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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 2, 2020 0:11:10 GMT -5
One of the outcomes in the USA and other backward countries is that there will be less religious people. No doubt the surviving bible bangers will blame the atheists instead of their own stupidity. last i knew the virus was after those with poor immune systems or serious underlying medical problems, nothing about religious folks in that, but your death wish for the religious is noted.... I was pointing out that by continuing to defy sound medical practice and to gather in large numbers with in buildings or buses then they are going to be the authors of their own misfortune. It's an own goal.
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Post by ellie on Apr 2, 2020 0:12:34 GMT -5
One of the outcomes in the USA and other backward countries is that there will be less religious people. No doubt the surviving bible bangers will blame the atheists instead of their own stupidity. last i knew the virus was after those with poor immune systems or serious underlying medical problems, nothing about religious folks in that, but your death wish for the religious is noted.... It's not that the virus is targeting religious folk any more than it's targeting Bondi backpackers, however the virus has spread during religious services. Especially in countries like Malaysia and Indonesia, but also in Australia.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 2, 2020 7:53:35 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Apr 2, 2020 15:39:45 GMT -5
States that are exempting religious gatherings
Arizona Religious services are exempt as an essential activity because worship is protected under the first amendment of the Constitution. However, the exemption specifies that the services are exempt as long as they "provides appropriate physical distancing to the extent feasible."
Colorado The state allows houses of worship to stay open as long as they are using an electronic platform or are practicing social distancing. Services from religious leaders are also allowed for individuals in crisis or for end-of-life services.
Delaware Along with social advocacy, business, professional, labor and political organizations, religious organizations are exempt.
Florida The state recognizes attending a church, synagogue or house of worship as an essential activity along with caring for loved ones, pets and recreational activities that comply with social guidelines.
Kentucky Kentucky makes an exemption for life-sustaining business and religious organizations that provide "food, shelter, social services, and other necessities of life" for people disadvantaged or in need because of the pandemic. However, the organizations must social distance as much as possible, including ending in-person retail.
Michigan Michigan also makes exceptions for operations, religious and secular, that provide necessities for those in need. The state also does not subject places of worship to penalties for breaking orders when they are used for religious worship.
New Mexico The state does not include congregations in a church, synagogue, mosque or other place of worship in the definition of "mass gatherings" that are barred.
North Carolina Traveling to and from a place of worship is exempt from the executive order as "leaving the home and travel for essential activities."
Pennsylvania Religious institutions are exempt along with lifesaving and sustaining operations, health care, child care for employees of life-sustaining businesses, news media, law enforcement, emergency medical fire fighters and the federal government.
Texas Religious services, if they cannot be conducted at home or remotely, can be conducted as long as they are consistent with guidelines from the federal government and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
West Virginia Attending a place of worship is considered an essential activity in the state along with going to the grocery store or gas station, picking up a prescription or necessary medical care, checking on a relative, getting exercise, and working essential jobs.
Wisconsin Religious facilities, groups and gatherings must have fewer than 10 people in a room and must adhere to social distancing requirements.
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Post by snow on Apr 2, 2020 18:01:24 GMT -5
One of the outcomes in the USA and other backward countries is that there will be less religious people. No doubt the surviving bible bangers will blame the atheists instead of their own stupidity. last i knew the virus was after those with poor immune systems or serious underlying medical problems, nothing about religious folks in that, but your death wish for the religious is noted.... He didn't say anything about wanting them to die. It's a fact that they are continuing to flock to churches in great numbers so that's a given that many of them are going to become infected and some will die. It is absolutely stupid that they are allowing churches to remain open and dangerous not only to them but everyone they come in contact with. I have absolutely no wish for them to die. But I believe that's just a given fact of what's going to happen based on what's happening in Florida. That's how I read the post anyway.
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Post by snow on Apr 2, 2020 18:04:30 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Apr 2, 2020 18:06:24 GMT -5
States that are exempting religious gatherings
Arizona Religious services are exempt as an essential activity because worship is protected under the first amendment of the Constitution. However, the exemption specifies that the services are exempt as long as they "provides appropriate physical distancing to the extent feasible."
