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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 12, 2020 13:56:39 GMT -5
I don't know the situation discussed but someone complained about the friends not being "compliant". They said that God's people are better than that. Some just want to think that the workers know best. I don't know if the issue was about telephone meetings or not. That issue has been discussed..how some workers are OK with it and others aren't. Interesting how technology has got some thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 14:41:40 GMT -5
LOL! Bout right.
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Post by nathan on Apr 12, 2020 15:15:55 GMT -5
I don't know the situation discussed but someone complained about the friends not being "compliant". They said that God's people are better than that. Some just want to think that the workers know best. I don't know if the issue was about telephone meetings or not. That issue has been discussed..how some workers are OK with it and others aren't. Interesting how technology has got some thinking. 30 yrs ago, the older generation thought the computers were evil and tell the friends NOT to have it... Thanks, goodness for the current generation of workers didn't obey those older workers, now most of the friends in USA and in other countries have computers, Phone with internet. Can you imagine with the Corona Virus is spreading fast, and without knowing how to use computers or having radios the friends would be in a pickle these days...
God give us brains please, use it wisely...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 15:39:48 GMT -5
People have every right to not allow Workers to rule their lives. I am glad that there is more freedom now and not like the draconian nonsense that we had to put up with 70 years ago. Workers were completely dominant, there was no way you could tell them "Get Stuffed" as they do now. If you did you would not be at the meeting next Sunday, or ever again.
Your path is unique and different and special. Just like you! So checking in with your intuitive knowledge about who you are and what you really desire is essential to let go of others opinions. Because then you'll always have a connection with your truth!
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Post by mountain on Apr 12, 2020 16:44:59 GMT -5
People have every right to not allow Workers to rule their lives. I am glad that there is more freedom now and not like the draconian nonsense that we had to put up with 70 years ago. Workers were completely dominant, there was no way you could tell them "Get Stuffed" as they do now. If you did you would not be at the meeting next Sunday, or ever again. Your path is unique and different and special. Just like you! So checking in with your intuitive knowledge about who you are and what you really desire is essential to let go of others opinions. Because then you'll always have a connection with your truth! Workers are no different from anyone else and should be accountable for their words and actions. Being kindly and firm in your stand should be enough to make others back off. We all need our fingers burnt from time to time as part of our learning process. Sometimes we just need others to tell us we are wrong. Give and take in love.
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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 0:54:22 GMT -5
I don't know the situation discussed but someone complained about the friends not being "compliant". They said that God's people are better than that. Some just want to think that the workers know best. I don't know if the issue was about telephone meetings or not. That issue has been discussed..how some workers are OK with it and others aren't. Interesting how technology has got some thinking. The romans put Jesus to death for bucking the system and the threat of their power over the people being removed. Look out it you buck the system. Thank God we are a little more civilized and the worst penalty is only excomunication.
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Post by mountain on Apr 13, 2020 2:26:12 GMT -5
I don't know the situation discussed but someone complained about the friends not being "compliant". They said that God's people are better than that. Some just want to think that the workers know best. I don't know if the issue was about telephone meetings or not. That issue has been discussed..how some workers are OK with it and others aren't. Interesting how technology has got some thinking. The romans put Jesus to death for bucking the system and the threat of their power over the people being removed. Look out it you buck the system. Thank God we are a little more civilized and the worst penalty is only excomunication. Back in Jesus' day the Romans and religious leaders only had power over your natural life AND natural death. In the minds of many, the workers have far greater power than just ex-communication from the group. They have power over your eternal soul. That's a far greater power than the Romans had.
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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 8:50:04 GMT -5
The romans put Jesus to death for bucking the system and the threat of their power over the people being removed. Look out it you buck the system. Thank God we are a little more civilized and the worst penalty is only excomunication. Back in Jesus' day the Romans and religious leaders only had power over your natural life AND natural death. In the minds of many, the workers have far greater power than just ex-communication from the group. They have power over your eternal soul. That's a far greater power than the Romans had. They (workers) have no such power. If one believes they have this type of power they need mental help now!. Excomunication is the only power they have, which ironically is "worldy".
