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Post by intelchips on Apr 26, 2020 11:03:15 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s inconsiderate at all. I just express my own feelings and thoughts and if that offends people in my church that’s their problem. In fact I say what I say here to them as much as possible too. Honesty is rare. I've met people like you in meeting. Their feelings and thoughts, even when honest, are still nothing more than their own thoughts -- neither necessary, true, caring, or even appropriate; and reserving the right to be offensive is not a virtue. Well Robert, lets me give you a free target to throw some rocks at then. Suppose I were to suggest that the Jewish elders took Plato's writing about how to set up a new colony, write law, select a ruler, and how to create a religion and they took it to heart and from that 2x2s? Can you forgive me a honest thought?
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 26, 2020 11:45:56 GMT -5
I've met people like you in meeting. Their feelings and thoughts, even when honest, are still nothing more than their own thoughts -- neither necessary, true, caring, or even appropriate; and reserving the right to be offensive is not a virtue. Well Robert, lets me give you a free target to throw some rocks at then. Suppose I were to suggest that the Jewish elders took Plato's writing about how to set up a new colony, write law, select a ruler, and how to create a religion and they took it to heat and from that 2x2s? Can you forgive me a honest thought? After a short evaluation of that suggestion, I would say: "You may just be right."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 16:20:58 GMT -5
I cringe at the thought of, much that is written on here being ‘broadcast all over the world!’ Not sure there is too much credence given to inflammatory posts from anonymous posters on some “internet “ board ? Alvin I think you are missing my point. I was not only referring to inflammatory although I acknowledge the thread title. ‘Anonymous’ has nothing to do with my point; no relevance.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 26, 2020 23:39:01 GMT -5
In another thread, someone referred to the mockers and scoffers on TMB. The problem is that some people think any discussion of something near and dear to their hearts is hate or mockery. Some can't stand to see their viewpoints challenged. Some grow up thinking mom and dad are right about everything. They find their little world turned upside down when childhood beliefs are challenged. The ones challenging this kind of mindset are full of hate. I don't think there are mockers and scoffers here. Very few, in fact. Many love to go back to the past and share memories of older workers and friends of yesterday. Many had good experiences in the meetings but chose a different path when they became adults. That doesn't mean some won't point out power abuse when it arises. That doesn't mean they gloss over abuse or hurt from their childhood either. There is NO human group that doesn't have problems and isn't worthy of criticism now and then. If you grew up unable to question the group's beliefs or actions, welcome to reality. I absolutely agree,and if you put something on here expect to have it challenged-all good-except when you are publishing something that was not meant for you. Interestingly-when I challenged you, I got a very catty 'nastish' private message saying I had no right to do so etc. You certainly didnt like your actions questioned. Several years ago I had the same treatment from Gill. He was told in quite strong language to f... off.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 27, 2020 13:05:45 GMT -5
Several years ago I had the same treatment from Gill. He was told in quite strong language to f... off. Gill is a "he"?! Most of the time.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 28, 2020 16:17:56 GMT -5
I never started anything with anyone. But I am not going to let someone rip me apart and then sit back and take it. I think the admin. needs to lock this thread...getting too personal and off topic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 16:35:35 GMT -5
Gill you are a great contributor to TMB, your threads are interesting and encourage debate. Just ignore brickbats, I do, not worth worrying about.
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Post by janj on Apr 30, 2020 4:12:17 GMT -5
I never started anything with anyone. But I am not going to let someone rip me apart and then sit back and take it. I think the admin. needs to lock this thread...getting too personal and off topic. Ripe coming from you No wonder you private message people- you certainly wouldn't want other people on here reading your messages! If you have something nasty to say,say it so that everyone can enjoy it!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 30, 2020 4:19:02 GMT -5
It seems to me that workers never liked being scoffed at. They never liked question time as their flimsy doctrine could be pulled apart in minutes. Wannabe workers are much the same. Trump is much the same. Forever saying silly stuff. If one posts silly stuff then expect to face question time.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 30, 2020 10:55:05 GMT -5
JanJ I am done with you.
