magpies39plus
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Post by magpies39plus on Apr 25, 2020 18:20:25 GMT -5
Gill,what do you mean by WORLDLY CHURCH??? Please explain,scripturely. To me it is one of MAN not God!!!! Jesus said this,NOT, William Irvine, Luke 22,v 35-36. Jesus gave NotWilliam Irvine,for the betterment of HIS Church---"The BODY OF CHRIST....... Paul wrote that he and Barney were the ONLY ONES not married, William Irvine the false Prophet,NO,Jesus did not return in 1914,did he??? He created a Ministry of an unatural people and life,allowing many with unatural sexual drives to infiltrate. Telling their victims that they must not talk about it and you will get over it,etc. The ministry that would send the perpetraters o/seas or Interstate. One that excommunicates,is in Irvines teaching casting someone into "HELL".. OH YES----Check this out and ask a member of the Preacher only Ministry to SPEAK on these verses...... Ephesians 4,v 11-12 and 1 Corinthians 9,v 5-6....A MUST READ,..Keeping Woman in bondage,judging them by appearance?? Irvine sacked one of his early followers for not preaching that John Wesley would br burning in HELL.. He was afalse Prophet you see Jesus did not turn up in 1914!!! Deny the Deity of God's (holy) Spirit. Have their followers lie about being nameless,here since 1931,to manage their property(Convention Grounds). Perhaps someone could help this old fella out and print out those 3x verses,thanks. Also what I believe is covered in a creed written by both the East/west Churches 1500 years ago..... SUNG====, "THIS I BELIEVE" [The Creed} by Hillsong. No I am not a Hillsong Cheer Leader but listen to the "WORDS" PS Gill I believe I have just explained Mans Theology tht makes a Worldly Church,one of man not of God or His Word... Love Magpie ,
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 26, 2020 7:40:11 GMT -5
I use the terms that the friends use when I post. I want them to read phrases familiar to them. Some here use phrases unfamiliar to them like 2x2 or f and w...I fear some posts use subject matter that the friends may not be familiar with. When you use their terminology, they are more likely to connect with the post.
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Post by openingact34 on Apr 26, 2020 13:07:09 GMT -5
There is a very nice hymn in the Go-Preacher's Hymn book that explains the viewpoint of the early workers like George Walker, Sam Jones and others regarding worldly churches versus the Truth.
91 THERE is a gate, ‘tis very strait; So few go through it, for they hate To lay aside their earthly pride And follow Jesus crucified.
2 Not many care to hear to-day, That they must walk the narrow way, If they would hear from Christ, “well done” When they their earthly course have run.
3 So prophets false delight to tell The soothing Gospel most love well, And while they will not do but say, The multitudes are led astray.
4 None are to be like Christ to-day; He preached for naught, but we’ll take pay; He said, give freely, live like me, But we must get a salary.
5 For times have changed, and we must go The way that suits us here below; So prophets false that please the crowd Won’t live like Christ because they’re proud.
6 He lived the slave life, they are gents; He freely gave, they charge pew rents; He went about, they settle down; They get man’s smile, He got men’s frown.
7 Therefore the prophet true they hate, Because He says strait is the gate, And lives the way before men’s eyes, The narrow way that most despise.
8 So few profess through prophets true, They’re numbered with transgressors too; While thousands say Lord, Lord, through men Who preach, but won’t live Matthew Ten.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 19:11:41 GMT -5
A hymn like that can only be written by a misguided person. And of course the early Workers promoted that kind of rubbish to promote their own agenda. And to some extent it was successful, many were sucked in by it. It was a disgrace that they vilified people like John Wesley as Magpie pointed out in the OP. He was doing the same work as them, with extreme dedication. The English evangelical clergyman, preacher, and writer John Wesley (1703-1791) was the founder of Methodism. One of England's greatest spiritual leaders, he played a major role in the revival of religion in 18th-century English life.
But it is good that over the years commonsense has prevailed, and they realised the error of their ways. Those dreadful hymns are no longer included in Hymns O & N. The message of Workers has changed, not making people show discrimination toward others who take a different approach.
It strikes a raw nerve with me every time I see that "Worldly" word misused. Because that classification was put on things by those misguided Workers, our lives were greatly interfered with, we were denied so much for no good reason. It was man made by men who were "Control Freaks" and there was no spiritual reason for it at all. The hurt that it caused will always remain.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 26, 2020 19:33:06 GMT -5
There is a very nice hymn in the Go-Preacher's Hymn book that explains the viewpoint of the early workers like George Walker, Sam Jones and others regarding worldly churches versus the Truth. 91 THERE is a gate, ‘tis very strait; So few go through it, for they hate To lay aside their earthly pride And follow Jesus crucified. 2 Not many care to hear to-day, That they must walk the narrow way, If they would hear from Christ, “well done” When they their earthly course have run. 3 So prophets false delight to tell The soothing Gospel most love well, And while they will not do but say, The multitudes are led astray. 4 None are to be like Christ to-day; He preached for naught, but we’ll take pay; He said, give freely, live like me, But we must get a salary. 5 For times have changed, and we must go The way that suits us here below; So prophets false that please the crowd Won’t live like Christ because they’re proud. 6 He lived the slave life, they are gents; He freely gave, they charge pew rents; He went about, they settle down; They get man’s smile, He got men’s frown. 7 Therefore the prophet true they hate, Because He says strait is the gate, And lives the way before men’s eyes, The narrow way that most despise. 8 So few profess through prophets true, They’re numbered with transgressors too; While thousands say Lord, Lord, through men Who preach, but won’t live Matthew Ten. Was this considered a gospel hymn by any chance?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 19:36:42 GMT -5
Sounds like it Bob. Everything to flog their own brand. They were good at it, more's the pity.
