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Post by chuck on Apr 26, 2020 0:46:57 GMT -5
It appears you've never read anything ive said over our many discussions on this topic If you think I regard believe/belief/faith/trust as a mere acknowledgment alone. A belief is shown by a action or manifests itself. That is a faith that works, the actions show your faith/belief is true. This does not mean your works/actionsactions are what save you(you cannot establish your own righteousness), they show you are saved!. Believing you are already saved is the point of conception. This is why Paul say's work out your salvation, be wise how you act out and live your life as a Chrsitian. A "complete" faith before man as James say's. Your faith was complete before God at its conception. Before works/actions. Your highlighted words show my point quite clearly when you read Pauls elaboration on those words. What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter?If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God.What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:“Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them.” - Romans 4:1-8 Abraham's faith was complete before man!, God credited him righteous at the conception of his belief. So many verses support this. Eph 2:8-10 Titus 3:5 Rom 3:23-24 Rom 4:25 Rom 5:8-9 Rom 11:6 Acts 5;10-11 Mat 5:20 John 6:28-29 You play no role in your Justification. Now for your questions. 1 Follow Jesus's teachings, It is the best way to live your life. 2 By learning and teaching the yoke of Jesus. Chuck my dear friend. There were two reasons why I did not put too much credence on what you present. 1) Your past hesitancy over publicly declaring your rice eating habits. Thankfully that matter has now been resolved and thus removing one of the reasons. 2) Your insistence of putting full importance on portions of scripture which supports your mindset whilst at the same time ignoring those portions of scripture which are clearly at variance with your views. That's all fine but let's just call it for what it is....bias! It is like saying that everything the left hand does is important but whatever the right hand does should be ignored. The reality of scripture is that it is unwise to take one, or a series of scriptural references and build a case on them whilst ignoring those that say something very different. Scripture has to be taken as a whole. We have to reconcile the varying passages if we are to close in on the truth. Here is an example of what I mean. If we 'select' certain passages of scripture to suit our argument we can put forward good cases individually for each of: 1) We are saved by faith 2) We are saved by grace 3) We are saved by belief 4) We are saved by works 5) We are saved by the blood of Christ 6) We are saved by mercy 7) We are saved by Uncle Tom Cobley and all However, that would be wrong! The real truth of the matter is that not one or two or three of the above (others will be able to think of more) save us on their own. They must be viewed collectively not in their individual context. To do this, 'INSTANTLY' removes all the grace v works v faith v blood etc arguments. Each must be understood within the contextual importance they have, for without them there is no salvation, BUT they must each be seen as PART of a collective whole which is the path of salvation. Bias for suggesting you can lay no claim to what the finished work of Christ has already done, call me what you want, it does not change that fact or the completness of reconciliation through Christ. The mear fact you suggest I am bias denies the completness of the finished work of our risen redeemer. Your 7 points collectively show you think Christ's work is incomplete and you need to boast you had a part in earning or making yourself right before God. No portion of scripture suggests you can boast in obtaining your own righteousness before God so Im unsure what I can be biased about in this regard. Anywhere you think scripture suggest "you" can earn or have a part in earning right standing before God by enduring or striving ect shows complete disregard and understanding for whoever the intended portion of scripture was written to or about. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't written to you, the priviliged 21st century westerner. Easiest way to ruin the bible is to read it statically.
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Post by chuck on Apr 26, 2020 0:48:37 GMT -5
Paul said 'I die daily' in reference to his following Christ. No effort, no sacrifice....nothing? If a person dies daily they can offer no more sacrifice. They have sacrificed what is required! Rather than the sacrificial system having been done away with, it has been increased to demanding a lifetime of service. This reminds me of what Jesus said: Luke 9:23 Then he said to the crowd, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must give up your own way, take up your cross daily, and follow me. 24 If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake, you will save it. 25 And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but are yourself lost or destroyed? Like I said to mountain. Don't read it statically.
