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Post by mountain on Mar 11, 2020 16:24:20 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, thanks for the naustalgia. What I liked best was how you played along with it, pretending the letter was authentic and causing the stir that it did. A wizard wheeze at the time. Some were fooled into thinking you were taken in by it, not realising you were in on it from the start. *** From the start I told the readers the letter was a HOAX! Because William Irvine did NOT have a sister by the name Dorothy! And many of the posters said the same thing it's Ram writings! but a few readers thought it might be authentic ( Jason, speak and Str). If you had admitted from the start it was a joke then there wouldn't be much of chaos and confusion but you played on both sides of the fences and made it worse. You wrote I should be pleased with Dorothy Irvine letter and I said Heck NO! from the start because I KNEW the letter started by YOU! You were the AUTHOR! You like to play games! And you think it's funny and smart on your part that you can fool people with your writings skills. From what I remember, your initial posts clearly indicated: 1) You played along with the presentation, or 2) You were indeed fooled by the presentation for a while. Anyway, do you have any information about Trevor Irvine? It seems he was treated pretty badly?
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Post by nathan on Mar 11, 2020 16:40:29 GMT -5
*** From the start I told the readers the letter was a HOAX! Because William Irvine did NOT have a sister by the name Dorothy! And many of the posters said the same thing it's Ram writings! but a few readers thought it might be authentic ( Jason, speak and Str). If you had admitted from the start it was a joke then there wouldn't be much of chaos and confusion but you played on both sides of the fences and made it worse. You wrote I should be pleased with Dorothy Irvine letter and I said Heck NO! from the start because I KNEW the letter started by YOU! You were the AUTHOR! You like to play games! And you think it's funny and smart on your part that you can fool people with your writings skills. From what I remember, your initial posts clearly indicated: 1) You played along with the presentation, or 2) You were indeed fooled by the presentation for a while. Anyway, do you have any information about Trevor Irvine? It seems he was treated pretty badly? ** I showed the readers and you the thread, you can go back from beginning and read it for yourself. I didn't play your game but I exposed your HOAX! And any of the readers did too! Now, you going to play another silly game, again with Trevor Irvine. Many of the readers know your silly games too well, by now, RAM/Mountain.
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Post by snow on Mar 11, 2020 20:52:42 GMT -5
Nathan goes Red because he is embarrassed. Somehow I can't believe he's ever embarrassed. If something happens that would embarrass the rest of us he just rewrites the story to make it okay again.
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Post by snow on Mar 11, 2020 20:56:40 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, thanks for the naustalgia. What I liked best was how you played along with it, pretending the letter was authentic and causing the stir that it did. A wizard wheeze at the time. Some were fooled into thinking you were taken in by it, not realising you were in on it from the start. *** From the start I told the readers the letter was a HOAX! Because William Irvine did NOT have a sister by the name Dorothy! And many of the posters said the same thing it's Ram writings! but a few readers thought it might be authentic ( Jason, speak and Str). If you had admitted from the start it was a joke then there wouldn't be much of chaos and confusion but you played on both sides of the fences and made it worse. You wrote I should be pleased with Dorothy Irvine letter and I said Heck NO! from the start because I KNEW the letter started by YOU! You were the AUTHOR! You like to play games! And you think it's funny and smart on your part that you can fool people with your writings skills. Nathan from what I remember you did believe it initially.
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Post by nathan on Mar 11, 2020 23:49:41 GMT -5
*** From the start I told the readers the letter was a HOAX! Because William Irvine did NOT have a sister by the name Dorothy! And many of the posters said the same thing it's Ram writings! but a few readers thought it might be authentic ( Jason, speak and Str). If you had admitted from the start it was a joke then there wouldn't be much of chaos and confusion but you played on both sides of the fences and made it worse. You wrote I should be pleased with Dorothy Irvine letter and I said Heck NO! from the start because I KNEW the letter started by YOU! You were the AUTHOR! You like to play games! And you think it's funny and smart on your part that you can fool people with your writings skills. Nathan from what I remember you did believe it initially. NOPE! I did NOT. You remember incorrectly. Go back, and read the link I posted, you can see I spot the HOAX, from the start.... Jason, Speak and others fall for it ... There was NO Dorothy Irvine in William Irvine sisters!
