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Post by nathan on Mar 28, 2020 0:12:08 GMT -5
Strange on most boards, but on this board, even with several other threads already started on the coronavrus, the TMB demolition crew have this one already switched off the topic of a believer who has (hopefully) temporarily taken a break from that demo crews' constant bashing of believers - onto the topic of the coronavirus. I am told that visitors are noticing that this board's former 2x2 atheist/evolutionists' practices are obvious - to harang/harass any believers who post on it to TRY to keep atheist/evolutionist majority control over this board. And since atheist/evolutionists have nothing to offer over 2x2ism, I am pleased to see that visitors are learning the ancient 2x2 practices used against their emenies to try to control them.
Hope STR wasn't too disgruntled, maybe she just needed a break. Sometimes people feel the need to constantly defend themselves, but its best to have a thick skin and let things slide. I was surprised at how many nonbelievers were here when I came onboard. Its hard to understand how so many could go from the Truth to atheism? I can understand why a person might have some disagreements with any church, but why throw the entire bible out in the process? I can only presume that they never had much faith in the first place. I personally don't mind the discussions, the versatility of perspectives and opinions keeps things interesting, but the nit-picking can be annoying. I suppose the question of STR's disappearance was asked and answered, so the topic drifted as they often do. Hope she chimes back in sometime.
Me too, I hope after a short period of break from posting she will come back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 0:15:38 GMT -5
Strange on most boards, but on this board, even with several other threads already started on the coronavrus, the TMB demolition crew have this one already switched off the topic of a believer who has (hopefully) temporarily taken a break from that demo crews' constant bashing of believers - onto the topic of the coronavirus. I am told that visitors are noticing that this board's former 2x2 atheist/evolutionists' practices are obvious - to harang/harass any believers who post on it to TRY to keep atheist/evolutionist majority control over this board. And since atheist/evolutionists have nothing to offer over 2x2ism, I am pleased to see that visitors are learning the ancient 2x2 practices used against their emenies to try to control them.
Hope STR wasn't too disgruntled, maybe she just needed a break. Sometimes people feel the need to constantly defend themselves, but its best to have a thick skin and let things slide. I was surprised at how many nonbelievers were here when I came onboard. Its hard to understand how so many could go from the Truth to atheism? I can understand why a person might have some disagreements with any church, but why throw the entire bible out in the process? I can only presume that they never had much faith in the first place. I personally don't mind the discussions, the versatility of perspectives and opinions keeps things interesting, but the nit-picking can be annoying. I suppose the question of STR's disappearance was asked and answered, so the topic drifted as they often do. Hope she chimes back in sometime.
i think for some atheists(one that i know)it came down to finding out about the truths origins. which ruined the term "the only way" so this person figured that if there was no "only way" there was NO WAY and off into atheism they went...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 28, 2020 0:16:46 GMT -5
Also, politicians who think they know more than scientists (Trump would be Exhibit A). Like most places, our NZ politicians were not acting fast enough but now are determined to beat the virus. We are in a four-week lock-down. We have to have a legitimate reason to be out of our homes. Police are enforcing it and can call on the military to back them up. We place a lot of value on freedom, but not when our freedom contributes to the death of fellow citizens.
Just curious, is everyone in New Zealand being paid to stay home for 4 weeks?
I wonder how long governments can pay everyone not to work and compensate businesses for their losses? If the virus isn't eradicated after a month, will they require another month of self-isolation?
Our federal reserve is printing trillions here in the USA, but no one has seen a dime yet. I tried to apply for a business loan, but there's no where to apply yet, my bank is even closed down.
I can't help but think that the financial and economic repercussions from these shut-downs are going to be devastating. Can we afford to financially out-last the virus? Will it disappear after 4 weeks?
Business closures, unemployment hits, and inflation will likely ensue. I suppose its worth it to save lives, but there's no guarantee COVID-19 will disappear after all this.
Wish I lived in a rich country like NZ right now . Wish our government was paying rent/mortgages, power, cable, phone, etc. I'd love to have a month vacation if someone else was paying the freight Our NZ govt is not paying the rent, mortgage, power, cable, phone etc. I do not know where you get that idea. There are wage subsidies in place for those working or in lock down. I doubt we are a rich country. We have had a succession of good govt's that have been prudent with the public purse. The cookie jar is going to be raided shortly as to get the country going again there will be a big spend up on infrastructure. Which in the case of hospitals and schools, roads and railways is a bit overdue. treasury.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2015-03/nzfpf-A5.pdf This act sets out the framework in which govt's here must work. It has been a help but can also be a hindrance.
