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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 10, 2020 21:42:56 GMT -5
Don't talk so foolishly. Canadians don't pay their taxes at gunpoint, they vote for them. right...try stop paying taxes and see what happens to you canada, us or australia.... You act so uneducated. Try stop paying taxes in the US and see what happens. What do you know about Canada to begin with? You didn't even know that Canadians got trials by juries of their peers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 22:19:31 GMT -5
right...try stop paying taxes and see what happens to you canada, us or australia.... What do you know about Canada to begin with? You didn't even know that Canadians got trials by juries of their peers. i don't remember saying that could you show me the post where i did?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 10, 2020 22:54:39 GMT -5
Don't talk so foolishly. Canadians don't pay their taxes at gunpoint, they vote for them. right...try stop paying taxes and see what happens to you canada, us or australia.... In cases of tax evasion in NZ you will be taken to court by the Infernal Revenue Dept. Serious cases will end up in jail. Some get home d. It is usually business owners that do the evasion for such things as not paying the PAYE or GST they have collected off employees and through sales. We have a similar system of healthcare to Britain, Canada and Australia. No complaints at all. The rubbish spouted in that video is born of a fear that the people of the USA will wake up one day to how much they are being conned.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 10, 2020 22:59:30 GMT -5
Much the same in Australia, you can take out private cover health insurance if you can afford it. Not cheap, as pensioners it is beyond our budget. Public system has worked well for us, no complaints. I had a friend in Chch that had a bad mammogram. She was Australian working here in NZ. The hospital said they would do an op in about four weeks time which is about par for the course here I think. However we zipped over to Canberra on a Saturday where her sister, a doctor had organised an operation for the following Monday. All medical notes where sent over no problem at all. No cost for the operation or the following treatment. No complaints either for the wonderful service.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 10, 2020 23:03:34 GMT -5
One point I would like to raise is how many countries got together to help the burn victims when Whakaari Island blew up and killed 21 people. Specialists from all over the world flew in. Patients were taken to Australia and USA. Many of them were tourists so were returning to their countries but needed to be fit enough for a long haul flight. The USA sent loads of skin for grafting. Not sure where they get skin from. That bit intrigued me. Those that died generally did so because they were blown to pieces by the force of the blast or had their lungs filled with 800 centigrade gas. Just like on Venus.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 10, 2020 23:24:05 GMT -5
What do you know about Canada to begin with? You didn't even know that Canadians got trials by juries of their peers. i don't remember saying that could you show me the post where i did? I don't have time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 23:30:32 GMT -5
i don't remember saying that could you show me the post where i did? I don't have time. yeah right....
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Post by snow on Mar 11, 2020 19:32:17 GMT -5
Don't talk so foolishly. Canadians don't pay their taxes at gunpoint, they vote for them. right...try stop paying taxes and see what happens to you canada, us or australia.... free room and board?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 22:59:35 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 12, 2020 1:47:31 GMT -5
Put on a diaper if you can't hold it.
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Post by snow on Mar 12, 2020 14:01:42 GMT -5
I disagree but I have to wonder why you are so against what works for another country? I have shown you my experience and some of it has been recent but you continue to post things to try and make it look like the US has a better system. Why are you doing that? Our system isn't perfect as I've said many times before, but it's also not as bad or even as close to as bad as your videos are saying.
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Post by Annan on Mar 12, 2020 17:31:14 GMT -5
I disagree but I have to wonder why you are so against what works for another country? I have shown you my experience and some of it has been recent but you continue to post things to try and make it look like the US has a better system. Why are you doing that? Our system isn't perfect as I've said many times before, but it's also not as bad or even as close to as bad as your videos are saying. I am interested in your answers, Snow. With Bernie Sanders as a possible presidential candidate... although it doesn't look good...we could end up with universal healthcare. I think healthcare for all is a wonderful idea. It would take a lot to implement, but worth a try. We could learn from any problems countries like yours have had to overcome. My husband is totally against universal healthcare. He calls me a socialist. It seems the middle class pays for all in the states. Pennsylvania is call the land of taxes. We are free for all state. How much more can we bear? And since we are on the subject... I have no problem with welfare as a hand up, not a handout and not a lifestyle. In my sister's state of Oregon... unless things have changed... there are no handouts. The state will put you to work before they will fill your pockets. I understand people making babies to collect a welfare check... well, I don't understand it, but you know what I mean, but how can anyone let an innocent child starve or go without healthcare? I have no medical insurance. Luckily I have no need for meds. At least I don't know that I need any meds as I have not had a blood test in years. Just a few aches and pains of aging. I'm waiting till I can get on medicare in two years. Holding my breath till then.
