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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 22:36:24 GMT -5
"How was their doctrine lacking?"
It wasn't lacking, it was all the extra rules that got thrown in, and the rigid Worker control that ruled our lives. They controlled Weddings, Funerals, no Christenings. They split up happy families and thought they had a right to do so. Even caused division between Husband and Wife. Had nothing but disdain for other Churches, which is not Christian. And so the list goes on.
Sure if they had stuck with scripture all good. But all the extras that got thrown in made it untenable. Destroyed our lives, and that can never be rectified.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 23:59:47 GMT -5
The point I was trying to make is that nobody on Earth would be able to cut you a key, because Saint Peter has them, and I doubt he would leave them laying around so as somebody could grab them. Curly posted "John Brasted said he had the keys to heaven and hell. Or similar words." False claim by John Brasted, there is no way that he would have an original, to get the locksmith to cut one. And when you think about it the Heaven, Hell story doesn't make any sense, not logical. 150,000 people die in the World each day, a hell of a lot for one person to process. Saint Peter would be flat out, there wouldn't be any meal breaks, or trips to the bathroom. Do think we will put the story in the same basket as all the other fairy tales. If you knew what the keys of heaven were you might understand better. But anyway your post is humorous in a funny innocent way Thanks Speak I like you. But I don't see the point of taking your own key. You wouldn't be allowed to use it, the man at the gate uses his set. It is up to him if you get in or not. Not only that Nathan keeps telling us we are destined for the other place. Won't need a key there, there will be a heap of Cops that will throw you in, no questions asked. I am a logical person,there are many parts of the story I don't understand like this bit, LUKE 13:28 In the Bible There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. Now think about it, people who get cremated won't have any teeth. There is no way they would survive. The chamber is heated to a temperature between 800-1000 degrees Celsius. certainly would burn the scones.Teeth would be well gone. I have both dentures not a tooth in my head, they would melt real fast. Maybe this is why 2x2's don't get cremated they want to keep their teeth. Wrong again Redback, they are going to the good place, no gnashing, just a big smile. This is the reason they want to keep their teeth, nothing worse than a gummy smile. Anyway I am glad that when the time comes for me to gnash, I won't make a noise, I will go quietly. My Wife hates that noise, so at least it won't upset my good TMB friends who will be with me. So you can see that whoever wrote these stories, never got the technical details right. Just trying to frighten the crap out of us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 0:03:47 GMT -5
If you knew what the keys of heaven were you might understand better. But anyway your post is humorous in a funny innocent way Thanks Speak I like you. But I don't see the point of taking your own key. You wouldn't be allowed to use it, the man at the gate uses his set. It is up to him if you get in or not. Not only that Nathan keeps telling us we are destined for the other place. Won't need a key there, there will be a heap of Cops that will throw you in, no questions asked. I am a logical person,there are many parts of the story I don't understand like this bit, LUKE 13:28 In the Bible There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. Now think about it, people who get cremated won't have any teeth. There is no way they would survive. The chamber is heated to a temperature between 800-1000 degrees Celsius. certainly would burn the scones.Teeth would be well gone. I have both dentures not a tooth in my head, they would melt real fast. Maybe this is why 2x2's don't get cremated they want to keep their teeth. Wrong again Redback, they are going to the good place, no gnashing, just a big smile. This is the reason they want to keep their teeth, nothing worse than a gummy smile. Anyway I am glad that when the time comes for me to gnash, I won't make a noise, I will go quietly. My Wife hates that noise, so at least it won't upset my good TMB friends who will be with me. So you can see that whoever wrote these stories, never got the technical details right. Just trying to frighten the crap out of us. your mistake is in thinking that its this body you have now that goes to heaven or hell...the bible doesn't say thats what happens...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 0:07:25 GMT -5
Well then Wally how can there be gnashing of teeth if you are a nothing. Please explain.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 0:12:27 GMT -5
Well then Wally how can there be gnashing of teeth if you are a nothing. Please explain. never said there was nothing.... here is a long answer: www.compellingtruth.org/bodies-hell.htmlshort answer you will be getting a new body when you die one that lasts for eternity whether in heaven or hell....
