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Post by chuck on Apr 11, 2020 22:03:53 GMT -5
Own it wally. You have said it yourself. You try to scoff and brush it aside but it's not going anywhere. every church has "born again folks/professing" every church has "baptism" nowhere have i ever said that that was the mark of the beast...nice try though... We've been over this wally. All Ritual!. Makes zero difference. This however doesn't mean ritual is a bad thing. I didn't say you did call it the mark of the beast. But you do say ritual is essential which is what I was eluding to.
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Post by nathan on Apr 11, 2020 22:06:42 GMT -5
wow thats as lame an explanation as i have ever heard.... Wally, he is partly right... John the apostle described The beast in Rev. the beast or number 666= government number of man, was referring to Nero the Emperor who was the first Roman Emperor to persecute the Christians, then he beheaded Paul and crucified Peter around 68 A.D.
From history book:
The Historical Background of the book Revelation: The visions John saw while he was a prisoner on the island of Patmos. Christ gave John visions and the book was written, in the ghastly light of burning Martyrs. The church was 66 years old. It had grown enormously. It had suffered, and was suffering terrific persecutions. Emperor Nero in A.D 64-67 instigated the first imperial persecution of Christians, 30 years before this book was written. In that persecution many Christians were crucified, thrown to wild beasts, or wrapped in combustible garments and burned to death while Nero laughed at the pitiful shrieks of burning men and women. Paul and Peter suffered martyrdom in Nero's persecution.
The second imperial persecution was under Emperor Domitian (A.D. 95). It was short but extremely severe. More than 40,000 Christians were tortured and killed. It was during this period of persecution in which John was banished to Patmos. The third imperial persecution was that of Trajan and was soon to begin (A.D. 98). John had lived through the first two and was now about to enter the third of Rome's efforts to blot out Christian faith. Those were the dark days for the Church. Still, darker days were coming. But, persecution was NOT the only problem. The church itself, from within, was beginning to show signs of Corruption and Apostasy.
After the death of Nero, many Romans Emperors of Rome continued to persecute/stamped out the Christians for the next 300 years against the Christians. Then in 300 A.D. the Emperor Constantine became so-called Christians so, the persecution against the Christians stop for a short period. In the 4th century after Constantine died He gave all the power and authority to the Bishops in Rome to RULE with the Iron fists... then the persecution against the true Christians, and others faith such as the Muslims and so on for the next 1500 years.
The beast= MANY anti-Christ governments such as kings and rulers throughout Europe during the Dark Ages (11th century onward) and the RCC church have joined force with the Protestants denominations in the 15th century to persecute the TRUE church of God for centuries to the time of Jesus returns to set up His Eternal kingdom on earth to subdue all of His enemies.
Chuck said: You need a mark to buy and sell and acknowledge Domitian is lord and god.
The beast was a roman emperor who insisted he was lord and God. You needed the mark to trade in the agora(market place) and to acknowledge the diety of the emperor.
2x2ism, you need something or a mark(professing,baptism) to participate in fellowship and acknowledge the existence and diety of the 2x2 god.
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Post by chuck on Apr 11, 2020 22:27:41 GMT -5
Wally, he is partly right... John the apostle described The beast in Rev. the beast or number 666= government number of man, was referring to Nero the Emperor who was the first Roman Emperor to persecute the Christians, then he beheaded Paul and crucified Peter around 68 A.D.
From history book:
The Historical Background of the book Revelation: The visions John saw while he was a prisoner on the island of Patmos. Christ gave John visions and the book was written, in the ghastly light of burning Martyrs. The church was 66 years old. It had grown enormously. It had suffered, and was suffering terrific persecutions. Emperor Nero in A.D 64-67 instigated the first imperial persecution of Christians, 30 years before this book was written. In that persecution many Christians were crucified, thrown to wild beasts, or wrapped in combustible garments and burned to death while Nero laughed at the pitiful shrieks of burning men and women. Paul and Peter suffered martyrdom in Nero's persecution.
The second imperial persecution was under Emperor Domitian (A.D. 95). It was short but extremely severe. More than 40,000 Christians were tortured and killed. It was during this period of persecution in which John was banished to Patmos. The third imperial persecution was that of Trajan and was soon to begin (A.D. 98). John had lived through the first two and was now about to enter the third of Rome's efforts to blot out Christian faith. Those were the dark days for the Church. Still, darker days were coming. But, persecution was NOT the only problem. The church itself, from within, was beginning to show signs of Corruption and Apostasy.