professing.proboards.com/thread/15782/missing-link?page=1Feb 1, 2014 at 5:13pm Post by CherieKropp on Feb 1, 2014 at 5:13pm
Now that I think about it and did some checking, I see that it was Jason Landless who was so taken in by the Dorothy Irvine story, which was pretty funny to watch--Jason being Mr. Know-it-All! (Sorry again that I accused you Nate!) Thanks for the kind words.1) Jason wrote: If this is merely a sick attempt at humour, then I am thoroughly disgusted. It is monumentally unethical, particularly given the fact that I wasted significant time carefully reading the contents of the letter, looking into the minutia of its detail, in the assumption that Ram was being forthright. It is one thing to "kid" around with people, it is quite another to lead them up the garden path, allow them to persist in a lie that has been concocted, and to set people up in a situation where there is potential for this kind of nonsense to get out and become part of an urban myth. Concocting lies and falsehoods in order to get some fireworks out of professing people, and to see whether they will swallow it hook, line, and sinker is utterly reprehensible. I point out, Sharon, that you seemed fairly convinced a few posts back too. Unless that was merely part of the charade - the "fun" of baiting people and stirring up dissension. Revolting conduct from all involved.
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Post by mountain on Mar 12, 2020 4:59:10 GMT -5
From what I remember, your initial posts clearly indicated: 1) You played along with the presentation, or 2) You were indeed fooled by the presentation for a while. Anyway, do you have any information about Trevor Irvine? It seems he was treated pretty badly? ** I showed the readers and you the thread, you can go back from beginning and read it for yourself. I didn't play your game but I exposed your HOAX! And any of the readers did too! Now, you going to play another silly game, again with Trevor Irvine. Many of the readers know your silly games too well, by now, RAM/Mountain. Are you able to repost all the early posts after the Dorothy Irvine account was first published on TMB? As I understand it, you were circulating the information as genuine at the time. This suggests to me that either you were party to the event, or had succumbed to it, at least initially? Anyway, thanks again for re-posting Dorothy's letter. Have you any information about Trevor Irvine? The Chronicles are about his young life, but after that information seems to be very scarce indeed?
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Post by snow on Mar 12, 2020 13:34:58 GMT -5
** I showed the readers and you the thread, you can go back from beginning and read it for yourself. I didn't play your game but I exposed your HOAX! And any of the readers did too! Now, you going to play another silly game, again with Trevor Irvine. Many of the readers know your silly games too well, by now, RAM/Mountain. Are you able to repost all the early posts after the Dorothy Irvine account was first published on TMB? As I understand it, you were circulating the information as genuine at the time. This suggests to me that either you were party to the event, or had succumbed to it, at least initially? Anyway, thanks again for re-posting Dorothy's letter. Have you any information about Trevor Irvine? The Chronicles are about his young life, but after that information seems to be very scarce indeed? Well if he finds one that supports what we are saying will he just delete it?
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Post by mountain on Mar 12, 2020 16:48:47 GMT -5
Are you able to repost all the early posts after the Dorothy Irvine account was first published on TMB? As I understand it, you were circulating the information as genuine at the time. This suggests to me that either you were party to the event, or had succumbed to it, at least initially? Anyway, thanks again for re-posting Dorothy's letter. Have you any information about Trevor Irvine? The Chronicles are about his young life, but after that information seems to be very scarce indeed? Well if he finds one that supports what we are saying will he just delete it? He probably has already!
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Post by nathan on Mar 12, 2020 20:16:42 GMT -5
Well if he finds one that supports what we are saying will he just delete it? He probably has already! I posted this quite a few times already.... this is the original post first came on TMB, in 2010 posted by Ram/Mountain.... He deleted his alias RAM. professing.proboards.com/thread/15782/missing-link?page=1Feb 1, 2014 at 5:13pm Post by CherieKropp on Feb 1, 2014 at 5:13pm Now that I think about it and did some checking, I see that it was Jason Landless who was so taken in by the Dorothy Irvine story, which was pretty funny to watch--Jason being Mr. Know-it-All! (Sorry again that I accused you Nate!) Thanks for the kind words.
1) Jason Landles wrote: If this is merely a sick attempt at humor, then I am thoroughly disgusted. It is monumentally unethical, particularly given the fact that I wasted significant time carefully reading the contents of the letter, looking into the minutia of its detail, in the assumption that Ram was being forthright. It is one thing to "kid" around with people, it is quite another to lead them up the garden path, allow them to persist in a lie that has been concocted, and to set people up in a situation where there is potential for this kind of nonsense to get out and become part of an urban myth. Concocting lies and falsehoods in order to get some fireworks out of professing people, and to see whether they will swallow it hook, line, and sinker is utterly reprehensible. I point out, Sharon, that you seemed fairly convinced a few posts back too. Unless that was merely part of the charade - the "fun" of baiting people and stirring up dissension. Revolting conduct from all involved.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 22:20:53 GMT -5
i have gotten back an answer on why we have the format we do but i forgot to ask if i could put it on the forum so am waiting for that...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 22:23:54 GMT -5
Come on Wally be brave, don't wait for instructions. We won't tell anybody that you posted it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 23:31:12 GMT -5
okay i got a yes on putting it in my own words so here we go....