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Post by snow on Mar 12, 2020 18:37:46 GMT -5
I disagree but I have to wonder why you are so against what works for another country? I have shown you my experience and some of it has been recent but you continue to post things to try and make it look like the US has a better system. Why are you doing that? Our system isn't perfect as I've said many times before, but it's also not as bad or even as close to as bad as your videos are saying. I am interested in your answers, Snow. With Bernie Sanders as a possible presidential candidate... although it doesn't look good...we could end up with universal healthcare. I think healthcare for all is a wonderful idea. It would take a lot to implement, but worth a try. We could learn from any problems countries like yours have had to overcome. My husband is totally against universal healthcare. He calls me a socialist. It seems the middle class pays for all in the states. Pennsylvania is call the land of taxes. We are free for all state. How much more can we bear? And since we are on the subject... I have no problem with welfare as a hand up, not a handout and not a lifestyle. In my sister's state of Oregon... unless things have changed... there are no handouts. The state will put you to work before they will fill your pockets. I understand people making babies to collect a welfare check... well, I don't understand it, but you know what I mean, but how can anyone let an innocent child starve or go without healthcare? I have no medical insurance. Luckily I have no need for meds. At least I don't know that I need any meds as I have not had a blood test in years. Just a few aches and pains of aging. I'm waiting till I can get on medicare in two years. Holding my breath till then. I think most countries that do have universal healthcare are glad that they do. There are real benefits from it imo. It's not perfect and there are probably even better ways of providing affordable healthcare to everyone, but I think our system works pretty well. I have had to use it a lot in my life so I have a pretty good knowledge of how it works and I have no complaints. I love the peace of mind it gives me. I know that I will get what I need and I don't have to avoid going to the doctor just because I might not be able to afford it. It also prevents people from getting to an 'emergency' state of health when they are able to go in when they first have the problem and not waiting until it becomes dire.
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Post by Annan on Mar 12, 2020 18:49:05 GMT -5
It also prevents people from getting to an 'emergency' state of health when they are able to go in when they first have the problem and not waiting until it becomes dire. Absolutely. I am paying monthly on a $5,000 emergency room bill. It well may have been avoided had I taken care of myself with regular checkups and blood work. What breaks my heart is folks that can't afford their meds. The hubby is a disabled vet and gets most of his meds through the Veterans Administration. Otherwise, the cost would cripple us. We are both retired.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 18:59:31 GMT -5
I disagree but I have to wonder why you are so against what works for another country? I have shown you my experience and some of it has been recent but you continue to post things to try and make it look like the US has a better system. Why are you doing that? Our system isn't perfect as I've said many times before, but it's also not as bad or even as close to as bad as your videos are saying. i'm trying to show that this universal health care scheme is not necessarily working very well since it may be coming to my country....a lot of us don't want it and rightly so...
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Post by snow on Mar 12, 2020 19:43:00 GMT -5
I disagree but I have to wonder why you are so against what works for another country? I have shown you my experience and some of it has been recent but you continue to post things to try and make it look like the US has a better system. Why are you doing that? Our system isn't perfect as I've said many times before, but it's also not as bad or even as close to as bad as your videos are saying. i'm trying to show that this universal health care scheme is not necessarily working very well since it may be coming to my country....a lot of us don't want it and rightly so... What do you see that would work better wally? I believe what we have is better than what you have, but I would be interested in hearing what you think would be better? Do you like your current system or do you think a different system (not Canada's) would work better?
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Post by matisse on Mar 12, 2020 19:53:44 GMT -5
I pay over 7K per year just for the insurance premium for me and a dependent. There are co-pays, co-insurance and a sizable deductible on top of that. I'd be more than happy to pay that in taxes instead of to an insurance company if we could have a system like the one Canada has. When I had to have surgery a few years ago, it took 3 months to get an appointment with the surgeon, and another 3 months for a spot on the surgical schedule. It's not like we can get whatever we want on the spot in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 19:59:44 GMT -5
i'm trying to show that this universal health care scheme is not necessarily working very well since it may be coming to my country....a lot of us don't want it and rightly so... What do you see that would work better wally? I believe what we have is better than what you have, but I would be interested in hearing what you think would be better? Do you like your current system or do you think a different system (not Canada's) would work better? i like it the way it is now...even illegals get coverage at the emergency room....
