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Post by iam on Mar 30, 2020 16:31:25 GMT -5
Well He's in my heart and in my soul. So I can't give you the tangible evidence that you want and honestly, that's ok with me, dear mat. Well at least we’re agreed on something, i.e. that God is an internal entity. Of course as soon as a believer here persuades me that the Christian God really is not dead I’ll happily change my avatar to a ‘Jesus Loves You’ one like my neighbour has on the back of his car. But contrary to the advice you gave me earlier, I won’t hold my breath. Matt10 Groan...Jesus loves you...one extreme to another. I don't want to change you, mat. Not my job.
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Post by iam on Mar 30, 2020 16:32:25 GMT -5
Well it obviously hits a nerve with you. It doesn't bother me at all. No nerve. I just don't like to see these kinds of things spread to those who will believe it without looking at the other possibilities. I've witnessed these things and know that end of life is also a starvation of oxygen to the brain that makes it react in different ways from normal. NDE's are an example of a brain lacking oxygen and the hallucinations it entails. So you post your belief, and I will post the scientific reasons for it, so that the readers can have both to look at and make an informed decision from. That works for you. That's great.
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Post by iam on Mar 30, 2020 16:34:31 GMT -5
Personally I have no time for religious videos. I do watch sewing tutorials when I need to from time to time🙂. You have a good heart, Nat.
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Post by nathan on Mar 30, 2020 16:49:19 GMT -5
Personally I have no time for religious videos. I do watch sewing tutorials when I need to from time to time🙂. You have a good heart, Nat. Thanks, we do all we can for people while there is life, there is hope... After death is too late to help anyone.
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Post by iam on Mar 30, 2020 17:58:37 GMT -5
Well it obviously hits a nerve with you. It doesn't bother me at all. No nerve. I just don't like to see these kinds of things spread to those who will believe it without looking at the other possibilities. I've witnessed these things and know that end of life is also a starvation of oxygen to the brain that makes it react in different ways from normal. NDE's are an example of a brain lacking oxygen and the hallucinations it entails. So you post your belief, and I will post the scientific reasons for it, so that the readers can have both to look at and make an informed decision from. Brains lacking oxygen. Seen a lot of that. You actually saw anything like that from oxygen deprivation from a normal death? I have never seen that and I have cared for many with severe oxygen deprivation. No this was something entirely different.
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Post by mountain on Mar 30, 2020 18:10:26 GMT -5
And it's never ending. However, that's the process of learning. In the past Virgs has defined it as 'always learning, but never coming to the knowledge of truth!' There's a lot in that. Speaking as a scientist, I broadly agree. What further need of proof hath we? Well said. People imperil their integrity when they fail to take cogniscence of the words of Virgs. It has always been so, and always will be so!
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 30, 2020 18:37:51 GMT -5
Doesn’t matter how many videos you want to share on souls departing the body after death. The only people it’s going to convince are those that need to it be true in order to fulfil their delusions of an afterlife..
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 30, 2020 18:39:32 GMT -5
Personally I have no time for religious videos. I do watch sewing tutorials when I need to from time to time🙂. You have a good heart, Nat. Thanks, we do all we can for people while there is life, there is hope... After death is too late to help anyone.
Have you ever thought that maybe it’s not us non believers that need help.. just saying.
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Post by matisse on Mar 30, 2020 18:52:21 GMT -5
Carry on. I'm sure it comforts you. Well it obviously hits a nerve with you. It doesn't bother me at all. Another example of projection. Again, you see what you want to believe is there. It isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 19:51:27 GMT -5
No nerve. I just don't like to see these kinds of things spread to those who will believe it without looking at the other possibilities. I've witnessed these things and know that end of life is also a starvation of oxygen to the brain that makes it react in different ways from normal. NDE's are an example of a brain lacking oxygen and the hallucinations it entails. So you post your belief, and I will post the scientific reasons for it, so that the readers can have both to look at and make an informed decision from. Brains lacking oxygen. Seen a lot of that. You actually saw anything like that from oxygen deprivation from a normal death? I have never seen that and I have cared for many with severe oxygen deprivation. No this was something entirely different. This is one of those areas where I suspend judgement... it strikes me as peculiar that the visions of heaven or hell that accompany NDEs very closely resemble good and bad psychedelic trips, but the data on what the consciousness of a person experiences at and after death are pretty poor (obviously). I don't discount the visions as something metaphysical, but I don't count them as such either. Though not in medical fields, I've seen a few brains lacking oxygen. On TMB, for starters.