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Post by magpies39plus on Apr 27, 2020 17:33:32 GMT -5
OH Those verses-------Luke 22,35-36 Then Jesus asked His Disciples "When I sent you out that time without purse,bag or shoes did you lack anything? "Not a thing they answered" "BUT NOW JESUS SAID" WHOEVER HAS PURSE OR BAGMUST TAKE IT" And whoever has "NO SWORD MUST SELL HIS COAT AND BUY ONE",for "I"that the scripture he says"HE SHARED THE FATE OF CRIMINALS"must come true about ME,for what was written about ME is comming true. The Disciples said"Look here are two swords,Lord".That is enough HE replied". Ephesians 4,v 11-12' It was "HE"!!! who gave gifts to MANKIND,"HE" appointed some to be evangalists,others to be Prophets,some to be Apostles,others to be PASTORS and Teachers. "HE" did this to prepare God's people for the work of Christian service,in order to build up the body of Christ(CHURCH) 1 Corinthians 9 v 5-6......Paul wrote------ Haven't I the right to follow the example of the other Apostles and the Lord's Brothers and Peter by taking a Christian wife with me Or are Baranabas and I the only ones who have"TO WORK FOR A LIVING"?? Love Magpie
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Post by iam on Apr 28, 2020 10:38:59 GMT -5
Sounds like it Bob. Everything to flog their own brand. They were good at it, more's the pity. From some of these hymns comes a lot of the prejudices and thinking and control we have today. I have heard some old workers say that they were wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 19:29:46 GMT -5
Sounds like it Bob. Everything to flog their own brand. They were good at it, more's the pity. From some of these hymns comes a lot of the prejudices and thinking and control we have today. I have heard some old workers say that they were wrong. But never too loudly...
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Post by openingact34 on May 1, 2020 22:20:57 GMT -5
Sounds like it Bob. Everything to flog their own brand. They were good at it, more's the pity. From some of these hymns comes a lot of the prejudices and thinking and control we have today. I have heard some old workers say that they were wrong. Wrong about what exactly? Even admitting to be wrong about the weather forecast would be an earth-shattering development that everyone would have heard of.
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Post by iam on May 1, 2020 22:34:28 GMT -5
From some of these hymns comes a lot of the prejudices and thinking and control we have today. I have heard some old workers say that they were wrong. Wrong about what exactly? Even admitting to be wrong about the weather forecast would be an earth-shattering development that everyone would have heard of. Wrong about teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For one
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Post by openingact34 on May 2, 2020 17:50:30 GMT -5
Wrong about what exactly? Even admitting to be wrong about the weather forecast would be an earth-shattering development that everyone would have heard of. Wrong about teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For one Very cryptic to say the least.
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Post by iam on May 2, 2020 17:54:45 GMT -5
Wrong about teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For one Very cryptic to say the least. Ok
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Post by magpies39plus on May 2, 2020 18:53:53 GMT -5
AS she stood up out of the water,a very tatooed ex= prostitute? What does she do now? Full time worker in the streets of Melbourne,helping runaway kids,pregnant girls,usually incest victims,paedophile victims,wrist slashings,accommodation,liasing with relavent authorities(Police,Welfare Workers,Hospitals,"CHURCHES". Sometimes just a bagel and a coke to start contact to a fragile,frightend person,many when have sort help,to find the helper also abuses them. "NOW" when queried about helping the poor and needy,the GRUMPY old 2x2 Preacher"WALTER PICKERING",said"THEY ARE NOT OUR CONSERN THAT IS WHY YOU PAY YOUR TAXES". Yet he would not have accepted the ex-Prostitute--ON APPEARENCE ALONE,would you?? The congregation on the beach seeing their Pastor lifting her up out of the water many cried,all rejoiced with cheer and clapping. Which of these two examples would be classed a Worldly or Godly Church,with a Biblical Godly embracing of the poor and needy as Jesus did,taught and commanded....Magpie
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Post by openingact34 on May 2, 2020 19:37:06 GMT -5
AS she stood up out of the water,a very tatooed ex= prostitute? What does she do now? Full time worker in the streets of Melbourne,helping runaway kids,pregnant girls,usually incest victims,paedophile victims,wrist slashings,accommodation,liasing with relavent authorities(Police,Welfare Workers,Hospitals,"CHURCHES". Sometimes just a bagel and a coke to start contact to a fragile,frightend person,many when have sort help,to find the helper also abuses them. "NOW" when queried about helping the poor and needy,the GRUMPY old 2x2 Preacher"WALTER PICKERING",said"THEY ARE NOT OUR CONSERN THAT IS WHY YOU PAY YOUR TAXES". Yet he would not have accepted the ex-Prostitute--ON APPEARENCE ALONE,would you?? The congregation on the beach seeing their Pastor lifting her up out of the water many cried,all rejoiced with cheer and clapping. Which of these two examples would be classed a Worldly or Godly Church,with a Biblical Godly embracing of the poor and needy as Jesus did,taught and commanded....Magpie You might be surprised. I knew a 2x2 elder who was tattooed from his unprofessing days. The important thing is obedience to the workers. Just like the Bible shows. Acts 5. Rebellious Ananias and Sapphira didn't think the workers had any business in their real estate and money. Held back some. ZAP!!! They got struck dead by Peter and God. "GREAT FEAR seized the whole church and all who heard about these events." - Acts 5:11
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