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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 22:08:54 GMT -5
Put bluntly it isn't God. It's them worshipping what is holy to them(meetings ect). A idol. Their own god(themselves). Have you finally realized that each man's god is made in that mans image? Ive realized this for quite a while. This does not mean God is not true.
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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 22:33:32 GMT -5
Put bluntly it isn't God. It's them worshipping what is holy to them(meetings ect). A idol. Their own god(themselves). Yeah I notice that in everyone regardless of what the do or don’t believe This is because religion insists God "exist's". Been happening for 1000's of years. God is true, but does not "exist". You notice all the debates Atheist vs Christian and its always about the existence of god. The Christian has to account for the existence of a all powerful god that just does not "exist". Why else do atheists ask "were is your god now" amidst covid-19. Everyone is looking for or blindly believing in a existent god and when they realise God does not exist they stop looking for God!. God is all through the covid-19 crisis, nurses, doctors, police, scientist's, people self isolating. God insists. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 Religous nutjobs intent on having meetings is not God. The meeting is their God!. Religous nutjobs thinking they can manipulate God by prayer to save someone is not God, its witchcraft.
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Post by iam on Apr 13, 2020 22:41:36 GMT -5
Yeah I notice that in everyone regardless of what the do or don’t believe This is because religion insists God "exist's". Been happening for 1000's of years. God is true, but does not "exist". You notice all the debates Atheist vs Christian and its always about the existence of god. The Christian has to account for the existence of a all powerful god that just does not "exist". Why else do atheists ask "were is your god now" amidst covid-19. Everyone is looking for or blindly believing in a existent god and when they realise God does not exist they stop looking for God!. God is all through the covid-19 crisis, nurses, doctors, police, scientist's, people self isolating. God insists. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 Religous nutjobs intent on having meetings is not God. The meeting is their God!. Religous nutjobs thinking they can manipulate God by prayer to save someone is not God, its witchcraft. That’s sounds totally crazy but it’s very real and true for you so I respect that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 23:11:47 GMT -5
Yeah I notice that in everyone regardless of what the do or don’t believe This is because religion insists God "exist's". Been happening for 1000's of years. God is true, but does not "exist". You notice all the debates Atheist vs Christian and its always about the existence of god. The Christian has to account for the existence of a all powerful god that just does not "exist". Why else do atheists ask "were is your god now" amidst covid-19. Everyone is looking for or blindly believing in a existent god and when they realise God does not exist they stop looking for God!. God is all through the covid-19 crisis, nurses, doctors, police, scientist's, people self isolating. God insists. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 Religous nutjobs intent on having meetings is not God. The meeting is their God!. Religous nutjobs thinking they can manipulate God by prayer to save someone is not God, its witchcraft. your one confused individual...
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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 23:52:33 GMT -5
This is because religion insists God "exist's". Been happening for 1000's of years. God is true, but does not "exist". You notice all the debates Atheist vs Christian and its always about the existence of god. The Christian has to account for the existence of a all powerful god that just does not "exist". Why else do atheists ask "were is your god now" amidst covid-19. Everyone is looking for or blindly believing in a existent god and when they realise God does not exist they stop looking for God!. God is all through the covid-19 crisis, nurses, doctors, police, scientist's, people self isolating. God insists. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 Religous nutjobs intent on having meetings is not God. The meeting is their God!. Religous nutjobs thinking they can manipulate God by prayer to save someone is not God, its witchcraft. That’s sounds totally crazy but it’s very real and true for you so I respect that. Crazy!, that's what they thought when Nebuchadnezzar went into the temple, and to their dismay he walked out again, with all the funiture!. And here we are today still discussing it and still calling people crazy for suggesting God does not "exist" but is true and "insists!".
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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 23:53:17 GMT -5
This is because religion insists God "exist's". Been happening for 1000's of years. God is true, but does not "exist". You notice all the debates Atheist vs Christian and its always about the existence of god. The Christian has to account for the existence of a all powerful god that just does not "exist". Why else do atheists ask "were is your god now" amidst covid-19. Everyone is looking for or blindly believing in a existent god and when they realise God does not exist they stop looking for God!. God is all through the covid-19 crisis, nurses, doctors, police, scientist's, people self isolating. God insists. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 Religous nutjobs intent on having meetings is not God. The meeting is their God!. Religous nutjobs thinking they can manipulate God by prayer to save someone is not God, its witchcraft. your one confused individual... Say's the man who thinks he can manipulate God.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 23:56:30 GMT -5
your one confused individual... Say's the man who thinks he can manipulate God. hezekiah on his death bed prayed to God for more time. Guess what? God gave him 10-15 more years....did he manipulate God? read your bible....