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Post by iam on Mar 30, 2020 20:17:24 GMT -5
Brains lacking oxygen. Seen a lot of that. You actually saw anything like that from oxygen deprivation from a normal death? I have never seen that and I have cared for many with severe oxygen deprivation. No this was something entirely different. This is one of those areas where I suspend judgement... it strikes me as peculiar that the visions of heaven or hell that accompany NDEs very closely resemble good and bad psychedelic trips, but the data on what the consciousness of a person experiences at and after death are pretty poor (obviously). I don't discount the visions as something metaphysical, but I don't count them as such either. Though not in medical fields, I've seen a few brains lacking oxygen. On TMB, for starters. Everyone's brain on here seems to be lacking in oxygen "except me and thee and I'm not so sure of thee" as my mom used to say!😅jk
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 30, 2020 20:21:09 GMT -5
Brains lacking oxygen. Seen a lot of that. You actually saw anything like that from oxygen deprivation from a normal death? I have never seen that and I have cared for many with severe oxygen deprivation. No this was something entirely different. This is one of those areas where I suspend judgement... it strikes me as peculiar that the visions of heaven or hell that accompany NDEs very closely resemble good and bad psychedelic trips, but the data on what the consciousness of a person experiences at and after death are pretty poor (obviously). I don't discount the visions as something metaphysical, but I don't count them as such either. Though not in medical fields, I've seen a few brains lacking oxygen. On TMB, for starters. And I thought the same ones were oxygen thieves.
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Post by iam on Mar 30, 2020 20:23:13 GMT -5
Well it obviously hits a nerve with you. It doesn't bother me at all. Another example of projection. Again, you see what you want to believe is there. It isn't. You are projecting😏. I wasn't hallucinating and I'm not delusional. In the any medical sense of the words. It was real. A most fascinating experience.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 30, 2020 20:35:17 GMT -5
Another example of projection. Again, you see what you want to believe is there. It isn't. You are projecting😏. I wasn't hallucinating and I'm not delusional. In the any medical sense of the words. It was real. A most fascinating experience. Are you sure that the look of terror on the poor womans face was not caused by seeing you enter the room?
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Post by matisse on Mar 30, 2020 20:45:19 GMT -5
Another example of projection. Again, you see what you want to believe is there. It isn't. You are projecting😏. I wasn't hallucinating and I'm not delusional. In the any medical sense of the words. It was real. A most fascinating experience. I'm talking about you thinking you had "obviously" touched a nerve with snow. What did she say that made this so obvious to you? I've been reading Snow's posts for years now and there was nothing that I could see that would make it "obvious" that you had touched a nerve.
I don't doubt that you saw a dying person jump out of bed with a terrible expression on her face. I do question your interpretation. You do not know what was going on in the person's brain. You have no way of knowing that.
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Post by iam on Mar 30, 2020 21:58:13 GMT -5
You are projecting😏. I wasn't hallucinating and I'm not delusional. In the any medical sense of the words. It was real. A most fascinating experience. I'm talking about you thinking you had "obviously" touched a nerve with snow. What did she say that made this so obvious to you? I've been reading Snow's posts for years now and there was nothing that I could see that would make it "obvious" that you had touched a nerve.
I don't doubt that you saw a dying person jump out of bed with a terrible expression on her face. I do question your interpretation. You do not know what was going on in the person's brain. You have no way of knowing that.
I would say you would know even less what was going on because you weren't even there. 🥱This is getting old. I think what's more interesting than the story is people's reaction to it.
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Post by iam on Mar 30, 2020 22:02:24 GMT -5
You are projecting😏. I wasn't hallucinating and I'm not delusional. In the any medical sense of the words. It was real. A most fascinating experience. Are you sure that the look of terror on the poor womans face was not caused by seeing you enter the room? She seemed to always like me, curls. And her eyes when I went into that room weren't at all focused on me. But who knows. Imagine being able to walk into a room and the person dies. Brings a whole new light onto self isolation.