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 15, 2020 0:15:33 GMT -5
Do they do recycling?
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Post by nathan on Apr 15, 2020 0:18:06 GMT -5
Well then Wally how can there be gnashing of teeth if you are a nothing. Please explain. Something we can't understand on this side of life but after death, on the next life we will understand it clearly... Here is what John the apostle wrote Rev. 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.How could that be? How can those who pierced him centuries ago shall see Christ's return when they had no eyes to see! they are no longer having earthly bodies because it went back to the dust. In Luke 16 Jesus/God spoke about the Rich man and Lazarus... The Rich man had feelings, memory, know the pains and suffering in Hades and the Lazarus knew the peace and joy being with Abraham in a heavenly place.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 15, 2020 0:19:45 GMT -5
Well then Wally how can there be gnashing of teeth if you are a nothing. Please explain. Something we can't understand from this side of life but on that day we will understand it clearly... Here is what John the apostle wrote Rev. 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.How could that be? How can those who pierced him centuries ago shall see Christ's return when they had no eyes to see! they are no longer having earthly bodies because it went back to the dust. Jesus spoke about the Rich man and Lazarus... The Rich man had feelings, memory, know the pains and suffering and the Lazarus know the peace and joy being with Abraham.Tolkien and Rowlands wrote better fiction.
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Post by speak on Apr 15, 2020 0:20:39 GMT -5
To late for you mate
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Post by nathan on Apr 15, 2020 0:25:08 GMT -5
Too late for you mate Well, he is still alive... So, when there is life there is HOPE for him. But After death he still had not REPENT of his sins, then he's a roasted chicken.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 15, 2020 0:41:09 GMT -5
To late for you mate That's a shame as I have some perfectly good bits and pieces that could be reused.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 1:01:16 GMT -5
Well then Wally how can there be gnashing of teeth if you are a nothing. Please explain. never said there was nothing.... here is a long answer: www.compellingtruth.org/bodies-hell.htmlshort answer you will be getting a new body when you die one that lasts for eternity whether in heaven or hell.... Sorry Wally am still getting confused. I get a new body, with a new set of teeth, so as I have something to Gnash and annoy all my mates, as we get thrown into the fire. But it seems a real waste to give you a new body, that is going to be burnt again. Can understand you will be happy with yours because you are going to the good place and will need it for eternity. Just like an extended holiday, sipping Guinness on the house, eating strawberries. Oh well looks like I bought the wrong ticket, dicey travel agent. Should have went to "2x2 Travel" and not "Flight Centre".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 1:23:45 GMT -5
never said there was nothing.... here is a long answer: www.compellingtruth.org/bodies-hell.htmlshort answer you will be getting a new body when you die one that lasts for eternity whether in heaven or hell.... Sorry Wally am still getting confused. I get a new body, with a new set of teeth, so as I have something to Gnash and annoy all my mates, as we get thrown into the fire. But it seems a real waste to give you a new body, that is going to be burnt again. Can understand you will be happy with yours because you are going to the good place and will need it for eternity. Just like an extended holiday, sipping Guinness on the house, eating strawberries. Oh well looks like I bought the wrong ticket, dicey travel agent. Should have went to "2x2 Travel" and not "Flight Centre". its a body that can be roasted/tormented forever it will always exist just as the one in heaven will always exist except that one gets bliss....
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 15, 2020 1:54:35 GMT -5
Well then Wally how can there be gnashing of teeth if you are a nothing. Please explain. never said there was nothing.... here is a long answer: www.compellingtruth.org/bodies-hell.htmlshort answer you will be getting a new body when you die one that lasts for eternity whether in heaven or hell.... Then Wally, -why are such metaphors even used such as "weeping and gnashing of teeth?"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 3:01:10 GMT -5
Sounds good Wally, especially if it does not burn up. So as you enjoy your bliss just spare a thought for us in the fire. Of course it is all pure speculation at the moment, we will just have to wait and see. I will probably find out before you, so if I take my i Phone, I'll let you know. Oh drat i Phone will not withstand 800 degrees. Maybe when we get the new body, we will also get a new i Phone. Probably a different signalling system up there, the ones we have on Earth would not be compatible.
