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Post by wally on Mar 27, 2020 18:36:53 GMT -5
look around you...with over a trillion "coincidences" just on our planet alone, i am not buying it was an random accident.... But you are 'buying' that it was the Christian God. We don't know why anything exists. Saying it was because of your particular God doesn't make sense. It's not a valid explanation. actually it makes perfect sense ID and God are far more believable than some random event where non life became life after an explosion.... |
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Post by snow on Mar 27, 2020 18:43:40 GMT -5
But you are 'buying' that it was the Christian God. We don't know why anything exists. Saying it was because of your particular God doesn't make sense. It's not a valid explanation. actually it makes perfect sense ID and God are far more believable than some random event where non life became life after an explosion.... Why? What is so believable about a God that just exists and then makes life? I truly don't see that as believable. There may be a higher power that is responsible for everything but why do you think it's a personal God? |
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Post by wally on Mar 27, 2020 18:48:49 GMT -5
actually it makes perfect sense ID and God are far more believable than some random event where non life became life after an explosion.... Why? What is so believable about a God that just exists and then makes life? I truly don't see that as believable. There may be a higher power that is responsible for everything but why do you think it's a personal God? why would God create life and then ignore it or not interact with it? most people don't procreate and then ignore or fail to interact with their children so i can't see why God would not do the same for us.... |
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Post by snow on Mar 27, 2020 19:05:22 GMT -5
Why? What is so believable about a God that just exists and then makes life? I truly don't see that as believable. There may be a higher power that is responsible for everything but why do you think it's a personal God? why would God create life and then ignore it or not interact with it? most people don't procreate and then ignore or fail to interact with their children so i can't see why God would not do the same for us.... Name one way that this God interacts with us? Other than people feeling like they are talking to him and he's talking to them in what way does he interact at all? He certainly doesn't step in when things really could use an all powerful being. What use is he? If he is just a higher power that is not a personal god, that would be more in line with what we see. No interaction. |
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Post by matisse on Mar 27, 2020 19:20:26 GMT -5
I think of the evolution of human beings from much simpler organisms as a glimmer of just how long a stretch of time 4.5 billion years is.
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Post by wally on Mar 27, 2020 20:34:02 GMT -5
why would God create life and then ignore it or not interact with it? most people don't procreate and then ignore or fail to interact with their children so i can't see why God would not do the same for us.... Name one way that this God interacts with us? Other than people feeling like they are talking to him and he's talking to them in what way does he interact at all? He certainly doesn't step in when things really could use an all powerful being. What use is he? If he is just a higher power that is not a personal god, that would be more in line with what we see. No interaction. the bible is rife with God interacting with us but then you don't believe in testimonies as evidence, and thats a shame...and many including myself would say God has been interacting with us for the last 2000 years i know he's interacted with me but you wont take my testimony as evidence...and would dismiss anything else as chance...you should watch the Movie "Against all odds: israel survives" plenty of interaction there...which you'll probably dismiss as chance... www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsN5bqVzX341 hour 37 minutes long |
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Post by snow on Mar 27, 2020 20:38:12 GMT -5
Name one way that this God interacts with us? Other than people feeling like they are talking to him and he's talking to them in what way does he interact at all? He certainly doesn't step in when things really could use an all powerful being. What use is he? If he is just a higher power that is not a personal god, that would be more in line with what we see. No interaction. the bible is rife with God interacting with us but then you don't believe in testimonies as evidence, and thats a shame...and many including myself would say God has been interacting with us for the last 2000 years i know he's interacted with me but you wont take my testimony as evidence...and would dismiss anything else as chance...you should watch the Movie "Against all odds: israel survives" plenty of interaction there...which you'll probably dismiss as chance... No, I wouldn't. I just need more. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2020 20:52:47 GMT -5
No not really location. I would think God would have no location. More where is there any evidence of God? Why does this world operate as though there is not a loving caring all powerful essence? It's a world where an atheist and a theist have the same experience physically. look around you...with over a trillion "coincidences" just on our planet alone, i am not buying it was an random accident....
"A coincidence is a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances that have no apparent causal connection with one another. "
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Post by wally on Mar 27, 2020 21:09:10 GMT -5
look around you...with over a trillion "coincidences" just on our planet alone, i am not buying it was an random accident....
"A coincidence is a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances that have no apparent causal connection with one another. "
the creation of every blade of grass, tree, plant, bug, animal, fish, human, grain of sand, mountain range...etc...etc...all just coincidences according to the big bang and evilution |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2020 21:20:13 GMT -5
Why? What is so believable about a God that just exists and then makes life? I truly don't see that as believable. There may be a higher power that is responsible for everything but why do you think it's a personal God? why would God create life and then ignore it or not interact with it? most people don't procreate and then ignore or fail to interact with their children so i can't see why God would not do the same for us....
Christians call GOD their "heavenly father," -they believe that GOD made them in his image.
But the way that GOD has treated those that he supposedly made in his image has NOT acted very fatherly!
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2020 23:22:03 GMT -5
What do you believe are "coincidences," wally?