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Post by benar on Mar 28, 2020 0:32:08 GMT -5
Just curious, is everyone in New Zealand being paid to stay home for 4 weeks?
I wonder how long governments can pay everyone not to work and compensate businesses for their losses? If the virus isn't eradicated after a month, will they require another month of self-isolation?
Our federal reserve is printing trillions here in the USA, but no one has seen a dime yet. I tried to apply for a business loan, but there's no where to apply yet, my bank is even closed down.
I can't help but think that the financial and economic repercussions from these shut-downs are going to be devastating. Can we afford to financially out-last the virus? Will it disappear after 4 weeks?
Business closures, unemployment hits, and inflation will likely ensue. I suppose its worth it to save lives, but there's no guarantee COVID-19 will disappear after all this.
Wish I lived in a rich country like NZ right now . Wish our government was paying rent/mortgages, power, cable, phone, etc. I'd love to have a month vacation if someone else was paying the freight My business landlord has given us free two months rent... Thanks, God. I wonder the same thing how can we businesses owners apply for gov't loans when all banks are closed down... Maybe apply on line, Dan? I can drop the business money in the drop box. I will try to ask the bank teller on Monday when can we apply for the gov't loans.
Your landlord gave you free rent, Nathan. Not God!
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Post by nathan on Mar 28, 2020 0:53:41 GMT -5
My business landlord has given us free two months rent... Thanks, God. I wonder the same thing how can we businesses owners apply for gov't loans when all banks are closed down... Maybe apply on line, Dan? I can drop the business money in the drop box. I will try to ask the bank teller on Monday when can we apply for the gov't loans.
Your landlord gave you free rent, Nathan. Not God! Thanks, God that I have good and a kind business landlord. If you knew my situation with my business, you will praise God for His insight in knowing the future. God has made my faith and Love for Him growing Stronger.
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Post by fixit on Mar 28, 2020 1:37:57 GMT -5
Your landlord gave you free rent, Nathan. Not God! Thanks, God that I have good and a kind business landlord. If you knew my situation with my business, you will praise God for His insight in knowing the future. God has made my faith and Love for Him growing Stronger.Just a thought Nathan, you could fire one of your staff if you didn't spend so much time on TMB?
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Post by benar on Mar 28, 2020 1:41:47 GMT -5
Your landlord gave you free rent, Nathan. Not God! Thanks, God that I have good and a kind business landlord. If you knew my situation with my business, you will praise God for His insight in knowing the future. God has made my faith and Love for Him growing Stronger.Nathan, how can we tell the difference between God helping you through the actions of your landlord and your landlord simply helping you through the good of his own heart?
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Post by fixit on Mar 28, 2020 1:43:33 GMT -5
Just curious, is everyone in New Zealand being paid to stay home for 4 weeks?
I wonder how long governments can pay everyone not to work and compensate businesses for their losses? If the virus isn't eradicated after a month, will they require another month of self-isolation? Our federal reserve is printing trillions here in the USA, but no one has seen a dime yet. I tried to apply for a business loan, but there's no where to apply yet, my bank is even closed down.
I can't help but think that the financial and economic repercussions from these shut-downs are going to be devastating. Can we afford to financially out-last the virus? Will it disappear after 4 weeks?
Business closures, unemployment hits, and inflation will likely ensue. I suppose its worth it to save lives, but there's no guarantee COVID-19 will disappear after all this. Wish I lived in a rich country like NZ right now . Wish our government was paying rent/mortgages, power, cable, phone, etc. I'd love to have a month vacation if someone else was paying the freight Our NZ govt is not paying the rent, mortgage, power, cable, phone etc. I do not know where you get that idea. There are wage subsidies in place for those working or in lock down. I doubt we are a rich country. We have had a succession of good govt's that have been prudent with the public purse. The cookie jar is going to be raided shortly as to get the country going again there will be a big spend up on infrastructure. Which in the case of hospitals and schools, roads and railways is a bit overdue. treasury.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2015-03/nzfpf-A5.pdf This act sets out the framework in which govt's here must work. It has been a help but can also be a hindrance. We have relatively low government debt so can afford to throw money at this from borrowings. My concern is that when we dust ourselves off at the end of this we'll find tax revenues have plummetted, our biggest export earner (tourism) has evaporated, and many other parts of the economy will be in tatters. As a nation we'll have to face a serious fall in our standard of living.