1. hymn we all come to meetings in different conditions by having a hymn we set a mood right off of reverence, quietness, even repentance and puts us on all the same level. 2. prayer prayer is more intimate than singing, this unites our soul with God, it is a solemn event and adds more quietness and such after a hymn and adds a softening of the heart. 3. hymn this has a further settling affect for everyone and can express a personal preference especially when it coincides with an upcoming testimony. 4. testimony are the essence of what we have seen and heard throughout the week, they do not have to be prophetic as it says in acts "we must speak about things we have seen and heard". 5, prayer for emblems having just experienced the previous parts of mtg prayer is very appropriate at this time.( i wally add my own part here) thats the format of the last supper give thanks(prayer) and then partake. 6. emblems from a scriptural standpoint we primarily gather to break bread. sunday meeting is not exclusively for worship. we are also to worship everyday of the week. 7. hymn closing the meeting with a hymn is an equalizer as well we can settle in to the lyrics as our time closes and settles us for the week ahead.
for us our format is about being equitable to all but the format especially upholds the righteousness of God and in a manner that is decent, respectful and orderly. other religious services can too easily become to chaotic, outlandish and embarrassing. some find the order to restrictive but that is probably do to anxiousness, rebellion or chaffing at authority. he never says who set this up...(i ASSume william irvine and co.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 22:23:57 GMT -5
Thanks Wally interesting. I think you are right the format has been used since day one. TMB would be a great help for number 4. " we must speak about things we have seen and heard".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 18:53:35 GMT -5
okay i got a yes on putting it in my own words so here we go.... 1. hymn we all come to meetings in different conditions by having a hymn we set a mood right off of reverence, quietness, even repentance and puts us on all the same level. 2. prayer prayer is more intimate than singing, this unites our soul with God, it is a solemn event and adds more quietness and such after a hymn and adds a softening of the heart. 3. hymn this has a further settling affect for everyone and can express a personal preference especially when it coincides with an upcoming testimony. 4. testimony are the essence of what we have seen and heard throughout the week, they do not have to be prophetic as it says in acts "we must speak about things we have seen and heard". 5, prayer for emblems having just experienced the previous parts of mtg prayer is very appropriate at this time.( i wally add my own part here) thats the format of the last supper give thanks(prayer) and then partake. 6. emblems from a scriptural standpoint we primarily gather to break bread. sunday meeting is not exclusively for worship. we are also to worship everyday of the week. 7. hymn closing the meeting with a hymn is an equalizer as well we can settle in to the lyrics as our time closes and settles us for the week ahead. for us our format is about being equitable to all but the format especially upholds the righteousness of God and in a manner that is decent, respectful and orderly. other religious services can too easily become to chaotic, outlandish and embarrassing. some find the order to restrictive but that is probably do to anxiousness, rebellion or chaffing at authority. he never says who set this up...(i ASSume william irvine and co.) i have never had a gospel meeting where the workers have gone over a question that i have given them before but today they went over the very things i asked on your behalf...they reiterated the above again and added the below... and they brought up an interesting why this time: 1Co_11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.we don't know what the ordinances were exactly that Paul delivered but the point is really that those in leadership have some authority to set ordinances for meetings, fellowship/worship, and gospel meeting structures and as long as those are edifying for the church and do not contradict anything Christ said we are good to go.... I.E a hymn is not a contradiction prayer is not a contradiction a hymn is not a contradiction testimonies are not a contradiction prayer over the emblems is not a contradiction taking the emblems is not a contradiction a closing hymn is not a contradiction
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 19:19:38 GMT -5
Yes it sounds like the old 2x2 speak. We got it right, everybody else got it wrong. Strange that.
Quote: "for us our format is about being equitable to all but the format especially upholds the righteousness of God and in a manner that is decent, respectful and orderly. other religious services can too easily become to chaotic, outlandish and embarrassing."
