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Post by iam on Mar 22, 2020 16:48:20 GMT -5
Are you offended speak? I am just speaking the truth that has been revealed to ME. It's not your truth, that is obvious. That doesn't bother me. But the truth I have DOES seem to hit a nerve with you. So be it. Revealed to you? It is written in the Bible But when you want to spout truth do it honestly not with a judgmental attitude. That is the offence. You're not an offence? Oh really. They hated Jesus for spouting the truth. Killed him because of the truth he spoke that was revealed to him. Deja vu.
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Post by chuck on Mar 22, 2020 17:13:04 GMT -5
It's not a trick question. Is professing nesscersay for salvation? Professing Christ is your Lord and master, yes. So which bit of the professing ritual makes Christ's sacrifice effective enough to save you?.
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Post by chuck on Mar 22, 2020 17:14:49 GMT -5
The only unwillingness going on here is the answering of a question. Edit, this is a common repsonse when on the defensive. I would urge you to drop this tactic wether you do it knowingly or subconsciously because it is spiritual abuse. Remember I have asked questions as well which you have neglected to answer. Your edit makes no sense. Were have I suggested that publicly showing your trust in Christ's completed sacrifice is a bad thing?.
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Post by speak on Mar 22, 2020 17:24:50 GMT -5
Professing Christ is your Lord and master, yes. So which bit of the professing ritual makes Christ's sacrifice effective enough to save you?. Your public acceptance of Him.
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Post by speak on Mar 22, 2020 17:26:15 GMT -5
Revealed to you? It is written in the Bible But when you want to spout truth do it honestly not with a judgmental attitude. That is the offence. You're not an offence? Oh really. They hated Jesus for spouting the truth. Killed him because of the truth he spoke that was revealed to him. Deja vu. This weird I have no wish to continue this conversation thanks but no thanks.
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Post by Annan on Mar 22, 2020 18:03:36 GMT -5
I feel sorry for the folks that have to quarantine with the workers. Why? If love is there then there is no problem. As a kid growing up in the 2x2's, I always felt I was under a microscope. No one acted normally in my family when the workers were there. We all walked on eggshells. My mother washed the bed sheets, cleaned the house, cooked the meal. The men workers did nothing to help. Women workers offered to help, but sometimes having people underfoot is no help at all. I only know what I saw as a kid growing up. I did know a few of very nice workers. Willie Beacom, Lindford Bledsoe, and some guy from Poland. I remember them fondly.
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Post by fixit on Mar 22, 2020 18:06:39 GMT -5
Why? If love is there then there is no problem. As a kid growing up in the 2x2's, I always felt I was under a microscope. No one acted normally in my family when the workers were there. We all walked on eggshells. My mother washed the bed sheets, cleaned the house, cooked the meal. The men workers did nothing to help. Women workers offered to help, but sometimes having people underfoot is no help at all. I only know what I saw as a kid growing up. I did know a few of very nice workers. Willie Beacom, Lindford Bledsoe, and some guy from Poland. I remember them fondly. Lindford has been active on the internet. Would he be quite old now?
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Post by Annan on Mar 22, 2020 18:13:21 GMT -5
As a kid growing up in the 2x2's, I always felt I was under a microscope. No one acted normally in my family when the workers were there. We all walked on eggshells. My mother washed the bed sheets, cleaned the house, cooked the meal. The men workers did nothing to help. Women workers offered to help, but sometimes having people underfoot is no help at all. I only know what I saw as a kid growing up. I did know a few of very nice workers. Willie Beacom, Lindford Bledsoe, and some guy from Poland. I remember them fondly. Lindford has been active on the internet. Would he be quite old now? Yeah I guess he would be up there in years. He has a facebook page, but I have been unable to contact him. He lives a bit north of me in my state. My parents thought well of him. I wanted to let him know my mother passed away a little over a year ago.
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Post by chuck on Mar 22, 2020 18:31:43 GMT -5
So which bit of the professing ritual makes Christ's sacrifice effective enough to save you?. Your public acceptance of Him. So it's a ritual that saves you!. The finished work of Christ is not good enough for you unless you perform a ritual in a gospel meeting?.
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Post by Annan on Mar 22, 2020 18:37:36 GMT -5
Your public acceptance of Him. So it's a ritual that saves you!. The finished work of Christ is not good enough for you unless you perform a ritual in a gospel meeting?. Have to say I was thinking that myself.
