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Post by benar on Mar 21, 2020 3:42:22 GMT -5
Just did a quick count in the garage. 15 motorbikes and 2 quads. Jesus Christ! Any supersports among them.. 😁 Nah. Still got my first bike - XR75, then a few play bikes (including kids' bikes to muck around on - I don't have kids, but that doesn't mean I don't like mucking around on kids' bikes!). Got a few enduro race bikes, a KTM Freeride, an electric Sur Ron dirt bike, a DRZ400E for off-road adventure riding, a NC700S for the street and more road-based adventure riding (though I did ride it to Finke one year) and a little CB125E that I'm hacking up into a beach/cafe-run custom cruiser. I did have a Hyosung cruiser a few years ago, but sold it because I felt so much safer riding a dirt bike on the street with dirt tyres than I did on a cruiser.
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Post by benar on Mar 21, 2020 3:52:06 GMT -5
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 21, 2020 5:59:16 GMT -5
Very nice mate. I have a mate who rides an adventure bike, and I keep telling him to give it up and switch to a supersport. No way in hell he reckons. Would you be the same?
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Post by benar on Mar 21, 2020 6:19:40 GMT -5
Very nice mate. I have a mate who rides an adventure bike, and I keep telling him to give it up and switch to a supersport. No way in hell he reckons. Would you be the same? Yeah, I find riding off road, one can still have fun at 30km/h. I actively seek out road off the highways, even riding roadside verges and railway track service lines when there's a perfectly good highway running parallel! Don't get me wrong, one of my favourite rides is 70km of switchbacks heading into Jamieson, but it's nice to mix it up with some awesome dirt roads.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 21, 2020 6:30:48 GMT -5
Very nice mate. I have a mate who rides an adventure bike, and I keep telling him to give it up and switch to a supersport. No way in hell he reckons. Would you be the same? Yeah, I find riding off road, one can still have fun at 30km/h. I actively seek out road off the highways, even riding roadside verges and railway track service lines when there's a perfectly good highway running parallel! Don't get me wrong, one of my favourite rides is 70km of switchbacks heading into Jamieson, but it's nice to mix it up with some awesome dirt roads. That’s very true. I’ve never been able experience off road riding though, but where I live there is some amazing country with plenty of trails to explore. Where do you live?
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Post by benar on Mar 21, 2020 7:13:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I find riding off road, one can still have fun at 30km/h. I actively seek out road off the highways, even riding roadside verges and railway track service lines when there's a perfectly good highway running parallel! Don't get me wrong, one of my favourite rides is 70km of switchbacks heading into Jamieson, but it's nice to mix it up with some awesome dirt roads. That’s very true. I’ve never been able experience off road riding though, but where I live there is some amazing country with plenty of trails to explore. Where do you live? South of Adelaide, though most of my adventure riding takes place in Victoria and New South Wales, where the state forests and National Parks are larger. One of the best landscapes to ride through though is the Flinders Ranges. Riding off road uses very different techniques to riding on the road. For example, keeping your body straight, while leaning the bike over in the corners (the opposite of dragging a knee); Using the clutch in corners to prevent rear wheel lock-up and allow metering of the bike's power; often not using the clutch to change gears; and going faster through turns by running a gear higher (outright power often comes second to finding good traction). Then, of course, there's a lot of standing up in the rough stuff, but sitting on the petrol tank in corners to weight the front wheel. Before I started racing enduro, I thought I knew how to ride a motorbike... Turns out I had a lot to learn!
