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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 1:29:56 GMT -5
Speaking of rational, where is he? His name keeps getting tossed around here left right and center😏 he likes sniping from the shadows, don't worry hes watching...
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 13, 2020 2:29:44 GMT -5
Wrong on both counts. There is no accounting for how a believers mind works. So you read the 7 day creation account as a science book and say its irrational?. Yep! Are you saying that it is rational?
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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 2:43:04 GMT -5
So you read the 7 day creation account as a science book and say its irrational?. Yep! Are you saying that it is rational?Im not arguing it's either. Do you think it was written as a literal science book?.
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Post by mountain on Apr 13, 2020 2:46:50 GMT -5
So you read the 7 day creation account as a science book and say its irrational?. Yep! Are you saying that it is rational?The seven day creation account can in no way be rational to the human mind unless that mind submits to the idea of the existence of a greater supernatual power behind it all. Note the use of the word 'supernatural.' Rationality is very much bound by the natural order and processes. Therefore the seven day creation account is indeed irrational if we exclude the supernatural. To quote George Smith the retired newsagent who had the little shop at the bottom of my road,...... 'those who buy newspapers give scant thought to their origins. Most are six day creations with each day producing its own act of creativity. Let no man forget that.' Do we need to look any further for proof of the 'irrational' creation account?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 13, 2020 3:19:18 GMT -5
Yep! Are you saying that it is rational? The seven day creation account can in no way be rational to the human mind unless that mind submits to the idea of the existence of a greater supernatual power behind it all. Note the use of the word 'supernatural.' Rationality is very much bound by the natural order and processes. Therefore the seven day creation account is indeed irrational if we exclude the supernatural. To quote George Smith the retired newsagent who had the little shop at the bottom of my road,...... 'those who buy newspapers give scant thought to their origins. Most are six day creations with each day producing its own act of creativity. Let no man forget that.' Do we need to look any further for proof of the 'irrational' creation account? Precisely!
That is why I catalogue the biblical "the seven day creation account" right there in my bookcase along side of the Hopi, Norse, Maori, Cherokee creation accounts, as well as all of the other peoples of the world accounts of creation.
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Post by mountain on Apr 13, 2020 4:53:17 GMT -5
The seven day creation account can in no way be rational to the human mind unless that mind submits to the idea of the existence of a greater supernatual power behind it all. Note the use of the word 'supernatural.' Rationality is very much bound by the natural order and processes. Therefore the seven day creation account is indeed irrational if we exclude the supernatural. To quote George Smith the retired newsagent who had the little shop at the bottom of my road,...... 'those who buy newspapers give scant thought to their origins. Most are six day creations with each day producing its own act of creativity. Let no man forget that.' Do we need to look any further for proof of the 'irrational' creation account? Precisely!
That is why I catalogue the biblical "the seven day creation account" right there in my bookcase along side of the Hopi, Norse, Maori, Cherokee creation accounts, as well as all of the other peoples of the world accounts of creation.
Paul (I think it was) described Christians as peculiar people. They are peculiar for their beliefs. We must be careful that we do not equate rationality with truth, or irrationality with untruth. Often these things are confused. Often truth is irrational. George Smith has regularly stated ... 'Truth is often stranger than fiction.'
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 13, 2020 5:01:08 GMT -5
Precisely!
That is why I catalogue the biblical "the seven day creation account" right there in my bookcase along side of the Hopi, Norse, Maori, Cherokee creation accounts, as well as all of the other peoples of the world accounts of creation.
Paul (I think it was) described Christians as peculiar people. They are peculiar for their beliefs. We must be careful that we do not equate rationality with truth, or irrationality with untruth. Often these things are confused. Often truth is irrational. George Smith has regularly stated ... 'Truth is often stranger than fiction.' In the context it was used does it not mean unique?
