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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 22:25:56 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Mar 10, 2020 14:06:09 GMT -5
Wally I don't know about Quebec but I can tell you what it's like in Alberta. Our CAT Scans, MRI's and Ultrasounds run 24 hours around the clock 7 days a week. In fact I have one booked that isn't an emergency at 2 am on a Sunday. So he is not telling the truth. And if there was any expectation that there was something wrong with her pregnancy it would have taken precedence here. No question. I had back surgery. I injured myself in October of 1999 and was immediately sent for an xray that determined I had a hernia and I needed an MRI. I went in for the MRI within weeks of that and they decided that if my physio didn't help I would be booked for surgery. I was immediately sent to a pain clinic and underwent 4 months of treatment, mostly because I was very reluctant to have back surgery. When I finally decided I probably should do what they recommended I was booked in and had my surgery within a month. All this was 'free'. By that I mean it was covered by what I pay in taxes. No deductibles, no monthly fees, no costs out of pocket at all. The colonoscopy one is just absolute rubbish. We get one done every year. We go into a prepping session that everyone goes to and at the end of it you book your appointment. It is always in 2 weeks time. My husband just had his and that's exactly what happened. Again, no extra cost. The next one is also absolutely wrong. My husband and I were in the states when he was diagnosed with bladder cancer in emerg down there. I phoned our family doctor and told her and also told her we would be home within a week and a half and to book an appointment. We were advised by all the doctors we saw in the states to get home quickly and not try to go through the system in the states because it would be very costly. We got home about a week later and there was a message on our answering machine saying that my husband's appointment with the surgeon was the next day at 2 pm. He went to the appointment and 2 weeks later he had the surgery and started follow up treatment. Again, all of it at no extra cost other than what we pay in taxes. And yes when the cancer has progressed to where there is no more treatment possible we also just had a recent experience with that with our neighbor. Everything was done that could be done in a timely manner. When there was nothing left to do he went to hospice which was as good as you could ask for. I know from experience it's very good as I used to be a volunteer in hospice. Again, no extra cost out of pocket. So either Quebec really sucks as he says or he's downright lying. I suspect the latter. Since I have had experience with all the things he mentioned and know that it is not the way it is in my province, I would have to say he's wrong to say we don't have a good system. Is it perfect? No. But it's a hell of a lot better than what the States has at the moment. I have heard of many people going bankrupt just to have a cancer patient get the same treatment that we get here by just paying our taxes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 14:34:00 GMT -5
Same in Australia Snow. The cost of my heart surgery would have been $300,000. Did not cost a cent, transported to major Hospital by light aircraft. Could not have wished for better treatment, never carried a wallet, no bills afterward. First thing they do is put a wrist band on you and in big letters it says "No Charge".
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Post by Grant on Mar 10, 2020 14:57:41 GMT -5
Same in Australia Snow. The cost of my heart surgery would have been $300,000. Did not cost a cent, transported to major Hospital by light aircraft. Could not have wished for better treatment, never carried a wallet, no bills afterward. First thing they do is put a wrist band on you and in big letters it says "No Charge". No charge, does that mean you're forgiven? Oh ok, that message was to the hospital not to God.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 15:31:39 GMT -5
Enuf, I don't know about forgiven, but I was given top treatment. Can't reconcile how God allowed that for such a sinner. But forever grateful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 17:11:00 GMT -5
Wally I don't know about Quebec but I can tell you what it's like in Alberta. Our CAT Scans, MRI's and Ultrasounds run 24 hours around the clock 7 days a week. In fact I have one booked that isn't an emergency at 2 am on a Sunday. So he is not telling the truth. And if there was any expectation that there was something wrong with her pregnancy it would have taken precedence here. No question. I had back surgery. I injured myself in October of 1999 and was immediately sent for an xray that determined I had a hernia and I needed an MRI. I went in for the MRI within weeks of that and they decided that if my physio didn't help I would be booked for surgery. I was immediately sent to a pain clinic and underwent 4 months of treatment, mostly because I was very reluctant to have back surgery. When I finally decided I probably should do what they recommended I was booked in and had my surgery within a month. All this was 'free'. By that I mean it was covered by what I pay in taxes. No deductibles, no monthly fees, no costs out of pocket at all. The colonoscopy one is just absolute rubbish. We get one done every year. We go into a prepping session that everyone goes to and at the end of it you book your appointment. It is always in 2 weeks