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Post by chuck on Mar 22, 2020 18:41:30 GMT -5
The only unwillingness going on here is the answering of a question. Edit, this is a common repsonse when on the defensive. I would urge you to drop this tactic wether you do it knowingly or subconsciously because it is spiritual abuse. Remember I have asked questions as well which you have neglected to answer. Your edit makes no sense. Of course it doesn't. But you should seriously think about it until it does. "I think this is coming from somewhere else, unwillingness maybe."
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Post by fixit on Mar 22, 2020 18:56:51 GMT -5
Your public acceptance of Him. So it's a ritual that saves you!. The finished work of Christ is not good enough for you unless you perform a ritual in a gospel meeting?. Can you remind us of what, in your opinion, is required?
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Post by chuck on Mar 22, 2020 19:01:46 GMT -5
You would agree that it means nothing for our salvation?. no, you must profess/be born again/accept christ to be saved...you don't get to heaven by osmosis... So a public ritual is required for salvation?.
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Post by fixit on Mar 22, 2020 19:16:02 GMT -5
no, you must profess/be born again/accept christ to be saved...you don't get to heaven by osmosis... So a public ritual is required for salvation?. Sorry if you've already said it, but I'm not clear on your personal opinion of what is required.
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Post by chuck on Mar 22, 2020 19:16:55 GMT -5
So it's a ritual that saves you!. The finished work of Christ is not good enough for you unless you perform a ritual in a gospel meeting?. Can you remind us of what, in your opinion, is required? Trust that Christ's blood has already made you right before God. Anything over and above that is a reaction to recognizing Christ's salvation was effective before the foundation of the world. If it is a conscious effort to finish your salvation what do you need Christ for?. 41 “Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii, and the other fifty.42 Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?” - Luke 7:41-42 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke7:41-42&version=NIVAnything you do mentally or physically to contribute to your salvation is trampling on the blood of the lamb. It is finished!, the priest has sat down!. Salvation is not a transaction. It is a gift from the grace of God.
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Post by fixit on Mar 22, 2020 19:27:56 GMT -5
Can you remind us of what, in your opinion, is required? Trust that Christ's blood has already made you right before God. Anything over and above that is a reaction to recognizing Christ's salvation was effective before the foundation of the world. If it is a conscious effort to finish your salvation what do you need Christ for?. 41 “Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii, and the other fifty.42 Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?” - Luke 7:41-42 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke7:41-42&version=NIVAnything you do mentally or physically to contribute to your salvation is trampling on the blood of the lamb. It is finished!, the priest has sat down!. Salvation is not a transaction. It is a gift from the grace of God. Thanks for taking the time to state your position Chuck. Can you see a contradiction here? If you're not doing it mentally or physically, how can you trust that Christ's blood has already made you right before God?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 20:10:12 GMT -5
no, you must profess/be born again/accept christ to be saved...you don't get to heaven by osmosis... So a public ritual is required for salvation?. they did it in the NT mainly through public baptism but others in the NT made it with a public stance....
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Post by chuck on Mar 22, 2020 20:22:25 GMT -5
Trust that Christ's blood has already made you right before God. Anything over and above that is a reaction to recognizing Christ's salvation was effective before the foundation of the world. If it is a conscious effort to finish your salvation what do you need Christ for?. 41 “Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii, and the other fifty.42 Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?” - Luke 7:41-42 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke7:41-42&version=NIVAnything you do mentally or physically to contribute to your salvation is trampling on the blood of the lamb. It is finished!, the priest has sat down!. Salvation is not a transaction. It is a gift from the grace of God. Thanks for taking the time to state your position Chuck. Can you see a contradiction here? If you're not doing it mentally or physically, how can you trust that Christ's blood has already made you right before God? Doing what mentally or physically, Trusting you were already saved or contributing to being saved?. Where is the contradiction?. This is how James is commonly misinterpreted. People think faith is tied to doing more, doing better, trying harder, suffering more, sacrificing more, dying to self all in a effort to earn Gods favour,l or your faith without good works means you lose salvation. The gospel is you already have it!.(salvation) What's your reaction to the good news 😁.