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Post by iam on Apr 13, 2020 9:36:16 GMT -5
Rational is human logic and reasoning. It has nothing to do with faith. Faith is a substance of things hoped for. We can’t find that on a periodic table. So why bother ratting back and forth on the issue? What’s the point? To prove things rational are sane and things of faith are not? WHO CARES!?🤢
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Post by mountain on Apr 13, 2020 9:45:19 GMT -5
Paul (I think it was) described Christians as peculiar people. They are peculiar for their beliefs. We must be careful that we do not equate rationality with truth, or irrationality with untruth. Often these things are confused. Often truth is irrational. George Smith has regularly stated ... 'Truth is often stranger than fiction.' In the context it was used does it not mean unique? Do unique to know this?
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Post by snow on Apr 13, 2020 12:53:43 GMT -5
Precisely!
That is why I catalogue the biblical "the seven day creation account" right there in my bookcase along side of the Hopi, Norse, Maori, Cherokee creation accounts, as well as all of the other peoples of the world accounts of creation.
Paul (I think it was) described Christians as peculiar people. They are peculiar for their beliefs. We must be careful that we do not equate rationality with truth, or irrationality with untruth. Often these things are confused. Often truth is irrational. George Smith has regularly stated ... 'Truth is often stranger than fiction.' And people are proud of being 'peculiar'?? I don't get that. What is so wonderful about having to believe in things theists have to believe in? And, every religion has different 'peculiar' beliefs that other religions have no problem with seeing how ridiculous those beliefs are. Yet they swear their 'peculiarities' really are true. Everyone is a skeptic with it comes to other people's religions, but they don't seem to be able to view their own with the same degree of skepticism.
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Post by snow on Apr 13, 2020 12:56:38 GMT -5
Rational is human logic and reasoning. It has nothing to do with faith. Faith is a substance of things hoped for. We can’t find that on a periodic table. So why bother ratting back and forth on the issue? What’s the point? To prove things rational are sane and things of faith are not? WHO CARES!?🤢 That's a very good point. When people say they believe on faith, not because they can prove it's true, I respect that. But it's not where some people leave the things they belief on faith. They actually come on here saying that what they believe by faith can be proven. Well if that's true, then why does it take faith to believe it? It's kind of makes the whole definition of faith redundant.
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Post by mountain on Apr 13, 2020 13:05:47 GMT -5
Paul (I think it was) described Christians as peculiar people. They are peculiar for their beliefs. We must be careful that we do not equate rationality with truth, or irrationality with untruth. Often these things are confused. Often truth is irrational. George Smith has regularly stated ... 'Truth is often stranger than fiction.' And people are proud of being 'peculiar'?? I don't get that. What is so wonderful about having to believe in things theists have to believe in? And, every religion has different 'peculiar' beliefs that other religions have no problem with seeing how ridiculous those beliefs are. Yet they swear their 'peculiarities' really are true. Everyone is a skeptic with it comes to other people's religions, but they don't seem to be able to view their own with the same degree of skepticism. I dare say some are peculiarly proud of being seen as peculiar, but I think overall, those who are seen as peculiar don't take pride in being peculiar for peculiarity's sake. Peculiar isn't it. Rather they have pride in that which makes them peculiar, not in peculiarity itself. The peculiar thing is that it is those who do not share their beliefs who regard them as peculiar. It is not those who are regarded as being peculiar who look upon themselves as being peculiar. Those who regard others of different beliefs as being peculiar really fall into the category of being peculiar themselves. Such are the things of peculiarity.