"A coincidence is a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances that have no apparent causal connection with one another. "
the creation of every blade of grass, tree, plant, bug, animal, fish, human, grain of sand, mountain range...etc...etc...all just coincidences according to the big bang and evilution
Surely, wally you don't believe that a "mountain range" suddenly popped up out of the ground already formed just as we see it now!
We can see some geological features of our world change before our eyes.
But whether you can see it or not believe it or not, just because you can't see it -viruses, bacterium, etc. also change.
*coincidence
A coincidence is a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances that have no apparent causal connection with one another.
The perception of remarkable coincidences may lead to supernatural, occult, or paranormal claims.
Or it may lead to belief in fatalism, which is a doctrine that events will happen in the exact manner of a predetermined plan from wiki
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Post by wally on Mar 27, 2020 23:27:07 GMT -5
the creation of every blade of grass, tree, plant, bug, animal, fish, human, grain of sand, mountain range...etc...etc...all just coincidences according to the big bang and evilution
Surely, wally you don't believe that a "mountain range" suddenly popped up out of the ground already formed just as we see it now!
We can see some geological features of our world change before our eyes.
But whether you can see it or not believe it or not, just because you can't see it -viruses, bacterium, etc. also change.
*coincidence
A coincidence is a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances that have no apparent causal connection with one another.
The perception of remarkable coincidences may lead to supernatural, occult, or paranormal claims.
Or it may lead to belief in fatalism, which is a doctrine that events will happen in the exact manner of a predetermined plan from wiki
sorry but everything works together to well or coincidental to each other for it to all be an accident, your gonna have to sell that to someone other than I... |
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 27, 2020 23:44:44 GMT -5
No, Wally, -actually "every blade of grass, tree, plant, bug, animal, fish, human, grain of sand, mountain range" -does NOT change instantly by "coincidence"* but has a long history behind each.
Surely, wally you don't believe that a "mountain range" suddenly popped up out of the ground already formed just as we see it now!
We can see some geological features of our world change before our eyes.
But whether you can see it or not believe it or not, just because you can't see it -viruses, bacterium, etc. also change.
*coincidence
A coincidence is a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances that have no apparent causal connection with one another.
The perception of remarkable coincidences may lead to supernatural, occult, or paranormal claims.
Or it may lead to belief in fatalism, which is a doctrine that events will happen in the exact manner of a predetermined plan from wiki
sorry but everything works together to well or coincidental to each other for it to all be an accident, your gonna have to sell that to someone other than I... Its called deep time.. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2020 23:57:52 GMT -5
Name one way that this God interacts with us? Other than people feeling like they are talking to him and he's talking to them in what way does he interact at all? He certainly doesn't step in when things really could use an all powerful being. What use is he? If he is just a higher power that is not a personal god, that would be more in line with what we see. No interaction. the bible is rife with God interacting with us but then you don't believe in testimonies as evidence, and thats a shame...and many including myself would say God has been interacting with us for the last 2000 years i know he's interacted with me but you wont take my testimony as evidence...and would dismiss anything else as chance...you should watch the Movie "Against all odds: israel survives" plenty of interaction there...which you'll probably dismiss as chance...
People are not purposely being deceptive to others or even to themselves.
I know they truly believe what they think has happened to them , just as I once also did.
But each person's "personal" experience is theirs only and may even be counter with someone else's "personal" experience.
There is a reason that we want to believe that someone is in control & is "interacting with us."
We want very much to believe that there is someone in control in this chaotic world in which we have to live.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 28, 2020 4:26:33 GMT -5
No, Wally, -actually "every blade of grass, tree, plant, bug, animal, fish, human, grain of sand, mountain range" -does NOT change instantly by "coincidence"* but has a long history behind each.
Surely, wally you don't believe that a "mountain range" suddenly popped up out of the ground already formed just as we see it now!
We can see some geological features of our world change before our eyes.
But whether you can see it or not believe it or not, just because you can't see it -viruses, bacterium, etc. also change.
*coincidence
A coincidence is a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances that have no apparent causal connection with one another.
The perception of remarkable coincidences may lead to supernatural, occult, or paranormal claims.
Or it may lead to belief in fatalism, which is a doctrine that events will happen in the exact manner of a predetermined plan from wiki
sorry but everything works together to well or coincidental to each other for it to all be an accident, your gonna have to sell that to someone other than I...
Evolution is "things that work together" which produces a life form that can reproduce and survive.
There is nothing "accidental" about it.  |
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Post by wally on Mar 28, 2020 13:52:08 GMT -5
sorry but everything works together to well or coincidental to each other for it to all be an accident, your gonna have to sell that to someone other than I...
Evolution is "things that work together" which produces a life form that can reproduce and survive.
There is nothing "accidental" about it. oh, so the big bang was "planned" and evilution "thinks"? or visa versa... |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 29, 2020 21:50:20 GMT -5
Actually, wally you are describing evolution.
Evolution is "things that work together" which produces a life form that can reproduce and survive.