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Post by janj on May 1, 2020 6:39:57 GMT -5
Goodness-what a quitter- no perseverance at all!
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Post by magpies39plus on May 1, 2020 19:33:51 GMT -5
Why not? In my original district I was known as "Fiddlers little boy",people including other kids who knew that I met on Sundays at the same home as "Fiddler Jack". I was also victim of another,who later went into the Sect Ministry. In that same district another,younger than me joined that same Sects Ministry. All these "3" were involved in the mental breakdown of Ian Parker,a beautiful young man who of course could not get Pastoral help from the Ministry who embraced these perpetrators. At least they had kicked out "FIDDLER JACK". Ian's sister over this horrid incident founded the BiPolar research fund.I always wonder if there is any compassion within the sect and both Christian Conventions of Victoria and their flock,are digging deep into their pockets,or physically supporting this wonderful Trust Fund.Mockers and Scoffers will always be there when you know such history and that "TWO"from this same clutch of the unbiblically demanded celibacy Ministry,were given 6 months jail for the same "SIN" PAEDOPHELA (CSA)... There you are Wally you say you answer questions,good. Well why wouldn't the 2x2s followers and ministry face "mockers and scoffers"with their secrets and history.Your answer of course will be answered by scriptural/biblical support,won't it,not just feelings? Go for it Wally.. Waiting with love and wonder...Magpie
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 21:04:20 GMT -5
Why not? In my original district I was known as "Fiddlers little boy",people including other kids who knew that I met on Sundays at the same home as "Fiddler Jack". I was also victim of another,who later went into the Sect Ministry. In that same district another,younger than me joined that same Sects Ministry. All these "3" were involved in the mental breakdown of Ian Parker,a beautiful young man who of course could not get Pastoral help from the Ministry who embraced these perpetrators. At least they had kicked out "FIDDLER JACK". Ian's sister over this horrid incident founded the BiPolar research fund.I always wonder if there is any compassion within the sect and both Christian Conventions of Victoria and their flock,are digging deep into their pockets,or physically supporting this wonderful Trust Fund.Mockers and Scoffers will always be there when you know such history and that "TWO"from this same clutch of the unbiblically demanded celibacy Ministry,were given 6 months jail for the same "SIN" PAEDOPHELA (CSA)... There you are Wally you say you answer questions,good. Well why wouldn't the 2x2s followers and ministry face "mockers and scoffers"with their secrets and history.Your answer of course will be answered by scriptural/biblical support,won't it,not just feelings? Go for it Wally.. Waiting with love and wonder...Magpie Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. love wally....
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Post by magpies39plus on May 2, 2020 0:14:25 GMT -5
OK,Wally,in the meantime that is agreat verse.That would cover those who follow the Irvine doctrine,lying about their reason not to follow scripture eg,covering up the reason for celibacy,preacher only ministry,lying about being nameless,keeping women/girls in historic bondage,casting people into hell(excommunicate),refuse some from partaking at the"Lords table",destroying those who would dare question their theology,denying the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit,shutting down for a convention season allowing the masses to not hear their Gospel as they are searching,setting up a fear amongst the young to stay away from others at school or work who are professing christians outside of the Secret 2x2 sect,not having pastoral or counselling for their congregations(biblical)(Paul wrote about then also)HIDING O/SEAS INTERSTATE PERPETRATORS OF ADULTRY,HOMO/LESBIAN,WORST OF ALL CSA PAEDOPHILE ACTS----Offering NO care for the victims. OH also using 2x2 donations to get one of their pedophiles jail sentence suspended,Wendy Southy charges up to $10,000 per day. Thanks for that enlightening verse,Now get back to the answers I asked,be prayerful and seek guidence this time from GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT. Thanks again for that verse again it gave a lot to think about,,Magpie (victam of an EX preacher and also someone who joined the 2x2 ministry after of their CSA =CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE,an unnatural act by those living the unnatural unbiblical lifestyle,it makes me feel sick every time I hear this has and still is still happening amongst the 2x2 sect)
