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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 12, 2020 10:42:48 GMT -5
One man mentioned that they kept the number down to 10. Texas has had very low COVID 19 deaths. It is hard to stay within 6 feet inside unless you had a large meeting room. Governor Greg Abbott has been favorable to religious gatherings in Texas.
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Post by xna on Apr 12, 2020 11:01:14 GMT -5
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 12, 2020 11:05:04 GMT -5
250 in a state with more people than New York who has lost 8000 or so. Pretty small number by comparison.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 12, 2020 11:09:21 GMT -5
9300 dead in New York 260 dead in Texas...
Texas is kicking the coronavirus pardner.
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Post by xna on Apr 12, 2020 12:07:52 GMT -5
250 in a state with more people than New York who has lost 8000 or so. Pretty small number by comparison. You don't fly to TX on the way to somewhere else like Chicago which is a big east west hub airport. The TX curve is behind NYC, but their time will soon come. Governors like the one in TX will have blood on his hands for making church an "essential service".
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Post by xna on Apr 12, 2020 12:15:59 GMT -5
9300 dead in New York 260 dead in Texas... Texas is kicking the coronavirus pardner. About a month ago you could have said the same thing about the USA vs. China (as trump did). But that wasn't the end of the story. TX is just behind NYC, that's all. Dallas and Houston will soon spike like all other large metro cities around the world. Over confidence, large church gatherings, and Texans thinking they are special, all this will work against them.
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Post by matisse on Apr 12, 2020 12:30:25 GMT -5
9300 dead in New York 260 dead in Texas... Texas is kicking the coronavirus pardner. Houston has a population density of 3,662 people per square mile. New York City has a population density of 26,403 people per square mile. Narrow the focus to Manhattan, and it skyrockets to 66,940 people per square mile. Houston is like a gnat buzzing around New York City's head.
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Post by slowtosee on Apr 12, 2020 12:56:06 GMT -5
9300 dead in New York 260 dead in Texas... Texas is kicking the coronavirus pardner. About a month ago you could have said the same thing about the USA vs. China (as trump did). But that wasn't the end of the story. TX is just behind NYC, that's all. Dallas and Houston will soon spike like all other large metro cities around the world. Over confidence, large church gatherings, and Texans thinking they are special, all this will work against them. Sweden is “business as usual “ ,( with exceptions ) and wonder how it will turn out for them . Can’t really blame “church” gatherings etc in their case . Their health minister is using logic , science and “probabilities “ etc . I hope they are right but ? Denmark , Norway not in agreement at all so lots of controversy Swedes have great trust in their government. Hopefully , well Placed Alvin www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/10/europe/sweden-lockdown-turmp-intl/index.html“The next month will determine whether the Swedish system got it right.”
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Post by xna on Apr 12, 2020 13:26:11 GMT -5
About a month ago you could have said the same thing about the USA vs. China (as trump did). But that wasn't the end of the story. TX is just behind NYC, that's all. Dallas and Houston will soon spike like all other large metro cities around the world. Over confidence, large church gatherings, and Texans thinking they are special, all this will work against them. Sweden is “business as usual “ ,( with exceptions ) and wonder how it will turn out for them . Can’t really blame “church” gatherings etc in their case . Their health minister is using logic , science and “probabilities “ etc . I hope they are right but ? Denmark , Norway not in agreement at all so lots of controversy Swedes have great trust in their government. Hopefully , well Placed Alvin www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/10/europe/sweden-lockdown-turmp-intl/index.html“The next month will determine whether the Swedish system got it right.” Present per capita score. The death from Covid-19 odds are better now in the USA than in Sweden. Number dead Population Deaths per capita --------------- ----------- ------------------- USA 21,489 328,200,000 1: 15,272 0.007% Sweden 889 10,230,000 1: 11,507 0.009%
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 12, 2020 13:47:29 GMT -5
This Texas meeting is about 100 miles from the Louisiana line. I wonder if Lyle Schober is OK with this meeting be held even if numbers were less than 10.
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Post by snow on Apr 12, 2020 19:42:38 GMT -5
About a month ago you could have said the same thing about the USA vs. China (as trump did). But that wasn't the end of the story. TX is just behind NYC, that's all. Dallas and Houston will soon spike like all other large metro cities around the world. Over confidence, large church gatherings, and Texans thinking they are special, all this will work against them. Sweden is “business as usual “ ,( with exceptions ) and wonder how it will turn out for them . Can’t really blame “church” gatherings etc in their case . Their health minister is using logic , science and “probabilities “ etc . I hope they are right but ? Denmark , Norway not in agreement at all so lots of controversy Swedes have great trust in their government. Hopefully , well Placed Alvin www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/10/europe/sweden-lockdown-turmp-intl/index.html“The next month will determine whether the Swedish system got it right.” It will be interesting to watch for sure. I have been watching them since the news articles have been circulating that they are only in partial lock down. They aren't doing all that well. Today they had 332 new cases bring that total to 10,483 and 12 new deaths today bring that total to 899. That is since 8 am this morning. But if it continues along the same numbers as other countries in total lock down, it might be seen as the way forward to get people back to work. Time will tell.