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Post by nathan on Mar 28, 2020 1:53:00 GMT -5
Thanks, God that I have good and a kind business landlord. If you knew my situation with my business, you will praise God for His insight in knowing the future. God has made my faith and Love for Him growing Stronger. Just a thought Nathan, you could fire one of your staff if you didn't spend so much time on TMB? My property owners let us stay home because of the Corona Virus for about a month... We are locked down. Will go back to work within the next 2 or 3 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 1:56:24 GMT -5
Strange on most boards, but on this board, even with several other threads already started on the coronavrus, the TMB demolition crew have this one already switched off the topic of a believer who has (hopefully) temporarily taken a break from that demo crews' constant bashing of believers - onto the topic of the coronavirus. I am told that visitors are noticing that this board's former 2x2 atheist/evolutionists' practices are obvious - to harang/harass any believers who post on it to TRY to keep atheist/evolutionist majority control over this board. And since atheist/evolutionists have nothing to offer over 2x2ism, I am pleased to see that visitors are learning the ancient 2x2 practices used against their emenies to try to control them.
Hope STR wasn't too disgruntled, maybe she just needed a break. Sometimes people feel the need to constantly defend themselves, but its best to have a thick skin and let things slide. I was surprised at how many nonbelievers were here when I came onboard. Its hard to understand how so many could go from the Truth to atheism? I can understand why a person might have some disagreements with any church, but why throw the entire bible out in the process? I can only presume that they never had much faith in the first place. I personally don't mind the discussions, the versatility of perspectives and opinions keeps things interesting, but the nit-picking can be annoying. I suppose the question of STR's disappearance was asked and answered, so the topic drifted as they often do. Hope she chimes back in sometime.
If you mistakenly believe that non believers here have gone from truth to atheism then it is inevitable that this is going to be difficult for you to understand. However if you accepted the reality of the situation in that people had actually gone from (a particularly peculiar wing of) Christianity to truth then you would have no difficulty understanding the road which non believers have taken. Not accepting reality is frequently the cause of much misunderstanding among believers. Wondering why a loving, caring God allows the coronavirus to cause so much havoc, pain and suffering across the world is just one example. And the reason the entire bible is thrown out is because the unbeliever has come to understand that the bible is merely a man made book full of made up stories and there is no rational basis for believing it (to be the word of God) whatsoever. Whereas the ex 2x2 believer comes to accept that they were conditioned and duped into believing the 2x2 doctrine and recognises that the 2x2 church is man made, that is as far as they are prepared to go in their quest for discovering the real truth. The ex 2x2 non believer however has gone a step further and has come to recognise that the entire Christian religion is man made including the 2x2 church, the other Christian churches, the bible and the Christian God. The ex 2x2 non believer has come to realise that their belief in the bible and the Christian God was a result of exactly the same religious conditioning and duplicity that led them to believe in the doctrine of 2x2ism. Essentially the ex 2x2 believer sees the 2x2 church as the problem whereas the ex 2x2 non believer sees the 2x2 church merely as a symptom of the problem and realises that it is the bible that is actually the problem as it is the bible that leads to false beliefs. That’s why they throw it out. Matt10
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Post by nathan on Mar 28, 2020 1:57:51 GMT -5
Thanks, God that I have good and a kind business landlord. If you knew my situation with my business, you will praise God for His insight in knowing the future. God has made my faith and Love for Him growing Stronger. Nathan, how can we tell the difference between God helping you through the actions of your landlord and your landlord simply helping you through the good of his own heart? I can write a book about it, so I know when God is helping us or the landlord plays a small part of His plans. This is truly amazing! Like God is parting the Red Sea for us to walk through on dry ground. That is all I want to say for now, too many of you like to nit picking and rip things apart. So, no need for me to share many of these personal experiences.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 28, 2020 2:31:43 GMT -5
Our NZ govt is not paying the rent, mortgage, power, cable, phone etc. I do not know where you get that idea. There are wage subsidies in place for those working or in lock down. I doubt we are a rich country. We have had a succession of good govt's that have been prudent with the public purse. The cookie jar is going to be raided shortly as to get the country going again there will be a big spend up on infrastructure. Which in the case of hospitals and schools, roads and railways is a bit overdue. treasury.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2015-03/nzfpf-A5.pdf This act sets out the framework in which govt's here must work. It has been a help but can also be a hindrance. We have relatively low government debt so can afford to throw money at this from borrowings. My concern is that when we dust ourselves off at the end of this we'll find tax revenues have plummetted, our biggest export earner (tourism) has evaporated, and many other parts of the economy will be in tatters. As a nation we'll have to face a serious fall in our standard of living. I agree, the govt's revenue will take a serious hit. I doubt that tourism will rise out of the ashes straight away. Parts of it such as the bloated cruise industry, airbnb and adventure tourism hopefully stay dead for a long time. Time to grow food, and industry that is not frivolous.