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Post by speak on Mar 30, 2020 22:56:42 GMT -5
Speaking as a scientist, I broadly agree. What further need of proof hath we? Well said. People imperil their integrity when they fail to take cogniscence of the words of Virgs. It has always been so, and always will be so! One thing about it my friend is that you always bring a smile to my face and a cheer to my heart, good in days like such. We need some big thumbs up in the simile's.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 30, 2020 23:46:18 GMT -5
Are you sure that the look of terror on the poor womans face was not caused by seeing you enter the room? She seemed to always like me, curls. And her eyes when I went into that room weren't at all focused on me. But who knows. Imagine being able to walk into a room and the person dies. Brings a whole new light onto self isolation. My mother who was professing spent a lot of time with a dying professing woman who was maybe 60 and had cancer. Mum said that this woman was screaming no...no no and other stuff in her last hours. She also appeared to be afraid but I nor my mum would have any idea what caused the fear. There are a number of possibilities, one of which is a fear of death. I would say that could be quite scarey.
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Post by Grant on Mar 31, 2020 0:03:34 GMT -5
It's nothing to do with someone being an atheist. Believers are also saying what you post is fake and even more so. You claim to be Christian in your beliefs. You are not Christian, you promote false cult teachings. If it's false you'll fall for it. The least you can do is If it's something like the fake Dead Sea scrolls you post, put the author's name to it, don't try and pass it off as authentic. Continue to post your complaints, opinion on the general board and I will engage you or anyone there. leave this board for 2x2 topics as the Admin. has asked us to do. Why, aren't you listening to the Adm. requests. In the past you keep on complaining to the Admin. on me posting these things on the main page to get me in trouble and get banned from posting on TMB. I know your game, enuf. Take it to the general board and post it there, ok.Being dishonest again Nathan. I was answering your post which you deleted the words off when you quoted me. I have no idea which posts are in the main board and which aren't as I go to recent posts and they all come up on my phone regardless of the board they are on.
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Post by nathan on Mar 31, 2020 0:10:36 GMT -5
Continue to post your complaints, opinion on the general board and I will engage you or anyone there. leave this board for 2x2 topics as the Admin. has asked us to do. Why, aren't you listening to the Adm. requests. In the past you keep on complaining to the Admin. on me posting these things on the main page to get me in trouble and get banned from posting on TMB. I know your game, enuf. Take it to the general board and post it there, ok. Being dishonest again Nathan. I was answering your post which you deleted the words off when you quoted me. I have no idea which posts are in the main board and which aren't as I go to recent posts and they all come up on my phone regardless of the board they are on. I am telling the truth... about you in the past you keep on complaining to the Admin. on me posting these things on the main page to get me in trouble and get banned from posting on TMB. I know your game, enuf. You and people like you bring up the subjects then complaint about it after wards.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 31, 2020 0:12:01 GMT -5
Being dishonest again Nathan. I was answering your post which you deleted the words off when you quoted me. I have no idea which posts are in the main board and which aren't as I go to recent posts and they all come up on my phone regardless of the board they are on. I am telling the truth... about you in the past you keep on complaining to the Admin. on me posting these things on the main page to get me in trouble and get banned from posting on TMB. I know your game, enuf. When did you tell the truth?
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 31, 2020 1:02:38 GMT -5
You really think corrupt God haters deserve a disease free life with God's blessings?🤣 So innocent lose their lives along with the corrupted. No big deal. It's not about this life ... well maybe if you're an atheist. Faith... it’s a powerful thing, to give up the pleasures of this life in “hope” for a much improved next life. You’d better hope your right..
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 31, 2020 1:45:48 GMT -5
A true story This a situation I dealt with years ago. A little old lady would come into the emergency department where I worked and she was the epitomy of the classic little old lady. Prim and proper without a hair out of place, sitting there demurely knitting for the hospital auxiliary. Every week she came in for IV hydration, which kept her alive. Occasionally it was my turn to give her her IV therapy. She must have figured out I was religious (bun, skirt) because she would always talk to me about how when she died she was going to out God in His place. She looked like this little saint but she had a hatred for God and she took every chance she could to tell me. You can't change anyone that doesn't want to change but I remember thinking, wow, what a place to he in just before you're about to die. Well, IV hydration doesn't keep an old lady alive for long and sure enough she was admitted to the hospital to die. She wouldn't eat or drink and had orders not to be resuscitated. Soon she was unconscious and for several days we turned her regularly every 2-3 hours. I wondered if she would die on a shift that I would be working. Sure enough, it was a night shift and sometime past midnight when we heard a loud crash. We ran down the hall towards the sound and into her room. This completely unconscious, dying little lady had jumped right out of the bed and landed on the floor sitting with her back against the wall and I have never seen such a look of terror in my whole life. I couldn't even imagine a look like that, haven't even seen anything like it in a horror movie. And she took one big gasp and she was gone. She couldn't have been an atheist because she obviously believed there was a God and she was going to teach Him a thing or two. But whenever I hear people despising God through unbelief, I think of that woman. Iam, -if you are a nurse, - how long have you been a nurse? How many people have you seen die?