time. My husband just had his and that's exactly what happened. Again, no extra cost. The next one is also absolutely wrong. My husband and I were in the states when he was diagnosed with bladder cancer in emerg down there. I phoned our family doctor and told her and also told her we would be home within a week and a half and to book an appointment. We were advised by all the doctors we saw in the states to get home quickly and not try to go through the system in the states because it would be very costly. We got home about a week later and there was a message on our answering machine saying that my husband's appointment with the surgeon was the next day at 2 pm. He went to the appointment and 2 weeks later he had the surgery and started follow up treatment. Again, all of it at no extra cost other than what we pay in taxes. And yes when the cancer has progressed to where there is no more treatment possible we also just had a recent experience with that with our neighbor. Everything was done that could be done in a timely manner. When there was nothing left to do he went to hospice which was as good as you could ask for. I know from experience it's very good as I used to be a volunteer in hospice. Again, no extra cost out of pocket. So either Quebec really sucks as he says or he's downright lying. I suspect the latter. Since I have had experience with all the things he mentioned and know that it is not the way it is in my province, I would have to say he's wrong to say we don't have a good system. Is it perfect? No. But it's a hell of a lot better than what the States has at the moment. I have heard of many people going bankrupt just to have a cancer patient get the same treatment that we get here by just paying our taxes. i've heard other stories too that reflect the same thing about the system in canada they all seem to follow the same pattern....delayed delayed delayed
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Post by snow on Mar 10, 2020 17:39:09 GMT -5
Wally I don't know about Quebec but I can tell you what it's like in Alberta. Our CAT Scans, MRI's and Ultrasounds run 24 hours around the clock 7 days a week. In fact I have one booked that isn't an emergency at 2 am on a Sunday. So he is not telling the truth. And if there was any expectation that there was something wrong with her pregnancy it would have taken precedence here. No question. I had back surgery. I injured myself in October of 1999 and was immediately sent for an xray that determined I had a hernia and I needed an MRI. I went in for the MRI within weeks of that and they decided that if my physio didn't help I would be booked for surgery. I was immediately sent to a pain clinic and underwent 4 months of treatment, mostly because I was very reluctant to have back surgery. When I finally decided I probably should do what they recommended I was booked in and had my surgery within a month. All this was 'free'. By that I mean it was covered by what I pay in taxes. No deductibles, no monthly fees, no costs out of pocket at all. The colonoscopy one is just absolute rubbish. We get one done every year. We go into a prepping session that everyone goes to and at the end of it you book your appointment. It is always in 2 weeks time. My husband just had his and that's exactly what happened. Again, no extra cost. The next one is also absolutely wrong. My husband and I were in the states when he was diagnosed with bladder cancer in emerg down there. I phoned our family doctor and told her and also told her we would be home within a week and a half and to book an appointment. We were advised by all the doctors we saw in the states to get home quickly and not try to go through the system in the states because it would be very costly. We got home about a week later and there was a message on our answering machine saying that my husband's appointment with the surgeon was the next day at 2 pm. He went to the appointment and 2 weeks later he had the surgery and started follow up treatment. Again, all of it at no extra cost other than what we pay in taxes. And yes when the cancer has progressed to where there is no more treatment possible we also just had a recent experience with that with our neighbor. Everything was done that could be done in a timely manner. When there was nothing left to do he went to hospice which was as good as you could ask for. I know from experience it's very good as I used to be a volunteer in hospice. Again, no extra cost out of pocket. So either Quebec really sucks as he says or he's downright lying. I suspect the latter. Since I have had experience with all the things he mentioned and know that it is not the way it is in my province, I would have to say he's wrong to say we don't have a good system. Is it perfect? No. But it's a hell of a lot better than what the States has at the moment. I have heard of many people going bankrupt just to have a cancer patient get the same treatment that we get here by just paying our taxes. i've heard other stories too that reflect the same thing about the system in canada they all seem to follow the same pattern....delayed delayed delayed We have a system that takes the most critical first. I have absolutely no quarrel with that. But as I showed you above, those have been my experiences and I can't see anything wrong with any of them. And, I never had to pay a monthly fee or out of pocket when I showed up at the hospital doors. That's pretty hard to beat imo. Can you say that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 17:42:16 GMT -5
Have a sore toe, you have to wait. Have a heart attack, immediate attention.