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Post by chuck on Mar 28, 2020 2:38:12 GMT -5
Thanks, God that I have good and a kind business landlord. If you knew my situation with my business, you will praise God for His insight in knowing the future. God has made my faith and Love for Him growing Stronger. Nathan, how can we tell the difference between God helping you through the actions of your landlord and your landlord simply helping you through the good of his own heart? The landlord knows God. And its not some dude in the sky!.
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 28, 2020 2:46:22 GMT -5
Unfortunately my work is classified as Essential, and am potentially exposed. Fortunately in our location, the number of Covid-19 cases is very low.
I have sure learned fast some new hygiene rituals!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 28, 2020 2:54:49 GMT -5
Unfortunately my work is classified as Essential, and am potentially exposed. Fortunately in our location, the number of Covid-19 cases is very low. I have sure learned fast some new hygiene rituals! I have been classed as essential as well. So I get to go out every day for a drive around the block. Our little town which used to have two million tourists pass through a year is now as dead as doughnut. There is no problem at the little supermarkets we have, the pharmacy and the petrol stations are also open although I go to a self service petrol station. Unfortunately hunting does not come under essential trips. I can bike up to the nearest canal for a fish. Only about 5km away. Today's salmon was a nice 4kg.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 28, 2020 3:47:13 GMT -5
Strange on most boards, but on this board, even with several other threads already started on the coronavrus, the TMB demolition crew have this one already switched off the topic of a believer who has (hopefully) temporarily taken a break from that demo crews' constant bashing of believers - onto the topic of the coronavirus. I am told that visitors are noticing that this board's former 2x2 atheist/evolutionists' practices are obvious - to harang/harass any believers who post on it to TRY to keep atheist/evolutionist majority control over this board. And since atheist/evolutionists have nothing to offer over 2x2ism, I am pleased to see that visitors are learning the ancient 2x2 practices used against their emenies to try to control them. Hope STR wasn't too disgruntled, maybe she just needed a break. Sometimes people feel the need to constantly defend themselves, but its best to have a thick skin and let things slide. I was surprised at how many nonbelievers were here when I came onboard. Its hard to understand how so many could go from the Truth to atheism? I can understand why a person might have some disagreements with any church, but why throw the entire bible out in the process? I can only presume that they never had much faith in the first place. I personally don't mind the discussions, the versatility of perspectives and opinions keeps things interesting, but the nit-picking can be annoying. I suppose the question of STR's disappearance was asked and answered, so the topic drifted as they often do. Hope she chimes back in sometime.
Dan, -Perhaps you really do find it "hard to understand how" how some of us could go from the "Truth to atheism." Perhaps the reason you can't understand is that you haven't listened some of our stories.
I, for one, -did look at many different churches.
After investigating the various different tenets and seeing how their differed, to try to decide which one had any TRUTH within it became a dilemma.
However, -it wasn't just "some disagreements" among them. It eventually came down to whether I could retain a believe that there was suspension of the laws of physics in order to resurrect a dead body.
I am a nurse. I have witnessed more deaths than I can even number. I have seen what happens when life leaves a body.
It simply made no sense to think that the laws of physics would be suspended even just once in order to resurrect a dead body!
Then upon reading about previous non-biblical accounts of resurrections in other religions in the history of mankind, I not only begin to question the accuracy of the narrative in the bible, I also begin to understand the reasons people wanted to believe in such impossible ideas.
Now, -Dan, -you can call what I post "nit-picking" all you like but when you say about us that: "I can only presume that they never had much faith in the first place."
THAT is a long way from mere "nitpicking!" It is typical of the kind of remarks that were often laid on us when we left the 2x2's!
