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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 21:12:23 GMT -5
Fixit, had KNOWN what I posted NOT to talk or mention these things three days ago... then the next day he re-post the old post/quote in his post... Then you are doing the same thing! like him now … Are you purposely doing this, snow?
You jumped on me without reading the thread on Annan for attacking me first.
Just let the dead dog dies... Don't talk or discuss this again by bringing the old quote or posts. Let it dies! please, I believe the posters got the message already. Stick with 2x2s topic on the main page ONLY. The rest of STUFFs take it to the general board and I will engage you or anyone on there.
Nathan, now that: 1. You understand it was you who first posted the Frank Stranges science fiction on this thread, 2. You've apologised for your false accusations, 3. We're now going to stick to 2x2 topics on the main board, We can let it die and look forward to a forum that is actually usable! actually it was snow that triggered him with this statement "Stranges hasn't got a clue if he thinks planets are hollow" it was then that the copy and paste started...just sayin'
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Post by iam on Mar 22, 2020 21:16:36 GMT -5
Proving Jesus as a historical person suffers due to a Lack of unequivocal first century testimony, outside of the New Testament texts. There is only a single source (a much contested source) found in a single paragraph of “Testimonium Flavianum” by Josephus, J.A. 18.63-64. And even among those who accept that Josephus had firsthand knowledge of the events most agree interpolation is involved. Thus, in total, one is left with the majority view reflecting that Jesus existed, but was less significant in his own time than the gospel accounts suggest. And the minority view is that Jesus never existed as a historical person. Anyone choosing to understand what this all means would do well to study the New Testament vs. Josephus. And in particular dig deep into the series of parallels that until recent most academics have overlooked or completely miss. First notice that these parallels all occur with a 15 to 20-year delay in Josephus texts. This then means that events described in the New Testament in the thirties while absence in Josephus’s text depicting the thirties instead closely parallel events Josephus describes as occurring in the late 40 to the 50s. No one claims Josephus was an infallible source. However, at the same time no one would accuse him of being intellectually lazy and to continue repeatedly making such errors. Here I leave the readers to make what they will of these facts. Do you think that because Jesus was such a nondescript and undesirable persona in the religious groups at that time that he wouldn't have been a person of interest to write about?
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Post by fixit on Mar 22, 2020 21:30:58 GMT -5
actually it was snow that triggered him with this statement "Stranges hasn't got a clue if he thinks planets are hollow" it was then that the copy and paste started...just sayin' No, it was Nathan who first mentioned Stranges on post 892317. Snow's post was 892487.
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Post by nathan on Mar 22, 2020 21:36:48 GMT -5
Nathan, now that: 1. You understand it was you who first posted the Frank Stranges science fiction on this thread, 2. You've apologised for your false accusations, 3. We're now going to stick to 2x2 topics on the main board, We can let it die and look forward to a forum that is actually usable! actually it was snow that triggered him with this statement "Stranges hasn't got a clue if he thinks planets are hollow" it was then that the copy and paste started...just sayin' You are correct again, Wally... I have post so many posts the last two days NOT to post or repost it... then these two did it again by repost that stuff again. Are they serious?
Let us see if Fixit or anyone else will ever bring that stuff by reposting it again on the main page? He has lost his biggest secret weapon to ban me from posting on the TMB.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 21:39:39 GMT -5
actually it was snow that triggered him with this statement "Stranges hasn't got a clue if he thinks planets are hollow" it was then that the copy and paste started...just sayin' No, it was Nathan who first mentioned Stranges on post 892317. Snow's post was 892487. actually went back and looked again and it was bob that said this "Let's ask: Who's the quack, Bart Ehrman or Dr. Stranges?" page 2 of this thread so again triggered....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 21:42:05 GMT -5
~~ Who do you believe Bart the man or the MAN himself Christ/Jesus God? Let's ask: Who's the quack, Bart Ehrman or Dr. Stranges? right here fixit....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 21:43:07 GMT -5
actually it was snow that triggered him with this statement "Stranges hasn't got a clue if he thinks planets are hollow" it was then that the copy and paste started...just sayin' You are correct again, Wally... I have post so many posts the last two days NOT to post or repost it... then these two did it again by repost that stuff again. Are they serious?
Let us see if Fixit or anyone else will ever bring that stuff by reposting it again on the main page? He has lost his biggest secret weapon to ban me from posting on the TMB.
actually it was bob i believe.....my mistake
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Post by Dan on Mar 22, 2020 21:47:05 GMT -5
No doubt that Judaism would have wanted Christ to become a distant memory as quickly as possible. But even most Atheist believe Jesus existed, including Bart Ehrman.