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Post by mountain on Apr 13, 2020 9:52:15 GMT -5
Back in Jesus' day the Romans and religious leaders only had power over your natural life AND natural death. In the minds of many, the workers have far greater power than just ex-communication from the group. They have power over your eternal soul. That's a far greater power than the Romans had. They (workers) have no such power. If one believes they have this type of power they need mental help now!. Excomunication is the only power they have, which ironically is "worldy". That, that thou doth sayest is indeed correct other than the inference that those who have fallen for indoctrination are somehow mentally unbalanced. Even the best of us can fall to the power of indoctrination. It is no different from falling under the spell of a used car salesman or conman such as a furtive rice salesman. People just need to realise what is/has happened to them. Like discovering you have been defrauded, the last thing you want to come to terms with is the truth of the matter. Also, please remember that often the most intelligent of us can often be the most stupid.
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Post by fixit on Apr 13, 2020 15:15:35 GMT -5
The romans put Jesus to death for bucking the system and the threat of their power over the people being removed. Look out it you buck the system. Thank God we are a little more civilized and the worst penalty is only excomunication. Back in Jesus' day the Romans and religious leaders only had power over your natural life AND natural death. In the minds of many, the workers have far greater power than just ex-communication from the group. They have power over your eternal soul. That's a far greater power than the Romans had. That's a power no human should be offered and no human should claim.
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Post by nathan on Apr 13, 2020 16:26:54 GMT -5
Back in Jesus' day the Romans and religious leaders only had power over your natural life AND natural death. In the minds of many, the workers have far greater power than just ex-communication from the group. They have power over your eternal soul. That's a far greater power than the Romans had. That's a power no human should be offered and no human should claim. The apostles and the 2x2 workers do NOT claim they themselves can forgive people sins, but that power was given to them from preaching the gospel forgiveness of sins to those who receive Jesus Christ as their Savior.Jesus said Matthew 9:6 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the paralyzed man, "Get up, take your mat and go home." Jesus said in Mark 2:10 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the man' John 20:21-23 Again Jesus said to His apostles, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
Jesus said to the 12, 70 and those were sent like them into the world in Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me... Jesus said in Matthew 10:40 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
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Post by fixit on Apr 13, 2020 16:52:21 GMT -5
That's a power no human should be offered and no human should claim. The apostles and the 2x2 workers do NOT claim they themselves can forgive people sins, but that power was given to them from preaching the gospel forgiveness of sins to those who receive Jesus Christ as their Savior.Jesus said Matthew 9:6 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the paralyzed man, "Get up, take your mat and go home." Jesus said in Mark 2:10 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the man' John 20:21-23 Again Jesus said to His apostles, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
Jesus said to the 12, 70 and those were sent like them into the world in Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me... Jesus said in Matthew 10:40 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Do workers really believe they have the power of absolution?
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Post by mountain on Apr 13, 2020 16:52:35 GMT -5
Back in Jesus' day the Romans and religious leaders only had power over your natural life AND natural death. In the minds of many, the workers have far greater power than just ex-communication from the group. They have power over your eternal soul. That's a far greater power than the Romans had. That's a power no human should be offered and no human should claim. Except for one. To whom it has been given.
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Post by mountain on Apr 13, 2020 16:59:38 GMT -5
That's a power no human should be offered and no human should claim. The apostles and the 2x2 workers do NOT claim they themselves can forgive people sins, but that power was given to them from preaching the gospel forgiveness of sins to those who receive Jesus Christ as their Savior.Jesus said Matthew 9:6 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the paralyzed man, "Get up, take your mat and go home." Jesus said in Mark 2:10 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the man' John 20:21-23 Again Jesus said to His apostles, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
Jesus said to the 12, 70 and those were sent like them into the world in Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me... Jesus said in Matthew 10:40 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
We are commanded to forgive those who trespass against us. Never forget that it is God who has given us this power. When we forgive those who wrong us, it is God working through us. Those we forgive are forgiven as long as they have repented. That's how important it is. God will not hold it against anyone the wrongs they have done to us if they had repented and we have forgiven them. It is the power of God working through us. However, we cannot make a scarlet sinner as white as snow. Only the blood of Christ has the power to do that to a repentant believer. Forgive as we forgive and set each other free. That's why it is important to forgive. A child of God has been given power to forgive those who have wronged them for those particular wrongs.