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Post by snow on Apr 13, 2020 13:15:43 GMT -5
And people are proud of being 'peculiar'?? I don't get that. What is so wonderful about having to believe in things theists have to believe in? And, every religion has different 'peculiar' beliefs that other religions have no problem with seeing how ridiculous those beliefs are. Yet they swear their 'peculiarities' really are true. Everyone is a skeptic with it comes to other people's religions, but they don't seem to be able to view their own with the same degree of skepticism. I dare say some are peculiarly proud of being seen as peculiar, but I think overall, those who are seen as peculiar don't take pride in being peculiar for peculiarity's sake. Peculiar isn't it. Rather they have pride in that which makes them peculiar, not in peculiarity itself. The peculiar thing is that it is those who do not share their beliefs who regard them as peculiar. It is not those who are regarded as being peculiar who look upon themselves as being peculiar. Those who regard others of different beliefs as being peculiar really fall into the category of being peculiar themselves. Such are the things of peculiarity. LOL
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 13, 2020 14:30:18 GMT -5
Rational is human logic and reasoning. It has nothing to do with faith. Faith is a substance of things hoped for. We can’t find that on a periodic table. So why bother ratting back and forth on the issue? What’s the point? To prove things rational are sane and things of faith are not? WHO CARES!?🤢 We should all care when "faith" tries to usurp "rationality" & pronounce how everyone should act to the circumstances under which we ALL have to live.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 13, 2020 14:42:15 GMT -5
Rational is human logic and reasoning. It has nothing to do with faith. Faith is a substance of things hoped for. We can’t find that on a periodic table. So why bother ratting back and forth on the issue? What’s the point? To prove things rational are sane and things of faith are not? WHO CARES!?🤢 People who care about other people care. They care because faith is the greatest hindrance there is to the advancement of knowledge. Your faith would mean diddly to you when you are sick and require medical treatment which I am sure you would not turn down.
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Post by Grant on Apr 13, 2020 14:53:08 GMT -5
Rational is human logic and reasoning. It has nothing to do with faith. Faith is a substance of things hoped for. We can’t find that on a periodic table. So why bother ratting back and forth on the issue? What’s the point? To prove things rational are sane and things of faith are not? WHO CARES!?🤢 People who care about other people care. They care because faith is the greatest hindrance there is to the advancement of knowledge. Your faith would mean diddly to you when you are sick and require medical treatment which I am sure you would not turn down. Your reasoning is the same as saying a person who goes to work lacks faith because they should rely on God to supply their needs. We are expected to take appropriate steps but trust God is in control no matter what the outcome. Faith doesn't mean do nothing.
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Post by iam on Apr 13, 2020 15:23:34 GMT -5
Rational is human logic and reasoning. It has nothing to do with faith. Faith is a substance of things hoped for. We can’t find that on a periodic table. So why bother ratting back and forth on the issue? What’s the point? To prove things rational are sane and things of faith are not? WHO CARES!?🤢 We should all care when "faith" tries to usurp "rationality" & pronounce how everyone should act to the circumstances under which we ALL have to live. I think I have faith. I believe in God anyways. That does not mean I don’t care about what is going on. I’m not obsessed with it but I am not ignorant. It doesn’t take a lack of faith or belief in God to be considerate and follow the rules.
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Post by iam on Apr 13, 2020 15:30:06 GMT -5
Rational is human logic and reasoning. It has nothing to do with faith. Faith is a substance of things hoped for. We can’t find that on a periodic table. So why bother ratting back and forth on the issue? What’s the point? To prove things rational are sane and things of faith are not? WHO CARES!?🤢 People who care about other people care. They care because faith is the greatest hindrance there is to the advancement of knowledge. Your faith would mean diddly to you when you are sick and require medical treatment which I am sure you would not turn down. So? And if you want to pursue science and find cures for stuff of course people that believe in God will use that. So what? And because I believe in God I don’t care? What stupid reasoning! And for your information, no I do NOT want to take a vaccine but I might just because people without faith would have a hissy fit and think I am out to infect everyone. Seriously, if atheists are the “sane”ones, let me be considered insane as a person that loves God.
