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Post by iam on Apr 7, 2020 22:27:23 GMT -5
For cryingn out loud its only been a couple of weeks but the withdrawals to save ourselves are to strong too overcome already. Wake up 2x2's. If you never had fellowoship ever again it would not matter. Does this make fellowship bad?, hang no!, but it puts it into perspective what fellowship is actually for, and its not for your salvation, Jesus has already taken care of that!. Fellowship is remembering that!, celebrating that!. Not for doing better, trying harder,ect ect and literally loving yourself into submission of 2x2 dogma. 2x2's are like drug addicts. They need there fix of 2x2 crack bad!. It's religion that is the drug. It has the same affect as an opioid. Really!? Where?? Sign me up!
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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 8, 2020 8:49:59 GMT -5
Matt, it all is so crazy, there is no rhyme or reason to it. if the Workers can use it then it is kosher. There is no way that Churches should tell people what to do in their daily lives, they will work that out for themselves. Clergy are there to give spiritual guidance, and they should restrict themselves to that. Main stream Churches do, they don't give you a set of rules to live by, and comply with or your are out. I was always cranky that we were not allowed to have proper weddings. Why???. They had weddings big time in the Bible. Jesus provided the wine. We have been married 59 years tomorrow. But it had to be in a Registry office, long before civil celebrants started. Registry offices were few and far between in Victoria, we had to travel 80kms to the nearest one. The Registrar also was a second hand dealer. His office only had room for him,his table and 2 people standing. Parents and witnesses had to stand outside. We had to go outside while the witnesses came in to sign. And to top it all off, when we were making our vows a guy burst in to the office wanting to know the price of a piano out the back. The Registrar had the decency to tell him to wait, he would see him shortly. I thought it was considerate of him, to finish marrying us, before he sold the piano. My Wife got chipped by a Worker for wearing white shoes, should have been black. We thought they were for meetings and funerals. It is a disgrace that weddings had to be like that, because of a stupid rule made by a Worker. No justification for it, misuse of power. However we got the piece of paper, and have been happily married for 59 years, that is the main thing. We do hope to make 60, will keep our fingers crossed,not that I expect to be thrown out any time soon. Robin, I found your post re your wedding sad, interesting & funny, the way you expressed it! Were women wearing white shoes taboo in AU all the time? or just for weddings? What did your wife and you wear to your wedding?
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Post by snow on Apr 8, 2020 13:51:37 GMT -5
For cryingn out loud its only been a couple of weeks but the withdrawals to save ourselves are to strong too overcome already. Wake up 2x2's. If you never had fellowoship ever again it would not matter. Does this make fellowship bad?, hang no!, but it puts it into perspective what fellowship is actually for, and its not for your salvation, Jesus has already taken care of that!. Fellowship is remembering that!, celebrating that!. Not for doing better, trying harder,ect ect and literally loving yourself into submission of 2x2 dogma. 2x2's are like drug addicts. They need there fix of 2x2 crack bad!. It's religion that is the drug. It has the same affect as an opioid. Yes, this is a good example of just how dangerous religious indoctrination can be. Religions worldwide are showing just how much it effects their ability to think rationally. Thank goodness not all of the religious are as addicted as some of them are. The 2x2's did the right thing canceling face to face meetings.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 15:15:37 GMT -5
Cherie white shoes were a no, no, full stop. We were very Victorian, always black. It may have been a carry over from the "Black Stocking" days. Stockings went, but not the shoes.
From memory my Wife wore a dress to the wedding. I didn't take much notice, other things were on my mind. Sorry, get serious Redback. It was a meeting dress very plain, acqua green, with a row of white daisies down the bodice on one side. I would say the daisies would have had to come off for it to be suitable for meetings. The hem line was knee level, still able to see most of her gorgeous legs. She also wore a white hat, more of a fascinator, not suitable for meetings. That also came in for comment. The hat was complimented with white gloves. She looked beautiful, took my breath away. Still haven't got it back after 59 years, have to use Ventolin ever since. Sort of a bit like being hit with Covid-19.
There is no way that you should ever be made to get married in a second hand shop, highly inappropriate. Nobody should be treated as second hand goods.
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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 8, 2020 15:46:44 GMT -5
Email from an Overseer to Midwest U.S. Friends:
"...Different ones have asked about having a conference call with others for their meeting. I have been very hesitant to go along with that, and I finally talked to some other overseers and they very much feel that we should not go down that route. It was mentioned that our Sunday morning meeting should be focused totally on the Bridegroom.
Maybe the Lord saw that we needed our focus adjusted, and could accomplish it through these present circumstances? John was found all alone on the Isle of Patmos. He got a Revelation of the bridegroom that day that far exceeded any! Daniel knew what it was to be alone. Elijah knew what it was to be alone, Moses knew what it was to be alone, and that is where they all received the greatest insight to the Kingdom of Heaven.