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 5:38:43 GMT -5
OK,Wally,in the meantime that is agreat verse.That would cover those who follow the Irvine doctrine,lying about their reason not to follow scripture eg,covering up the reason for celibacy,preacher only ministry,lying about being nameless,keeping women/girls in historic bondage,casting people into hell(excommunicate),refuse some from partaking at the"Lords table",destroying those who would dare question their theology,denying the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit,shutting down for a convention season allowing the masses to not hear their Gospel as they are searching,setting up a fear amongst the young to stay away from others at school or work who are professing christians outside of the Secret 2x2 sect,not having pastoral or counselling for their congregations(biblical)(Paul wrote about then also)HIDING O/SEAS INTERSTATE PERPETRATORS OF ADULTRY,HOMO/LESBIAN,WORST OF ALL CSA PAEDOPHILE ACTS----Offering NO care for the victims. OH also using 2x2 donations to get one of their pedophiles jail sentence suspended,Wendy Southy charges up to $10,000 per day. Thanks for that enlightening verse,Now get back to the answers I asked,be prayerful and seek guidence this time from GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT. Thanks again for that verse again it gave a lot to think about,,Magpie (victam of an EX preacher and also someone who joined the 2x2 ministry after of their CSA =CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE,an unnatural act by those living the unnatural unbiblical lifestyle,it makes me feel sick every time I hear this has and still is still happening amongst the 2x2 sect) as openingact34 point out you just got done promoting hillsong church on TMB which has its own CSA problems(i looked it up) why would you do that knowing what you and others have suffered?
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Post by fixit on May 2, 2020 19:38:46 GMT -5
OK,Wally,in the meantime that is agreat verse.That would cover those who follow the Irvine doctrine,lying about their reason not to follow scripture eg,covering up the reason for celibacy,preacher only ministry,lying about being nameless,keeping women/girls in historic bondage,casting people into hell(excommunicate),refuse some from partaking at the"Lords table",destroying those who would dare question their theology,denying the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit,shutting down for a convention season allowing the masses to not hear their Gospel as they are searching,setting up a fear amongst the young to stay away from others at school or work who are professing christians outside of the Secret 2x2 sect,not having pastoral or counselling for their congregations(biblical)(Paul wrote about then also)HIDING O/SEAS INTERSTATE PERPETRATORS OF ADULTRY,HOMO/LESBIAN,WORST OF ALL CSA PAEDOPHILE ACTS----Offering NO care for the victims. OH also using 2x2 donations to get one of their pedophiles jail sentence suspended,Wendy Southy charges up to $10,000 per day. Thanks for that enlightening verse,Now get back to the answers I asked,be prayerful and seek guidence this time from GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT. Thanks again for that verse again it gave a lot to think about,,Magpie (victam of an EX preacher and also someone who joined the 2x2 ministry after of their CSA =CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE,an unnatural act by those living the unnatural unbiblical lifestyle,it makes me feel sick every time I hear this has and still is still happening amongst the 2x2 sect) Magpie, I totally agree with you that CSA should never have been tolerated anywhere. It's evil, and there's never an excuse for it. Have you ever had proper professional counseling?