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Post by mountain on Apr 26, 2020 4:37:06 GMT -5
Chuck my dear friend. There were two reasons why I did not put too much credence on what you present. 1) Your past hesitancy over publicly declaring your rice eating habits. Thankfully that matter has now been resolved and thus removing one of the reasons. 2) Your insistence of putting full importance on portions of scripture which supports your mindset whilst at the same time ignoring those portions of scripture which are clearly at variance with your views. That's all fine but let's just call it for what it is....bias! It is like saying that everything the left hand does is important but whatever the right hand does should be ignored. The reality of scripture is that it is unwise to take one, or a series of scriptural references and build a case on them whilst ignoring those that say something very different. Scripture has to be taken as a whole. We have to reconcile the varying passages if we are to close in on the truth. Here is an example of what I mean. If we 'select' certain passages of scripture to suit our argument we can put forward good cases individually for each of: 1) We are saved by faith 2) We are saved by grace 3) We are saved by belief 4) We are saved by works 5) We are saved by the blood of Christ 6) We are saved by mercy 7) We are saved by Uncle Tom Cobley and all However, that would be wrong! The real truth of the matter is that not one or two or three of the above (others will be able to think of more) save us on their own. They must be viewed collectively not in their individual context. To do this, 'INSTANTLY' removes all the grace v works v faith v blood etc arguments. Each must be understood within the contextual importance they have, for without them there is no salvation, BUT they must each be seen as PART of a collective whole which is the path of salvation. Bias for suggesting you can lay no claim to what the finished work of Christ has already done, call me what you want, it does not change that fact or the completness of reconciliation through Christ. The mear fact you suggest I am bias denies the completness of the finished work of our risen redeemer. Your 7 points collectively show you think Christ's work is incomplete and you need to boast you had a part in earning or making yourself right before God. No portion of scripture suggests you can boast in obtaining your own righteousness before God so Im unsure what I can be biased about in this regard. Anywhere you think scripture suggest "you" can earn or have a part in earning right standing before God by enduring or striving ect shows complete disregard and understanding for whoever the intended portion of scripture was written to or about. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't written to you, the priviliged 21st century westerner. Easiest way to ruin the bible is to read it statically. Chuck, you put a lot of emphasis on what you call the 'finished work of Christ' Can you explain what you understand the 'work' of Christ to be? I believe in focussing on and following thw 'work' of Christ. When Jesus said , just before he died on the cross...'it is finsished' he was meaning that he had completed ALL that his Heavenly Father had commanded him to do. Have you approached Virgs about all this?
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Post by chuck on Apr 26, 2020 5:18:27 GMT -5
Bias for suggesting you can lay no claim to what the finished work of Christ has already done, call me what you want, it does not change that fact or the completness of reconciliation through Christ. The mear fact you suggest I am bias denies the completness of the finished work of our risen redeemer. Your 7 points collectively show you think Christ's work is incomplete and you need to boast you had a part in earning or making yourself right before God. No portion of scripture suggests you can boast in obtaining your own righteousness before God so Im unsure what I can be biased about in this regard. Anywhere you think scripture suggest "you" can earn or have a part in earning right standing before God by enduring or striving ect shows complete disregard and understanding for whoever the intended portion of scripture was written to or about. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't written to you, the priviliged 21st century westerner. Easiest way to ruin the bible is to read it statically. Chuck, you put a lot of emphasis on what you call the 'finished work of Christ' Can you explain what you understand the 'work' of Christ to be? I believe in focussing on and following thw 'work' of Christ. When Jesus said , just before he died on the cross...'it is finsished' he was meaning that he had completed ALL that his Heavenly Father had commanded him to do. Have you approached Virgs about all this? I have answered this. Go back and look. I would suggest however you are being ignorant to my argument if you have to ask this again. Why do you want the priest(Christ) to stand back up?.
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Post by mountain on Apr 26, 2020 5:41:07 GMT -5
Chuck, you put a lot of emphasis on what you call the 'finished work of Christ' Can you explain what you understand the 'work' of Christ to be? I believe in focussing on and following thw 'work' of Christ. When Jesus said , just before he died on the cross...'it is finsished' he was meaning that he had completed ALL that his Heavenly Father had commanded him to do. Have you approached Virgs about all this? I have answered this. Go back and look. I would suggest however you are being ignorant to my argument if you have to ask this again. This cuts both ways. Finishing a job isn't the job itself. It is the end of it. Can't do any more. Completed the contract. It's a simple as that. Are you pleased that the job is finished or are you pleased with the work done?
