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Post by nathan on Mar 23, 2020 2:15:47 GMT -5
Just forget fixit.... I don't have time for these nonsense anymore... If you want Stranges science fiction off the main board you got your wish but you won't get me ban on the main board and TMB anymore with your sneaky tactic! So, let the dead dog dies, fixit/you lost the War. I am still here and posting on TMB.
I'm happy to leave it there as long as no one else brings it up. Let the dead dogs lie, fixit... Nobody is going to bring it up again. You got your wish so be happy. If they bring it up I will let the Admin and moderators give them some warnings.... If they continue to disrupt the main board with that stuff they might get banned from posting on TMB.
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Post by intelchips on Mar 23, 2020 7:56:47 GMT -5
While I appreciate the study of the bible, the analysing the books in it etc.....so lets take the bible out of the discussion for a moment. Hey, we live in precarious times. My logic is : We need to show care to others as to how our fellow men and women are coping re this virus. Will you send me to jail for this? I agree but let us together start a thread that discusses that topic because it is in noway I can see related to this thread.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 24, 2020 4:36:39 GMT -5
The Coming Prince by Robert Anderson CHAPTER VIII "MESSIAH THE PRINCE" Excerpt Quote JUST as we find that in certain circles people who are reputed pious are apt to be regarded with suspicion, so it would seem that any writings which claim Divine authority or sanction inevitably awaken distrust. But if the evangelists could gain the same fair hearing which profane historians command; i f their statements were tested upon the same principles on which records of the past are judged by scholars, and evidence is weighed in our courts of justice, it would be accepted as a well-established fact of history that our Savior was born in Bethlehem, at a time when Cyrenius was Governor of Syria, and Herod was king in Jerusalem.Unquote whatsaiththescripture.com/Text.Only/pdfs/The_Coming_Prince_Text.pdf On what basis, gratu, -are you posting an excerpt from the works of Robert Anderson? Robert Anderson From Wikipedia, <except> Anderson was brought up in a devout Christian home, but in his late teens he had doubts about his faith. His sister Annie, later Lady Boyd, was influenced by the Irish Evangelical Revival of 1859–1860 and persuaded him to attend one of the services held in Dublin by the Reverend Joseph Denham Smith, but he was not particularly impressed. The following Sunday evening, however, he attended a service in his own church and heard the Reverend John Hall (afterwards of New York), who "boldly proclaimed forgiveness of sins, and eternal life as God's gift in grace, unreserved and unconditional, to be received by us as we sat in the pews. His sermon thrilled me,"
Anderson wrote later when describing the event, "and yet I deemed his doctrine to be unscriptural. So I waylaid him as he left the vestry, and on our homeward walk I tackled him about his heresies… At last he let go my arm, and, facing me as we stood upon the pavement, he repeated with great solemnity his gospel message and appeal. 'I tell you,' he said, 'as a minister of Christ, and in His name, that there is life for you here and now if you will accept Him. Will you accept Christ, or will you reject Him?'
After a pause – how prolonged I know not – I exclaimed, 'In God's name I will accept Christ.'
Not another word passed between us; but after another pause he wrung my hand and left me. And I turned homewards with the peace of God filling my heart." He was especially close to some of the greatest biblical teachers of his day, including James Martin Gray, Cyrus Scofield, A. C. Dixon, Horatius Bonar and E. W. Bullinger.He also preached with John Nelson Darby in the West of Ireland. Anderson was a member of the Plymouth Brethren, first with Darby then with the Open Brethren party, before returning to his Presbyterian roots. He wrote numerous theological works: C. H. Spurgeon commented that Anderson's book Human Destiny was "the most valuable contribution on the subject" that he had seen. Gratu, I am just wondering what is there about this particular man that causes you to believe him above others?
PS: Another excerpt that is sadly relevant about is happening right now Anderson died from the Spanish flu in 1918, aged 77.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 24, 2020 19:39:51 GMT -5
No doubt that Judaism would have wanted Christ to become a distant memory as quickly as possible. But even most Atheist believe Jesus existed, including Bart Ehrman.