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 14, 2020 0:54:45 GMT -5
Which one of the thousands of gods are you referring to? As far as I know there is only 1 "insistent" God, all the rest "exist". What do you mean by 1 "insistent" God,?
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Post by iam on Apr 14, 2020 4:01:33 GMT -5
That’s sounds totally crazy but it’s very real and true for you so I respect that. Crazy!, that's what they thought when Nebuchadnezzar went into the temple, and to their dismay he walked out again, with all the funiture!. And here we are today still discussing it and still calling people crazy for suggesting God does not "exist" but is true and "insists!". Chuck you’re the sane one but I will take the sanity of the insane over the insanity of the sane😂 Sorry. I just couldn’t resist that😄
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Post by chuck on Apr 14, 2020 5:05:20 GMT -5
Say's the man who thinks he can manipulate God. hezekiah on his death bed prayed to God for more time. Guess what? God gave him 10-15 more years....did he manipulate God? read your bible.... Or perhaps he just got better and atributed it to God and it was recorded, and just so happens to be in the bible. Now weve never seen that happen before have we. Lots going on with Hezekiah but no manipulation of God. If Hezekiah can manipulate God why can't the poor parents of a sick child?
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Post by chuck on Apr 14, 2020 5:19:04 GMT -5
As far as I know there is only 1 "insistent" God, all the rest "exist". What do you mean by 1 "insistent" God,?He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 My new favorite verse. God insists how we live. Might not be the best explanation of God but the best I can do. This God does not "exist".
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Post by iam on Apr 14, 2020 5:27:44 GMT -5
What do you mean by 1 "insistent" God,? He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 My new favorite verse. God insists how we live. Might not be the best explanation of God but the best I can do. This God does not "exist". That’s right and the less we have of God in us the less He appears to exist. Isaiah 58:6 KJV [6] Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 6:05:42 GMT -5
hezekiah on his death bed prayed to God for more time. Guess what? God gave him 10-15 more years....did he manipulate God? read your bible.... Or perhaps he just got better and atributed it to God and it was recorded, and just so happens to be in the bible. Now weve never seen that happen before have we. Lots going on with Hezekiah but no manipulation of God. If Hezekiah can manipulate God why can't the poor parents of a sick child? ah back to not believing in the bible again or prayer when it suits ya...typical...but not really my problem its yours....
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Post by chuck on Apr 14, 2020 9:07:26 GMT -5
Or perhaps he just got better and atributed it to God and it was recorded, and just so happens to be in the bible. Now weve never seen that happen before have we. Lots going on with Hezekiah but no manipulation of God. If Hezekiah can manipulate God why can't the poor parents of a sick child? ah back to not believing in the bible again or prayer when it suits ya...typical...but not really my problem its yours.... Nothing to do with not believing the bible. Everything to do with understanding genre, historical arc, hebrew culture, opression ect ect. Not something a 2x2 ever considers. Hence why its so easy to say God orered genocide on people in the OT and not feel one bit guilty saying it, or that a king prayed a magic prayer and got another 15yrs of life, God wipped down from heaven and granted his wish but ignores the millions of pleas of people just as scincere as Hezekiah in prayer. To put it bluntly wally you do not apply any critical thinking to anything in the bible. It was quite normal to say God did this or said that to justify ones actions in these times. That was how it was. That is not how it is today, this is called Historical Arc. Progressive dynamic revelation of God.
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Post by chuck on Apr 14, 2020 9:24:53 GMT -5
He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 My new favorite verse. God insists how we live. Might not be the best explanation of God but the best I can do. This God does not "exist". That’s right and the less we have of God in us the less He appears to exist. Isaiah 58:6 KJV [6] Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? No he does not "exist" at all. God is true, You can see the results of God. A existent god is a pagan god. I would ask how can we have less of God in us? when it is God that is the thing that holds us together. We are inspired, when not we go back to the dust.