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Post by snow on Mar 10, 2020 17:52:47 GMT -5
Have a sore toe, you have to wait. Have a heart attack, immediate attention. I see nothing wrong with that. I certainly wouldn't want my less urgent problem to take precedence over someone who is critical. And sometimes that's exactly what happens because someone has the money to get special treatment and the other doesn't. I find that to be appalling. We are slowly developing a two tier system in Canada. Some specialist have got together and formed corporations that cater to those who are willing to pay for immediate attention. I don't have a problem with that because they don't use the public system and so they aren't pushing someone more critical into second place and when they pay for their attention through those corporations they free the public system up for those who can't afford immediate attention no matter what their ailment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 17:59:40 GMT -5
Much the same in Australia, you can take out private cover health insurance if you can afford it. Not cheap, as pensioners it is beyond our budget. Public system has worked well for us, no complaints.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 18:01:25 GMT -5
i've heard other stories too that reflect the same thing about the system in canada they all seem to follow the same pattern....delayed delayed delayed We have a system that takes the most critical first. I have absolutely no quarrel with that. But as I showed you above, those have been my experiences and I can't see anything wrong with any of them. And, I never had to pay a monthly fee or out of pocket when I showed up at the hospital doors. That's pretty hard to beat imo. Can you say that? its actually not free your paying beaucoup in taxes to fund it....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 18:09:50 GMT -5
Good system Wally, the rich help to support the poor. Very Christian, don't you think. What Jesus would recommend.
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Post by snow on Mar 10, 2020 18:17:02 GMT -5
We have a system that takes the most critical first. I have absolutely no quarrel with that. But as I showed you above, those have been my experiences and I can't see anything wrong with any of them. And, I never had to pay a monthly fee or out of pocket when I showed up at the hospital doors. That's pretty hard to beat imo. Can you say that? its actually not free your paying beaucoup in taxes to fund it.... Yes, I said that in my first post. Did you miss that? And actually it's not all that bad as far as taxes go. We pay based on our income. What I did say was that I don't ever have to make monthly payments or pay anything when I show up at the door of the hospital. So no where did I say it was free.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 18:17:43 GMT -5
Good system Wally, the rich help to support the poor. Very Christian, don't you think. What Jesus would recommend. voluntarily yes, at the point of a firearm(tax enforcement) no....
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 10, 2020 18:37:25 GMT -5
Wally I don't know about Quebec but I can tell you what it's like in Alberta. I've lived in PE, NB, and QC -- Just like Alberta. And everyone is covered for coronavirus.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 10, 2020 18:43:18 GMT -5
Good system Wally, the rich help to support the poor. Very Christian, don't you think. What Jesus would recommend. voluntarily yes, at the point of a firearm(tax enforcement) no.... Don't talk so foolishly. Canadians don't pay their taxes at gunpoint, they vote for them.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 10, 2020 18:49:34 GMT -5
Have a sore toe, you have to wait. Have a heart attack, immediate attention. My father got open heart surgery on a five-day notice -- time for pre-op and transportation necessities. Not a penny out of pocket expenses -- IN QUEBEC.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 10, 2020 19:00:24 GMT -5
Good system Wally, the rich help to support the poor. Very Christian, don't you think. What Jesus would recommend. The only problem with the plan in the US is class politics -- the wealthy don't want the poor to be as healthy. How do we know? In Canada, the filthy rich get all the same benefits without paying out of pocket either.Their wealth doesn't make them more worthy of living healthier lives than poor people.
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Post by snow on Mar 10, 2020 19:01:59 GMT -5
Good system Wally, the rich help to support the poor. Very Christian, don't you think. What Jesus would recommend. voluntarily yes, at the point of a firearm(tax enforcement) no.... Our taxes are required in a society to provide for the necessities. They support our fire departments, build and maintain our infrastructure and subsidize our healthcare (at least it does in Canada). Taxes may not be popular and we do complain about them often, but they definitely do contribute to a better standard of living.
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Post by snow on Mar 10, 2020 19:03:38 GMT -5
Wally I don't know about Quebec but I can tell you what it's like in Alberta. I've lived in PE, NB, and QC -- Just like Alberta. And everyone is covered for coronavirus. So do you agree with the video at all? I thought it sounded more like an advertisement for a political party in the states then what actually happens in Canada.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 19:05:13 GMT -5
Good system Wally, the rich help to support the poor. Very Christian, don't you think. What Jesus would recommend. voluntarily yes, at the point of a firearm(tax enforcement) no.... They don't use guns in Australia to collect taxes. Dare say it is the same in Canada, great countries to live in, would not swap with you Wally Tell your mob to get onto the recipe. Even conservative Governments are waking up that supporting welfare recipients helps the economy overall. At the moment our conservative Government is about to announce a stimulus package to counter the downturn caused by coronavirus. Handouts to welfare recipients have been forecast. The money will get spent right away, keep people in jobs, and business afloat. Does work, has in the past. Just love those handouts. It is an equitable way to spread wealth, and keeps everybody happy, plus it conforms with Christian principles, Jesus would be proud. The only way to waste money is put it in a heap and burn it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 10, 2020 19:06:51 GMT -5
I've lived in PE, NB, and QC -- Just like Alberta. And everyone is covered for coronavirus. So do you agree with the video at all? I thought it sounded more like an advertisement for a political party in the states then what actually happens in Canada. My question was, "How much did they pay him to make that spiel?" Boolshat.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 10, 2020 19:10:16 GMT -5
voluntarily yes, at the point of a firearm(tax enforcement) no.... They don't use guns in Australia to collect taxes. Dare say it is the same in Canada, great countries to live in, would not swap with you Wally Tell your mob to get onto the recipe. Even conservative Governments are waking up that supporting welfare recipients helps the economy overall. At the moment our conservative Government is about to announce a stimulus package to counter the downturn caused by coronavirus. Handouts to welfare recipients have been forecast. The money will get spent right away, keep people in jobs, and business afloat. Does work, has in the past. Just love those handouts. It is an equitable way to spread wealth, and keeps everybody happy, plus it conforms with Christian principles. The only way to waste money is put it in a heap and burn it. Money is meant to be circulated, not hoarded. In recessions, the money doesn't disappear -- it gets stockpiled by the greedy.