Most people aren't willing to die for a lie, in fact most people aren't willing to die for the truth.. Peter, Paul, Matthew, Thomas, Andrew, etc, were all killed. That's what speaks to me, I don't think these men would have suffered horrible deaths to uphold a fictional character or a fabricated fairy tale. A person would probably denounce something even if it were true in order to save their own life. But the apostles had a conviction that surpassed the value they may have put on their own lives, and their willingness to suffer death is the best evidence that the One they followed was real.
Men died for Hitler. Hitler offered his version of salvation for the German people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 20:12:03 GMT -5
No doubt that Judaism would have wanted Christ to become a distant memory as quickly as possible. But even most Atheist believe Jesus existed, including Bart Ehrman.
Most people aren't willing to die for a lie, in fact most people aren't willing to die for the truth.. Peter, Paul, Matthew, Thomas, Andrew, etc, were all killed. That's what speaks to me, I don't think these men would have suffered horrible deaths to uphold a fictional character or a fabricated fairy tale. A person would probably denounce something even if it were true in order to save their own life. But the apostles had a conviction that surpassed the value they may have put on their own lives, and their willingness to suffer death is the best evidence that the One they followed was real.
Men died for Hitler. Hitler offered his version of salvation for the German people. a little different....hitler was a real person who told lies he wasn't a fictional character or fabricated fairy tale...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 24, 2020 21:52:54 GMT -5
Men died for Hitler. Hitler offered his version of salvation for the German people. a little different....hitler was a real person who told lies he wasn't a fictional character or fabricated fairy tale... Excellent Wally, I am pleased to see that you have finally realized that the bible is a fabricated fairy tale. Don't waste your time on it. Don't die for a lie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 22:19:35 GMT -5
a little different....hitler was a real person who told lies he wasn't a fictional character or fabricated fairy tale... Excellent Wally, I am pleased to see that you have finally realized that the bible is a fabricated fairy tale. Don't waste your time on it. Don't die for a lie. i did not say that...nice try though
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 24, 2020 22:30:58 GMT -5
Excellent Wally, I am pleased to see that you have finally realized that the bible is a fabricated fairy tale. Don't waste your time on it. Don't die for a lie. i did not say that...nice try though Ah, but Wally, -actually you did!
Perhaps you weren't even aware of what you were saying, -but never-the-less it is true.
Sometimes what we really know to be true in our inner being escapes and bubbles to the surface.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 22:36:32 GMT -5
i did not say that...nice try though Ah, but Wally, -actually you did!
Perhaps you weren't even aware of what you were saying, -but never-the-less it is true.
Sometimes what we really know to be true in our inner being escapes and bubbles to the surface.i think as bob would say your not reading very well....but i'll play where in my post do i say the bible is a fabricated fairy tale?
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 25, 2020 1:48:54 GMT -5
Ah yes, another video of a run of the mill Christian apologist..
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 25, 2020 1:52:22 GMT -5
Ah, but Wally, -actually you did!
Perhaps you weren't even aware of what you were saying, -but never-the-less it is true.
Sometimes what we really know to be true in our inner being escapes and bubbles to the surface. i think as bob would say your not reading very well....but i'll play where in my post do i say the bible is a fabricated fairy tale? Weren't you comparing Hitler to people in the bible when you said: "Hitler was a real person who told lies, he wasn't a fictional character or fabricated fairy tale... "
Wally, surely you weren't comparing Hitler to "Santa Claus or the tooth fairy were you?
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 25, 2020 4:27:35 GMT -5
Ah yes, another video of a run of the mill Christian apologist.. "...run of the mill ...." That bit displays grossly ignorant anti-Christian bias (mere ad hominem) especially while it is very easy to discover online that Ravi Zacharias is far from "run of the mill." I have already discovered Ravi Zacharias online, and it wasn’t hard to see him as run of the mill..