After the death of Nero, many Romans Emperors of Rome continued to persecute/stamped out the Christians for the next 300 years against the Christians. Then in 300 A.D. the Emperor Constantine became so-called Christians so, the persecution against the Christians stop for a short period. In the 4th century after Constantine died He gave all the power and authority to the Bishops in Rome to RULE with the Iron fists... then the persecution against the true Christians, and others faith such as the Muslims and so on for the next 1500 years.
The beast= MANY anti-Christ governments such as kings and rulers throughout Europe during the Dark Ages (11th century onward) and the RCC church have joined force with the Protestants denominations in the 15th century to persecute the TRUE church of God for centuries to the time of Jesus returns to set up His Eternal kingdom on earth to subdue all of His enemies.
Chuck said: You need a mark to buy and sell and acknowledge Domitian is lord and god.
The beast was a roman emperor who insisted he was lord and God. You needed the mark to trade in the agora(market place) and to acknowledge the diety of the emperor.
2x2ism, you need something or a mark(professing,baptism) to participate in fellowship and acknowledge the existence and diety of the 2x2 god. Are you saying one does not need to professor be baptized to participate/partake in fellowship and emblems?.
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Post by nathan on Apr 11, 2020 22:43:29 GMT -5
Are you saying one does not need to professor be baptized to participate/partake in fellowship and emblems?. No, I did not say that... When I was a RCC and a Pentecostal church member, they ONLY want the members in their fellowship to partake the emblems only sometimes they allow others yet to be members to partake for a short time....
You wrote: 2x2ism, you need something or a mark (professing, baptism) to participate in fellowship and acknowledge the existence and diety of the 2x2 god.
professing and emblems are not mark of the beast... It were traditions that early Christians kept and it has passed down for centuries.
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Post by chuck on Apr 11, 2020 22:51:54 GMT -5
Are you saying one does not need to professor be baptized to participate/partake in fellowship and emblems?. No, I did not say that... When I was a RCC and a Pentecostal church member, they ONLY want the members in their fellowship to partake the emblems only sometimes they allow others yet to be members to partake for a short time....
You wrote: 2x2ism, you need something or a mark (professing, baptism) to participate in fellowship and acknowledge the existence and diety of the 2x2 god.
professing and emblems are not mark of the beast... It were traditions that early Christians kept and it has passed down for centuries.
I said it was a parallel. You have said nothing to prove otherwise. Edit: you have infact enforced what I said.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 0:08:59 GMT -5
every church has "born again folks/professing" every church has "baptism" nowhere have i ever said that that was the mark of the beast...nice try though... We've been over this wally. All Ritual!. Makes zero difference. This however doesn't mean ritual is a bad thing. I didn't say you did call it the mark of the beast. But you do say ritual is essential which is what I was eluding to. regardless saying baptism and professing/being born again is the mark of the beast is crap ideology and reminds me of the JW's again...at least your true to form JW....
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Post by nathan on Apr 12, 2020 0:40:47 GMT -5
No, I did not say that... When I was a RCC and a Pentecostal church member, they ONLY want the members in their fellowship to partake the emblems only sometimes they allow others yet to be members to partake for a short time....
You wrote: 2x2ism, you need something or a mark (professing, baptism) to participate in fellowship and acknowledge the existence and diety of the 2x2 god.
professing and emblems are not mark of the beast... It were traditions that early Christians kept and it has passed down for centuries.
I said it was a parallel. You have said nothing to prove otherwise. Edit: you have infact enforced what I said. They are NOT the same.... just saying... God's people or the True Bride of Christ refuse to have the mark of the beast/666 number of man false Christianity on their forehead/minds or bow down to worship false Jesus Christ but they have the minds of Christ that is number 7 perfection, to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.
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Post by Grant on Apr 12, 2020 4:21:22 GMT -5
Are you saying one does not need to professor be baptized to participate/partake in fellowship and emblems?. No, I did not say that... When I was a RCC and a Pentecostal church member, they ONLY want the members in their fellowship to partake the emblems only sometimes they allow others yet to be members to partake for a short time....
You wrote: 2x2ism, you need something or a mark (professing, baptism) to participate in fellowship and acknowledge the existence and diety of the 2x2 god.
professing and emblems are not mark of the beast... It were traditions that early Christians kept and it has passed down for centuries.
