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Post by fixit on Mar 29, 2020 17:43:56 GMT -5
They have not got endless money to spend but they do have a great big printing machine. Thanks, goodness for Uncle Sam printing money machine during this horrible Corona Pandemic Crisis, will save millions of Americans lives, jobs and the United States as a nation. I wish all of the nations can print their own money to help their own citizens also. Great that we have Venezuela (with the world's biggest oil reserves) and Zimbabwe (formerly the breadbasket of Africa) as an example of how well it works.
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Post by fixit on Mar 29, 2020 17:50:02 GMT -5
Thanks, goodness for Uncle Sam printing money machine during this horrible Corona Pandemic Crisis, will save millions of Americans lives, jobs and the United States as a nation. I wish all of the nations can print their own money to help their own citizens also. Printed money that isn't based on anything, like gold for instance, is worthless and become so inflated that it's useless. Look at what happened to Germany's economy when they basically did just that. I have to wonder how much people even know about how the world works. Economists seem to be as ignorant as anybody. At the end of the day, money is tied to goods and services produced. Debt results from the consumption of tomorrow's goods and services before they're produced. IOW, we can have a booming economy now but if it's tomorrow's income we're consuming a day of reckoning will come. Trump's administration overspent as much as anyone, maybe more. Even before COVID-19.
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Post by Dan on Mar 29, 2020 17:52:37 GMT -5
<abbr title="Mar 29, 2020 12:23:35 GMT -5" class="o-timestamp time" data-timestamp="1585502615000">Mar 29, 2020 12:23:35 GMT -5</abbr> snow said:
Basically what you are saying is that if someone gets married, loves their new spouse and then in the future they don't anymore, they never loved them in the first place. That's illogical. I loved my husband when I married him. Years of domestic violence, unfaithfulness etc killed that. I still cared about him and we remained friends until he passed away, but there was no spousal love anymore. So for you to say that we never 'really believed' in God if we could leave and not believe anymore is so wrong it's laughable. It is possible to love and honor and then not to.
That's true... I guess that's why they use to throw that "For better or worse" clause into the wedding vows? But if I married a beautiful and nice woman who gained 120 lbs and turned mean, then what I loved no longer exist. But if you read the bible, believed and loved God, nothing changed except you.
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Post by fixit on Mar 29, 2020 17:55:21 GMT -5
Isn't it great that your government has an endless amount of money to spend? Now those who are crying about not wanting to make the US into a socialist state are soooo happy they are getting a hand out. People have been in need for a long time and these same people said no way. Now I bet they take any handout available. It's a big problem that quantitative easing has pushed up asset values and enriched those with the most assets at the expense of those with less.
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Post by Dan on Mar 29, 2020 18:05:05 GMT -5
Now those who are crying about not wanting to make the US into a socialist state are soooo happy they are getting a hand out. People have been in need for a long time and these same people said no way. Now I bet they take any handout available.
Assuming we get the $1200 per person, I don't view it as a handout because I paid much more than that in taxes. Plus my business was down $2000 last week because of the government shutdown, and at least another bad week ahead. Poor people don't pay any income tax, so it is a hand-out for them.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 29, 2020 18:15:59 GMT -5
So more children and riches makes up for all the pain Job suffered? Did not Job and his wife mourn their ten dead children? What a terrible thing! More children doesn't make you forget the ones you lost. All the money in the world doesn't make up for that pain. This is one of the most disturbing stories in the bible. no one is suggesting that anyone is forgetting what came before but people can find joy again to some degree with new things in their life like a new set of 10 children for job and material things being replaced with new material things... Missing the point entirely! "Satan" wasn't in that deal alone you know!
"Satan" & "God" had a little chess game going on you know! So much for "God" using those children a "pawns" in a chess game!
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 29, 2020 18:25:05 GMT -5
Now those who are crying about not wanting to make the US into a socialist state are soooo happy they are getting a hand out. People have been in need for a long time and these same people said no way. Now I bet they take any handout available. Assuming we get the $1200 per person, I don't view it as a handout because I paid much more than that in taxes. Plus my business was down $2000 last week because of the government shutdown, and at least another bad week ahead. Poor people don't pay any income tax, so it is a hand-out for them.
Stated like a big business 2% tycoon except for the fact that middle class business owners are being taken in by the rhetoric of the said 2% who care not one whit for those same small business owners.