Why do you want the priest(Christ) to stand back up?. I concede to being ignorant about what is actually being asked here? I do occasionally eat rice. I have no hesitation in answering that question.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 26, 2020 6:41:55 GMT -5
I just wish people would drop that "Worldly" tag invented by those early 2x2 Workers. It was discriminatory which is against all Christian principles. I think why I am so sensitive about it is because my Mother developed blood poisoning after I was born. For the first 12 months of my life I was cared for by her younger Sister, my Aunty. She was my first Mum, and yet as I was growing up we had little contact with her or the family because they were "Worldly" So it does make me cranky when I see that term used. Another one of the many mistakes made by those early Workers. i don't think those workers coined the term "worldly"...just sayin' Maybe didn't "coin" the word "worldly" but they sure did use it to the fullest capacity possible!
Interestingly, -I decided to check the definition worldly
worldly
ADJECTIVE
(of a person) experienced and sophisticated.
sophisticated · experienced · worldly-wise · knowledgeable · knowing · of or concerned with material values or ordinary life rather than a spiritual existence.
synonyms:
earthly · terrestrial · temporal · mundane · mortal · human · nonspiritual ·
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Post by chuck on Apr 26, 2020 8:31:07 GMT -5
I have answered this. Go back and look. I would suggest however you are being ignorant to my argument if you have to ask this again. This cuts both ways. Finishing a job isn't the job itself. It is the end of it. Can't do any more. Completed the contract. It's a simple as that. Are you pleased that the job is finished or are you pleased with the work done?
Why do you want the priest(Christ) to stand back up?. I concede to being ignorant about what is actually being asked here? I do occasionally eat rice. I have no hesitation in answering that question.
Sure it cuts both ways, but you either are deliberatly ignorant of what I'm saying or you really cannot graps what I am saying, I on the other hand know exactly what you are saying and I dont buy it for the countless reason I have already provided. I know exactly where your coming from as I used to think the exact same thing. Your whole reply sums it up. You still cannot grasp the concept of the finished work of Christ by your first paragraph, and your second shows why. Because you have never looked into or listened to anything I have said previously. This does not automatically make what I have said true/correct/false, but you've never looked so how would you really know? you are just doubling down, singing louder ect because you cannot see how it could be any other way. Day of atonement. Yom Kippur. Explains exactly what I am saying.
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Post by fixit on Apr 26, 2020 15:22:14 GMT -5
This reminds me of what Jesus said: Luke 9:23 Then he said to the crowd, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must give up your own way, take up your cross daily, and follow me. 24 If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake, you will save it. 25 And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but are yourself lost or destroyed? Like I said to mountain. Don't read it statically. Can you explain what you think Jesus was meaning when he said this? Luke 9:23 Then he said to the crowd, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must give up your own way, take up your cross daily, and follow me. 24 If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake, you will save it. 25 And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but are yourself lost or destroyed?