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 21, 2020 8:05:22 GMT -5
That’s very true. I’ve never been able experience off road riding though, but where I live there is some amazing country with plenty of trails to explore. Where do you live? South of Adelaide, though most of my adventure riding takes place in Victoria and New South Wales, where the state forests and National Parks are larger. One of the best landscapes to ride through though is the Flinders Ranges. Riding off road uses very different techniques to riding on the road. For example, keeping your body straight, while leaning the bike over in the corners (the opposite of dragging a knee); Using the clutch in corners to prevent rear wheel lock-up and allow metering of the bike's power; often not using the clutch to change gears; and going faster through turns by running a gear higher (outright power often comes second to finding good traction). Then, of course, there's a lot of standing up in the rough stuff, but sitting on the petrol tank in corners to weight the front wheel. Before I started racing enduro, I thought I knew how to ride a motorbike... Turns out I had a lot to learn! Awesome, good to see another fellow Aussie on here into bikes. Have you ever ridden the Oxley highway in NSW? That’s definitely a lot to learn and actually sounds way more complicated then dragging a knee though a corner. Seems to be many more variables to off road riding..
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 21, 2020 8:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by benar on Mar 21, 2020 20:54:04 GMT -5
Nice photos, ant_rotten . I found when I had my cruiser, that the sealed roads were fun, but I got annoyed at having to pass by little dirt roads and tracks that looked exciting because I wasn't on the right bike. Now I have the ability to shoot off down a random dirt road and see what's there. You'll have to swap bikes with your mate for a bit and see how you like adventure riding.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 21, 2020 21:18:33 GMT -5
Used to ride a BSA Bantam. Flat out at 30mph in a head wind. They took my license off me 12 months ago, not allowed to ride anymore. graduated to a Mobility Scooter. Given up night riding as well. My Dad had a Bantam.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 21, 2020 21:33:46 GMT -5
Nice photos, ant_rotten . I found when I had my cruiser, that the sealed roads were fun, but I got annoyed at having to pass by little dirt roads and tracks that looked exciting because I wasn't on the right bike. Now I have the ability to shoot off down a random dirt road and see what's there. You'll have to swap bikes with your mate for a bit and see how you like adventure riding. Cheers, the guy in the top photo is my mate with the adventure bike, triumph tiger. You have got great point. While I would think, and I may be wrong, the thrill of corners may not be the same on an adventure bike as it would be on a supersport, I can see how an adventure bike opens up a whole other level of exploration and experience. The best of both worlds. There would be nothing holding you back now. I’d take your advice and swap bikes with my mate but he actually wrote the triumph tiger off few months ago. Now he’s converted a WR450 into a motard style bike, which would be interesting..
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 21, 2020 21:37:01 GMT -5
I like all brands of bikes. I have never seen I bike that I wouldn't ride. I just like some better than others. Honda redesign their goldwing in 2018. They added a dual-clutch transmission DCT transmission, & Apple car- play. Its lighter and sportier than the outgoing GL-1800. I have had three goldwings before, but never had a bike with a DCT. It's a want, not a need so it depends on: - The stock market - Covid-19 duration. I tend to take long trips. I'm thinking being 3,000 miles from home and getting Covid-19 would not be much fun. I’m the same, I like most brands but prefer on specific models of each brand. Top of my list is Ducati though and one of these days I will own a Panigale V4R. Dream bike... Ah yes makes sense now. I couldn’t imagine it be very pleasant holding up a goldwing for a 3000 mile trip while sick. The SB version of the V4R is an amazing bike. It is also at the top of my list if I had money to burn. I'd spend a lot of time doing track days. Next on the list would be a little MV Agusta F3, the 675 version. It's a tiny bike that wacks hard. What I like about modern bikes is the tech. ABS, Lean control. Now that sounds really coool, No more high siding or getting dumped on your arse. As for bikes I have had, Honda 50. Yamaha RD 350, Yamaha cs3? a 200. Kawasaki 750 triple two stroke. Yamaha RZ500. Aluminium frame model from Japan Dirt bikes have been Yamaha DT200, TT 250. YZ 250. Kawasaki KDX 200. And last but not least a DOT 195. let.s see who knows what they are. I currently ride a wee trail bike XT250. I am not any of the three animals in that pic. .