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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 20:20:50 GMT -5
Rational is human logic and reasoning. It has nothing to do with faith. Faith is a substance of things hoped for. We can’t find that on a periodic table. So why bother ratting back and forth on the issue? What’s the point? To prove things rational are sane and things of faith are not? WHO CARES!?🤢 People who care about other people care. They care because faith is the greatest hindrance there is to the advancement of knowledge. Your faith would mean diddly to you when you are sick and require medical treatment which I am sure you would not turn down. People who care about other people is God!.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 13, 2020 20:32:59 GMT -5
People who care about other people care. They care because faith is the greatest hindrance there is to the advancement of knowledge. Your faith would mean diddly to you when you are sick and require medical treatment which I am sure you would not turn down. People who care about other people is God!. Which one of the thousands of gods are you referring to?
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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 20:45:07 GMT -5
People who care about other people is God!. Which one of the thousands of gods are you referring to? As far as I know there is only 1 "insistent" God, all the rest "exist".
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 13, 2020 20:48:26 GMT -5
Which one of the thousands of gods are you referring to? As far as I know there is only 1 "insistent" God, all the rest "exist". I see.
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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 20:58:53 GMT -5
As far as I know there is only 1 "insistent" God, all the rest "exist". I see. That's the trouble!.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 13, 2020 21:00:52 GMT -5
We should all care when "faith" tries to usurp "rationality" & pronounce how everyone should act to the circumstances under which we ALL have to live. I think I have faith. I believe in God anyways. That does not mean I don’t care about what is going on. I’m not obsessed with it but I am not ignorant. It doesn’t take a lack of faith or belief in God to be considerate and follow the rules. I'm not saying that people shouldn't have "faith," -I just believe that people of "faith" should not be able to set the rules by which the rest of us must also live.
I do not expect people to have to take a vaccine that they don't want to take. That is an invasion of their personal rights, -an actual invasion of their bodies. But I do believe that people of "faith" should not flout recommendations that would help keep everyone safe by not meeting in large groups. Because then they go out amongst the rest of us which puts others in jeopardy.
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Post by iam on Apr 13, 2020 21:38:10 GMT -5
I think I have faith. I believe in God anyways. That does not mean I don’t care about what is going on. I’m not obsessed with it but I am not ignorant. It doesn’t take a lack of faith or belief in God to be considerate and follow the rules. I'm not saying that people shouldn't have "faith," -I just believe that people of "faith" should not be able to set the rules by which the rest of us must also live.
I do not expect people to have to take a vaccine that they don't want to take. That is an invasion of their personal rights, -an actual invasion of their bodies. But I do believe that people of "faith" should not flout recommendations that would help keep everyone safe by not meeting in large groups. Because then they go out amongst the rest of us which puts others in jeopardy.
That is so true dm. People going out in large groups is so inconsiderate of others in these times and it’s such a poor example of a caring God.
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Post by chuck on Apr 13, 2020 21:50:28 GMT -5
I'm not saying that people shouldn't have "faith," -I just believe that people of "faith" should not be able to set the rules by which the rest of us must also live.
I do not expect people to have to take a vaccine that they don't want to take. That is an invasion of their personal rights, -an actual invasion of their bodies. But I do believe that people of "faith" should not flout recommendations that would help keep everyone safe by not meeting in large groups. Because then they go out amongst the rest of us which puts others in jeopardy.
That is so true dm. People going out in large groups is so inconsiderate of others in these times and it’s such a poor example of a caring God. Put bluntly it isn't God. It's them worshipping what is holy to them(meetings ect). A idol. Their own god(themselves).
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Post by iam on Apr 13, 2020 21:56:10 GMT -5
That is so true dm. People going out in large groups is so inconsiderate of others in these times and it’s such a poor example of a caring God. Put bluntly it isn't God. It's them worshipping what is holy to them(meetings ect). A idol. Their own god(themselves). Yeah I notice that in everyone regardless of what the do or don’t believe
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 13, 2020 22:01:51 GMT -5
That is so true dm. People going out in large groups is so inconsiderate of others in these times and it’s such a poor example of a caring God. Put bluntly it isn't God. It's them worshipping what is holy to them(meetings ect). A idol. Their own god(themselves). Have you finally realized that each man's god is made in that mans image?
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