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Post by SharonArnold on Apr 12, 2020 19:48:12 GMT -5
Sweden is “business as usual “ ,( with exceptions ) and wonder how it will turn out for them . Can’t really blame “church” gatherings etc in their case . Their health minister is using logic , science and “probabilities “ etc . I hope they are right but ? Denmark , Norway not in agreement at all so lots of controversy Swedes have great trust in their government. Hopefully , well Placed Alvin www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/10/europe/sweden-lockdown-turmp-intl/index.html“The next month will determine whether the Swedish system got it right.” Present per capita score. The death from Covid-19 odds are better now in the USA than in Sweden. Number dead Population Deaths per capita --------------- ----------- ------------------- USA 21,489 328,200,000 1: 15,272 0.007% Sweden 889 10,230,000 1: 11,507 0.009% Sweden is betting on the long run. Time will tell if they are right. The distancing measures in other countries are meant to buy time - for catching up on medical supplies, hospital beds, possible treatments, and eventually, vaccines. This may be sufficient. But why are provinces in China building extensive field hospitals at the moment? Why do places like Singapore and Japan have some troubling stats at the moment?
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Post by ForeverFree on Apr 12, 2020 19:48:33 GMT -5
One man mentioned that they kept the number down to 10. Texas has had very low COVID 19 deaths. It is hard to stay within 6 feet inside unless you had a large meeting room. Governor Greg Abbott has been favorable to religious gatherings in Texas. Governor Greg Abbott and anyone that believes that religion is above the law and set regulations is a complete fool and a big part of the reason why numbers of infections are going to skyrocket after this weekend.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 12, 2020 20:00:10 GMT -5
I wonder how Lyle Schober feels about this meeting? I am surprised that this person mentioned it on facebook.
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Post by chuck on Apr 12, 2020 22:13:22 GMT -5
One man mentioned that they kept the number down to 10. Texas has had very low COVID 19 deaths. It is hard to stay within 6 feet inside unless you had a large meeting room. Governor Greg Abbott has been favorable to religious gatherings in Texas. Stupidity. At least we know what is Holy to these people!.
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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 13, 2020 5:32:59 GMT -5
I wonder how Lyle Schober feels about this meeting? I am surprised that this person mentioned it on facebook. Maybe all participants were from the same family?
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 13, 2020 7:31:03 GMT -5
That is possible. He has 2 children. Some places put restrictions on visiting family members outside the household. This guy is a tall Texan in every sense of the word. His facebook page is devoted to constitutional rights including the right to bear arms. He mentioned that it was good to be back to his fellowship meeting again.
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Post by fixit on Apr 13, 2020 15:27:05 GMT -5
Present per capita score. The death from Covid-19 odds are better now in the USA than in Sweden. Number dead Population Deaths per capita --------------- ----------- ------------------- USA 21,489 328,200,000 1: 15,272 0.007% Sweden 889 10,230,000 1: 11,507 0.009% Sweden is betting on the long run. Time will tell if they are right. The distancing measures in other countries are meant to buy time - for catching up on medical supplies, hospital beds, possible treatments, and eventually, vaccines. This may be sufficient. But why are provinces in China building extensive field hospitals at the moment? Why do places like Singapore and Japan have some troubling stats at the moment? The Swedish government should have a chat with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Swedish experts are concerned: The Journal of the Swedish Medical Association has published a cautionary paper on the dangers, while the daily Dagens Nyheter has printed multiple strongly worded op-eds, including one on Saturday by by Stefan Hanson, an international health PhD, and Claudia Hanson, an epidemiologist. “We see the situation in Italy,” the authors wrote, “and we are only a few weeks behind … We can’t surrender! The UK, which had the same strategy as Sweden, has now changed completely. It is Stefan Löfven’s duty to do the same in Sweden.’’ Marcus Carlsson, a mathematician at Lund University, has published YouTube videos arguing that there is no evidence of a “herd immunity” approach controlling a virus outbreak anywhere in the world. He described the government’s approach as “a mad experiment with 10 million people”. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/swedish-pm-warned-russian-roulette-covid-19-strategy-herd-immunity
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Post by snow on Apr 14, 2020 13:47:41 GMT -5
Sweden is betting on the long run. Time will tell if they are right. The distancing measures in other countries are meant to buy time - for catching up on medical supplies, hospital beds, possible treatments, and eventually, vaccines. This may be sufficient. But why are provinces in China building extensive field hospitals at the moment? Why do places like Singapore and Japan have some troubling stats at the moment? The Swedish government should have a chat with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Swedish experts are concerned: The Journal of the Swedish Medical Association has published a cautionary paper on the dangers, while the daily Dagens Nyheter has printed multiple strongly worded op-eds, including one on Saturday by by Stefan Hanson, an international health PhD, and Claudia Hanson, an epidemiologist. “We see the situation in Italy,” the authors wrote, “and we are only a few weeks behind … We can’t surrender! The UK, which had the same strategy as Sweden, has now changed completely. It is Stefan Löfven’s duty to do the same in Sweden.’’ Marcus Carlsson, a mathematician at Lund University, has published YouTube videos arguing that there is no evidence of a “herd immunity” approach controlling a virus outbreak anywhere in the world. He described the government’s approach as “a mad experiment with 10 million people”. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/swedish-pm-warned-russian-roulette-covid-19-strategy-herd-immunityI have been following what's happening in Sweden because they have been one of the countries that has only done a partial lock down. I had hoped that they might be an example of what we can do going forward and getting back to work. Been watching China's numbers since they have gone back to only a partial lock down and trying to get back to work. China was stable for about two weeks with virtually no new cases and deaths (very few) and since then they are on the rise again. So that means it will likely happen the same in other countries unfortunately. And, they are quite used to wearing masks unlike most of our countries. Sweden is not doing well. I have been watching their stats compared to Canada and their deaths per 1 million people is 102 Sweden vs 21 Canada. So the lock down that we are doing seems to be more effective then their partial lock down. That is disappointing because we all know that we need to get back to work if we don't want to totally destroy the economy, but if we do ignore the lock down we then face more infected and more dying. Is that going to be our new reality? Before we had vaccines for small pox, diphtheria etc it was common for people to die of these diseases. It was a harsh reality of life before vaccines. So is this our new reality until we can have a vaccine for covid-19?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 13:50:20 GMT -5
The Swedish government should have a chat with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Swedish experts are concerned: The Journal of the Swedish Medical Association has published a cautionary paper on the dangers, while the daily Dagens Nyheter has printed multiple strongly worded op-eds, including one on Saturday by by Stefan Hanson, an international health PhD, and Claudia Hanson, an epidemiologist. “We see the situation in Italy,” the authors wrote, “and we are only a few weeks behind … We can’t surrender! The UK, which had the same strategy as Sweden, has now changed completely. It is Stefan Löfven’s duty to do the same in Sweden.’’ Marcus Carlsson, a mathematician at Lund University, has published YouTube videos arguing that there is no evidence of a “herd immunity” approach controlling a virus outbreak anywhere in the world. He described the government’s approach as “a mad experiment with 10 million people”. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/swedish-pm-warned-russian-roulette-covid-19-strategy-herd-immunityI have been following what's happening in Sweden because they have been one of the countries that has only done a partial lock down. I had hoped that they might be an example of what we can do going forward and getting back to work. Been watching China's numbers since they have gone back to only a partial lock down and trying to get back to work. China was stable for about two weeks with virtually no new cases and deaths (very few) and since then they are on the rise again. So that means it will likely happen the same in other countries unfortunately. And, they are quite used to wearing masks unlike most of our countries. Sweden is not doing well. I have been watching their stats compared to Canada and their deaths per 1 million people is 102 Sweden vs 21 Canada. So the lock down that we are doing seems to be more effective then their partial lock down. That is disappointing because we all know that we need to get back to work if we don't want to totally destroy the economy, but if we do ignore the lock down we then face more infected and more dying. Is that going to be our new reality? Before we had vaccines for small pox, diphtheria etc it was common for people to die of these diseases. It was a harsh reality of life before vaccines. So is this our new reality until we can have a vaccine for covid-19? most likely...
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 16, 2020 8:10:45 GMT -5
The workers and elders need to contact their county or city governments before thinking about resuming their meetings. Going behind the authorities' back could result in serious consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 8:34:10 GMT -5
Do you think it was ok for my sister-in-law's mother and sisters (one is a worker) to come stay with her while she mourns her husband's passing? They came from 2 different states. Before you answer I want you to think about how you would feel if it were you who had lost a spouse and had been social distancing with your husband for weeks before this happened. Would you want to be alone at a time like this?
There are grey area in all situations. A little kindness and compassion can go along ways sometimes.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 16, 2020 8:44:57 GMT -5
Some in the meeting group can feel like being RIGHT is more important than being NICE. And when people idolize a group of people, such things can heppen. Some in the ministry, thankfully not all, have an elevated sense of self importance. The friends are party to blame for idolizing their ministry. Love them but don't worship them or any other human being .
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 16, 2020 9:54:25 GMT -5
9300 dead in New York 260 dead in Texas... Texas is kicking the coronavirus pardner. You aren't going to get off that easy.
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Post by daft on Apr 16, 2020 13:43:39 GMT -5
Do you think it was ok for my sister-in-law's mother and sisters (one is a worker) to come stay with her while she mourns her husband's passing? They came from 2 different states. Before you answer I want you to think about how you would feel if it were you who had lost a spouse and had been social distancing with your husband for weeks before this happened. Would you want to be alone at a time like this? There are grey area in all situations. A little kindness and compassion can go along ways sometimes. That's a tough situation. This isn't a result of a man name Doug passing away is it?
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 17, 2020 13:07:19 GMT -5
Given how the saints can elevate their servants, it isn't surprising that the servants don't expect special treatment...really just a few bad apples. Some are such wonderful, gracious and reasonable people.
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