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 21, 2020 21:51:46 GMT -5
I’m the same, I like most brands but prefer on specific models of each brand. Top of my list is Ducati though and one of these days I will own a Panigale V4R. Dream bike... Ah yes makes sense now. I couldn’t imagine it be very pleasant holding up a goldwing for a 3000 mile trip while sick. The SB version of the V4R is an amazing bike. It is also at the top of my list if I had money to burn. I'd spend a lot of time doing track days. Next on the list would be a little MV Agusta F3, the 675 version. It's a tiny bike that wacks hard. What I like about modern bikes is the tech. ABS, Lean control. Now that sounds really coool, No more high siding or getting dumped on your arse. As for bikes I have had, Honda 50. Yamaha RD 350, Yamaha cs3? a 200. Kawasaki 750 triple two stroke. Yamaha RZ500. Aluminium frame model from Japan Dirt bikes have been Yamaha DT200, TT 250. YZ 250. Kawasaki KDX 200. And lasy but not least a DOT 195. let.s see who knows what they are. I currently ride a wee trail bike XT250. If only we had the cash to throw at a V4R. I know some of these models are around 60k. There’s a limited edition model with only 500 being made, the bike in the photo below.. the 2020 V4 Superleggera. It weighs less than my R6 and double the hp, up around 240hp. Insane. I agree, the tech that goes into these bikes allows for a margin of error and would be nice knowing the bike will mostly likely save your arse lol. I high sided the R6 years ago, was not pleasant. That’s a nice variety of bikes, I can imagine you having a lot of fun on a trail bike in NZ, plenty of amazing country and views. What style of bike interests you the most, dirt or road? 2020 V4 Superleggera.. www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/2020-ducati-superleggera-v4-first-look.html/amp
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 21, 2020 22:00:13 GMT -5
The SB version of the V4R is an amazing bike. It is also at the top of my list if I had money to burn. I'd spend a lot of time doing track days. Next on the list would be a little MV Agusta F3, the 675 version. It's a tiny bike that wacks hard. What I like about modern bikes is the tech. ABS, Lean control. Now that sounds really coool, No more high siding or getting dumped on your arse. As for bikes I have had, Honda 50. Yamaha RD 350, Yamaha cs3? a 200. Kawasaki 750 triple two stroke. Yamaha RZ500. Aluminium frame model from Japan Dirt bikes have been Yamaha DT200, TT 250. YZ 250. Kawasaki KDX 200. And lasy but not least a DOT 195. let.s see who knows what they are. I currently ride a wee trail bike XT250. If only we had the cash to throw at a V4R. I know some of these models are around 60k. There’s a limited edition model with only 500 being made, the bike in the photo below.. the 2020 V4 Superleggera. It weighs less than my R6 and double the hp, up around 240hp. Insane. I agree, the tech that goes into these bikes allows for a margin of error and would be nice knowing the bike will mostly likely save your arse lol. I high sided the R6 years ago, was not pleasant. That’s a nice variety of bikes, I can imagine you having a lot of fun on a trail bike in NZ, plenty of amazing country and views. What style of bike interests you the most, dirt or road? 2020 V4 Superleggera.. www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/2020-ducati-superleggera-v4-first-look.html/ampI'd like two bikes. The V4R 998 version with the trick gear which brings the horsepower up to nearly 240 as you say. But just for track days. Then a wee trail bike like what I have. It's road registered so I can ride from home. Ride some trails camp out as I have some racks I bought in the USA and some panniers. I do like SWM, They have a Husky motor in them. www.swmmotorcycles.co.nz/rs650/ They are quite light for a 600 and I could shave a bit more off by getting rid of that stupid exhaust system and using an original Husky one. A lot of bikes these days are weigh too heavy. I saw a guy drop his Harley at a petrol station the other day. He could not pick it up. A lot of so called adventure bikes are the same.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 21, 2020 22:16:27 GMT -5