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Post by nathan on Apr 13, 2020 17:22:08 GMT -5
The apostles and the 2x2 workers do NOT claim they themselves can forgive people sins, but that power was given to them from preaching the gospel forgiveness of sins to those who receive Jesus Christ as their Savior.Jesus said Matthew 9:6 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the paralyzed man, "Get up, take your mat and go home." Jesus said in Mark 2:10 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the man' John 20:21-23 Again Jesus said to His apostles, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
Jesus said to the 12, 70 and those were sent like them into the world in Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me... Jesus said in Matthew 10:40 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Do workers really believe they have the power of absolution? It's the gospel of Christ that the workers preach, it is Christ/Jesus who forgives sins and NOT the them. They present the gospel of Christ and those who accept and believe Jesus SAVES as their Redeemer/Savior then theirs sins are forgiven. They just bring/preach the gospel message Jesus SAVES to ALL.
Paul wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us/apostles the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. We then workers together with him beseech you that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
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Post by nathan on Apr 13, 2020 17:28:18 GMT -5
The apostles and the 2x2 workers do NOT claim they themselves can forgive people sins, but that power was given to them from preaching the gospel forgiveness of sins to those who receive Jesus Christ as their Savior.Jesus said Matthew 9:6 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the paralyzed man, "Get up, take your mat and go home." Jesus said in Mark 2:10 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the man' John 20:21-23 Again Jesus said to His apostles, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
Jesus said to the 12, 70 and those were sent like them into the world in Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me... Jesus said in Matthew 10:40 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
We are commanded to forgive those who trespass against us. Never forget that it is God who has given us this power. When we forgive those who wrong us, it is God working through us. Those we forgive are forgiven as long as they have repented. That's how important it is. God will not hold it against anyone the wrongs they have done to us if they had repented and we have forgiven them. It is the power of God working through us. However, we cannot make a scarlet sinner as white as snow. Only the blood of Christ has the power to do that to a repentant believer. Forgive as we forgive and set each other free. That's why it is important to forgive. A child of God has been given power to forgive those who have wronged them for those particular wrongs. I agree this is toward to another believer in Christ. As believers in Christ we can set each other free by showing forgiveness to one another. Jesus said in Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. Jesus said in Matthew 18:35 "This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart."
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 13, 2020 20:11:54 GMT -5
Back in Jesus' day the Romans and religious leaders only had power over your natural life AND natural death. In the minds of many, the workers have far greater power than just ex-communication from the group. They have power over your eternal soul. That's a far greater power than the Romans had. That's a power no human should be offered and no human should claim. John Brasted said he had the keys to heaven and hell. Or similar words.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 20:55:29 GMT -5
I doubt that keys are needed for either spot. Heaven you need to get past Saint Peter. Hell just walk right in.
Who stands at the pearly gates? Saint Peter The image of the gates in popular culture is a set of large gold, white or wrought-iron gates in the clouds, guarded by Saint Peter (the keeper of the "keys to the kingdom"). Those not fit to enter heaven are denied entrance at the gates, and descend into Hell.
Seven Gates The Seven Gates of Hell: A local legend claims that in the woods off Trout Run Road in Hellam Township, Pennsylvania, sit the Seven Gates of Hell. According to popular fiction, the gates appear near the site of a tragic asylum fire, and if you step through all seven gates, you land straight in Hell.
Very convenient for Mr. Trump.
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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 21:39:08 GMT -5
Do workers really believe they have the power of absolution? It's the gospel of Christ that the workers preach, it is Christ/Jesus who forgives sins and NOT the them. They present the gospel of Christ and those who accept and believe Jesus SAVES as their Redeemer/Savior then theirs sins are forgiven. They just bring/preach the gospel message Jesus SAVES to ALL.