There is nothing "accidental" about it. oh, so the big bang was "planned" and evilution "thinks"? or visa versa... The big bang had no input into the big bang. It happened. End of story. I don't know where you get the idea that evolution thinks. Is this an example of the muddled thinking of the religious. |
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Post by wally on Mar 29, 2020 21:54:23 GMT -5
oh, so the big bang was "planned" and evilution "thinks"? or visa versa... The big bang had no input into the big bang. It happened. End of story. I don't know where you get the idea that evolution thinks. Is this an example of the muddled thinking of the religious. well if its not an "accident" as dmmichgood says then it must be planned or thinking about what it wants to do next....its science that is muddled a lot of the time.... |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 29, 2020 22:10:45 GMT -5
The big bang had no input into the big bang. It happened. End of story. I don't know where you get the idea that evolution thinks. Is this an example of the muddled thinking of the religious. well if its not an "accident" as dmmichgood says then it must be planned or thinking about what it wants to do next....its science that is muddled a lot of the time.... Back to school for you. |
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Post by wally on Mar 29, 2020 22:22:19 GMT -5
well if its not an "accident" as dmmichgood says then it must be planned or thinking about what it wants to do next....its science that is muddled a lot of the time.... Back to school for you. you might want to re-enroll yourself... |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 29, 2020 23:02:27 GMT -5
you might want to re-enroll yourself... Ever since I realized the bible was horse manure I have been doing distance learning courses on biology botany and geology. You could try it sometime. At the very least you would get to learn what wood burns best when you are piling wood around one of your victims tied to the stake. |
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Post by wally on Mar 29, 2020 23:31:33 GMT -5
you might want to re-enroll yourself... Ever since I realized the bible was horse manure I have been doing distance learning courses on biology botany and geology. You could try it sometime. At the very least you would get to learn what wood burns best when you are piling wood around one of your victims tied to the stake. at best that would make you an amatuer like the rest of us on those matters. i am sure your pacifist until your don't want to be a pacifist stance will come into play when they finally persecute the saints in the holy land of NZ...you'll be right there pushing them into the lion den along with all the rest of them.... |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 29, 2020 23:34:00 GMT -5
Ever since I realized the bible was horse manure I have been doing distance learning courses on biology botany and geology. You could try it sometime. At the very least you would get to learn what wood burns best when you are piling wood around one of your victims tied to the stake. at best that would make you an amatuer like the rest of us on those matters. i am sure your pacifist until your don't want to be a pacifist stance will come into play when they finally persecute the saints in the holy land of NZ...you'll be right there pushing them into the lion den along with all the rest of them.... You do have some strange fantasies! |
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 29, 2020 23:40:44 GMT -5
Ever since I realized the bible was horse manure I have been doing distance learning courses on biology botany and geology. You could try it sometime. At the very least you would get to learn what wood burns best when you are piling wood around one of your victims tied to the stake. at best that would make you an amatuer like the rest of us on those matters. i am sure your pacifist until your don't want to be a pacifist stance will come into play when they finally persecute the saints in the holy land of NZ...you'll be right there pushing them into the lion den along with all the rest of them.... Anyone with education on those matters will be a few a levels above any Christian on here. What you just said is a good example of how little education means to a Christian.. I guess you don’t need an education to get into heaven but no education only makes you look stupid in this world. Your a great example of this. If there’s an amateur here when it comes to biology or geology, it’s you. |
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Post by wally on Mar 29, 2020 23:46:05 GMT -5
at best that would make you an amatuer like the rest of us on those matters. i am sure your pacifist until your don't want to be a pacifist stance will come into play when they finally persecute the saints in the holy land of NZ...you'll be right there pushing them into the lion den along with all the rest of them.... Anyone with education on those matters will be a few a levels above any Christian on here. What you just said is a good example of how little education means to a Christian.. I guess you don’t need an education to get into heaven but no education only makes you look stupid in this world. Your a great example of this. If there’s an amateur here when it comes to biology or geology, it’s you. Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. better a babe in heaven than an idjitcated adult in hell i say.... |
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 29, 2020 23:55:34 GMT -5
Anyone with education on those matters will be a few a levels above any Christian on here. What you just said is a good example of how little education means to a Christian.. I guess you don’t need an education to get into heaven but no education only makes you look stupid in this world. Your a great example of this. If there’s an amateur here when it comes to biology or geology, it’s you. Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. better a babe in heaven than an idjitcated adult in hell i say.... Why don’t you explain that to your next boss when they tell you your too inexperienced for the job.. In real life, your way of thinking doesn’t work. |
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Post by wally on Mar 30, 2020 0:06:13 GMT -5
Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. better a babe in heaven than an idjitcated adult in hell i say.... Why don’t you explain that to your next boss when they tell you your too experienced for the job.. In real life, your way of thinking doesn’t work. i think you meant lacking in experience for the job... |
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 30, 2020 0:08:04 GMT -5
Why don’t you explain that to your next boss when they tell you your too experienced for the job.. In real life, your way of thinking doesn’t work. i think you meant lacking in experience for the job... Yes my apologies, I will edit that. I think you can understand though that your other post isn’t the best way to go about things in the real world.. |
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