Now, in no way would we ever discourage anyone from calling someone after the meeting and telling them something from your meeting; in fact we would encourage that very much! But I really believe it is spiritually healthier, at 10 AM, or your normal meeting time, to not involve the phone. Just you and whoever can be present with you there in your home, quiet yourself and have a little meeting..."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 15:58:53 GMT -5
Give it time, it will change always does. Just takes a bit longer for 2x2's to catch up to the rest of the World. God example, TV's, ban now lifted after 60 years. There have been many bans lifted since it began 120 years ago.
Overseers are probably worried that the flock may become "Groupies".
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Post by fred on Apr 8, 2020 18:08:49 GMT -5
I don't know that you would call it a taboo but some female workers (in particular M.G) seemed to make it their special no-no. Molly would berate the girls telling them that they (the white shoes) looked like boxes!! Of course the parents would then stop the girls from wearing them.
I remember this same lady on the 'welcoming committee' at convention as you were driving in instructing my sister to take off her gold watch -
not real gold of course.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 18:12:23 GMT -5
Email from an Overseer to Midwest U.S. Friends:"...Different ones have asked about having a conference call with others for their meeting. I have been very hesitant to go along with that, and I finally talked to some other overseers and they very much feel that we should not go down that route. It was mentioned that our Sunday morning meeting should be focused totally on the Bridegroom. Maybe the Lord saw that we needed our focus adjusted, and could accomplish it through these present circumstances? John was found all alone on the Isle of Patmos. He got a Revelation of the bridegroom that day that far exceeded any! Daniel knew what it was to be alone. Elijah knew what it was to be alone, Moses knew what it was to be alone, and that is where they all received the greatest insight to the Kingdom of Heaven. Now, in no way would we ever discourage anyone from calling someone after the meeting and telling them something from your meeting; in fact we would encourage that very much! But I really believe it is spiritually healthier, at 10 AM, or your normal meeting time, to not involve the phone. Just you and whoever can be present with you there in your home, quiet yourself and have a little meeting..." not sure i understand the why's of this...but a hymn keeps popping up in my mind...his way is best i follow on....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 18:15:27 GMT -5
I don't know that you would call it a taboo but some female workers (in particular M.G) seemed to make it their special no-no. Molly would berate the girls telling them that they (the white shoes) looked like boxes!! Of course the parents would then stop the girls from wearing them. I remember this same lady on the 'welcoming committee' at convention as you were driving in instructing my sister to take off her gold watch - not real gold of course. What decade are you referring to?
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Post by fred on Apr 8, 2020 18:20:27 GMT -5
I don't know that you would call it a taboo but some female workers (in particular M.G) seemed to make it their special no-no. Molly would berate the girls telling them that they (the white shoes) looked like boxes!! Of course the parents would then stop the girls from wearing them. I remember this same lady on the 'welcoming committee' at convention as you were driving in instructing my sister to take off her gold watch - not real gold of course. What decade are you referring to? The 1960's, I guess I'm getting a bit long in the tooth now.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 8, 2020 19:09:18 GMT -5
It's religion that is the drug. It has the same affect as an opioid. Really!? Where?? Sign me up! Well, Of course religion is that drug! I thought everyone knew that!
It make you feel good no matter what happens because it makes you feel protected & safe. It make you feel different and invincible because you are member of an elite group of people
Religion is an all around great tonic!
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 8, 2020 19:15:17 GMT -5
I don't know that you would call it a taboo but some female workers (in particular M.G) seemed to make it their special no-no. Molly would berate the girls telling them that they (the white shoes) looked like boxes!! Of course the parents would then stop the girls from wearing them. I remember this same lady on the 'welcoming committee' at convention as you were driving in instructing my sister to take off her gold watch - Yes, I can remember no "wrist" watches. I was allowed to have one because I was a nurse.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 8, 2020 19:27:04 GMT -5
Really!? Where?? Sign me up! Well, Of course religion is that drug! I thought everyone knew that!
It make you feel good no matter what happens because it makes you feel protected & safe. It make you feel different and invincible because you are member of an elite group of people
Religion is an all around great tonic!
It's the opiate for the masses.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 8, 2020 19:38:51 GMT -5
Charlie Mitchell once said that intercoms were of the devil. Now they are used in conventions.
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Post by iam on Apr 8, 2020 19:42:02 GMT -5
I don't know that you would call it a taboo but some female workers (in particular M.G) seemed to make it their special no-no. Molly would berate the girls telling them that they (the white shoes) looked like boxes!! Of course the parents would then stop the girls from wearing them. I remember this same lady on the 'welcoming committee' at convention as you were driving in instructing my sister to take off her gold watch - Yes, I can remember no "wrist" watches. I was allowed to have one because I was a nurse.
Is that why you became a nurse, dm? To wear jewelry? 😅
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 8, 2020 20:21:44 GMT -5
Is that why you became a nurse, dm? To wear jewelry? 😅 Hardly! That watch was probably the most expensive thing that my parents had ever bought for me! One reason was it had to have a second hand in order to check a patients pulse.
BTW, -I still have it even though it gave up the ghost a long time ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 20:37:24 GMT -5
I don't know that you would call it a taboo but some female workers (in particular M.G) seemed to make it their special no-no. Molly would berate the girls telling them that they (the white shoes) looked like boxes!! Of course the parents would then stop the girls from wearing them. I remember this same lady on the 'welcoming committee' at convention as you were driving in instructing my sister to take off her gold watch - Yes, I can remember no "wrist" watches. I was allowed to have one because I was a nurse.