First of all let me say that I was an RN for all of my working years from 1950 -1980+. I have worked in at least 7 hospitals across the Midwest & Eastern parts of the US even university hospitals including Johns Hopkins, -you know, the one that they keep quoting in the news these days concerning the virus.
I have worked in small hospitals, as well as two very large public hospitals and some others in between. I have seen more deaths that I can possibly remember.
There are some things about your experience that doesn't quite seem to stack up.
First you say you encountered her where you worked in the emergency room where she came to get IV's. But then you are talking about taking care of her like turning her every 2-3 hours.
Now I can understand that you could have working on a ward as well as the ER at different times; -nurses were often moved around to different areas like that.
But something I can't quite get is that a patient who was unconscious who could not even turn by themselves could have "jumped right out of the bed."
Didn't you have the side-rails up on the bed? As I said something doesn't quite stack up.
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Post by Grant on Mar 31, 2020 2:07:45 GMT -5
Being dishonest again Nathan. I was answering your post which you deleted the words off when you quoted me. I have no idea which posts are in the main board and which aren't as I go to recent posts and they all come up on my phone regardless of the board they are on. I am telling the truth... about you in the past you keep on complaining to the Admin. on me posting these things on the main page to get me in trouble and get banned from posting on TMB. I know your game, enuf. You and people like you bring up the subjects then complaint about it after wards.
I did not complain about you to admin, nor did I bring anything up. I replied to your post. I also have no idea if this is on the main board or not. I go to recent posts, I do not look back to see which board the post is on.
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Post by Grant on Mar 31, 2020 2:14:09 GMT -5
This is what you wrote Nathan to which I responded.
Nathan wrote: "The main board doesn't like to see his name but I posted his name on the general board. The article is intact as he wrote it "Jesus is the I AM God". That is what he wanted the information to be known to ALL the world. By the way, it is NOT fake, fraudulent like you believe. What you atheists are afraid of? that your belief there is no God is a false understanding".
Enuf replied:
"It's nothing to do with someone being an atheist. Believers are also saying what you post is fake and even more so. You claim to be Christian in your beliefs. You are not Christian, you promote false cult teachings.
If it's false you'll fall for it. The least you can do is If it's something like the fake Dead Sea scrolls you post, put the author's name to it, don't try and pass it off as authentic".
Bottom line Nathan, if you don't want people to reply don't ask questions
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Post by mountain on Mar 31, 2020 2:39:10 GMT -5
What further need of proof hath we? Well said. People imperil their integrity when they fail to take cogniscence of the words of Virgs. It has always been so, and always will be so! One thing about it my friend is that you always bring a smile to my face and a cheer to my heart, good in days like such. We need some big thumbs up in the simile's. Please remember to convey to Virgs my sincerest regards!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 2:51:45 GMT -5
She seemed to always like me, curls. And her eyes when I went into that room weren't at all focused on me. But who knows. Imagine being able to walk into a room and the person dies. Brings a whole new light onto self isolation. My mother who was professing spent a lot of time with a dying professing woman who was maybe 60 and had cancer. Mum said that this woman was screaming no...no no and other stuff in her last hours. She also appeared to be afraid but I nor my mum would have any idea what caused the fear. There are a number of possibilities, one of which is a fear of death. I would say that could be quite scarey. The realisation that you are leaving your loved ones, your loving children & spouse I believe is traumatic for anyone whether one is in the best of health or on deaths door. Being on deaths door, the finality of the loving relationships you’re cemented for years, it beats me why anyone would consider one would or should approach it with absolute serenity. Maybe, if one is older it’s different. I speak from personal experience sitting with someone dear to me, at the end.
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