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Post by snow on Mar 29, 2020 18:27:51 GMT -5
Now those who are crying about not wanting to make the US into a socialist state are soooo happy they are getting a hand out. People have been in need for a long time and these same people said no way. Now I bet they take any handout available. Assuming we get the $1200 per person, I don't view it as a handout because I paid much more than that in taxes. Plus my business was down $2000 last week because of the government shutdown, and at least another bad week ahead. Poor people don't pay any income tax, so it is a hand-out for them.
This isn't the government's fault that there has to be a shut down. You obviously think you're owed. I am glad it's there for you all, don't get me wrong. But maybe more people will be less reluctant in the future to help those who are down and out when they need it. There is nothing wrong with taking care of each other.
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Post by nathan on Mar 29, 2020 18:32:58 GMT -5
no one is suggesting that anyone is forgetting what came before but people can find joy again to some degree with new things in their life like a new set of 10 children for job and material things being replaced with new material things... Missing the point entirely! "Satan" wasn't in that deal alone you know!
"Satan" & "God" had a little chess game going on you know! So much for "God" using those children a "pawns" in a chess game! God was bragging about Job his ultimate knight! will be stay and be TRUE to his faith in God, no matters what you/Satan throw at him. God was RIGHT! Job passed the test with flying colors.
Job said he will continue to put his faith in God no matters what happened to him and his children. After God had purified me with fires, I shall come forth as Gold! What a man of great faith to follow as an example for all Believers! Wow... been there myself many times... I failed those tests many times, thanks for Job's example to keep my Faith in God no matters what and God came to the rescue at the right time almost every time. Sometimes, there was a delay but those time help us to patience and trust in God's timing is the best at the end.
ALL of us humans are pawns in this War game between God Vs. Satan.. It is up to us which side do we want to be use as pawns, knights, bishops, horses or the Queen. We know God will win at the end and He will rewards those who allow Him to use us/our lives his pawns to WIN the game/war.
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Post by nathan on Mar 29, 2020 18:41:43 GMT -5
Assuming we get the $1200 per person, I don't view it as a handout because I paid much more than that in taxes. Plus my business was down $2000 last week because of the government shutdown, and at least another bad week ahead. Poor people don't pay any income tax, so it is a hand-out for them.
This isn't the government's fault that there has to be a shut down. You obviously think you're owed. I am glad it's there for you all, don't get me wrong. But maybe more people will be less reluctant in the future to help those who are down and out when they need it. There is nothing wrong with taking care of each other. How can we help anyone when we have NOTHING ourselves? Thanks, goodness for our good old U.S. gov't to bail us out again the second time. President Trump warned the U.S. BANKS! NOT to buy stocks with the Stimulus grants and loans this TIME! like they did the last Obama Administration Stimulus package to help the citizens and NOT for the bankers themselves! and they made trillions of dollars from buying low stocks market and did not help with the people mortage and refinance loans. What a bunch of crooks, millions Americans lost their homes because of that.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 29, 2020 20:13:44 GMT -5
Carry on Nathan. Trying to explain things to you is as futile as trying to catch water with a sieve. I'm glad you're happy about the hand out. I do hope it does help you and your family. I do. Thanks, snow... City Portlanders are stuck in homes for a month or more... We have rent bills, credits cards to pay, and need money to buy foods to last that long. Afraid to go out grocery stores, the Virus can survive on the shopping cart handles, foods, paper bags, and so on... people are living in fear around here!
One lady purposely cough in the produce/vegetable section the police arrived and took her away! The owner of the store had to throw away all of the products.
With my line of work, we have to figure out to keep a 3-6 feet from the customers from now on! It's NOT if we get the Virus but WHEN, I pray that they will have the Vaccine soon or many people will die.
In NZ the supermarket I go to has a big perspex shield between the cashier and the customer. That helps. The staff wear masks and gloves and there is hand sanitizer available. I understand all the supermarkets that are owned by that chain have the perspex shields.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 29, 2020 20:53:15 GMT -5
That's not obvious at all, Dan. Have you ever changed your mind about anything? Suppose you decide it's going to rain today. Turns out, it didn't rain. Will you hold to your belief that it should have rained, lest you display your initial sincerity was lacking? The weather changes, Christ hasn't..
I don't think you understand the meaning of logical fallacy. Just as you don't understand the meaning of the word faith. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this: If one cannot physically observe and verify anything spiritual, then you, who asserts the spiritual, are claiming to detect the undetectable - a logical impossibility! Since I have faith, I suspect I understand what it is.