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Post by mountain on Apr 27, 2020 5:46:33 GMT -5
Sure it cuts both ways, but you either are deliberatly ignorant of what I'm saying or you really cannot graps what I am saying, I on the other hand know exactly what you are saying and I dont buy it for the countless reason I have already provided. I know exactly where your coming from as I used to think the exact same thing. Your whole reply sums it up. You still cannot grasp the concept of the finished work of Christ by your first paragraph, and your second shows why. Because you have never looked into or listened to anything I have said previously. This does not automatically make what I have said true/correct/false, but you've never looked so how would you really know? you are just doubling down, singing louder ect because you cannot see how it could be any other way. Day of atonement. Yom Kippur. Explains exactly what I am saying. Actually I do understand what you are saying, but I don't buy into it. It is obvious that finish of something is the end of it, not it's all or everything. It is completion. Here is what Jesus was referring to when he said 'It is finished!' John 17 kjv 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.[/font] 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. 11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 [b ]As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.[/b] [/font] 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
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Post by shushy on Apr 29, 2020 8:03:42 GMT -5
Nope no vaccine for me
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Post by chuck on Apr 30, 2020 8:45:05 GMT -5
Sure it cuts both ways, but you either are deliberatly ignorant of what I'm saying or you really cannot graps what I am saying, I on the other hand know exactly what you are saying and I dont buy it for the countless reason I have already provided. I know exactly where your coming from as I used to think the exact same thing. Your whole reply sums it up. You still cannot grasp the concept of the finished work of Christ by your first paragraph, and your second shows why. Because you have never looked into or listened to anything I have said previously. This does not automatically make what I have said true/correct/false, but you've never looked so how would you really know? you are just doubling down, singing louder ect because you cannot see how it could be any other way. Day of atonement. Yom Kippur. Explains exactly what I am saying. Actually I do understand what you are saying, but I don't buy into it. It is obvious that finish of something is the end of it, not it's all or everything. It is completion. Here is what Jesus was referring to when he said 'It is finished!' John 17 kjv 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.[/font] 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. 11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 [b ]As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.[/b] [/font] 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.[/quote] No you don't know what im saying, if you did you would not be asking the questions that you are. It is all and everything. The redemption price has been paid in full. It is Finished, Tetelestai!. No amount of good works will alter this fact. Why do you want the priest to stand up again?.
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Post by chuck on Apr 30, 2020 8:56:40 GMT -5
Like I said to mountain. Don't read it statically. Can you explain what you think Jesus was meaning when he said this? Luke 9:23 Then he said to the crowd, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must give up your own way, take up your cross daily, and follow me. 24 If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake, you will save it. 25 And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but are yourself lost or destroyed? In Chuck lingo. I've saved your sorry behind. Dont let your life stink. Do something useful with it in the Character of Christ!. Stop bringing hell to your situation and bring heaven. Nowhere does it suggest taking up your cross and giving up your life ect is related to 2x2 ritual/performance.
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Post by mountain on Apr 30, 2020 13:07:05 GMT -5
Actually I do understand what you are saying, but I don't buy into it. It is obvious that finish of something is the end of it, not it's all or everything. It is completion. Here is what Jesus was referring to when he said 'It is finished!' John 17 kjv 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.[/font] 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. 11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 [b ]As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.[/b] [/font] 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.[/quote] No you don't know what im saying, if you did you would not be asking the questions that you are. It is all and everything. The redemption price has been paid in full. It is Finished, Tetelestai!. No amount of good works will alter this fact. Why do you want the priest to stand up again?. [/quote] I do know what you are saying but I believe you are wrong. The redemption price was paid for our sins. Without this we could not be saved no matter how closely we follow Jesus on account of unatoned for sin. We have to follow Jesus in the way, truth and life which leads to the Father. Why do you crave avoidance of 'doing?'
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Post by openingact34 on May 1, 2020 21:00:36 GMT -5
Pretty stunning survey numbers so far!
Only 13% of professing people will refuse vaccination. Potentially 40% of people in false churches will refuse vaccination!!!
So far my theories are playing out...LOTS of Christians will refuse to be vaccinated, and 2x2s will be smarter than the worldlings.
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Post by openingact34 on May 8, 2020 17:25:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 18:49:15 GMT -5
I'm not worried about non-believers. They will be the ones developing the vaccine and trying to save others. But social media is exploding with Christians posting about how the COVID vaccine will be or be linked to the Mark of the Beast. Just do a search on Youtube: www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vaccine+mark+of+the+beast&sp=EgIIAw%253D%253D I think vast numbers of Christians will refuse vaccination. I do think the professing people will be smarter about vaccination than the worldlings. Whats to connection between the "mark" and "covid-19 vaccine"?. If someone, a Christian for example, wanted to make such a connection, it could easily (and probably is already being) done. The marker would be the antibodies created by the unnatural, man made, therefor worldly vaccine. Examples of religious types refusing "unnatural" helps is wide and deep, and where that line is varies by individual.