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Post by Dan on Mar 28, 2020 13:07:10 GMT -5
Hope STR wasn't too disgruntled, maybe she just needed a break. Sometimes people feel the need to constantly defend themselves, but its best to have a thick skin and let things slide. I was surprised at how many nonbelievers were here when I came onboard. Its hard to understand how so many could go from the Truth to atheism? I can understand why a person might have some disagreements with any church, but why throw the entire bible out in the process? I can only presume that they never had much faith in the first place. I personally don't mind the discussions, the versatility of perspectives and opinions keeps things interesting, but the nit-picking can be annoying. I suppose the question of STR's disappearance was asked and answered, so the topic drifted as they often do. Hope she chimes back in sometime.
Dan, -Perhaps you really do find it "hard to understand how" how some of us could go from the "Truth to atheism." Perhaps the reason you can't understand is that you haven't listened some of our stories.
I, for one, -did look at many different churches.
After investigating the various different tenets and seeing how their differed, to try to decide which one had any TRUTH within it became a dilemma.
However, -it wasn't just "some disagreements" among them. It eventually came down to whether I could retain a believe that there was suspension of the laws of physics in order to resurrect a dead body.
I am a nurse. I have witnessed more deaths than I can even number. I have seen what happens when life leaves a body.
It simply made no sense to think that the laws of physics would be suspended even just once in order to resurrect a dead body!
Then upon reading about previous non-biblical accounts of resurrections in other religions in the history of mankind, I not only begin to question the accuracy of the narrative in the bible, I also begin to understand the reasons people wanted to believe in such impossible ideas.
Now, -Dan, -you can call what I post "nit-picking" all you like but when you say about us that: "I can only presume that they never had much faith in the first place."
THAT is a long way from mere "nitpicking!" It is typical of the kind of remarks that were often laid on us when we left the 2x2's!
I have heard how some here don't believe anymore because of how the bible conflicts with the laws of science, but that's why they are called miracles! Do you really think that an all-powerful God is bound by the laws of physics? "For with God nothing shall be impossible" (Luke 1:37). I understand how anyone can lose faith, its even a struggle for believers at times. But when someone is easily persuaded that the bible is not true, its not a stretch to conclude that they probably weren't totally convinced in the first place. I'm also aware that there is a difference in not having faith in any 'church' verses losing faith in God himself. My faith is in Christ, yours probably was too at one time, so it just seems illogical to thrown the baby out with the bath water simply because you became disgruntled with a group of people.
I also understand that many nonbelievers have replaced their once faith in God with faith in science (man). But for me, that's a dead end street and things like evolution require more faith to accept than Genesis 1. That's obviously not the case for you though, and that's your choice. Its why we're all here, to demonstrate what 'truth' we trust.. God is spirit, He doesn't just function in the physical realm that we are restricted to exist in, there is a undetectable parallel spiritual dimension that we aren't privy to, and I'm convince that no spiritual being dies with their flesh, only the One who created it has the power & authority to destroy it. Whether you trust evolution & the big bang or God/Christ & the bible, both require faith in the unobservable. The battle is physical vs spiritual, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:12). There's a real war going on, and I don't think its just with COVID-19.
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Post by nathan on Mar 28, 2020 13:19:54 GMT -5
Dan, -Perhaps you really do find it "hard to understand how" how some of us could go from the "Truth to atheism." Perhaps the reason you can't understand is that you haven't listened some of our stories.
I, for one, -did look at many different churches.
After investigating the various different tenets and seeing how their differed, to try to decide which one had any TRUTH within it became a dilemma.
However, -it wasn't just "some disagreements" among them. It eventually came down to whether I could retain a believe that there was suspension of the laws of physics in order to resurrect a dead body.
I am a nurse. I have witnessed more deaths than I can even number. I have seen what happens when life leaves a body.
It simply made no sense to think that the laws of physics would be suspended even just once in order to resurrect a dead body!
Then upon reading about previous non-biblical accounts of resurrections in other religions in the history of mankind, I not only begin to question the accuracy of the narrative in the bible, I also begin to understand the reasons people wanted to believe in such impossible ideas.
Now, -Dan, -you can call what I post "nit-picking" all you like but when you say about us that: "I can only presume that they never had much faith in the first place."
THAT is a long way from mere "nitpicking!" It is typical of the kind of remarks that were often laid on us when we left the 2x2's!