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Post by magpies39plus on May 2, 2020 22:38:58 GMT -5
I have never promoted Hillsong as a good place for the overall theology,it leaves a lot to be desired, But arn't the young ones better there amongst the 5000 than sneeking off to watch the filthy immoral Sydney Mardi Gras. Yes the original founder was a Mentally Disordered Paedophile,just like many 2x2 Ministry Preachers, Don't forget,not many Elders ago Victorias Bishop was carrying a CSA history. MMM We were always warned about RCC Priests and Nuns,when many of us kids were petrefide of having certain 2x2 Preachers in our homes.This of course was a subject you could not mention,oh they are God's true servants,you have got to change your school friends they are filling your head with evil thoughts. In hindsite the antinomians were so prevelent in amongst the unatural A ministry that has drawn up a code of conduct for both congregation and ministry BY MAN yet God has given the greatest code of all=== 27 BOOKS called the NEW TESTAMENT. Written and witheld from the sects followers=secret sect=secret sect alright. Demand a copy Wally,or is it like the REG'd Christian Conventions of Victoria who illegally withold their annual/financial statements from their followers and outside requests. Stop nit picking Wally many eyes have splinters but the Irvines 2x2 have great logs in their eyes,get on your knees and and seek a full answer.... Magpie
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I have never promoted Hillsong as a good place for the overall theology,it leaves a lot to be desired, But arn't the young ones better there amongst the 5000 than sneeking off to watch the filthy immoral Sydney Mardi Gras. Yes the original founder was a Mentally Disordered Paedophile,just like many 2x2 Ministry Preachers, Don't forget,not many Elders ago Victorias Bishop was carrying a CSA history. MMM We were always warned about RCC Priests and Nuns,when many of us kids were petrefide of having certain 2x2 Preachers in our homes.This of course was a subject you could not mention,oh they are God's true servants,you have got to change your school friends they are filling your head with evil thoughts. In hindsite the antinomians were so prevelent in amongst the unatural A ministry that has drawn up a code of conduct for both congregation and ministry BY MAN yet God has given the greatest code of all=== 27 BOOKS called the NEW TESTAMENT. Written and witheld from the sects followers=secret sect=secret sect alright. Demand a copy Wally,or is it like the REG'd Christian Conventions of Victoria who illegally withold their annual/financial statements from their followers and outside requests. Stop nit picking Wally many eyes have splinters but the Irvines 2x2 have great logs in their eyes,get on your knees and and seek a full answer.... Magpie so calling out hillsong church(that you promoted) that has pedophiles is nit picking? maybe you should listen to your own advise. and shame on you for promoting hillsong with its pedo's and yet rail against the truth for its pedo's... so(another promotion) the choice is being among the hillsong 5000 and having CSA put upon you or go to a party where the women show their boobs off? do you actually believe the stuff your spewing? why would i demand a copy of a bible i already own? you aren't making lick of sense as usual.... i would say you should be on your knees praying to God for answers but somehow i don't think that would work....
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Post by nathan on May 2, 2020 23:28:06 GMT -5
I have never promoted Hillsong as a good place for the overall theology,it leaves a lot to be desired, But arn't the young ones better there amongst the 5000 than sneeking off to watch the filthy immoral Sydney Mardi Gras. Yes the original founder was a Mentally Disordered Paedophile,just like many 2x2 Ministry Preachers, Don't forget,not many Elders ago Victorias Bishop was carrying a CSA history. MMM We were always warned about RCC Priests and Nuns,when many of us kids were petrefide of having certain 2x2 Preachers in our homes.This of course was a subject you could not mention,oh they are God's true servants,you have got to change your school friends they are filling your head with evil thoughts. In hindsite the antinomians were so prevelent in amongst the unatural A ministry that has drawn up a code of conduct for both congregation and ministry BY MAN yet God has given the greatest code of all=== 27 BOOKS called the NEW TESTAMENT. Written and witheld from the sects followers=secret sect=secret sect alright. Demand a copy Wally,or is it like the REG'd Christian Conventions of Victoria who illegally withold their annual/financial statements from their followers and outside requests. Stop nit picking Wally many eyes have splinters but the Irvines 2x2 have great logs in their eyes,get on your knees and and seek a full answer.... Magpie so calling out hillsong church(that you promoted) that has pedophiles is nit picking? maybe you should listen to your own advise. and shame on you for promoting hillsong with its pedo's and yet rail against the truth for its pedo's... so(another promotion) the choice is being among the hillsong 5000 and having CSA put upon you or go to a party where the women show their boobs off? do you actually believe the stuff your spewing? why would i demand a copy of a bible i already own? you aren't making lick of sense as usual.... i would say you should be on your knees praying to God for answers but somehow i don't think that would work.... He keeps posting the same thing and verses over and over for years.... and he doesn't know what those verses mean either, if he did he would NOT post it over and over.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 2, 2020 23:39:19 GMT -5
so calling out hillsong church(that you promoted) that has pedophiles is nit picking? maybe you should listen to your own advise. and shame on you for promoting hillsong with its pedo's and yet rail against the truth for its pedo's... so(another promotion) the choice is being among the hillsong 5000 and having CSA put upon you or go to a party where the women show their boobs off? do you actually believe the stuff your spewing? why would i demand a copy of a bible i already own? you aren't making lick of sense as usual.... i would say you should be on your knees praying to God for answers but somehow i don't think that would work.... He keeps posting the same thing and verses over and over for years.... and he doesn't know what those verses mean either, if he did he would NOT post it over and over.