Most people aren't willing to die for a lie, in fact most people aren't willing to die for the truth.. Peter, Paul, Matthew, Thomas, Andrew, etc, were all killed. That's what speaks to me, I don't think these men would have suffered horrible deaths to uphold a fictional character or a fabricated fairy tale. A person would probably denounce something even if it were true in order to save their own life. But the apostles had a conviction that surpassed the value they may have put on their own lives, and their willingness to suffer death is the best evidence that the One they followed was real.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 21:47:06 GMT -5
You are correct again, Wally... I have post so many posts the last two days NOT to post or repost it... then these two did it again by repost that stuff again. Are they serious?
Let us see if Fixit or anyone else will ever bring that stuff by reposting it again on the main page? He has lost his biggest secret weapon to ban me from posting on the TMB.
actually it was bob i believe.....my mistake wrong again....my mistake again...it was nathan...i just seen at the bottom of his post that he tagged stranges...
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Post by nathan on Mar 22, 2020 21:49:21 GMT -5
You are correct again, Wally... I have post so many posts the last two days NOT to post or repost it... then these two did it again by repost that stuff again. Are they serious?
Let us see if Fixit or anyone else will ever bring that stuff by reposting it again on the main page? He has lost his biggest secret weapon to ban me from posting on the TMB.
actually it was bob i believe.....my mistake Thanks, If people accidently repost it I will let them KNOW NOT to repost the forbidden posts on the main page.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 21:51:29 GMT -5
i was wrong sorry about that bob and snow....
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Post by nathan on Mar 22, 2020 22:14:08 GMT -5
i was wrong sorry about that bob and snow.... Don't worry about it, I don't have the time to go back and find out who started it... Now, most readers know NOT to post or repost old quotes or post of that stuff. If new comers accidently post it I will let them know NOT to do it because the Admin. has asked us NOT to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 22:21:52 GMT -5
Nathan how are you coping with the virus control in your business as I imagine a lot of handling money, petrol pumps etc? N.Z. Prime minister has just announce stage 3 alert and in 48 hrs stage 4 lockdown for 4 wks except essential business. All schools closed.
Take care with your work.
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Post by nathan on Mar 22, 2020 22:27:57 GMT -5
Nathan how are you coping with the virus control in your business as I imagine a lot of handling money, petrol pumps etc? N.Z. Prime minister has just announce stage 3 alert and in 48 hrs stage 4 lockdown for 4 wks except essential business. All schools closed. Take care with your work. Thanks, we are in BIG trouble... but we must keep the gasoline opens to the public and deal with the virus ourselves. My wife is wearing a welding/plastic face mask and gloves and keep a distance from the customers 7 days a week. Face masks are hard to find these days.
Thanks, God... Hopefully, we don't get too many customers... the City of Portland is semi-locked down for now...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 22:30:02 GMT -5
Nathan how are you coping with the virus control in your business as I imagine a lot of handling money, petrol pumps etc? N.Z. Prime minister has just announce stage 3 alert and in 48 hrs stage 4 lockdown for 4 wks except essential business. All schools closed. Take care with your work. rumor mill - gas is gonna go to 1$ per gal in some areas....nathan is gonna get swamped....
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Post by intelchips on Mar 22, 2020 22:31:42 GMT -5
No doubt that Judaism would have wanted Christ to become a distant memory as quickly as possible. But even most Atheist believe Jesus existed, including Bart Ehrman.
Most people aren't willing to die for a lie, in fact most people aren't willing to die for the truth.. Peter, Paul, Matthew, Thomas, Andrew, etc, were all killed. That's what speaks to me, I don't think these men would have suffered horrible deaths to uphold a fictional character or a fabricated fairy tale. A person would probably denounce something even if it were true in order to save their own life. But the apostles had a conviction that surpassed the value they may have put on their own lives, and their willingness to suffer death is the best evidence that the One they followed was real.
Dan thank you for that question. Consider this: In the Gospels it names 12 apostles. However, there is scant evidence of their existence outside of the New Testament.
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Post by intelchips on Mar 22, 2020 22:35:20 GMT -5
Proving Jesus as a historical person suffers due to a Lack of unequivocal first century testimony, outside of the New Testament texts. There is only a single source (a much contested source) found in a single paragraph of “Testimonium Flavianum” by Josephus, J.A. 18.63-64. And even among those who accept that Josephus had firsthand knowledge of the events most agree interpolation is involved. Thus, in total, one is left with the majority view reflecting that Jesus existed, but was less significant in his own time than the gospel accounts suggest. And the minority view is that Jesus never existed as a historical person. Anyone choosing to understand what this all means would do well to study the New Testament vs. Josephus. And in particular dig deep into the series of parallels that until recent most academics have overlooked or completely miss. First notice that these parallels all occur with a 15 to 20-year delay in Josephus texts. This then means that events described in the New Testament in the thirties while absence in Josephus’s text depicting the thirties instead closely parallel events Josephus describes as occurring in the late 40 to the 50s. No one claims Josephus was an infallible source. However, at the same time no one would accuse him of being intellectually lazy and to continue repeatedly making such errors. Here I leave the readers to make what they will of these facts. Do you think that because Jesus was such a nondescript and undesirable persona in the religious groups at that time that he wouldn't have been a person of interest to write about? No I really don't think that was the case because some of the claims in the Gospels were so outlandish someone would have made mention of them.