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Post by iam on Apr 14, 2020 10:33:10 GMT -5
That’s right and the less we have of God in us the less He appears to exist. Isaiah 58:6 KJV [6] Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? No he does not "exist" at all. God is true, You can see the results of God. A existent god is a pagan god. I would ask how can we have less of God in us? when it is God that is the thing that holds us together. We are inspired, when not we go back to the dust. Of course God exists. Jesus exists. The Holy Spirit exists. That’s ludicrous but it’s true for you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 13:13:53 GMT -5
Rational is human logic and reasoning. It has nothing to do with faith. Faith is a substance of things hoped for. We can’t find that on a periodic table. So why bother ratting back and forth on the issue? What’s the point? To prove things rational are sane and things of faith are not? WHO CARES!?🤢 Exactly! And don't forget "evidence of things not seen". Science is the "evidence of things seen".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 13:14:39 GMT -5
ah back to not believing in the bible again or prayer when it suits ya...typical...but not really my problem its yours.... Nothing to do with not believing the bible. Everything to do with understanding genre, historical arc, hebrew culture, opression ect ect. Not something a 2x2 ever considers. Hence why its so easy to say God orered genocide on people in the OT and not feel one bit guilty saying it, or that a king prayed a magic prayer and got another 15yrs of life, God wipped down from heaven and granted his wish but ignores the millions of pleas of people just as scincere as Hezekiah in prayer. To put it bluntly wally you do not apply any critical thinking to anything in the bible. It was quite normal to say God did this or said that to justify ones actions in these times. That was how it was. That is not how it is today, this is called Historical Arc. Progressive dynamic revelation of God. who says God doesn't answer some other people prayers? so when Jesus taught us to pray here was he teaching us to manipulate God? i see 4 requests of God in these verses just like hezekiahs: Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread. Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. read your bible....
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Post by snow on Apr 14, 2020 18:29:21 GMT -5
I find it interesting that all Gods answer their people's prayers. How can that be if only one God is right and only one God answers prayers?
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Post by chuck on Apr 14, 2020 18:56:25 GMT -5
Nothing to do with not believing the bible. Everything to do with understanding genre, historical arc, hebrew culture, opression ect ect. Not something a 2x2 ever considers. Hence why its so easy to say God orered genocide on people in the OT and not feel one bit guilty saying it, or that a king prayed a magic prayer and got another 15yrs of life, God wipped down from heaven and granted his wish but ignores the millions of pleas of people just as scincere as Hezekiah in prayer. To put it bluntly wally you do not apply any critical thinking to anything in the bible. It was quite normal to say God did this or said that to justify ones actions in these times. That was how it was. That is not how it is today, this is called Historical Arc. Progressive dynamic revelation of God. who says God doesn't answer some other people prayers? so when Jesus taught us to pray here was he teaching us to manipulate God? i see 4 requests of God in these verses just like hezekiahs: Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread. Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. read your bible.... You say answered prayers are evidence we are able to manipulate God. I say you cannot manipulate God. Nowhere do I say prayers go unanswered. Try and work out the difference.
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Post by chuck on Apr 14, 2020 18:58:30 GMT -5
I find it interesting that all Gods answer their people's prayers. How can that be if only one God is right and only one God answers prayers? Existent god's. All easily manipulated to fit our agenda.
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Post by snow on Apr 14, 2020 19:07:30 GMT -5
I find it interesting that all Gods answer their people's prayers. How can that be if only one God is right and only one God answers prayers? Existent god's. All easily manipulated to fit our agenda. Existent god's?? All gods are non existent to all religions but their own. Yet all Gods are said to do miracles, speak to their followers, and answer prayers. So not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying your Christian God is non existent and doesn't do miracles, speak to his followers or answer prayers?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 19:11:19 GMT -5
who says God doesn't answer some other people prayers? so when Jesus taught us to pray here was he teaching us to manipulate God? i see 4 requests of God in these verses just like hezekiahs: Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread. Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. read your bible.... You say answered prayers are evidence we are able to manipulate God. I say you cannot manipulate God. Nowhere do I say prayers go unanswered. Try and work out the difference. your avoiding the question.....