If only we had the cash to throw at a V4R. I know some of these models are around 60k. There’s a limited edition model with only 500 being made, the bike in the photo below.. the 2020 V4 Superleggera. It weighs less than my R6 and double the hp, up around 240hp. Insane. I agree, the tech that goes into these bikes allows for a margin of error and would be nice knowing the bike will mostly likely save your arse lol. I high sided the R6 years ago, was not pleasant. That’s a nice variety of bikes, I can imagine you having a lot of fun on a trail bike in NZ, plenty of amazing country and views. What style of bike interests you the most, dirt or road? 2020 V4 Superleggera.. www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/2020-ducati-superleggera-v4-first-look.html/ampI'd like two bikes. The V4R 998 version with the trick gear which brings the horsepower up to nearly 240 as you say. But just for track days. Then a wee trail bike like what I have. It's road registered so I can ride from home. Ride some trails camp out as I have some racks I bought in the USA and some panniers. I do like SWM, They have a Husky motor in them. www.swmmotorcycles.co.nz/rs650/ They are quite light for a 600 and I could shave a bit more off by getting rid of that stupid exhaust system and using an original Husky one. A lot of bikes these days are weigh too heavy. I saw a guy drop his Harley at a petrol station the other day. He could not pick it up. A lot of so called adventure bikes are the same. I’d be the same. With the Superleggera limit edition model I’d buy 3, one for general riding, one for the track and one to sit in my house as a showroom piece haha. I did a ride with a guy who had one the the MV F3 675 you were talking about earlier. Was a nice bike. What do you think of the triumph daytona 675r triple? Ive never looked into SWM before, the rs650 looks cool but I see what you mean about the huge exhaust. Yeh you wouldn’t want to drop a Harley haha. Rode a mates ultra classic years ago and he told me to put some petrol in it. All I could think about was dropping in kerb of driveway haha. A lot of adventure bikes look really top heavy to me, not sure I’d that’s how they really are though..
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 21, 2020 22:46:03 GMT -5
I'd like two bikes. The V4R 998 version with the trick gear which brings the horsepower up to nearly 240 as you say. But just for track days. Then a wee trail bike like what I have. It's road registered so I can ride from home. Ride some trails camp out as I have some racks I bought in the USA and some panniers. I do like SWM, They have a Husky motor in them. www.swmmotorcycles.co.nz/rs650/ They are quite light for a 600 and I could shave a bit more off by getting rid of that stupid exhaust system and using an original Husky one. A lot of bikes these days are weigh too heavy. I saw a guy drop his Harley at a petrol station the other day. He could not pick it up. A lot of so called adventure bikes are the same. I’d be the same. With the Superleggera limit edition model I’d buy 3, one for general riding, one for the track and one to sit in my house as a showroom piece haha. I did a ride with a guy who had one the the MV F3 675 you were talking about earlier. Was a nice bike. What do you think of the triumph daytona 675r triple? Ive never looked into SWM before, the rs650 looks cool but I see what you mean about the huge exhaust. Yeh you wouldn’t want to drop a Harley haha. Rode a mates ultra classic years ago and he told me to put some petrol in it. All I could think about was dropping in kerb of driveway haha. A lot of adventure bikes look really top heavy to me, not sure I’d that’s how they really are though.. Yer they look like a nice bike. As long as it can go round corners at warp speed without wallowing like a pig in mud then I'm keen.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 21, 2020 22:57:01 GMT -5
I’d be the same. With the Superleggera limit edition model I’d buy 3, one for general riding, one for the track and one to sit in my house as a showroom piece haha. I did a ride with a guy who had one the the MV F3 675 you were talking about earlier. Was a nice bike. What do you think of the triumph daytona 675r triple? Ive never looked into SWM before, the rs650 looks cool but I see what you mean about the huge exhaust. Yeh you wouldn’t want to drop a Harley haha. Rode a mates ultra classic years ago and he told me to put some petrol in it. All I could think about was dropping in kerb of driveway haha. A lot of adventure bikes look really top heavy to me, not sure I’d that’s how they really are though.. Yer they look like a nice bike. As long as it can go round corners at warp speed without wallowing like a pig in mud then I'm keen. From what I’ve heard they have bit more bottom end grunt then the R6. I’d like to compare someday. I love the R6, perfect track bike, but I’m yet to get into the track. Bit of an expensive hobby haha.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 21, 2020 22:58:09 GMT -5
Have you ever ridden that road from Canberra down to Batemans Bay, Gorgeous corners coming down through the bush.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 21, 2020 23:35:25 GMT -5