I have heard how some here don't believe anymore because of how the bible conflicts with the laws of science, but that's why they are called miracles! Do you really think that an all-powerful God is bound by the laws of physics? "For with God nothing shall be impossible" (Luke 1:37). I understand how anyone can lose faith, its even a struggle for believers at times. But when someone is easily persuaded that the bible is not true, its not a stretch to conclude that they probably weren't totally convinced in the first place. I'm also aware that there is a difference in not having faith in any 'church' verses losing faith in God himself. My faith is in Christ, yours probably was too at one time, so it just seems illogical to thrown the baby out with the bath water simply because you became disgruntled with a group of people.
I also understand that many nonbelievers have replaced their once faith in God with faith in science (man). But for me, that's a dead end street and things like evolution require more faith to accept than Genesis 1. That's obviously not the case for you though, and that's your choice. Its why we're all here, to demonstrate what 'truth' we trust.. God is spirit, He doesn't just function in the physical realm that we are restricted to exist in, there is a undetectable parallel spiritual dimension that we aren't privy to, and I'm convince that no spiritual being dies with their flesh, only the One who created it has the power & authority to destroy it. Whether you trust evolution & the big bang or God/Christ & the bible, both require faith in the unobservable. The battle is physical vs spiritual, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:12). There's a real war going on, and I don't think its just with COVID-19.
Amen, Dan..... That is what a few of us, STR, Wally, you and others have been trying to warn and educate people on TMB, but too many atheists who don't believe in God and good angels or Satan, fallen angels, and their evil children on earth creating all kinds of problems for humanity. They Keep on resisting that these things are myths, legends, and science fiction and so on...
So, we must agree to disagree... but the day is coming when these things manifest itself at Jesus 2nd coming as King of kings to reign on the earth 1000 years with His people then the whole world will KNOW this is not MYTH, legends, Science fiction... Jude 14-15 And Enoch (the Great grand father of Noah) also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
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Post by snow on Mar 28, 2020 14:57:49 GMT -5
Strange on most boards, but on this board, even with several other threads already started on the coronavrus, the TMB demolition crew have this one already switched off the topic of a believer who has (hopefully) temporarily taken a break from that demo crews' constant bashing of believers - onto the topic of the coronavirus. I am told that visitors are noticing that this board's former 2x2 atheist/evolutionists' practices are obvious - to harang/harass any believers who post on it to TRY to keep atheist/evolutionist majority control over this board. And since atheist/evolutionists have nothing to offer over 2x2ism, I am pleased to see that visitors are learning the ancient 2x2 practices used against their emenies to try to control them. Hope STR wasn't too disgruntled, maybe she just needed a break. Sometimes people feel the need to constantly defend themselves, but its best to have a thick skin and let things slide. I was surprised at how many nonbelievers were here when I came onboard. Its hard to understand how so many could go from the Truth to atheism? I can understand why a person might have some disagreements with any church, but why throw the entire bible out in the process? I can only presume that they never had much faith in the first place. I personally don't mind the discussions, the versatility of perspectives and opinions keeps things interesting, but the nit-picking can be annoying. I suppose the question of STR's disappearance was asked and answered, so the topic drifted as they often do. Hope she chimes back in sometime.
That's interesting. It was the opposite for me. I was very surprised to see how many ex 2x2's just went to another Christian church. I expected them to become an atheist or a different religion at least when they left. Why stay a Christian?
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Post by snow on Mar 28, 2020 15:05:01 GMT -5
Dan, -Perhaps you really do find it "hard to understand how" how some of us could go from the "Truth to atheism." Perhaps the reason you can't understand is that you haven't listened some of our stories.
I, for one, -did look at many different churches.
After investigating the various different tenets and seeing how their differed, to try to decide which one had any TRUTH within it became a dilemma.
However, -it wasn't just "some disagreements" among them. It eventually came down to whether I could retain a believe that there was suspension of the laws of physics in order to resurrect a dead body.
I am a nurse. I have witnessed more deaths than I can even number. I have seen what happens when life leaves a body.
It simply made no sense to think that the laws of physics would be suspended even just once in order to resurrect a dead body!
Then upon reading about previous non-biblical accounts of resurrections in other religions in the history of mankind, I not only begin to question the accuracy of the narrative in the bible, I also begin to understand the reasons people wanted to believe in such impossible ideas.
