors were NOT acceptable. Nothing has changed then. Workers are still having improper relationships and workers and friends are still saying the end is nigh, the end is nigh. Perhaps you all need to excommunicate yourselves.
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Post by ForeverFree on Apr 30, 2020 14:28:03 GMT -5
You sound like you are professing, wally. 99% of the time i believe.... I'm curious as to what the workers, the elders and the others in your Sunday morning meeting feel about you being on here. What was their reaction when you talked to them about it, and things that you read and discuss on here? Or is that the secretive 1% of the time that you DON'T believe?
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Post by iam on Apr 30, 2020 14:59:30 GMT -5
Did Jesus distance himself from anyone because of their choices? How can you help your sister like that? Maybe she wants to distance herself from you and that’s a different story but it’s dangerous for us to distance ourselves from anyone that we could be a help to. We have been subjected to wrong doctrines as such and need to be careful and focus on what Jesus taught and lived more than the the thinking of the friends and workers. Sheep following sheep have led to a lot of disasters. Same with sheep following under-shepherds blindly. there are actually a couple of verses or so that suggest distancing from those that are doing wrong... That is true. Yet self righteousness is the greater sin. Lots of examples and teaching in Jesus about that. One of our friends complained to an older worker about what some of the other friends were doing, and he said “your spirit is worse than what they’re doing”. Jesus didn’t enforce the law. He upheld it but he didn’t enforce it or taunt people with it. I know those verses you are thinking about, Wally. That would mean we should have nothing to do with anyone else and especially they should have nothing to do with US. So when Jesus was surrounded by the very same conditions in people, what did he do? He didn’t turn his back on them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 16:08:32 GMT -5
Oh please, Don't all Christian's think that, You Just happen to be among the few, fancy that. What if I think Im in the few but your not? does that suit you? or would that be like, judging!. Get them God, but not us!. We've found the narrow way God so get them, we are the narrow way so get them God but not us. Really sounds the quite the opposite of the way of life to me. And the way of life isn't a road of good 2x2 works/rituals that leads to salvation after death if that's what your hoping for and think you have exclusive rights to. ** We/2×2 are aware of you 2x2 non-exclusive among us for a long time started by John Long ex-2×2 worker back in 1907. He was excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship. I would be very careful if I were you, Chuck. It seems his followers are still alive among us today. What a joke. And you’ve never considered, it could be you that’s booted for the stuff you write!!!??
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Post by nathan on Apr 30, 2020 16:27:41 GMT -5
Did Jesus distance himself from anyone because of their choices? How can you help your sister like that? Maybe she wants to distance herself from you and that’s a different story but it’s dangerous for us to distance ourselves from anyone that we could be a help to. We have been subjected to wrong doctrines as such and need to be careful and focus on what Jesus taught and lived more than the the thinking of the friends and workers. Sheep following sheep have led to a lot of disasters. Same with sheep following under-shepherds blindly. there are actually a couple of verses or so that suggest distancing from those that are doing wrong... *** We need to keep a distance from them but at the same time to let them know we care and want keep the door open to welcome them back after they have repented. Paul wrote about a brother in Christ had a sexual relationship with his step mother. Paul wrote to the Christians in that area to EXCOMMUNICATE from the fellowship to save his soul. The Holy Spirit convicted of his sins and he repented so, Paul asked the church to welcome him back to the fellowship.
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Post by xna on Apr 30, 2020 16:38:30 GMT -5
Paul wrote about a brother in Christ had a sexual relationship with his step mother. Paul wrote to the Christians in that area to EXCOMMUNICATE from the fellowship to save his soul. The Holy Spirit convicted of his sins and he repented so, Paul asked the church to welcome him back to the fellowship. What chapter & verse is this? Why makes Paul's writing the authority more than other?
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Post by nathan on Apr 30, 2020 16:59:03 GMT -5
** We/2×2 are aware of you 2x2 non-exclusive among us for a long time started by John Long ex-2×2 worker back in 1907. He was excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship. I would be very careful if I were you, Chuck. It seems his followers are still alive among us today. What a joke. And you’ve never considered, it could be you that’s booted for the stuff you write!!!?? ** The stuff that I posted are too advance for most people to believe and comprehend it for now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 17:06:49 GMT -5
What a joke. And you’ve never considered, it could be you that’s booted for the stuff you write!!!?? ** The stuff that I posted are too advance for most people to believe and comprehend it for now. Nothing advanced to understand slander and running the workers down in your church and criticism of your church preachers/ doctrine. Nothng advanced to comprehend the futility of ‘hollow’ talk.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 17:09:08 GMT -5
99% of the time i believe.... I'm curious as to what the workers, the elders and the others in your Sunday morning meeting feel about you being on here. What was their reaction when you talked to them about it, and things that you read and discuss on here? Or is that the secretive 1% of the time that you DON'T believe? the two workers i've mentioned it to said go with your heart, when i prayed about it God said yes(way before i talk to the workers) as to elders when i've mentioned it they showed no interest in exploring that further... thats not what i meant i should have said 99% of the time i am professing, i believe....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 17:15:08 GMT -5
Paul wrote about a brother in Christ had a sexual relationship with his step mother. Paul wrote to the Christians in that area to EXCOMMUNICATE from the fellowship to save his soul. The Holy Spirit convicted of his sins and he repented so, Paul asked the church to welcome him back to the fellowship. What chapter & verse is this? Why makes Paul's writing the authority more than other? 1Co_5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 30, 2020 17:32:05 GMT -5
What a joke. And you’ve never considered, it could be you that’s booted for the stuff you write!!!?? ** The stuff that I posted are too advance for most people to believe and comprehend it for now. Strewth - I have heard it all now! Can you imagine saying that in a meeting?