We're used to that on here.
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Post by Pragmatic on May 3, 2020 0:05:16 GMT -5
Forget about founders, they’re irrelevant. There are good people in the 2 * 2s, good people in Hillsong, and good people in other churches. What Magpie is suggesting is that being among good people is better than being in the Mardi Gras, which is more than just boobs, by the way.
As for posting the same stuff over and over, as Bob said, we’re used that.....and apparently it’s to let the readers make up their own minds 🤪
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 0:27:04 GMT -5
What Magpie is suggesting is that being among good people is better than being in the Mardi Gras, which is more than just boobs, by the way. don't hear of pedophiles gathering at mardi gras, do hear of boob showing women, homosexuals and cross dressers though and randy fellows...if hanging out with hillsong people that have pedophiles among them is a good thing then i don't want to hear that hanging out with those in the truth isn't a good thing....promoting one and not the other is called hypocrisy...
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 0:39:10 GMT -5
Best policy is stay away from both.
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Post by Pragmatic on May 3, 2020 0:48:13 GMT -5
What Magpie is suggesting is that being among good people is better than being in the Mardi Gras, which is more than just boobs, by the way. don't hear of pedophiles gathering at mardi gras, do hear of boob showing women, homosexuals and cross dressers though and randy fellows...if hanging out with hillsong people that have pedophiles among them is a good thing then i don't want to hear that hanging out with those in the truth isn't a good thing....promoting one and not the other is called hypocrisy... I have re-read Magpie’s post with a “finer comb”, and if you’re referring to what Magpie said in it, then you’re probably right. It is what he seemed to be suggesting. But I stand by what I said for general purposes, that it is better company being among good people than at a Mardi Gras. however, I will add to that however, in that in saying that one can be helpful in those places if the motive is pure. I refer to the work of Treasures Ministry as an example.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 3:04:14 GMT -5
Are any of these boob-baring women still in town? Asking for a friend.
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Post by nathan on May 3, 2020 9:49:10 GMT -5
He keeps posting the same thing and verses over and over for years.... and he doesn't know what those verses mean either, if he did he would NOT post it over and over.
We're used to that on here. Yes, but he/Mag doesn't engage or willing to discuss with what he posted that is what I am talking about. I am willing to engage, answers what I post on here, many people from the last 20 years, keep on asking the same questions so they get the same answers.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 11:21:27 GMT -5
We're used to that on here. Yes, but he/Mag doesn't engage or willing to discuss with what he posted that is what I am talking about. I am willing to engage, answers what I post on here, many people from the last 20 years, keep on asking the same questions so they get the same answers. I haven't gotten an answer to your 3 hexes in one post (666) yet... very very worried.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 11:25:17 GMT -5
Are any of these boob-baring women still in town? Asking for a friend. If you take off the "Are", you have a haiku, jester.
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