Now, -Dan, -you can call what I post "nit-picking" all you like but when you say about us that: "I can only presume that they never had much faith in the first place."
THAT is a long way from mere "nitpicking!" It is typical of the kind of remarks that were often laid on us when we left the 2x2's! I have heard how some here don't believe anymore because of how the bible conflicts with the laws of science, but that's why they are called miracles! Do you really think that an all-powerful God is bound by the laws of physics? "For with God nothing shall be impossible" (Luke 1:37). I understand how anyone can lose faith, its even a struggle for believers at times. But when someone is easily persuaded that the bible is not true, its not a stretch to conclude that they probably weren't totally convinced in the first place. I'm also aware that there is a difference in not having faith in any 'church' verses losing faith in God himself. My faith is in Christ, yours probably was too at one time, so it just seems illogical to thrown the baby out with the bath water simply because you became disgruntled with a group of people.
I also understand that many nonbelievers have replaced their once faith in God with faith in science (man). But for me, that's a dead end street and things like evolution require more faith to accept than Genesis 1. That's obviously not the case for you though, and that's your choice. Its why we're all here, to demonstrate what 'truth' we trust.. God is spirit, He doesn't just function in the physical realm that we are restricted to exist in, there is a undetectable parallel spiritual dimension that we aren't privy to, and I'm convince that no spiritual being dies with their flesh, only the One who created it has the power & authority to destroy it. Whether you trust evolution & the big bang or God/Christ & the bible, both require faith in the unobservable. The battle is physical vs spiritual, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:12). There's a real war going on, and I don't think its just with COVID-19.
Your God seems to be bound by a lot of things. He can't seem to do anything in the real world never mind breaking the law of physics. In all aspects he is totally useless when it comes to the physical world. It seems the only thing he is good for is comforting those who want to live forever in a place where they get everything they want.
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Post by nathan on Mar 28, 2020 15:36:48 GMT -5
I have heard how some here don't believe anymore because of how the bible conflicts with the laws of science, but that's why they are called miracles! Do you really think that an all-powerful God is bound by the laws of physics? "For with God nothing shall be impossible" (Luke 1:37). I understand how anyone can lose faith, its even a struggle for believers at times. But when someone is easily persuaded that the bible is not true, its not a stretch to conclude that they probably weren't totally convinced in the first place. I'm also aware that there is a difference in not having faith in any 'church' verses losing faith in God himself. My faith is in Christ, yours probably was too at one time, so it just seems illogical to thrown the baby out with the bath water simply because you became disgruntled with a group of people.
I also understand that many nonbelievers have replaced their once faith in God with faith in science (man). But for me, that's a dead end street and things like evolution require more faith to accept than Genesis 1. That's obviously not the case for you though, and that's your choice. Its why we're all here, to demonstrate what 'truth' we trust.. God is spirit, He doesn't just function in the physical realm that we are restricted to exist in, there is a undetectable parallel spiritual dimension that we aren't privy to, and I'm convince that no spiritual being dies with their flesh, only the One who created it has the power & authority to destroy it. Whether you trust evolution & the big bang or God/Christ & the bible, both require faith in the unobservable. The battle is physical vs spiritual, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:12). There's a real war going on, and I don't think its just with COVID-19.
Your God seems to be bound by a lot of things. He can't seem to do anything in the real world never mind breaking the law of physics. In all aspects he is totally useless when it comes to the physical world. It seems the only thing he is good for is comforting those who want to live forever in a place where they get everything they want. God does a lot of things in the real world but MOST people call it science fiction, Myth, legend so they don't believe any of it.
Go to General board to snow: thread we are discussing these science fact, Myth and legends there.
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Post by snow on Mar 28, 2020 16:03:04 GMT -5
Your God seems to be bound by a lot of things. He can't seem to do anything in the real world never mind breaking the law of physics. In all aspects he is totally useless when it comes to the physical world. It seems the only thing he is good for is comforting those who want to live forever in a place where they get everything they want. God does a lot of things in the real world but MOST people call it science fiction, Myth, legend so they don't believe any of it.
I have yet to see anything that has been directly related to something that isn't in the physical world. People do good things for other people.
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Post by nathan on Mar 28, 2020 16:21:27 GMT -5
God does a lot of things in the real world but MOST people call it science fiction, Myth, legend so they don't believe any of it.