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Post by snow on Mar 10, 2020 19:11:12 GMT -5
All I know is that I would be a whole lot more in debt if I had to pay for everything I have benefited from over the years. I have had 9 surgeries and all except one of them were done in a timely fashion and I didn't have to worry about paying extra for them. The one I had to wait for was delayed because of a nurses strike. I had my gall bladder out three years ago and I found out on a Sunday that I needed emergency surgery. I had to be on a clear liquid diet to get my pancreas enzymes down before they could operate, but I had the surgery on the Wednesday and was back home by Friday. So I honestly don't know how anyone could find fault with the system that provides that kind of service. My ambulance ride from urgent care to the hospital Sunday night was also paid for because if was physician requested. Otherwise that is something I would have to have paid out of pocket for if I had called one myself. Yes it wasn't free because I pay taxes, but it was worry free because I knew it was already paid for.
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Post by snow on Mar 10, 2020 19:12:44 GMT -5
voluntarily yes, at the point of a firearm(tax enforcement) no.... They don't use guns in Australia to collect taxes. Dare say it is the same in Canada, great countries to live in, would not swap with you Wally Tell your mob to get onto the recipe. Even conservative Governments are waking up that supporting welfare recipients helps the economy overall. At the moment our conservative Government is about to announce a stimulus package to counter the downturn caused by coronavirus. Handouts to welfare recipients have been forecast. The money will get spent right away, keep people in jobs, and business afloat. Does work, has in the past. Just love those handouts. It is an equitable way to spread wealth, and keeps everybody happy, plus it conforms with Christian principles, Jesus would be proud. The only way to waste money is put it in a heap and burn it. Kind of off the topic a bit, but I read today that Italy is in lock down because of the many deaths there and while they are in lock down mortgage payments are suspended from having to be paid. That's decent.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 10, 2020 19:15:37 GMT -5
All I know is that I would be a whole lot more in debt if I had to pay for everything I have benefited from over the years. I have had 9 surgeries and all except one of them were done in a timely fashion and I didn't have to worry about paying extra for them. The one I had to wait for was delayed because of a nurses strike. I had my gall bladder out three years ago and I found out on a Sunday that I needed emergency surgery. I had to be on a clear liquid diet to get my pancreas enzymes down before they could operate, but I had the surgery on the Wednesday and was back home by Friday. So I honestly don't know how anyone could find fault with the system that provides that kind of service. My ambulance ride from urgent care to the hospital Sunday night was also paid for because if was physician requested. Otherwise that is something I would have to have paid out of pocket for if I had called one myself. Yes it wasn't free because I pay taxes, but it was worry free because I knew it was already paid for. What industrial country has half a million personal bankruptcies annually because of medical bills? The US. Which country has the higher overall average of personal wealth? Canada
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 10, 2020 19:19:49 GMT -5
They don't use guns in Australia to collect taxes. Dare say it is the same in Canada, great countries to live in, would not swap with you Wally Tell your mob to get onto the recipe. Even conservative Governments are waking up that supporting welfare recipients helps the economy overall. At the moment our conservative Government is about to announce a stimulus package to counter the downturn caused by coronavirus. Handouts to welfare recipients have been forecast. The money will get spent right away, keep people in jobs, and business afloat. Does work, has in the past. Just love those handouts. It is an equitable way to spread wealth, and keeps everybody happy, plus it conforms with Christian principles, Jesus would be proud. The only way to waste money is put it in a heap and burn it. Kind of off the topic a bit, but I read today that Italy is in lock down because of the many deaths there and while they are in lock down mortgage payments are suspended from having to be paid. That's decent. Excellent planning.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 20:05:39 GMT -5
voluntarily yes, at the point of a firearm(tax enforcement) no.... Don't talk so foolishly. Canadians don't pay their taxes at gunpoint, they vote for them. right...try stop paying taxes and see what happens to you canada, us or australia....
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