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 25, 2020 4:48:24 GMT -5
I have already discovered Ravi Zacharias online, and it wasn’t hard to see him as run of the mill.. Very evidently, according to a ant rotten grossly ignorant anti-Christian bias that is no surprise to those who know the grossly ignorant anti-Christian bias of 2x2ism historically. This has nothing with 2x2ism. You posted a video on a Christian apologist on the existence of god. What is he going to offer over any other Christians attempt at explaining the existence of god?
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 25, 2020 4:53:32 GMT -5
This has nothing with 2x2ism. You posted a video on a Christian apologist on the existence of god. What is he going to offer over any other Christians attempt at explaining the existence of god? Very evidently, nothing to an ant rotten grossly ignorant anti-Christian bias that is no surprise to those who know the grossly ignorant anti-Christian bias of 2x2ism historically. Yep, you’ve basically said that twice now..
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 25, 2020 5:09:25 GMT -5
Yep, you’ve basically said that twice now.. And now you grabbed it before I completed it - and I have given that observation of your posts something like four times so far - so I'll leave the visitors to assess you posts for themselves now. I have no idea what your on about..
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 25, 2020 6:45:37 GMT -5
I have no idea what your on about.. Awwwww I nowwww - so let me give a hint what I'm on about so that the visitors don't miss the show - what ant_rotten missed by grabbing mine before it was completed was a last statement regarding ant_rotten's 50 posts on this thread to examine to see if the visitor can find any of them that do not display a grossly ignorant anti-Christian bias. With fifty to examine one should get a fairly good average of what ant_rotten is on about - at least on this thread. Oh, and the visitor should know that I am in no competition for the position of second most frequent poster on this thread, so since ant_rotten has quoted my previous posts containing the grossly ignorant anti-Christian bias assessment, I deleted mine (leaving only this last one for now - with loss only of the previous mention of those 50 posts belonging to ant_rotten on this thread - so far. lol your out of control. Do what you have to, it’s not going to effect me. I hope the show is a good one for the visitors. Enjoy 😉
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 25, 2020 6:52:11 GMT -5
I have no idea what your on about.. Awwwww I nowwww - so let me give a hint what I'm on about so that the visitors don't miss the show - what ant_rotten missed by grabbing mine before it was completed was a last statement regarding ant_rotten's 50 posts on this thread to examine to see if the visitor can find any of them that do not display a grossly ignorant anti-Christian bias. With fifty to examine one should get a fairly good average of what ant_rotten is on about - at least on this thread. Oh, and the visitor should know that I am in no competition for the position of second most frequent poster on this thread, so since ant_rotten has quoted my previous posts containing the grossly ignorant anti-Christian bias assessment, I deleted mine (leaving only this last one for now - with loss only of the previous mention of those 50 posts belonging to ant_rotten on this thread - so far. This isn’t even your thread so back off and stop being such a control freak. It’s not a good look. I don’t care what visitors think of me anyways, so your not kidding anyone except yourself. Grow up.
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Post by Dan on Mar 25, 2020 8:26:31 GMT -5
No doubt that Judaism would have wanted Christ to become a distant memory as quickly as possible. But even most Atheist believe Jesus existed, including Bart Ehrman.
Most people aren't willing to die for a lie, in fact most people aren't willing to die for the truth.. Peter, Paul, Matthew, Thomas, Andrew, etc, were all killed. That's what speaks to me, I don't think these men would have suffered horrible deaths to uphold a fictional character or a fabricated fairy tale. A person would probably denounce something even if it were true in order to save their own life. But the apostles had a conviction that surpassed the value they may have put on their own lives, and their willingness to suffer death is the best evidence that the One they followed was real.
Men died for Hitler. Hitler offered his version of salvation for the German people.
That was my point, Hitler was a real person so Germans did not fight and die for a myth.. Neither did the apostles. Of course, a notable difference is that Hitler was a liar and evil, while Christ was truthful & good.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 25, 2020 8:33:23 GMT -5
Men died for Hitler. Hitler offered his version of salvation for the German people.