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Post by snow on Mar 12, 2020 20:03:35 GMT -5
What do you see that would work better wally? I believe what we have is better than what you have, but I would be interested in hearing what you think would be better? Do you like your current system or do you think a different system (not Canada's) would work better? i like it the way it is now...even illegals get coverage at the emergency room.... But that's not the way emergency rooms should be used. The best healthcare is a system where conditions can be caught BEFORE they become an emergency room issue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 20:09:01 GMT -5
i like it the way it is now...even illegals get coverage at the emergency room.... But that's not the way emergency rooms should be used. The best healthcare is a system where conditions can be caught BEFORE they become an emergency room issue. true but it does work in the form it is right now....we are covered in the US by insurance, cash, medicare or medicad...i have only heard of a few folks ever being turned away under any of those circumstances...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 20:09:21 GMT -5
Wally there are treatments after ED. They can become expensive through no fault of your own. It should be available to all, not dependent on your financial situation. We are supposed to be developed countries.
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Post by snow on Mar 12, 2020 20:13:25 GMT -5
But that's not the way emergency rooms should be used. The best healthcare is a system where conditions can be caught BEFORE they become an emergency room issue. true but it does work in the form it is right now....we are covered in the US by insurance, cash, medicare or medicad...i have only heard of a few folks ever being turned away under any of those circumstances... I have met a lot of people while I traveled through your country and one of the most prevalent things I have heard from them is that they don't go to the doctor unless they absolutely have no choice. They just can't afford it. A system that doesn't take doctors appointments into consideration doesn't seem like a good one to me. So many conditions can be contained and even cured if we catch them early enough. By the time someone is sick enough to be heading into emerg or because they have no other choice they are so sick, that time frame where it could have been caught it over. Then the healthcare system is dealing with a bigger and more expensive problem.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 12, 2020 22:05:04 GMT -5
But that's not the way emergency rooms should be used. The best healthcare is a system where conditions can be caught BEFORE they become an emergency room issue. true but it does work in the form it is right now....we are covered in the US by insurance, cash, medicare or medicad...i have only heard of a few folks ever being turned away under any of those circumstances... Are you a shareholder in an insurance company? They are the ones getting filthy rich out of medical insurance instead of having a non profit system through taxation.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 12, 2020 22:20:37 GMT -5
I disagree but I have to wonder why you are so against what works for another country? I have shown you my experience and some of it has been recent but you continue to post things to try and make it look like the US has a better system. Why are you doing that? Our system isn't perfect as I've said many times before, but it's also not as bad or even as close to as bad as your videos are saying. i'm trying to show that this universal health care scheme is not necessarily working very well since it may be coming to my country....a lot of us don't want it and rightly so... You're trying hard, but the people who have it aren't buying it. Are they all idiots?
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 12, 2020 22:34:25 GMT -5
What do you see that would work better wally? I believe what we have is better than what you have, but I would be interested in hearing what you think would be better? Do you like your current system or do you think a different system (not Canada's) would work better? i like it the way it is now...even illegals get coverage at the emergency room.... No one gets coverage at the emergency room. The people who come there with coverage get emergency care PLUS The rest only get absolute emergency care -- if it's a public hospital. And that includes US citizens who don't have coverage. And the bill can be several times that of someone with coverage.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 12, 2020 22:35:52 GMT -5
true but it does work in the form it is right now....we are covered in the US by insurance, cash, medicare or medicad...i have only heard of a few folks ever being turned away under any of those circumstances... Are you a shareholder in an insurance company? They are the ones getting filthy rich out of medical insurance instead of having a non profit system through taxation. Wally has special privileges when it comes to medical treatment in this country. He thinks everyone else has it so well.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 12, 2020 22:37:50 GMT -5
true but it does work in the form it is right now....we are covered in the US by insurance, cash, medicare or medicad...i have only heard of a few folks ever being turned away under any of those circumstances... I have met a lot of people while I traveled through your country and one of the most prevalent things I have heard from them is that they don't go to the doctor unless they absolutely have no choice. They just can't afford it. A system that doesn't take doctors appointments into consideration doesn't seem like a good one to me. So many conditions can be contained and even cured if we catch them early enough. By the time someone is sick enough to be heading into emerg or because they have no other choice they are so sick, that time frame where it could have been caught it over. Then the healthcare system is dealing with a bigger and more expensive problem. And even if you have insurance, a doctor can simply way "We don't accept that insurance."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 23:17:51 GMT -5
i like it the way it is now...even illegals get coverage at the emergency room.... No one gets coverage at the emergency room. The people who come there with coverage get emergency care PLUS The rest only get absolute emergency care -- if it's a public hospital. And that includes US citizens who don't have coverage. And the bill can be several times that of someone with coverage. what are you talking about? emergency care PLUS? what, you think some people are getting medical care thats different than anyone elses? its all the same machines, meds, doctors, nurses, methods...
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