Spiritual things have been observed.. I believe those who witnessed the resurrected Christ, it wasn't undetectable. Of course its all received by faith since science can't explain it.
Benar is right.
If something can be "observed" and can be "detectable" why would one need "faith" to believe it?
Faith implies something is true even where there is NO evidence or proof.
What other Spiritual things in the bible do you think is true?
How about all of these? Elijah raised the son of the Zarephath widow from the dead (1 Kings 17:17-22).
Elisha raised the son of the Shunammite woman from the dead (2 Kings 4:32-35).
A man was raised from the dead when his body touched Elisha’s bones (2 Kings 13:20, 21).
Many saints rose from the dead at the resurrection of Jesus (Matt. 27:50-53).
Jesus raised the son of the widow of Nain from the dead (Luke 7:11-15).
Jesus raised the daughter of Jairus from the dead (Luke 8:41, 42, 49-55).
Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead (John 11:1-44).
Peter raised Dorcas from the dead (Acts 9:36-41).
Eutychus was raised from the dead by Paul (Acts 20:9, 10).
Do you believe that all of these incidents actually happened? Or do you think perhaps in that day people believed such incidents could happen whereas in our own time we have a better knowledge concerning how the body works?
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Post by Dan on Mar 29, 2020 23:06:43 GMT -5
The weather changes, Christ hasn't..
Since I have faith, I suspect I understand what it is.
Spiritual things have been observed.. I believe those who witnessed the resurrected Christ, it wasn't undetectable. Of course its all received by faith since science can't explain it.
Do you believe that all of these incidents actually happened? Or do you think perhaps in that day people believed such incidents could happen whereas in our own time we have a better knowledge concerning how the body works?
Yes, I believe everything in the bible.. We may have better knowledge of how the body works today, but I believe He who created the body is still a few steps ahead of us.
Once a person believes that God is the life-giver, its not so difficult to accept that He can also restore life.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 23:46:21 GMT -5
Do you not believe that the rain falls on the just and unjust? Absolutely... I'm as just as it gets and I'm getting the hell kicked out of me
Take for example the coronavirus situation. It is clear from the havoc, pain and suffering which it has created that (a) either there is no God or (b) God doesn’t give a hoot about our pain and suffering.
I'll go with B... If God wanted the virus stopped, He'd stop it, but he hasn't intervened, not yet anyhow. "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth" (Genesis 6:5). "While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:3).
Well, it seems we’re finally agreed on something. I’ve been making the case here for years that God doesn’t give a hoot about any of us. It’s a case that no believer has even been able to refute although they’ve always stopped short of agreeing with me. Until now. However the difficulty with your argument here is that it is not just the coronavirus that God does nothing to prevent, it’s also the abuse of babies. I don’t think any sensible person could possibly argue that God doesn’t intervene to prevent the abuse of babies because the wickedness of man is great. That’s just silly. It’s clear therefore that your argument is flawed. Of course the truth is that the fact that God doesn’t give a hoot about any of us has nothing to do with the wickedness of man, and to claim that it is is simply an attempt to excuse the actions/inactions of God when the only alternative conclusions one can come to are that either God isn’t there or, rather than being a loving, caring God, the Christian God is actually a psychopath. What you are doing here is simply confirming the very point I made in para 5 of my previous response, professing.proboards.com/post/896834/thread. And now that you’ve confirmed that God can (and might yet) intervene in the coronavirus situation perhaps you can inform us as to when you might expect him to intervene and what the manner of his intervention might look like. For example, is there any point in praying to God for him to provide more ventilators in hospitals or that a vaccine would be made available within 3 months ... or are those not the sorts of things that he intervenes in? Matt10
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 30, 2020 0:16:39 GMT -5
Do you believe that all of these incidents actually happened? Or do you think perhaps in that day people believed such incidents could happen whereas in our own time we have a better knowledge concerning how the body works?
Yes, I believe everything in the bible.. We may have better knowledge of how the body works today, but I believe He who created the body is still a few steps ahead of us.
Once a person believes that God is the life-giver, its not so difficult to accept that He can also restore life.
I see.
Ok then, I guess that for you it was perfectly alright for God as a "life-giver" to also have the "his" chosen people to utterly destroy all of the Amalekites; -women, children, old people, -even the 'suckling babies.'