That was my point, Hitler was a real person so Germans did not fight and die for a myth.. Neither did the apostles. Of course, a notable difference is that Hitler was a liar and evil, while Christ was truthful & good.
There is another notable difference. While hitler was a real man, “Christ” wasn’t. The resurrection is a myth even though people were willing to die for it.
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Post by nathan on Mar 25, 2020 8:43:31 GMT -5
That was my point, Hitler was a real person so Germans did not fight and die for a myth.. Neither did the apostles. Of course, a notable difference is that Hitler was a liar and evil, while Christ was truthful & good.
There is another notable difference. While hitler was a real man, “Christ” wasn’t. The resurrection is a myth even though people were willing to die for it. Paul and the followers of Jesus would disagree with you, he answered about the Christ was a Real person NOT a myth... Even your friend Bart believes Jesus is REAL person NOT a myth. You need to listen and believe Bart on this because he is correct on this. I Cor. 15:14-28 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
~~ Therefore, most Christians willing to DIE for their faith because what God and Christ have prepared the earth and heaven for them to dwell for believing in Jesus as their Redeemer and Savior.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 25, 2020 9:01:39 GMT -5
There is another notable difference. While hitler was a real man, “Christ” wasn’t. The resurrection is a myth even though people were willing to die for it. Paul and the followers of Jesus would disagree with, he answered about the Christ was a Real person NOT a myth... Even your friend Bart believes Jesus is REAL person NOT a myth. You need to listen and believe Bart on this because he is correct on this. I Cor. 15:14-28 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
~~ Therefore, most Christians willing to DIE for their faith because what God and Christ have prepared the earth and heaven for them to dwell for believing in Jesus as their Redeemer and Savior.
Of cause Bart believed Jesus was a real person. So do I! Where we don’t agree with you is what happened after his death.. that Jesus rose from the dead an ascended to heaven.. that’s the fantasy part, which people were still willing to die over..
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Post by intelchips on Mar 25, 2020 9:09:08 GMT -5
There is another notable difference. While hitler was a real man, “Christ” wasn’t. The resurrection is a myth even though people were willing to die for it. Paul and the followers of Jesus would disagree with, he answered about the Christ was a Real person NOT a myth... Even your friend Bart believes Jesus is REAL person NOT a myth. You need to listen and believe Bart on this because he is correct on this. I Cor. 15:14-28 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
~~ Therefore, most Christians willing to DIE for their faith because what God and Christ have prepared the earth and heaven for them to dwell for believing in Jesus as their Redeemer and Savior.
producing no result; useless. ya pretty much so. unless it stops a young man from robbing the liquor store cause he thinks Jesus will` get him, then in that case I guess its work okay to a degree. Dead raising, when was the last time you see this? That statement makes it seem that people of that time were of aware of it happening on a regular bases. He must rain. When have you seen a leader make a positive change that lasted for all ages? Remember in terms of the universe we are very young so maybe that one still has time to prove out. Also Nathan have you not learned by now quoting from your sources fails on us lot?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 9:16:52 GMT -5
i think as bob would say your not reading very well....but i'll play where in my post do i say the bible is a fabricated fairy tale? Weren't you comparing Hitler to people in the bible when you said: "Hitler was a real person who told lies, he wasn't a fictional character or fabricated fairy tale... "
Wally, surely you weren't comparing Hitler to "Santa Claus or the tooth fairy were you?no i was specifically talking about hitler no where in my post do i mention Jesus or the bible...nice try though....
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Post by nathan on Mar 25, 2020 9:24:26 GMT -5
Paul and the followers of Jesus would disagree with, he answered about the Christ was a Real person NOT a myth... Even your friend Bart believes Jesus is REAL person NOT a myth. You need to listen and believe Bart on this because he is correct on this. I Cor. 15:14-28 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
~~ Therefore, most Christians willing to DIE for their faith because what God and Christ have prepared the earth and heaven for them to dwell for believing in Jesus as their Redeemer and Savior.