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Post by chuck on Apr 14, 2020 19:31:07 GMT -5
Existent god's. All easily manipulated to fit our agenda. Existent god's?? All gods are non existent to all religions but their own. Yet all Gods are said to do miracles, speak to their followers, and answer prayers. So not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying your Christian God is non existent and doesn't do miracles, speak to his followers or answer prayers? No their all existent in various forms. Think about it. I think God is non existent but true. For example. A existent God say's hate your enemy, kill them, iradicate them, I don't have to show you any examples of that in the bible now do I. Think about people who defend horrendous acts in the OT( I used too as well 🤦♂️) or used God to justify these acts or even disgusting acts today. Where is their God, some place else sitting on a throne in Heaven!. A existent god. A insistent God say's Love your enemey where is that God?. In you!. All those stories in the OT are there for a reason. Yes they are true, but how can we learn from them. Sadly we don't seem to be.
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Post by chuck on Apr 14, 2020 19:35:15 GMT -5
Existent god's. All easily manipulated to fit our agenda. Existent god's?? All gods are non existent to all religions but their own. Yet all Gods are said to do miracles, speak to their followers, and answer prayers. So not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying your Christian God is non existent and doesn't do miracles, speak to his followers or answer prayers? A existent god allows you to shun family members of they don't believe in your god, a insistent God say's treat them like a normal human being and not lesser then yourself.
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Post by snow on Apr 14, 2020 19:35:57 GMT -5
Existent god's?? All gods are non existent to all religions but their own. Yet all Gods are said to do miracles, speak to their followers, and answer prayers. So not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying your Christian God is non existent and doesn't do miracles, speak to his followers or answer prayers? No their all existent in various forms. Think about it. I think God is non existent but true. For example. A existent God say's hate your enemy, kill them, iradicate them, I don't have to show you any examples of that in the bible now do I. Think about people who defend horrendous acts in the OT( I used too as well 🤦♂️) or used God to justify these acts or even disgusting acts today. Where is their God, some place else sitting on a throne in Heaven!. A existent god. A insistent God say's Love your enemey where is that God?. In you!. All those stories in the OT are there for a reason. Yes they are true, but how can we learn from them. Sadly we don't seem to be. You seem to be using the word 'existent' in a whole different definition than I do. Could you please define what existent means to you? Your definition of the word? If you are a Christian is your God existent or non existent?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 20:10:15 GMT -5
No their all existent in various forms. Think about it. I think God is non existent but true. For example. A existent God say's hate your enemy, kill them, iradicate them, I don't have to show you any examples of that in the bible now do I. Think about people who defend horrendous acts in the OT( I used too as well 🤦♂️) or used God to justify these acts or even disgusting acts today. Where is their God, some place else sitting on a throne in Heaven!. A existent god. A insistent God say's Love your enemey where is that God?. In you!. All those stories in the OT are there for a reason. Yes they are true, but how can we learn from them. Sadly we don't seem to be. You seem to be using the word 'existent' in a whole different definition than I do. Could you please define what existent means to you? Your definition of the word? If you are a Christian is your God existent or non existent? he's babbling....exist has two meanings one meaning being and the other to live and existence means both...
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Post by chuck on Apr 14, 2020 20:42:33 GMT -5
No their all existent in various forms. Think about it. I think God is non existent but true. For example. A existent God say's hate your enemy, kill them, iradicate them, I don't have to show you any examples of that in the bible now do I. Think about people who defend horrendous acts in the OT( I used too as well 🤦♂️) or used God to justify these acts or even disgusting acts today. Where is their God, some place else sitting on a throne in Heaven!. A existent god. A insistent God say's Love your enemey where is that God?. In you!. All those stories in the OT are there for a reason. Yes they are true, but how can we learn from them. Sadly we don't seem to be. You seem to be using the word 'existent' in a whole different definition than I do. Could you please define what existent means to you? Your definition of the word? If you are a Christian is your God existent or non existent? Something thats outside of you that you and that you can manipulate. 2x2's god for example. In heaven some place else. Can manipulate him with prayer or performance. Is the meetings ect. (Holy/Idols) Is the rituals, professing ect. (for the idols) All existent things that add up to their god. Early Christians died suggesting God does not exist. Romans charged them with atheism because all gods existed in some form or other, wooden idols, rituals, ect. They had to stamp this out as it rendered their gods, temples ect useless. Somehow along the way Christianity has insisted on a existent god. A pagan god. The Christian God is true. But does not exist like a pagan God. It's a spirit/force intwined within you and me and the universe and holding us together. If I hurt you I hurt me. Love your neighbors as yourself, Love your enemies as yourself. Pray for them that despitfully use you. God Insists.
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