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 30, 2020 1:55:08 GMT -5
This isn't the government's fault that there has to be a shut down. You obviously think you're owed. I am glad it's there for you all, don't get me wrong. But maybe more people will be less reluctant in the future to help those who are down and out when they need it. There is nothing wrong with taking care of each other. How can we help anyone when we have NOTHING ourselves? Thanks, goodness for our good old U.S. gov't to bail us out again the second time. President Trump warned the U.S. BANKS! NOT to buy stocks with the Stimulus grants and loans this TIME! like they did the last Obama Administration Stimulus package to help the citizens and NOT for the bankers themselves! and they made trillions of dollars from buying low stocks market and did not help with the people mortage and refinance loans. What a bunch of crooks, millions Americans lost their homes because of that.
The government does not bail people out. It is just the mechanism by which everyone else does, including future generations.
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Post by nathan on Mar 30, 2020 2:02:16 GMT -5
How can we help anyone when we have NOTHING ourselves? Thanks, goodness for our good old U.S. gov't to bail us out again the second time. President Trump warned the U.S. BANKS! NOT to buy stocks with the Stimulus grants and loans this TIME! like they did the last Obama Administration Stimulus package to help the citizens and NOT for the bankers themselves! and they made trillions of dollars from buying low stocks market and did not help with the people mortage and refinance loans. What a bunch of crooks, millions Americans lost their homes because of that.
The government does not bail people out. It is just the mechanism by which everyone else does, including future generations. Well, Obama Admin. should have bailed the Americans people out with the mortage the last time but the BANKS! rip us off. This time President will NOT see the same mistakes with the Banks again! Help the businesses NOT money for the banks. The U.S. gov't bails the people and businesses out in Pandemic Crisis like we see last week! Trillion dollars Stimulus packages to be given within 2 or 3 weeks.
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Post by Dan on Mar 30, 2020 2:32:54 GMT -5
Absolutely... I'm as just as it gets and I'm getting the hell kicked out of me
I'll go with B... If God wanted the virus stopped, He'd stop it, but he hasn't intervened, not yet anyhow. "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth" (Genesis 6:5). "While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:3).
Well, it seems we’re finally agreed on something. I’ve been making the case here for years that God doesn’t give a hoot about any of us. It’s a case that no believer has even been able to refute although they’ve always stopped short of agreeing with me. Until now. However the difficulty with your argument here is that it is not just the coronavirus that God does nothing to prevent, it’s also the abuse of babies. I don’t think any sensible person could possibly argue that God doesn’t intervene to prevent the abuse of babies because the wickedness of man is great. That’s just silly. It’s clear therefore that your argument is flawed. Of course the truth is that the fact that God doesn’t give a hoot about any of us has nothing to do with the wickedness of man, and to claim that it is is simply an attempt to excuse the actions/inactions of God when the only alternative conclusions one can come to are that either God isn’t there or, rather than being a loving, caring God, the Christian God is actually a psychopath. What you are doing here is simply confirming the very point I made in para 5 of my previous response, professing.proboards.com/post/896834/thread. And now that you’ve confirmed that God can (and might yet) intervene in the coronavirus situation perhaps you can inform us as to when you might expect him to intervene and what the manner of his intervention might look like. For example, is there any point in praying to God for him to provide more ventilators in hospitals or that a vaccine would be made available within 3 months ... or are those not the sorts of things that he intervenes in? Matt10
I never said that God doesn't care about any of us, I just don't think He intervenes directly to exempt believers from calamities that effect everyone. His blessings aren't earthly in nature. When Jesus said "It is finished", Calvary was that final blessing, Jesus destroyed the darkness that surrounds sinners, his grace is now sufficient, we already received the gift of gifts, "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee". I believe God's concern is a spiritual one now, and direct intervention may occur from that perspective, but not so much to preserve His people from harsh world events. We will go through tribulation, but we will not experience God's wrath. "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth" (Matthew 5:5).
I personally believe the corona virus will run its course, I see no reason for God to stop it. The bible warns that there will be an escalation of these deadly plagues. However, God did stop a plague before, "So the Lord sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men. And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand" ( 2 Samuel 24;15&16)... jmo
King Saul was ordered to kill all the Amalekites, but he failed. The remnant he left alive later attacked Israel and took David and his men’s families captive. David then attacked the Amalekites to rescued their families, but he also let 400 Amalekites escape. Several hundred years later, Amalekite descendants tried to have the entire Jewish people exterminated. God knew this would occur, which is why He ordered their complete destruction in the first place. Same with the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 30, 2020 3:57:37 GMT -5
King Saul was ordered to kill all the Amalekites, but he failed. The remnant he left alive later attacked Israel and took David and his men’s families captive. David then attacked the Amalekites to rescued their families, but he also let 400 Amalekites escape. Several hundred years later, Amalekite descendants tried to have the entire Jewish people exterminated. God knew this would occur, which is why He ordered their complete destruction in the first place. Same with the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.