I have yet to see anything that has been directly related to something that isn't in the physical world. People do good things for other people. I have tried to show you and the readers in the past but you and them don't believe it and some called it Science Fiction on the main page.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 28, 2020 17:20:00 GMT -5
I have yet to see anything that has been directly related to something that isn't in the physical world. People do good things for other people. I have tried to show you and the readers in the past but you and them don't believe it and some called it Science Fiction on the main page. Poorly written science fiction.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 19:48:12 GMT -5
Hope STR wasn't too disgruntled, maybe she just needed a break. Sometimes people feel the need to constantly defend themselves, but its best to have a thick skin and let things slide. I was surprised at how many nonbelievers were here when I came onboard. Its hard to understand how so many could go from the Truth to atheism? I can understand why a person might have some disagreements with any church, but why throw the entire bible out in the process? I can only presume that they never had much faith in the first place. I personally don't mind the discussions, the versatility of perspectives and opinions keeps things interesting, but the nit-picking can be annoying. I suppose the question of STR's disappearance was asked and answered, so the topic drifted as they often do. Hope she chimes back in sometime.
That's interesting. It was the opposite for me. I was very surprised to see how many ex 2x2's just went to another Christian church. I expected them to become an atheist or a different religion at least when they left. Why stay a Christian? It is easy to blame nonbelievers, but always remember we were once believers. We understand you, maybe you don't understand us. 2x2ism does have an affect on people's minds.It tends to make them introverts, timid and have a lack of social skills. They are not up to the cut and thrust of daily life. And it is hard to get away from this, even after 50 years away from it, I try to avoid people. I let my Wife do the talking, her career in Nursing has helped her confidence. It is because of this lack of confidence that 2x2's have left this forum. Not many left now. It is not a takeover by nonbelievers, but rather the 2x2's do not want to engage in debate. After all it is the "Perfect Way", so they are not going to tolerate any criticism. But believe you me WI did get a few things wrong and those of us who understand this, will point it out. WI did say it was an experiment, so the more that contribute, the better the end result. We have to comply with social distancing now because of Covid-19. The social distancing we had imposed on us as 2x2's was ridiculous, compete separation, lock yourself in a bubble. Gratu has a problem with confidence, he deletes his posts. Not normal TMB behaviour. Strange but we can understand.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 28, 2020 20:18:35 GMT -5
Well Quebec has police at border crossings . Beat that gaseous orange blob to the punch . We don’t want you Donald . We want a wall , that kills the virus 🦠 and you cannot climb it , your paying ! Canadians are not always polite Trump
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Post by CherieKropp on Mar 28, 2020 20:44:38 GMT -5
Hope STR wasn't too disgruntled, maybe she just needed a break. Sometimes people feel the need to constantly defend themselves, but its best to have a thick skin and let things slide. I was surprised at how many nonbelievers were here when I came onboard. Its hard to understand how so many could go from the Truth to atheism? I can understand why a person might have some disagreements with any church, but why throw the entire bible out in the process? I can only presume that they never had much faith in the first place. I personally don't mind the discussions, the versatility of perspectives and opinions keeps things interesting, but the nit-picking can be annoying. I suppose the question of STR's disappearance was asked and answered, so the topic drifted as they often do. Hope she chimes back in sometime.
That's interesting. It was the opposite for me. I was very surprised to see how many ex 2x2's just went to another Christian church. I expected them to become an atheist or a different religion at least when they left. Why stay a Christian? snow The reason many ex-2x2s remain Christians is because we were not unhappy with Christianity or God. We are/were totally OK with Christianity and wanted to continue to use the Bible as our standard and to follow the NT teachings. We felt the workers were not doing this in various areas. We were unhappy with various things: the Workers administration, unnecessary rules and government of the friends, deceit over the founder and beginnings, CSA, divorce and remarriage, etc. Unhappy and disappointed that in a church that claimed they were the church that most closely followed the NT teachings--yet in many areas, this was not true. We were seriously disappointed in the 2x2 leaders and their method they claimed was God's only right way. Maybe this will help you understand...
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Post by fixit on Mar 28, 2020 20:53:12 GMT -5
Well Quebec has police at border crossings . Beat that gaseous orange blob to the punch . We don’t want you Donald . We want a wall , that kills the virus 🦠 and you cannot climb it , your paying ! Canadians are not always polite Trump Maybe Trump was right all along - that Mexico will pay for the wall.
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