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Post by nathan on Mar 22, 2020 22:38:49 GMT -5
Nathan how are you coping with the virus control in your business as I imagine a lot of handling money, petrol pumps etc? N.Z. Prime minister has just announce stage 3 alert and in 48 hrs stage 4 lockdown for 4 wks except essential business. All schools closed. Take care with your work. rumor mill - gas is gonna go to 1$ per gal in some areas....nathan is gonna get swamped.... I read and heard the gas price will go down to 2$ a gallon... We are ready... If I die I die, time to go home and be with God and Christ. I am ready and looking forward to that day.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 22:41:25 GMT -5
Yes no doubt not as much petrol will be needed. I filled up because we have a lovely lake here and to get out of the house and sit by the lake will be good to do some days. We will have to take our own coffee now that cafes are closed. We also need to ensure we are at least 2 metres away from people but ideal to just sit in the car.
We all certainly have a lot to think of in terms of our own safety and that of others. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 22:44:14 GMT -5
Nathan how are you coping with the virus control in your business as I imagine a lot of handling money, petrol pumps etc? N.Z. Prime minister has just announce stage 3 alert and in 48 hrs stage 4 lockdown for 4 wks except essential business. All schools closed. Take care with your work. rumor mill - gas is gonna go to 1$ per gal in some areas....nathan is gonna get swamped.... Oh dear, I understand that frenzy. People still scurrying here for the baked beans and rice!
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Post by intelchips on Mar 22, 2020 22:59:13 GMT -5
how did the price of gas get dragged into this? is that some code? If so goes over my head.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 23:10:30 GMT -5
Well I guess ‘if Jesus existed’ (thread title) he would be showing some care for people.
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Post by nathan on Mar 22, 2020 23:13:14 GMT -5
Well I guess ‘if Jesus existed’ (thread title) he would be showing some care for people. Amen, we don't know who or which one us will get the Virus next... ALL these fighting is useless after death. Be kind to one another while we have the time to show kindness and caring for others.
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Post by intelchips on Mar 22, 2020 23:58:20 GMT -5
Well I guess ‘if Jesus existed’ (thread title) he would be showing some care for people. simple logic: There was no distinction between evangelistic propaganda and what the writers themselves believed to be true. From a modern viewpoint, it’s hard to see the Gospels as unvarnished, truthful accounts. And the people in that time certainly could tell the difference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 0:18:53 GMT -5
While I appreciate the study of the bible, the analysing the books in it etc.....so lets take the bible out of the discussion for a moment.
Hey, we live in precarious times. My logic is : We need to show care to others as to how our fellow men and women are coping re this virus.
Will you send me to jail for this?
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Post by fixit on Mar 23, 2020 0:55:44 GMT -5
i was wrong sorry about that bob and snow.... Don't worry about it, I don't have the time to go back and find out who started it... Now, most readers know NOT to post or repost old quotes or post of that stuff. If new comers accidently post it I will let them know NOT to do it because the Admin. has asked us NOT to do it.Nathan first mentioned Stranges on post 892317. Snow mentioned Stranges on post was 892487. Do you have time to look closely at those numbers? If you do you will realise that: Nathan was the first to post Stranges science fiction.
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Post by nathan on Mar 23, 2020 1:01:02 GMT -5
Don't worry about it, I don't have the time to go back and find out who started it... Now, most readers know NOT to post or repost old quotes or post of that stuff. If new comers accidently post it I will let them know NOT to do it because the Admin. has asked us NOT to do it. Nathan first mentioned Stranges on post 892317. Snow mentioned Stranges on post was 892487. Do you have time to look closely at those numbers? If you do you will realise that: Nathan was the first to post Stranges science fiction. Just forget fixit.... I don't have time for these nonsense anymore... If you want Stranges science fiction off the main board you got your wish but you won't get me ban on the main board and TMB anymore with your sneaky tactic! So, let the dead dog dies, fixit/you lost the War. I am still here and posting on TMB.
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Post by fixit on Mar 23, 2020 1:04:26 GMT -5
Nathan first mentioned Stranges on post 892317. Snow mentioned Stranges on post was 892487. Do you have time to look closely at those numbers? If you do you will realise that: Nathan was the first to post Stranges science fiction. Just forget fixit.... I don't have time for these nonsense anymore... If you want Stranges science fiction off the main board you got your wish but you won't get me ban on the main board and TMB anymore with your sneaky tactic! So, let the dead dog dies, fixit/you lost the War. I am still here and posting on TMB.
I'm happy to leave it there as long as no one else brings it up.
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