I know the story. But Dan, that doesn't answer my question.
Why would a God who was a "life-giver" and who created the whole of mankind tell one group of his creation to "utterly destroy" another group of his creation; -even to all of them, -women, children, old people, -even the 'suckling babies?'"
Why is it so difficult to understand that this was a history of one group of people and as such is the way all people tend to record their history?
That is all that it is. It does not make any sense otherwise.
How can anyone believe that a god who acted in such a way would also be the kind of being that one would want to worship; - let alone emulate?
Not if they wanted to live a morally upright life themselves.
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Post by nathan on Mar 30, 2020 8:26:28 GMT -5
King Saul was ordered to kill all the Amalekites, but he failed. The remnant he left alive later attacked Israel and took David and his men’s families captive. David then attacked the Amalekites to rescued their families, but he also let 400 Amalekites escape. Several hundred years later, Amalekite descendants tried to have the entire Jewish people exterminated. God knew this would occur, which is why He ordered their complete destruction in the first place. Same with the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.
I know the story. But Dan, that doesn't answer my question.
Why would a God who was a "life-giver" and who created the whole of mankind tell one group of his creation to "utterly destroy" another group of his creation; -even to all of them, -women, children, old people, -even the 'suckling babies?'"
Why is it so difficult to understand that this was a history of one group of people and as such is the way all people tend to record their history?
That is all that it is. It does not make any sense otherwise.
How can anyone believe that a god who acted in such a way would also be the kind of being that one would want to worship; - let alone emulate?
Not if they wanted to live a morally upright life themselves.
Dan is correct! It was the children of Israel and the survival of Humanity eternal destiny were on the line. Amalekites, Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites were the children/descendants of the Nephilim/the giants= very EVIL/Satanic race of people... They seek to destroy the children of Israel and if they had wiped them out then Humanity is DOOM forever! Christ/God could NOT have begotten to redeem us in the Person Jesus on Calvary's Cross.
That was one of the reasons God wanted the children of Israel to KILL them ALL! or there is no hope for humanity if they had survived.... Through the Old Testament these 7 giants nations fought against the children of Israel constantly with wars for years, because king Saul disobeyed God's commandment to destroyed all of them.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 30, 2020 8:28:39 GMT -5
I know the story. But Dan, that doesn't answer my question.
Why would a God who was a "life-giver" and who created the whole of mankind tell one group of his creation to "utterly destroy" another group of his creation; -even to all of them, -women, children, old people, -even the 'suckling babies?'"
Why is it so difficult to understand that this was a history of one group of people and as such is the way all people tend to record their history?
That is all that it is. It does not make any sense otherwise.
How can anyone believe that a god who acted in such a way would also be the kind of being that one would want to worship; - let alone emulate?
Not if they wanted to live a morally upright life themselves.
Amalekites, Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites were the children/descendants of the Nephilim/the giants= very EVIL/Satanic race of people... They seek to destroy the children of Israel and if they had wiped out them out then Humanity is DOOM forever! Christ/God could NOT have begotten to redeem us in the Person Jesus on Calvary's Cross.
That was one of the reasons God wanted the children of Israel to KILL them ALL! or there is no hope for humanity if they had survived.... Through the Old Testament these 7 giants nations fought against the children of Israel constantly with wars for years, because king Saul disobeyed God's commandment to destroyed all of them.
You need to read a good book on the history of the ancient near east Nathan. Your own version of history is far from being correct..
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Post by Lee on Mar 30, 2020 8:43:39 GMT -5
no one is suggesting that anyone is forgetting what came before but people can find joy again to some degree with new things in their life like a new set of 10 children for job and material things being replaced with new material things... Missing the point entirely! "Satan" wasn't in that deal alone you know!
"Satan" & "God" had a little chess game going on you know! So much for "God" using those children a "pawns" in a chess game! As surely as children grow through challenges, I believe the cosmically inclined soul develops in a context of adversity.