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Post by speak on Apr 15, 2020 3:44:35 GMT -5
To late for you mate That's a shame as I have some perfectly good bits and pieces that could be reused. Maybe you could get a nice set of wooden legs?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 15, 2020 4:22:55 GMT -5
That's a shame as I have some perfectly good bits and pieces that could be reused. Maybe you could get a nice set of wooden legs? Thanks Jake.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 10:59:32 GMT -5
never said there was nothing.... here is a long answer: www.compellingtruth.org/bodies-hell.htmlshort answer you will be getting a new body when you die one that lasts for eternity whether in heaven or hell.... Then Wally, -why are such metaphors even used such as "weeping and gnashing of teeth?"if you read the story of the rich man and lazarus there are a number of clues as to what the new body can do/suffer/endure in hell which if you apply some deductive reasoning to it you'll understand why there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2020 13:35:07 GMT -5
Sounds good Wally, especially if it does not burn up. So as you enjoy your bliss just spare a thought for us in the fire. Of course it is all pure speculation at the moment, we will just have to wait and see. I will probably find out before you, so if I take my i Phone, I'll let you know. Oh drat i Phone will not withstand 800 degrees. Maybe when we get the new body, we will also get a new i Phone. Probably a different signalling system up there, the ones we have on Earth would not be compatible. You really have to wonder why those that thought that Saddam Hussain and his family were so terrible for using torture for a few years for crimes against them not getting upset when their God tortures his creation just because they questioned whether or not he existed for EVER. Where is the morality to that I wonder. It's okay when God does it??
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Post by speak on Apr 15, 2020 16:51:27 GMT -5
Maybe you could get a nice set of wooden legs? Thanks Jake. Sorry I'm full blown Kiwi, you'll need to speak to redback
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Post by sauerkraut on Apr 15, 2020 18:43:30 GMT -5
Frank would have started in the work around 1946. We had him in our home and I think he had only just started. His Parents used to be in our meeting, lovely gracious couple. Had a small farm, where Frank grew up. He was one of that Victorian group, who were taught by Bill Carroll who was different, not popular with other Overseers, because they thought he did not conform to 2x2 teachings. That group of Workers that Frank was a part of, had a close bond with each other, there was a lot of love, that I will always cherish. The Victorian Workers did not travel interstate the way they do now, they were always there, and became family to us. But after the big row in Victoria in the 50's, Willie Donaldson broke up the happy family. They were sent all over the World. I was not aware that Frank went to NZ. It was not the same for us after that, in fact many of us were deeply hurt because of it. The Workers that came in were not the same, you really had difficulty connecting with them. The friendliness was gone, as far as they were concerned it was business that mattered. Those years in the 40's and 50's were the best. Mind you it was a different World then people probably had a better connection with each other, slower life style, less interference by technology. I always regret that those wonderful Workers didn't have a better doctrine to present to us. If they had of had the right stuff, it would have been Heaven. I used to write to Frank Hitchins, he was a very humble and unassuming man
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Post by chuck on Apr 15, 2020 19:33:42 GMT -5
🤣🤣 that's funny right there!
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Post by chuck on Apr 15, 2020 19:37:53 GMT -5
Well then Wally how can there be gnashing of teeth if you are a nothing. Please explain. Dont worry redback. Unless your planning to be buried in the rubbish dump of Ghenna there will be no weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 15, 2020 19:41:36 GMT -5
Sorry I'm full blown Kiwi, you'll need to speak to redback Rolph that. Over and out.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 16, 2020 8:14:37 GMT -5
The 1950s bust up has often intrigued me. It got so bad that out of state overseers had to come in and intervene.
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