Have you ever ridden that road from Canberra down to Batemans Bay, Gorgeous corners coming down through the bush. No I have never ridden down that way before. Will put that on my list of roads to ride. I have ridden from Walca, down through Gloucester, Newcastle and into mountains behind Sydney one year when we attend a convention down that way. Can’t remember the name of the convention, maybe someone on here might know.. That was on my first ever road bike, an old grey import Honda CBR250r. Rocking up to convention on a motorcycle haha. Then when we were leaving the bike wouldn’t start so we managed to pack it onto the trailer. Then on the way home, some where between Gloucester and Walca, the car broke down. So we decided to try and start to bike, which it did so we unloaded it off the trailer and I rode home leaving the fam on the side of the road until help arrived haha. Anyways, that’s the furtherest I’ve ventured south and that was many years ago. And the Oxley highway which has to be one the best stretches of windy road in Australia. Did that on the CBR as well. I’m aching to get down to the Oxley on the R6 for a couple of days. I do venture across border into nsw often as I feel it has some of the best roads for the rider.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 22, 2020 2:34:50 GMT -5
Nice vid on the 2020 limited edition V4 Superleggero that will make you drool.. quite affordable at only €100,000 youtu.be/g_0QtAwkVh8
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Post by xna on Mar 22, 2020 8:06:42 GMT -5
I had a BMW R1200GS, but where I live there are few dirt roads to really enjoy the bike. It's too heavy to pull out of the mud if you really go off road. Good bike, easy to work on once you have some BMW special tools. If I buy another adventure bike I would try the Suzuki V-Strom 1050.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 22, 2020 8:10:21 GMT -5
I had a BMW R1200GS, but where I live there are few dirt roads to really enjoy the bike. It's too heavy to pull out of the mud if you really go off road. Good bike, easy to work on once you have some BMW special tools. If I buy another adventure bike I would try the Suzuki V-Strom 1050. Nice bike. Was it top heavy? Adventure bikes always look that way to me. The Suzuki V-strom looks nice.
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Post by xna on Mar 22, 2020 8:52:44 GMT -5
I had a BMW R1200GS, but where I live there are few dirt roads to really enjoy the bike. It's too heavy to pull out of the mud if you really go off road. Good bike, easy to work on once you have some BMW special tools. If I buy another adventure bike I would try the Suzuki V-Strom 1050. Nice bike. Was it top heavy? Adventure bikes always look that way to me. The Suzuki V-strom looks nice. The other bike I was riding at the time was a goldwing and by comparison the BMW felt very light, that is until you got it stuck in the mud up to it's skid pan. It was a good all round bike but it didn't have electronic cruse control, and for my kind of riding that was a negative. The new models now have that. It had antilock brakes and traction control which you could not turn off, so that took some of the fun out of dirt road riding for me. It was a faster street bike than it looked. It's a tall bike with a tall seat height. BMW makes a 850 which is better suited for true off road riding for most people.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 22, 2020 19:54:24 GMT -5
Nice bike. Was it top heavy? Adventure bikes always look that way to me. The Suzuki V-strom looks nice. The other bike I was riding at the time was a goldwing and by comparison the BMW felt very light, that is until you got it stuck in the mud up to it's skid pan. It was a good all round bike but it didn't have electronic cruse control, and for my kind of riding that was a negative. The new models now have that. It had antilock brakes and traction control which you could not turn off, so that took some of the fun out of dirt road riding for me. It was a faster street bike than it looked. It's a tall bike with a tall seat height. BMW makes a 850 which is better suited for true off road riding for most people. Would get annoying not being able to turn off traction control. Part of the fun of riding on the dirt would be spinning ya wheel haha. I can imagine those bigger adventure bikes fully loaded up for travel would be a struggle in certain situations. My mates triumph tiger 900 was a very well rounded adventure bike, like you say, that size is much better suited for true odd road riding that the bigger models.