I've never heard of the Pentecostal or Baptist church for that matter which I have attended say you have to be member of their church to partake of the emblems. It's always if you believe Jesus life, death and resurrection or words to that effect, you are welcome to partake. I have never been in a Pentecostal church which requires membership either. It is a bit hard to keep track of the thousands of members which many Pentecostal churches have these days anyway but even smaller Pentecostal churches didn't. I understand that you attended a Pentecostal church for one year at the age of 17, Nathan.
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Post by nathan on Apr 12, 2020 4:44:24 GMT -5
No, I did not say that... When I was a RCC and a Pentecostal church member, they ONLY want the members in their fellowship to partake the emblems only sometimes they allow others yet to be members to partake for a short time....
You wrote: 2x2ism, you need something or a mark (professing, baptism) to participate in fellowship and acknowledge the existence and diety of the 2x2 god.
professing and emblems are not mark of the beast... It were traditions that early Christians kept and it has passed down for centuries.
I've never heard of the Pentecostal or Baptist church for that matter which I have attended say you have to be member of their church to partake of the emblems. It's always if you believe Jesus life, death and resurrection or words to that effect, you are welcome to partake. I have never been in a Pentecostal church which requires membership either. It is a bit hard to keep track of the thousands of members which many Pentecostal churches have these days anyway but even smaller Pentecostal churches didn't. I understand that you attended a Pentecostal church for one year at the age of 17, Nathan. Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship, members of those churches with whom we are not yet fully united are ordinarily not admitted to holy Communion. Eucharistic sharing in exceptional circumstances by other Christians requires permission according to the directives of the diocesan bishop and the provisions of canon law (canon 844 §4) [Guidelines]. The Protestants have their own rules... some allow other denominations believers to partake the emblems and others do NOT.
The 2x2s believe mostly ONLY believers in Christ of the ONENESS of faith, worship and believe in the life of Jesus Christ to partake the Eucharists/emblems... Just like when Jesus instituted the New Testament Passover and was given to the apostles/his own followers who adhere to His teachings and belief and the non-believers were NOT invited.
I know some cases special like myself, who was NOT professing, yet and my brother and I were invited to the Sunday morning and we partook the emblems and the workers didn't say anything... The workers knew we already made the choice to follow Jesus in our hearts already, just matter of time when they tested the meetings my brother and I stood up and we have continued to partake the emblems after that...
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Post by snow on Apr 12, 2020 19:11:27 GMT -5
Well this thread is a prime example of how religious belief can be deadly.
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Post by chuck on Apr 12, 2020 19:13:25 GMT -5
We've been over this wally. All Ritual!. Makes zero difference. This however doesn't mean ritual is a bad thing. I didn't say you did call it the mark of the beast. But you do say ritual is essential which is what I was eluding to. regardless saying baptism and professing/being born again is the mark of the beast is crap ideology and reminds me of the JW's again...at least your true to form JW.... Parallel wally, parallel. The parallel is undeniable. 2x2ism is it's own god.
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Post by chuck on Apr 12, 2020 19:19:55 GMT -5
I said it was a parallel. You have said nothing to prove otherwise. Edit: you have infact enforced what I said. They are NOT the same.... just saying... God's people or the True Bride of Christ refuse to have the mark of the beast/666 number of man false Christianity on their forehead/minds or bow down to worship false Jesus Christ but they have the minds of Christ that is number 7 perfection, to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.
No idea of the level of opression concerning the mark and revelation. True 2x2 form. The finished work of Christ would have covered a person with the mark if they recieved it Nathan. The power of the blood covers ALL sin.
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Post by nathan on Apr 12, 2020 20:01:35 GMT -5
They are NOT the same.... just saying... God's people or the True Bride of Christ refuse to have the mark of the beast/666 number of man false Christianity on their forehead/minds or bow down to worship false Jesus Christ but they have the minds of Christ that is number 7 perfection, to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.