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Post by Annan on Mar 30, 2020 11:20:14 GMT -5
So more children and riches makes up for all the pain Job suffered? Did not Job and his wife mourn their ten dead children? What a terrible thing! More children doesn't make you forget the ones you lost. All the money in the world doesn't make up for that pain. This is one of the most disturbing stories in the bible. no one is suggesting that anyone is forgetting what came before but people can find joy again to some degree with new things in their life like a new set of 10 children for job and material things being replaced with new material things... Life goes on. I know that. The point is your god allowed satan to kill Job's children. He knew and gave permission. What a loving father. Say what you want. You believers always make excuses for the atrocities committed and allowed by your god.
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Post by Dan on Mar 30, 2020 13:53:09 GMT -5
King Saul was ordered to kill all the Amalekites, but he failed. The remnant he left alive later attacked Israel and took David and his men’s families captive. David then attacked the Amalekites to rescued their families, but he also let 400 Amalekites escape. Several hundred years later, Amalekite descendants tried to have the entire Jewish people exterminated. God knew this would occur, which is why He ordered their complete destruction in the first place. Same with the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.
I know the story. But Dan, that doesn't answer my question.
Why would a God who was a "life-giver" and who created the whole of mankind tell one group of his creation to "utterly destroy" another group of his creation; -even to all of them, -women, children, old people, -even the 'suckling babies?'"
Why is it so difficult to understand that this was a history of one group of people and as such is the way all people tend to record their history?
That is all that it is. It does not make any sense otherwise.
How can anyone believe that a god who acted in such a way would also be the kind of being that one would want to worship; - let alone emulate?
Not if they wanted to live a morally upright life themselves.
The people that lived in Canaan were neither innocent nor ignorant, they had heard about the God of Israel but had rejected Him. They had been committing terrible sins, immorality, pagan worship, and child sacrifice to Baal were widespread in Canaan. God destroyed them in order to protect Israel, the nation that would eventually produce the Messiah. God said, "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked" (Ezekiel 33:11), but after 400 years of abominable sin, His patience ended. No different than Noah's flood or the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah. God hates sin and there's nothing immoral about His decision to stop it.
Keep in mind that God kills everyone, but intervened a few times to expedite the process when the wickedness got too horrible. How could anyone believe in an unrighteous God who saw child sacrifice and didn't care or do anything about it? Nothing morally upright about that.
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Post by nathan on Mar 30, 2020 14:15:50 GMT -5
no one is suggesting that anyone is forgetting what came before but people can find joy again to some degree with new things in their life like a new set of 10 children for job and material things being replaced with new material things... Life goes on. I know that. The point is your god allowed satan to kill Job's children. He knew and gave permission. What a loving father. Say what you want. You believers always make excuses for the atrocities committed and allowed by your god. There are also several scientific and historical facts in the book of Job. The book implied the earth is round long before the advent of modern science (Job 22:14). The book mentions dinosaurs—not by that name, but the description of the behemoth is certainly dinosaur-like—living side by side with man (Job 40:15–24).The book of Job gives us a glimpse behind the veil that separates earthly life from the heavenly. In the beginning of the book, we see that Satan and his fallen angels are still allowed access to heaven, going in and out to the prescribed meetings that take place there. What is obvious from these accounts is that Satan is busy working his evil on earth, as recorded in Job 1:6–7. Also, this account shows how Satan is “the accuser of the brethren,” which corresponds to Revelation 12:10, and it shows his arrogance and pride, as written in Isaiah 14:13–14. It is amazing to see how Satan challenges God; he has no scruples about confronting the Most High. The account in Job shows Satan as he truly is—haughty and evil to the core.Perhaps the greatest lesson we learn from the book of Job is that God does not have to answer to anyone for what He does or does not do. Job’s experience teaches us that we may never know the specific reason for suffering, but we must trust in our sovereign, holy, righteous God. His ways are perfect (Psalm 18:30). Since God’s ways are perfect, we can trust that whatever He does—and whatever He allows—is also perfect. We can’t expect to understand God’s mind perfectly, as He reminds us, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways. . . . For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8–9). Our responsibility to God is to obey Him, to trust Him, and to submit to His will, whether we understand it or not. When we do, we will find God in the midst of our trials—possibly even because of our trials. We will see more clearly the magnificence of our God, and we will say, with Job, “My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you” (Job 42:5). www.gotquestions.org/life-Job.html
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Post by benar on Mar 31, 2020 20:28:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 20:41:09 GMT -5
as they say praise God and pass the ammunition...
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Post by benar on Mar 31, 2020 20:50:12 GMT -5
as they say praise God and pass the ammunition... What are you alluding to here, @wally?
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