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Post by fixit on Mar 22, 2020 20:27:48 GMT -5
Thanks for taking the time to state your position Chuck. Can you see a contradiction here? If you're not doing it mentally or physically, how can you trust that Christ's blood has already made you right before God? Doing what mentally or physically, Trusting you were already saved or contributing to being saved?. Where is the contradiction?. This is how James is commonly misinterpreted. People think faith is tied to doing more, doing better, trying harder, suffering more, sacrificing more, dying to self all in a effort to earn Gods favour,l or your faith without good works means you lose salvation. The gospel is you already have it!.(salvation) What's your reaction to the good news 😁. You are saying you have to trust. Isn't that doing something mentally?
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Post by chuck on Mar 22, 2020 20:54:40 GMT -5
Doing what mentally or physically, Trusting you were already saved or contributing to being saved?. Where is the contradiction?. This is how James is commonly misinterpreted. People think faith is tied to doing more, doing better, trying harder, suffering more, sacrificing more, dying to self all in a effort to earn Gods favour,l or your faith without good works means you lose salvation. The gospel is you already have it!.(salvation) What's your reaction to the good news 😁. You are saying you have to trust. Isn't that doing something mentally? Is trusting mentally or physically earning? or accepting what already is?. The two with the debt they could not pay, did they trust the one they owed cancelled their debt? or did they go around seeking his favour just incase he changed his mind in what was already done?.
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Post by fixit on Mar 22, 2020 21:14:40 GMT -5
Here's how I see it Chuck...
An academic acceptance of biblical words is missing the mark unless you hear and obey God's call.
If one has heard God's call and is obeying him, what is done in response to that call is between the called and the caller.
Romans 14:4 Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval.
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Post by iam on Mar 22, 2020 21:26:30 GMT -5
This is how I read some of these these pages...
whine whine whine whine whine Intellect intellect intellect Attack! Attack! Babble babble babble babble babble Yadda yadda 😆😅 Gotta love it. Keep it up children.
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Post by chuck on Mar 22, 2020 22:04:57 GMT -5
Here's how I see it Chuck... An academic acceptance of biblical words is missing the mark unless you hear and obey God's call. If one has heard God's call and is obeying him, what is done in response to that call is between the called and the caller. Romans 14:4 Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval. I agree. The part I don't agree with is when one "does not" hold rituals as part of salvation and suggests that the gospel is better than you could imagine, they are judged condemned, or false, or lacking faith, or unwilling ect ect. I don't believe I have suggested if you are "not like me" or "you do not see it my way" you are condemned ect. Unity in Christ is not sameness. Im am trying to show the gospel is better than what we have had drummed into us!, and am condemned for suggesting God is more loving or can love and show mercy those not the same as us 2x2's. Rituals are rituals. How does a ritual effect what has already been done?.
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Post by chuck on Mar 22, 2020 22:35:49 GMT -5
This is how I read some of these these pages... whine whine whine whine whine Intellect intellect intellect Attack! Attack! Babble babble babble babble babble Yadda yadda 😆😅 Gotta love it. Keep it up children. whine whine whine whine whine Intellect intellect intellect Attack! Attack! Babble babble babble babble babble Yadda yadda Intelligent comments from the sidelines! 😁
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Post by fixit on Mar 22, 2020 23:09:33 GMT -5
Here's how I see it Chuck... An academic acceptance of biblical words is missing the mark unless you hear and obey God's call. If one has heard God's call and is obeying him, what is done in response to that call is between the called and the caller. Romans 14:4 Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval. I agree. The part I don't agree with is when one "does not" hold rituals as part of salvation and suggests that the gospel is better than you could imagine, they are judged condemned, or false, or lacking faith, or unwilling ect ect. I don't believe I have suggested if you are "not like me" or "you do not see it my way" you are condemned ect. Unity in Christ is not sameness. Im am trying to show the gospel is better than what we have had drummed into us!, and am condemned for suggesting God is more loving or can love and show mercy those not the same as us 2x2's. Rituals are rituals. How does a ritual effect what has already been done?. The true gospel is not theory. It must bring people into a "living" relationship with God so they hear his call and obey it. Not man's call. Not man's conformity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 23:26:59 GMT -5
70 years ago there was rigid conformity on our lives, because of rules introduced by MEN.
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Post by fixit on Mar 22, 2020 23:38:57 GMT -5
70 years ago there was rigid conformity on our lives, because of rules introduced by MEN. And women. A lot of workers and friends today reject that level of rigidity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 23:49:08 GMT -5
By Men Fixit, Woman have never had input into 2x2 rules.
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