No idea of the level of opression concerning the mark and revelation. True 2x2 form. The finished work of Christ would have covered a person with the mark if they recieved it Nathan. The power of the blood covers ALL sin. Those who receive the Mark of the beast are those who REJECT the TRUE gospel of Jesus Christ Truth and Way, whose blood covers their/our sins through the centuries. John the apostle wrote this in I John 1:1-7. That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
John the apostle wrote in Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
~~ Those who receive the mark of the beast, believe they are worshipping God but they are worshipping Satan, who deceiveth them through his false preachers/prophets gospels and. Paul wrote about this in II Thes. 2: 3-4; 9-12 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 20:05:29 GMT -5
They are NOT the same.... just saying... God's people or the True Bride of Christ refuse to have the mark of the beast/666 number of man false Christianity on their forehead/minds or bow down to worship false Jesus Christ but they have the minds of Christ that is number 7 perfection, to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.
The finished work of Christ would have covered a person with the mark if they recieved it Nathan. The power of the blood covers ALL sin. thats not what the bible says....
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Post by nathan on Apr 12, 2020 20:18:14 GMT -5
The finished work of Christ would have covered a person with the mark if they recieved it Nathan. The power of the blood covers ALL sin. thats not what the bible says.... Amen, wally... The blood of Jesus covers the sins those who heard and believed in the TRUE gospel of Christ. Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23 " Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Jesus said in Matt. 7:13-16 3 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Chuck, you sent people in the wrong direction... you're pointing and sending people to follow the WIDE gate and BROAD is the Way that leads to destruction..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 20:24:00 GMT -5
thats not what the bible says.... Amen, wally... The blood of Jesus covers the sins those who heard and believed in the TRUE gospel of Christ. Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23 " Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Jesus said in Matt. 7:13-16 3 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Chuck, you send people in the wrong direction... you send them to the WIDE gate and BROAD is the Way that leads to destruction..
good verse but i was thinking of this verse: Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. in this case taking the mark is a one way trip to you know where....Christ blood wont be saving you from doing that...
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Post by nathan on Apr 12, 2020 20:35:00 GMT -5
Amen, wally... The blood of Jesus covers the sins those who heard and believed in the TRUE gospel of Christ. Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23 " Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Jesus said in Matt. 7:13-16 3 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Chuck, you send people in the wrong direction... you send them to the WIDE gate and BROAD is the Way that leads to destruction..
good verse but i was thinking of this verse: Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. in this case taking the mark is a one way trip to you know where....Christ blood wont be saving you from doing that... People need to read and study Rev. chapters 17-18 of this WIDE gate and broad is the WAY where billions believers go in to worship the beast/Satan and NOT God... John gave us many hints who they are... The mark of the beast... What and where is the Babylon that the beast is ruling most of the believers on earth.
For more than a thousand year, Believing Christians have identified Rome with the Harlot of Revelation 17.
~~ At the end of the 9th Century, "Tergadus, Bishop of Treas", called the Pope antichrist, yea, a Wolf and Rome, Babylon (Martyrs Mirror, 5th English edition. Page 240).
~~ In the 10th Century, Arnulphus, Bishop of Orleans, called the Pope Antichrist, in a full council at Rheims (Peter Allix, The Ecclesiastical History of the Ancient Churches of Piedmont, 1821, Page 229).
~~ In the 11th Century, Berenger of Tours denounced Rome's dogmas and maintained that the Roman Church was the Seed of Satan (George Faber, the History of Ancient Vallense and Albigenses, 1838, Page 159). The Waldensians, throughout their long history, identifies the Pope as the Antichrist. The Waldenses treatise titled the Noble Lesson dated 1100 A.D. state: "Antichrist, the predicted murderer of Saints, hath already appear in his True Character, seated monarchally in the Seven-hilled City."
~~ In 1160 A.D. A Treatise Concerning Antichrist identified the Pope of Rome as the Antichrist. George Faber identifies this as a production of Peter Waldo the Apostle (George Faber, page 379-384).
~~ In 1206, at the conference of Montreal, the Albigenses made the following confession: "That the church of Rome was not the Spouse of Christ, but the Church of confusion, Drunk with the Blood of the Martyrs. That the polity of the Church of Rome was neither Good or Holy, nor Established by Jesus Christ." (Peter Allix, The Ecclesiastical History of the Ancient Churches of Albigenses, 1821 edition, first published in 1692, Page 178).
The Bohemians, a Colony of Waldenses in Bohemia, held the following beliefs, according to the Roman Inquisitor. This Description from the 13th Century: "The first error, saith he, is that the Church of Rome is not the Church of Jesus Christ, but an assembly of Wicked men, and the lady that sits upon the Beast in the Revelation. They declared the Pope to be the head and ringleader of all Errors. (Allix, Ancient Churches of Piedmont, Page 242-259)".