Colorado The state allows houses of worship to stay open as long as they are using an electronic platform or are practicing social distancing. Services from religious leaders are also allowed for individuals in crisis or for end-of-life services.
Delaware Along with social advocacy, business, professional, labor and political organizations, religious organizations are exempt.
Florida The state recognizes attending a church, synagogue or house of worship as an essential activity along with caring for loved ones, pets and recreational activities that comply with social guidelines.
Kentucky Kentucky makes an exemption for life-sustaining business and religious organizations that provide "food, shelter, social services, and other necessities of life" for people disadvantaged or in need because of the pandemic. However, the organizations must social distance as much as possible, including ending in-person retail.
Michigan Michigan also makes exceptions for operations, religious and secular, that provide necessities for those in need. The state also does not subject places of worship to penalties for breaking orders when they are used for religious worship.
New Mexico The state does not include congregations in a church, synagogue, mosque or other place of worship in the definition of "mass gatherings" that are barred.
North Carolina Traveling to and from a place of worship is exempt from the executive order as "leaving the home and travel for essential activities."
Pennsylvania Religious institutions are exempt along with lifesaving and sustaining operations, health care, child care for employees of life-sustaining businesses, news media, law enforcement, emergency medical fire fighters and the federal government.
Texas Religious services, if they cannot be conducted at home or remotely, can be conducted as long as they are consistent with guidelines from the federal government and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
West Virginia Attending a place of worship is considered an essential activity in the state along with going to the grocery store or gas station, picking up a prescription or necessary medical care, checking on a relative, getting exercise, and working essential jobs.
Wisconsin Religious facilities, groups and gatherings must have fewer than 10 people in a room and must adhere to social distancing requirements.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 2, 2020 22:25:01 GMT -5
Are they anti Trump and trying to reduce the voting base or something? It's not a coincidence that these pastors are insisting on being exempt from these laws. The objective of the reconstructionists (or whatever else one calls them) is that the government's only authority over them is to enforce their (the churches') authority over the non-conformists to their dominion. Messing with them by having them limit such a thing as their services is enormously offensive -- that precisely Trump will not even think of involving himself in any stay at home restrictions. They're his babies.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 2, 2020 22:26:01 GMT -5
Are they anti Trump and trying to reduce the voting base or something? It's not a coincidence that these pastors are insisting on being exempt from these laws. The objective of the reconstructionists (or whatever else one calls them) is that the government's only authority over them is to enforce their (the churches') authority over the non-conformists to their dominion. Messing with them by having them limit such a thing as their services is enormously offensive -- that precisely Trump will not even think of involving himself in any stay at home restrictions. They're his babies. Which is why it's such a beautiful own goal.
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Post by ellie on Apr 3, 2020 4:22:24 GMT -5
Well at least it's closed!
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Post by ellie on Apr 3, 2020 4:27:39 GMT -5
Are they anti Trump and trying to reduce the voting base or something? It's not a coincidence that these pastors are insisting on being exempt from these laws. The objective of the reconstructionists (or whatever else one calls them) is that the government's only authority over them is to enforce their (the churches') authority over the non-conformists to their dominion. Messing with them by having them limit such a thing as their services is enormously offensive -- that precisely Trump will not even think of involving himself in any stay at home restrictions. They're his babies. Hmmm let them get away with it and some of his followers may actually die. Intervene and he may risk losing a higher percentage of supporters I suppose.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 3, 2020 10:07:12 GMT -5
For too long Churches have put the fear of God into everybody, including Governments. This has meant that Churches have been a law unto themselves. I do think that in a modern society there is need for change. I was surprised that the Australian Government set up a CSA Royal Commission. And some of the recommendations made are being implemented by the Government, to change that behaviour within Churches. This is right and proper and the way things should be. If Churches do the wrong thing, that causes physical harm to others, they should be brought to account. although warranted that kind of pent up hostility isn't gonna help anyone during this time... Who has this "pent up hostility" that you are talking about?