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Post by snow on May 8, 2020 19:35:53 GMT -5
Well that leaves more for the rest of us.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 8, 2020 20:25:08 GMT -5
And they will expect the rest of us to tolerate them walking among us.
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Post by iam on May 8, 2020 20:40:28 GMT -5
And they will expect the rest of us to tolerate them walking among us. I’m a hermit
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Post by fixit on May 8, 2020 21:11:37 GMT -5
And they will expect the rest of us to tolerate them walking among us. They will, but why should you? I would like anti-vax people to explain how they would have exterminated smallpox.
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Post by fixit on May 8, 2020 21:14:47 GMT -5
And they will expect the rest of us to tolerate them walking among us. I’m a hermit In an ideal world, people should have the right to refuse vaccination. In the real world, how could you be sure "hermits" never contacted anyone else?
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Post by iam on May 8, 2020 21:16:41 GMT -5
In an ideal world, people should have the right to refuse vaccination. In the real world, how could you be sure "hermits" never contacted anyone else? You can’t. But if everyone else is taking the vaccine, they wouldn’t need to worry.
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Post by fixit on May 8, 2020 21:18:47 GMT -5
Excuse my ignorance - what’s the mark of the beast mean for you ? Alvin could be anything really that marks you or gets inserted into you...I.E a chip in your hand for whatever purpose... It would be nothing to do with the beast. It would be the mark of common sense.
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Post by fixit on May 8, 2020 21:21:41 GMT -5
In an ideal world, people should have the right to refuse vaccination. In the real world, how could you be sure "hermits" never contacted anyone else? You can’t. But if everyone else is taking the vaccine, they wouldn’t need to worry. That seems selfish. What about babies or people with health conditions that prevent them from taking the vaccine to protect themselves?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 21:23:00 GMT -5
could be anything really that marks you or gets inserted into you...I.E a chip in your hand for whatever purpose... It would be nothing to do with the beast. It would be the mark of common sense. you do that then but don't cry when you find out it was the wrong choice...God is watching....
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Post by iam on May 8, 2020 21:56:43 GMT -5
You can’t. But if everyone else is taking the vaccine, they wouldn’t need to worry. That seems selfish. What about babies or people with health conditions that prevent them from taking the vaccine to protect themselves? Would be nice to escape the selfishness of this life. Isaiah 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. I’m still here. Not righteous and merciful enough I guess.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on May 9, 2020 1:00:21 GMT -5
Pretty stunning survey numbers so far! Only 13% of professing people will refuse vaccination. Potentially 40% of people in false churches will refuse vaccination!!! So far my theories are playing out...LOTS of Christians will refuse to be vaccinated, and 2x2s will be smarter than the worldlings. Interesting stuff. Bring on the vaccine - I am very thankful to be living in the time of vaccines. Lord, save me from all the conspiracy theorists. Just for the record - I don't know of anyone in my own church who would refuse the vaccine (Australia). Then again, we do have a lot of doctors and scientists in my congregation.
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Post by nathan on May 9, 2020 1:21:54 GMT -5
Pretty stunning survey numbers so far! Only 13% of professing people will refuse vaccination. Potentially 40% of people in false churches will refuse vaccination!!! So far my theories are playing out...LOTS of Christians will refuse to be vaccinated, and 2x2s will be smarter than the worldlings. Interesting stuff. Bring on the vaccine - I am very thankful to be living in the time of vaccines. Lord, save me from all the conspiracy theorists. Just for the record - I don't know of anyone in my own church who would refuse the vaccine (Australia). Then again, we do have a lot of doctors and scientists in my congregation. Does any KNOW what they put in the Vaccines? The Vaccines can weaken and destroy your immune body system and most people don't know it. When your immune system is weaken any strong Virus can kills us.
The beast/ Illuminati gov't (Satan's children/seed) has gotten most of us under their system! They control and tell us to obey them or die. Damn if you don't and damn if you do... NO, matter what you are deciding we're still going to die soon or later, they will get us one way or another.
Christ in YOU is the HOPE of glory!
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