~~ The Lollards of the 14th and 15th Centuries maintained "That the Church of Rome Was Not the Church of Christ, but infidel heathens; and they despised all ecclesiastical laws, together with all the Bishops and Ministers of the Church" (Allix, Ancient Churches of the Aligenses, Page 230).
The Petrobusians Judged the Pope to be the Antichrist (Allix, Ancient Churches of the Albigense, Page 142). Throughout the Reformation era, Rome was considered the Mother of Harlots. ~~ On September 9, 1560, The Apostle Jean Louis Paschale of Calabria, just before he was burned Alive in the presence of Pope Pius IV in Rome, turned to the Pope, and "arraigned him as the Enemy of Christ, the Persecutor of his People, and the Anti-Christ of Scripture, and concluded by summoning him and all his Cardinals to answer for their Cruelties and Murders before the Throne of the Lamb." (J.A. Wylie, History of the Waldenses, 1860, Page 120).
ALL of the Reformation leaders considered the Pope Antichrist, including Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Huss; their successors ~~ in the 16th, 17th, 18th, and 19th Centuries persisted in this. The Bible translator William Tyndale identified the Pope as the Antichrist in his The Practice of Prelates and in the preface to the 1534 edition of his New Testament contained dramatic woodcutting portraying the Scarlet Woman of Revelation 17, plainly identifying the Roman Catholic Church with this Religious Apostate System.
~~ In his work 1893 work titled Union with Rome, Bishop Christopher Wordworth of the Church of England stated the view which prevailed among Protestants at that time "We tremble at the sight, while we read the inscription, Emblazoned in large letter, " Mystery, Babylon the Great " written by John the Apostles in 95 A.D. He was guided by the Holy Spirit of God, on the Forehead of the Church of Rome."
We believe the Roman Catholic Church is the Partial fulfillment of the prophecy in Revelation 17 of a One-World religious Harlot. This is not to say that Revelation 17 is entirely fulfilled by Roman Catholicism. This prophecy will not be completed until the reign of the Antichrist just prior to the Coming of the Lord, and Rome will be joined by a conglomeration of others apostate churches and organizations, the end result, no doubt, of the present Ecumenical movement.
The Roman Catholic Church was infiltrated by the false teachings and unscriptural practices of the Charismatic Movement in the early 1960's. Its influence within Roman Catholicism is growing rapidly. Once this movement became entrenched in the Roman Catholic Church, the Catholic leaders were quick to see that would be to their advantage to encourage these teachings rather than to oppose them. They discovered that they could use the Charismatic doctrines and practices build the Roman Catholic Church by such practices a logical and needed "renewal movement within the Church."
Many people are attracted to the displays of healings, miracles, and others supposed demonstration of Holy Spirit Presence and Power, not realizing that if this were a true ministry of the Holy Spirit it would lead them to a reorganization and repudiation of the false teachings of Roman Catholicism. The Charismatic Movement, both within and outside of the Roman Catholic Church is not a Movement of the Holy Spirit, but a false spirit.
~~ When Billy Graham began his ministry 40 years ago, he recognized Roman Catholicism as a false religion and Warned against it. Then, as Graham's crowds and popularity grew, Warnings about Roman Catholicism Ceased and those who made professions of faith in his crusades were Sent Back into the Roman Catholic Church. Later, Graham accepted Roman Catholics as counselors if they took his prescribed training course. Still later, Roman Catholic priests, bishops, and cardinals were included in the Graham Crusade committees, and finally, Graham called Pope John Paul II one of the World's great evangelists.
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Post by chuck on Apr 12, 2020 21:35:26 GMT -5
The finished work of Christ would have covered a person with the mark if they recieved it Nathan. The power of the blood covers ALL sin. thats not what the bible says.... All wally, All!. If you recieve the gift what part of All is not covered?.
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Post by chuck on Apr 12, 2020 21:35:54 GMT -5
thats not what the bible says.... Amen, wally... The blood of Jesus covers the sins those who heard and believed in the TRUE gospel of Christ. Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23 " Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Jesus said in Matt. 7:13-16 3 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Chuck, you sent people in the wrong direction... you're pointing and sending people to follow the WIDE gate and BROAD is the Way that leads to destruction..