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 3, 2020 11:03:34 GMT -5
It's not a coincidence that these pastors are insisting on being exempt from these laws. The objective of the reconstructionists (or whatever else one calls them) is that the government's only authority over them is to enforce their (the churches') authority over the non-conformists to their dominion. Messing with them by having them limit such a thing as their services is enormously offensive -- that precisely Trump will not even think of involving himself in any stay at home restrictions. They're his babies. Hmmm let them get away with it and some of his followers may actually die. Intervene and he may risk losing a higher percentage of supporters I suppose. And Trump has the advantage of putting all that responsibility on the governors, so he can claim it would all be their fault.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 14:01:51 GMT -5
although warranted that kind of pent up hostility isn't gonna help anyone during this time... Who has this "pent up hostility" that you are talking about?who did i quote in my post?
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 3, 2020 14:55:49 GMT -5
Who has this "pent up hostility" that you are talking about? who did i quote in my post? Don't ask her. She doesn't know. She was asking YOU who might be hostile.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 17:10:33 GMT -5
who did i quote in my post? Don't ask her. She doesn't know. She was asking YOU who might be hostile. follow the continuity of the thread then, pretty simple really...
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Post by snow on Apr 4, 2020 14:07:18 GMT -5
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Post by iam on Apr 21, 2020 22:42:57 GMT -5
Not hostility Wally, just plain common sense. It is an unfortunate situation that some of God's people are so heavenly minded, they are of no earthly use. I’m so earthly minded I’m no heavenly good😬😏
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Post by iam on Apr 21, 2020 22:52:45 GMT -5
Sounds to me like churches that are defying social distancing orders are a bunch of wing nuts. Bizarre.
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Post by shushy on Jun 13, 2020 20:04:17 GMT -5
States that are exempting religious gatherings
Arizona Religious services are exempt as an essential activity because worship is protected under the first amendment of the Constitution. However, the exemption specifies that the services are exempt as long as they "provides appropriate physical distancing to the extent feasible."
Colorado The state allows houses of worship to stay open as long as they are using an electronic platform or are practicing social distancing. Services from religious leaders are also allowed for individuals in crisis or for end-of-life services.
Delaware Along with social advocacy, business, professional, labor and political organizations, religious organizations are exempt.
Florida The state recognizes attending a church, synagogue or house of worship as an essential activity along with caring for loved ones, pets and recreational activities that comply with social guidelines.
Kentucky Kentucky makes an exemption for life-sustaining business and religious organizations that provide "food, shelter, social services, and other necessities of life" for people disadvantaged or in need because of the pandemic. However, the organizations must social distance as much as possible, including ending in-person retail.
Michigan Michigan also makes exceptions for operations, religious and secular, that provide necessities for those in need. The state also does not subject places of worship to penalties for breaking orders when they are used for religious worship.
New Mexico The state does not include congregations in a church, synagogue, mosque or other place of worship in the definition of "mass gatherings" that are barred.
North Carolina Traveling to and from a place of worship is exempt from the executive order as "leaving the home and travel for essential activities."
Pennsylvania Religious institutions are exempt along with lifesaving and sustaining operations, health care, child care for employees of life-sustaining businesses, news media, law enforcement, emergency medical fire fighters and the federal government.
Texas Religious services, if they cannot be conducted at home or remotely, can be conducted as long as they are consistent with guidelines from the federal government and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
West Virginia Attending a place of worship is considered an essential activity in the state along with going to the grocery store or gas station, picking up a prescription or necessary medical care, checking on a relative, getting exercise, and working essential jobs.