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Post by xna on Mar 22, 2020 20:08:11 GMT -5
The other bike I was riding at the time was a goldwing and by comparison the BMW felt very light, that is until you got it stuck in the mud up to it's skid pan. It was a good all round bike but it didn't have electronic cruse control, and for my kind of riding that was a negative. The new models now have that. It had antilock brakes and traction control which you could not turn off, so that took some of the fun out of dirt road riding for me. It was a faster street bike than it looked. It's a tall bike with a tall seat height. BMW makes a 850 which is better suited for true off road riding for most people. Would get annoying not being able to turn off traction control. Part of the fun of riding on the dirt would be spinning ya wheel haha. I can imagine those bigger adventure bikes fully loaded up for travel would be a struggle in certain situations. My mates triumph tiger 900 was a very well rounded adventure bike, like you say, that size is much better suited for true odd road riding that the bigger models. I checked out the limits of traction control. I found you could go around a curve on a dirt road and hit the front brake hard and NOT go down! With most other bikes you would be eating dirt. BTW the crash bars are very strong. Several times I thought I must have bent the crash bars, but I never did. Now that I think of it there may have been a switch to turn off traction control but not the antilock brakes. I've had too many bikes to remember all the features. Don't like either one of those features.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 22, 2020 20:24:39 GMT -5
Would get annoying not being able to turn off traction control. Part of the fun of riding on the dirt would be spinning ya wheel haha. I can imagine those bigger adventure bikes fully loaded up for travel would be a struggle in certain situations. My mates triumph tiger 900 was a very well rounded adventure bike, like you say, that size is much better suited for true odd road riding that the bigger models. I checked out the limits of traction control. I found you could go around a curve on a dirt road and hit the front brake hard and NOT go down! With most other bikes you would be eating dirt. BTW the crash bars are very strong. Several times I thought I must have bent the crash bars, but I never did. Now that I think of it there may have been a switch to turn off traction control but not the antilock brakes. I've had too many bikes to remember all the features. Don't like either one of those features. That’s very interesting. I can’t imagine hitting the front brakes hard while at full lean and not go down. My R6 though is 2008 and has no traction control (I have high sided it haha) or antilock brakes, even though I know the brakes wouldn’t lock up. Would be comforting on the dirt knowing you can hit the brakes hard and not go down haha. I’m sure rider skill would come into play in that situation though?
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Post by xna on Mar 22, 2020 20:32:41 GMT -5
That’s very interesting. I can’t imagine hitting the front brakes hard while at full lean and not go down. My R6 though is 2008 and has no traction control (I have high sided it haha) or antilock brakes, even though I know the brakes wouldn’t lock up. Would be comforting on the dirt knowing you can hit the brakes hard and not go down haha. I’m sure rider skill would come into play in that situation though? I wore out a set of new tires on my st-1300 in just one week of very hard riding. I wanted to see how fast that bike could take the curves. I never went down on that bike but I noticed that the front tire would repeatedly dip down then quickly come back up when you pushed it very hard. I never pushed it past that point as I thought I was at the very limit. The tires showed wear to the edge. Have you ever experience this?
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 22, 2020 20:45:48 GMT -5
That’s very interesting. I can’t imagine hitting the front brakes hard while at full lean and not go down. My R6 though is 2008 and has no traction control (I have high sided it haha) or antilock brakes, even though I know the brakes wouldn’t lock up. Would be comforting on the dirt knowing you can hit the brakes hard and not go down haha. I’m sure rider skill would come into play in that situation though? I wore out a set of new tires on my st-1300 in just one week of very hard riding. I wanted to see how fast that bike could take the curves. I never went down on that bike but I noticed that the front tire would repeatedly dip down then quickly come back up when you pushed it very hard. I never pushed it past that point as I thought I was at the very limit. The tires showed wear to the edge. Have you ever experience this? I have never experienced that. Do you trial brake through corners? Im can take the R6 hard into corners and it’s extremely smooth right throughout the entire corner.. then again, i know the R6 can be pushed much further too. I haven’t touched my elbow on the ground yet 😉
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