With regard to some other comments, as I said earlier, you cannot build a bridge to someone when you create a chasm.
As to a divorced person repenting of their sin....come on. Someone that has found love the second time around after a bad experience the first time, is in love. What is there to repent of? Or was William Lewis completely wrong in his handling of such matters, and others were right?
I have seen families torn apart, and with very negative results, when the victim who was left alone with children when the spouse ran off, was not permitted to find love and remarry. Major psych issues resulted in the children and all parties. I am sure that is not what Jesus meant, but it is how some people who wish to control others interpret it.
It is also very judgemental
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 17:32:45 GMT -5
Knock, knock! Who's there? Fornication. Fornication who? Fornication like this you should wear a black tie.
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Post by iam on Apr 30, 2020 17:51:46 GMT -5
there are actually a couple of verses or so that suggest distancing from those that are doing wrong... *** We need to keep a distance from them but at the same time to let them know we care and want keep the door open to welcome them back after they have repented. Paul wrote about a brother in Christ had a sexual relationship with his step mother. Paul wrote to the Christians in that area to EXCOMMUNICATE from the fellowship to save his soul. The Holy Spirit convicted of his sins and he repented so, Paul asked the church to welcome him back to the fellowship. The problem being, we want to welcome them in to OUR way and ways which have departed from the simplicity that is in Christ. Paul said “follow me”. Very powerful words. To follow someone we go through their experiences also. That’s what it means to follow someone. 2 Corinthians 11:23-29 [23] Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft. [24] Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. [25] Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; [26] In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; [27] In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness. [28] Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches. [29] Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not? What worker do you know that would take you down a road like that for the love of Jesus? There would even be VERY FEW workers today if we couldn’t offer the comfortable lifestyles we have and opportunity to travel etc. Free. We’re no different today than the chief priests and chief rulers and elders and Pharisees etc were in Jesus’s day. He even suggested to his own people then that there would be someone not of their nation that would be in heaven before them. But they trusted in their leaders and in each other and rejected Jesus. Some of their leaders would have been very morally upright men but just following tradition like they were always taught. We’re doing the same! We’re just not honest enough to either see it or admit it. If someone today is excommunicating that’s very thin ice. They have been excommunicating without examining themselves first, and without mercy, and without making their own ways straight first and cleansing the ministry of their own faults. There’s more self righteousness in the ministry than anywhere else. You have to be so careful not to question them or disagree with something that you know isn’t scriptural. Wise as a serpent but harmless as a dove. My mom said once “it will all come out in the wash”. In other words don’t worry about it. It will be dealt with.
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Post by iam on Apr 30, 2020 18:02:08 GMT -5
What chapter & verse is this? Why makes Paul's writing the authority more than other? 1Co_5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.Wally, you need to examine EVERYTHING that is taught about fornication especially thinking about Jesus. You are in no position to qualify quoting that verse. Very very few are, if any. You’re no better off than the adulterers and fornicators and publicans and harlots in Jesus’s day.
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Post by chuck on Apr 30, 2020 18:04:09 GMT -5
Whoop de doo!. Your 100 years of tradition means what exactly?, that your right?. And stop trying to claim direct linkage to the apostles. Its not true. And you do totally the opposite to the examples in the gospels. You have shown me scriptures that justify the judgment of those not like you and a exclusive mindset. Dung!. I need to go to sleep so I'll finish on this note. Many Christians, 2x2's included, use the bible for personal gain. That's selfish and not what it's for. Exclusivity fits into the selfish category!. Exclusivity is the opposite of the Character of Christ. ** You see when everyone enters the ONE door and ONLY Way/Road= Jesus and his teachings then there is NO CONFUSION! or chaos. Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth and Life no man comes unto the Father but through me. It's good you've established that the 2x2's are not the way the truth and the life. I was beginning to think you thought this way of life was the 2x2 promoted way of life and that you though it led to your salvation after death!.
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