All!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 22:16:25 GMT -5
thats not what the bible says.... All wally, All!. If you recieve the gift what part of All is not covered?. read the verse i posted about those who take the mark, there is no covering that with the blood of christ....its all in black and white....
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Post by nathan on Apr 12, 2020 23:01:32 GMT -5
Amen, wally... The blood of Jesus covers the sins those who heard and believed in the TRUE gospel of Christ. Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23 " Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Jesus said in Matt. 7:13-16 3 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Chuck, you sent people in the wrong direction... you're pointing and sending people to follow the WIDE gate and BROAD is the Way that leads to destruction..
All! ALL... That is the gospel according to you Chuck, but NOT according to Jesus Christ gospel. He said MANY shall enter the Wide gate and broad WAY which lead to destruction of their souls but ONLY FEW that find the narrow WAY/eternal life through the centuries...
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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 0:00:50 GMT -5
ALL... That is the gospel according to you Chuck, but NOT according to Jesus Christ gospel. He said MANY shall enter the Wide gate and broad WAY which lead to destruction of their souls but ONLY FEW that find the narrow WAY/eternal life through the centuries...
It seems yourself and wally cannot distinguish between all are saved from sin, the ransom price has been paid!, but not all recieve the gift and use it. All means All.
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Post by nathan on Apr 13, 2020 1:10:29 GMT -5
ALL... That is the gospel according to you Chuck, but NOT according to Jesus Christ gospel. He said MANY shall enter the Wide gate and broad WAY which lead to destruction of their souls but ONLY FEW that find the narrow WAY/eternal life through the centuries...
It seems yourself and wally cannot distinguish between all are saved from sin, the ransom price has been paid!, but not all recieve the gift and use it. All means All. The offer is to ALL or everyone to receive Eternal life but only the FEW who believe or accept the TRUTH gospel of their Salvation Jesus SAVES His WAY and TRUTH. Jesus warned there will be false prophets/preachers preaching false gospel and MANY will deceive by them/receiving the Mark of the beast/666 and NOT the minds or the spirits of Christ.
Jesus said in Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 1:16:30 GMT -5
ALL... That is the gospel according to you Chuck, but NOT according to Jesus Christ gospel. He said MANY shall enter the Wide gate and broad WAY which lead to destruction of their souls but ONLY FEW that find the narrow WAY/eternal life through the centuries...
It seems yourself and wally cannot distinguish between all are saved from sin, the ransom price has been paid!, but not all recieve the gift and use it. All means All. thats not really whats in dispute whats in dispute is you implying someone could take the mark and still be saved which is clearly not biblical...even your JW friends don't say that....nice try though
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 13, 2020 2:49:06 GMT -5
It seems yourself and wally cannot distinguish between all are saved from sin, the ransom price has been paid!, but not all recieve the gift and use it. All means All. thats not really whats in dispute whats in dispute is you implying someone could take the mark and still be saved which is clearly not biblical...even your JW friends don't say that....nice try though Oh, my!
Here we have a pandemic going on and you guys are still squabbling over this?
Are you using a non-existing problem to circumvent being concerned about what is happening in the present?
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Post by mountain on Apr 13, 2020 2:52:56 GMT -5
Well this thread is a prime example of how religious belief can be deadly. Yes, even I am confused. On second thoughts delete the 'even!'
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Post by mountain on Apr 13, 2020 2:55:04 GMT -5
thats not what the bible says.... All wally, All!. If you recieve the gift what part of All is not covered?. Chuck opined earlier: No idea of the level of opression concerning the mark and revelation. True 2x2 form.
The finished work of Christ would have covered a person with the mark if they recieved it Nathan. The power of the blood covers ALL sin.
What was the 'work' of Christ! This needs to be understood before we attempt to interpret the 'finished work of Christ!'
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Post by nathan on Apr 13, 2020 2:55:14 GMT -5
thats not really whats in dispute whats in dispute is you implying someone could take the mark and still be saved which is clearly not biblical...even your JW friends don't say that....nice try though Oh, my!
Here we have a pandemic going on and you guys are still squabbling over this?
Are you using a non-existing problem to circumvent being concerned about what is happening in the present? Haven't you read HOW many threads started on Corona Virus and current situation for 3 months now. We ran out of things to talk about. The mark of the beast is new topic for now.... It's Kind of boring for the non-believers because they don't believe any of it.
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