Goodness me
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 21:14:02 GMT -5
I remember the days when Mexican Death Rap couldn't be played in the 15 minutes prior to meeting, and there was a strict "no nudity" policy on convention grounds! We were sorely opposed in those harsher times!
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 8, 2020 22:25:46 GMT -5
I remember the days when Mexican Death Rap couldn't be played in the 15 minutes prior to meeting, and there was a strict "no nudity" policy on convention grounds! We were sorely opposed in those harsher times! What a drag that must have been. Come to Burning Man some time.
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Post by iam on Apr 8, 2020 22:56:55 GMT -5
I remember the days when Mexican Death Rap couldn't be played in the 15 minutes prior to meeting, and there was a strict "no nudity" policy on convention grounds! We were sorely opposed in those harsher times! Those must have been very difficult times for you, ips. Traumatic. 😄
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 8, 2020 23:18:22 GMT -5
I remember the days when Mexican Death Rap couldn't be played in the 15 minutes prior to meeting, and there was a strict "no nudity" policy on convention grounds! We were sorely opposed in those harsher times! I never heard the music at convention but did see some rather odd sights. One... a naked guy hugging a tree in the middle of the night at Masterton Conv. Workers chased him but didn't catch him. Two.. a guy that was dressed, sleeping outside in the rain on the ground with one of those aluminium wash bowls over his head. Also at Masterton. Both guys came to a sticky end later on in life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 23:22:55 GMT -5
We were a bit before Fred, 40's and 50's. Very Victorian, very strict. It was the Bill Carroll era, and if you didn't tow the line they didn't hesitate in throwing you out. Bill was good at excommunicating wayward sheep. And if you were excommunicated you were off to Hell for sure. Go directly to Hell, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 0:08:17 GMT -5
I remember the days when Mexican Death Rap couldn't be played in the 15 minutes prior to meeting, and there was a strict "no nudity" policy on convention grounds! We were sorely opposed in those harsher times! Those must have been very difficult times for you, ips. Traumatic. 😄 I escaped though! Our MegaChurch'R'Us accepts all naked Mexican Death Rappers! Unless they're gay.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 9, 2020 3:42:42 GMT -5
I recall a senior worker preaching against Gold Watches. I kept mine on, and he kept on preaching against them. I also recall some of the events at Masterton....however when we “trotted the girls into town” we always made sure we got back well after midnight, when the Riot Squad had gone to bed. We usually parked a car outside the grounds, so we had it to head into town with. I think we went to the movies one night to watch Clockwork Orange. Glad for the No Nudity rule too.....the Mozzies tended to hang around a bit
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 9, 2020 7:06:07 GMT -5
Today outward appearances is less of an issue today. But if you try to take a meeting or have the emblems served outside of a worker appointed home, you could incur the wrath of the senior workers.
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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 9, 2020 8:32:08 GMT -5
Today outward appearances is less of an issue today. But if you try to take a meeting or have the emblems served outside of a worker appointed home, you could incur the wrath of the senior workers. Wonder what would happen to the Elders or Friends believed they had the right to serve/take the emblems and did so and didnt hide this from the workers? Or if a group of Elders went to the Workers and advised them they didn't agree with their rule and weren't going to abide by it? It is a known fact that dictatorships fall when the peons (those at the bottom) refuse to go along with the laws of the dictator/s anymore...
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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 9, 2020 9:45:13 GMT -5
From what is being said/written by Workers in these unusual times, they approve and believe that spiritual thoughts can be transferred by pen and paper (letters/email) and spoken person-to-person over the phone...Call in phone nos. are available for some to hear speakers at conventions in some areas...
BUT NOW, in some areas, Workers are ruling that the home meetings are not to be broadcast through more modern media, over the air such as WhatsAp, Zoom, YouTube, etc. And further, the new rules are not the same everywhere.
For years, some Workers have said the spirit can only be transferred person to person, and could not be done over the air. Is this true? Or is this another black stocking issue? Workers unnecessarily holding on to a past tradition...to the point it hurts their belief system and members.
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matt. 15:9)
Cognitive Dissonance. In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is defined as the mental discomfort experienced by a person who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, attitudes, ideas, values, or behaviors. This discomfort is triggered by a situation in which a person's belief clashes with new evidence and may lead to an action that reduces the discomfort and restores balance.
The Apostle Paul advised Christians to be careful lest they be "blown here and there by every wind of teaching"; to "prove all things": and to "prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God" (Eph. 4:14 KJV, 1 Thes. 5:21 KJV; Rom. 12:2 KJV).
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Post by mountain on Apr 9, 2020 9:58:21 GMT -5
Is that why you became a nurse, dm? To wear jewelry? 😅 Hardly! That watch was probably the most expensive thing that my parents had ever bought for me! One reason was it had to have a second hand in order to check a patients pulse.
BTW, -I still have it even though it gave up the ghost a long time ago.Forgive me but I thought you didn't believe in the spirit world?
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