Of cause Bart believed Jesus was a real person. So do I! Where we don’t agree with you is what happened after his death.. that Jesus rose from the dead an ascended to heaven.. that’s the fantasy part, which people were still willing to die over.. Paul answered your question again that he SAW the resurrected Christ/Jesus so, he was one of 500 His followers that saw HIM in the NEW resurrection body! After God had raised Him from Hades/Realm of the dead in I Cor. 15:1-12
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed. Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?Paul was one of the 500 Witnesses that SAW Christ/Jesus after God raised Him from the dead... Read Acts chapter 9.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 25, 2020 9:32:12 GMT -5
Of cause Bart believed Jesus was a real person. So do I! Where we don’t agree with you is what happened after his death.. that Jesus rose from the dead an ascended to heaven.. that’s the fantasy part, which people were still willing to die over.. Paul answered your question again that he SAW the resurrected Christ/Jesus so, he was one of 500 His followers that saw HIM after God raise Him from Hades/Realm of the dead in I Cor. 15:1-12
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed. Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?Paul was one of the 500 Witnesses that SAW Christ/Jesus after God raised Him from the dead... Read Acts chapter 9.What is it that makes you believe that Paul is a trustworthy source in regards to whether or not Jesus rose from the dead? What outside sources to you have to confirm this?
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Of cause Bart believed Jesus was a real person. So do I! Where we don’t agree with you is what happened after his death.. that Jesus rose from the dead an ascended to heaven.. that’s the fantasy part, which people were still willing to die over.. Paul answered your question again that he SAW the resurrected Christ/Jesus so, he was one of 500 His followers that saw HIM in the NEW resurrection body! After God had raised Him from Hades/Realm of the dead in I Cor. 15:1-12
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed. Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?Paul was one of the 500 Witnesses that SAW Christ/Jesus after God raised Him from the dead... Read Acts chapter 9.ummm Paul/Saul was a separate event from the 500. Acts 9 just deals with Paul/Saul's vision on the road to damascus...
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Post by nathan on Mar 25, 2020 9:42:34 GMT -5
Paul answered your question again that he SAW the resurrected Christ/Jesus so, he was one of 500 His followers that saw HIM after God raise Him from Hades/Realm of the dead in I Cor. 15:1-12
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed. Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?Paul was one of the 500 Witnesses that SAW Christ/Jesus after God raised Him from the dead... Read Acts chapter 9. What is it that makes you believe that Paul is a trustworthy source in regards to whether or not Jesus rose from the dead? What outside sources to you have to confirm this? We have his co-workers Luke, John Mark and Paul's testimony and many of the epistles he left behind. People can read and decide if he was a trust worthy, and Christ/God chosen vessel to preach the gospel to the Gentiles. There were Barnabas who was a close co-worker of Paul. We also have the early church apostolic fathers (1-2 Century of apostles) written historical document testimony the Life of Paul and Barnabas.
I have the book of A dictionary of the early Christian beliefs: A reference guide to More than 700 topics discussed by the early church fathers. By David Bercot
I know which countries Paul visited and preached before he was behead by Nero in Rome, 67. A.D. I read writings of men who had been with him and known Paul as his co-workers.
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Post by nathan on Mar 25, 2020 9:45:16 GMT -5
Paul answered your question again that he SAW the resurrected Christ/Jesus so, he was one of 500 His followers that saw HIM in the NEW resurrection body! After God had raised Him from Hades/Realm of the dead in I Cor. 15:1-12
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed. Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?Paul was one of the 500 Witnesses that SAW Christ/Jesus after God raised Him from the dead... Read Acts chapter 9. ummm Paul/Saul was a separate event from the 500. Acts 9 just deals with Paul/Saul's vision on the road to damascus... Yes, you are correct. Let me clarify it.... Paul, James, and ALL of the apostles/70 in Luke 10 were NOT included with the 500 followers of Jesus and the 12 apostles who saw the resurrected Jesus so, there were more than 500 believers that saw Him.
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