Paul wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us/apostles the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. We then workers together with him beseech you that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
Hardly any Gospel preached nowadays. Mostly performance based 2x2ism. Nothing like the gospel story at all. One worker even preached about how its like a balance sheet. 🤦♂️
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 21:50:18 GMT -5
It's the gospel of Christ that the workers preach, it is Christ/Jesus who forgives sins and NOT the them. They present the gospel of Christ and those who accept and believe Jesus SAVES as their Redeemer/Savior then theirs sins are forgiven. They just bring/preach the gospel message Jesus SAVES to ALL.
Paul wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us/apostles the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. We then workers together with him beseech you that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
Hardly any Gospel preached nowadays. Mostly performance based 2x2ism. Nothing like the gospel story at all. One worker even preached about how its like a balance sheet. 🤦♂️ when the good book says at the end the books will be open and people will be judge according to whats in the books or not in the books sounds like someone is keeping track of something... when daniel says something like you are weighed in the balances and found wanting sounds like someone is keep track of something... sounds like a balance sheet to me....
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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 22:05:04 GMT -5
Hardly any Gospel preached nowadays. Mostly performance based 2x2ism. Nothing like the gospel story at all. One worker even preached about how its like a balance sheet. 🤦♂️ when the good book says at the end the books will be open and people will be judge according to whats in the books or not in the books sounds like someone is keeping track of something... when daniel says something like you are weighed in the balances and found wanting sounds like someone is keep track of something... sounds like a balance sheet to me.... Dear god wally it's not a balance sheet. You cannot manipulate God. Daniel is not about working hard to earn your salvation. Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. - Romans 4:4
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Post by nathan on Apr 13, 2020 22:37:24 GMT -5
It's the gospel of Christ that the workers preach, it is Christ/Jesus who forgives sins and NOT the them. They present the gospel of Christ and those who accept and believe Jesus SAVES as their Redeemer/Savior then theirs sins are forgiven. They just bring/preach the gospel message Jesus SAVES to ALL.
Paul wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us/apostles the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. We then workers together with him beseech you that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
Hardly any Gospel preached nowadays. Mostly performance based 2x2ism. Nothing like the gospel story at all. One worker even preached about how its like a balance sheet. 🤦♂️ Yes, the early days 2x2 workers had a clearer gospel message of who Jesus Christ was and is God than the current workers.... but the Holy Spirit can reveal the Godhead to those who seek these things for themselves. However, the most important part of the gospel Jesus SAVES, Jesus apostolic New Testament ministry and the Sunday morning worship of the Godhead by the current workers, that hasn't changed... Thanks, be to God for that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 23:04:37 GMT -5
when the good book says at the end the books will be open and people will be judge according to whats in the books or not in the books sounds like someone is keeping track of something... when daniel says something like you are weighed in the balances and found wanting sounds like someone is keep track of something... sounds like a balance sheet to me.... Dear god wally it's not a balance sheet. You cannot manipulate God. Daniel is not about working hard to earn your salvation. Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. - Romans 4:4 that in no way refutes my post....
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Post by fixit on Apr 14, 2020 0:00:39 GMT -5
That's a power no human should be offered and no human should claim. John Brasted said he had the keys to heaven and hell. Or similar words. Just as well I cut my hair when he told me to.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 14, 2020 0:06:04 GMT -5
John Brasted said he had the keys to heaven and hell. Or similar words. Just as well I cut my hair when he told me to. You are lucky he didn't do it himself.
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Post by speak on Apr 14, 2020 1:41:33 GMT -5
Just as well I cut my hair when he told me to. You are lucky he didn't do it himself. Nothin wrong with old Johnny
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 14, 2020 1:44:24 GMT -5
You are lucky he didn't do it himself. Nothin wrong with old Johnny Apart from his lack of hair cutting skills.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 14, 2020 1:46:06 GMT -5
Frank Hitchens was my nemesis on the hair subject, and Walker S not much better. He wanted to shear a number of us back then.
I’ve heard Max G say the same things about the keys, and also say that you had to obey the workers, no matter what, and if they were wrong, it was on their shoulders.
Hopefully he has learned a few sharp lessons in life since then.
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