Wisconsin Religious facilities, groups and gatherings must have fewer than 10 people in a room and must adhere to social distancing requirements. Could it be that your nation was founded on Christianity when the Constitution was written and the Covenant that was made with God.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 13, 2020 20:30:03 GMT -5
Could it be that your nation was founded on Christianity when the Constitution was written and the Covenant that was made with God. No
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Post by xna on Jun 13, 2020 20:57:04 GMT -5
Could it be that your nation was founded on Christianity when the Constitution was written and the Covenant that was made with God. It was not the case. The US constitution does not make a reference to God as such, other than the date convention. In the US constitution the power comes from " we the people" not any god, as was the case in England. The question of any role of religion in government was debated before the constitution was finalize and is well documented. Prayer before the constitutional convention was also debated and it was decided prayer should not be part of opening or closing government sessions. The first amendment to the constitution says " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion... " making clear the point the USA is a secular nation with separation of state and church. The Constitutional Convention took place in 1787. Then on June 7, 1797 the US congress ratified unanimously without debate with the signature of President John Adams The Treaty of Tripoli stating " the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion". Some Christians continue trying to rewrite history saying; the USA was founded as a Christian nation, but the facts are not on their side, and their deception is easily exposed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 21:29:34 GMT -5
Could it be that your nation was founded on Christianity when the Constitution was written and the Covenant that was made with God. It was not the case. The US constitution does not make a reference to God as such, other than the date convention. In the US constitution the power comes from " we the people" not any god, as was the case in England. The question of any role of religion in government was debated before the constitution was finalize and is well documented. Prayer before the constitutional convention was also debated and it was decided prayer should not be part of opening or closing government sessions. The first amendment to the constitution says " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion... " making clear the point the USA is a secular nation with separation of state and church. The Constitutional Convention took place in 1787. Then on June 7, 1797 the US congress ratified unanimously without debate with the signature of President John Adams The Treaty of Tripoli stating " the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion". Some Christians continue trying to rewrite history saying; the USA was founded as a Christian nation, but the facts are not on their side, and their deception is easily exposed. you've overlooked much of how they put it into practice...such as prayer before sessions(which they still do today), and having church in gov't buildings near the start... and you've overlooked the declaration of independence that acknowledges the creator which is an official gov't document... www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/11/federal-court-upholds-prayer-congress/
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Post by xna on Jun 13, 2020 21:37:14 GMT -5
It was not the case. The US constitution does not make a reference to God as such, other than the date convention. In the US constitution the power comes from " we the people" not any god, as was the case in England. The question of any role of religion in government was debated before the constitution was finalize and is well documented. Prayer before the constitutional convention was also debated and it was decided prayer should not be part of opening or closing government sessions. The first amendment to the constitution says " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion... " making clear the point the USA is a secular nation with separation of state and church. The Constitutional Convention took place in 1787. Then on June 7, 1797 the US congress ratified unanimously without debate with the signature of President John Adams The Treaty of Tripoli stating " the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion". Some Christians continue trying to rewrite history saying; the USA was founded as a Christian nation, but the facts are not on their side, and their deception is easily exposed. you've overlooked much of how they put it into practice...such as prayer before sessions(which they still do today), and having church in gov't buildings near the start... and you've overlooked the declaration of independence that acknowledges the creator which is an official gov't document... www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/11/federal-court-upholds-prayer-congress/I was talking about the constitutional convention and the forming of the government. Today there is a mixing of religion in government. I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t a state church someday soon. The declarations of independence was before the constitution was written. Things changed between that and the government formation. It also used language that the King could relate to.
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Post by shushy on Jun 13, 2020 22:38:05 GMT -5
I sent a link about the covenant in the last few wks. Only to be told by the clever ducks on here it is incorrect.
Time will tell.
Which King do you speak of? I should imagine a true King would know many things the people are completely unaware of. Until he decides to inform them.
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Post by shushy on Jun 13, 2020 22:42:58 GMT -5
Xna
State church?
The one world govt have a plan for a one world church. Its been in the pipe line many years. I doubt many christians will be a part of it.
You will see more house churches if it gets to that point.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 13, 2020 23:50:00 GMT -5
Xna State church? The one world govt have a plan for a one world church. Its been in the pipe line many years. I doubt many christians will be a part of it. You will see more house churches if it gets to that point. I know of some apartment buildings that will need several just for their one building.
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Post by shushy on Jun 14, 2020 5:48:09 GMT -5
Sure I don't doubt that.
The underground church has been alive some time. Outside of China.
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