I mean to say how can they come to that conclusion. Have they bothered to go to other Church services, I would think not. Just another one of those armchair judgments that are made all the time. Self righteousness at its best.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 20:15:03 GMT -5
okay i got a yes on putting it in my own words so here we go.... 1. hymn we all come to meetings in different conditions by having a hymn we set a mood right off of reverence, quietness, even repentance and puts us on all the same level. 2. prayer prayer is more intimate than singing, this unites our soul with God, it is a solemn event and adds more quietness and such after a hymn and adds a softening of the heart. 3. hymn this has a further settling affect for everyone and can express a personal preference especially when it coincides with an upcoming testimony. 4. testimony are the essence of what we have seen and heard throughout the week, they do not have to be prophetic as it says in acts "we must speak about things we have seen and heard". 5, prayer for emblems having just experienced the previous parts of mtg prayer is very appropriate at this time.( i wally add my own part here) thats the format of the last supper give thanks(prayer) and then partake. 6. emblems from a scriptural standpoint we primarily gather to break bread. sunday meeting is not exclusively for worship. we are also to worship everyday of the week. 7. hymn closing the meeting with a hymn is an equalizer as well we can settle in to the lyrics as our time closes and settles us for the week ahead. for us our format is about being equitable to all but the format especially upholds the righteousness of God and in a manner that is decent, respectful and orderly. other religious services can too easily become to chaotic, outlandish and embarrassing. some find the order to restrictive but that is probably do to anxiousness, rebellion or chaffing at authority. he never says who set this up...(i ASSume william irvine and co.) quote 4. testimony are the essence of what we have seen and heard throughout the week, they do not have to be prophetic as it says in acts "we must speak about things we have seen and heard". unquote Electronic Search of the whole KJV Bible “we must speak about things we have seen and heard” - not found “we must speak about things we have seen” – not found “we must speak” – not found "about things we have seen and heard" - not found "we have seen and heard" - Act 4:20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. "and heard" - Act 4:20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. So which 'acts' might that whole phrase be found in – maybe just the workers' Meeting-acts where the rule is that "we MUST speak". I have heard the 'testimonies' in many 2x2 meetings - Oh, woe is me, but I must speak of the things I have seen and heard. I have seen and heard (in gossip) that I had a bad thought over the last week. And I just long to see and hear (in gossip) that I have done better in the coming days. so you say its not there...then you post the verse where it is there...okay...thanks for playing...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 21:41:09 GMT -5
“so you say its not there...then you post the verse where it is there...okay...thanks for playing... “ Oh, but read it again sam – its NOT there except by a good old 2x2 type word switch from “cannot but speak” to “we must speak.” I have found that most often 2x2s read their own ideas into the text in like manner. But thanks for quoting mine so I can clear it off this thread. thats called paraphrasing EVERYONE does it from time to time...there is little difference in meaning between the two terms....your welcome its not often one refutes ones own words like you did thought everyone should see it....
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Post by fixit on Mar 29, 2020 22:11:58 GMT -5
Nathan goes Red because he is embarrassed. Somehow I can't believe he's ever embarrassed. If something happens that would embarrass the rest of us he just rewrites the story to make it okay again. No wonder he likes Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 22:57:09 GMT -5
thats called paraphrasing EVERYONE does it from time to time...there is little difference in meaning between the two terms....your welcome its not often one refutes ones own words like you did thought everyone should see it.... Call it whatever you like - with quotation marks around it - but there is substantial difference in meaning between "cannot but speak" and "we must speak" - even in the English translation of non-English text. And I don't think that difference warrants the time it would take to see what the meaning is from the original language of the text - when you place quotation marks on some words it is only natural to expect those words to accurately quote, and yours did not do so. And paraphrase is always interpretation depending entirely upon the interpretation of the paraphraser - like I said I find that most often 2x2s read their own ideas into the text in like manner. like i thought there is no difference although i would like to see you try it.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 0:46:06 GMT -5
like i thought there is no difference although i would like to see you try it..... Awwww I nowwww – everyone that posts on this board has the same resuorces at ther hands to study up on the meaning of any original language used in the English translation of the Bible, but of course you would like me to do that work for you. Suppose I should attend a 2x2 meeting and “must” give testimony that I saw and heard a duck quack – would I hear all kinds of 'amens.' Suppose I were deaf from birth, but in meeting “must” give testimony that I saw a duck. Suppose I were blind from birth and gave testimony in meeting that I heard a quack sound. I think Acts Act 4:20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard has a context in even the English translation. And sure enough, in Act 4:18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus. Why base ANYTHING to do with meeting format on only Acts 4:20, and only, in fact, on a paraphrase of it, "we must speak about things we have seen and heard". verse 18 is a result of them giving their testimony and preaching the gospel which the pharisees/sadducees did not like...much like yourself with 2x2's that would give their testimony or preach the gospel or teach on a sunday...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 1:31:30 GMT -5
verse 18 is a result of them giving their testimony and preaching the gospel which the pharisees/sadducees did not like...much like yourself with 2x2's that would give their testimony or preach the gospel or teach on a sunday... Very good - some of the context shows up now - but I suppose that "much like yourself with 2x2's that would give their testimony or preach the gospel or teach on a sunday" is yet another of your 'paraphrases' - so and WHAT in the context of Acts 4:20m has DIDDLY to do with 2x2 meeting format? because when you come to meeting you must speak about what you have seen or heard and i don't mean you must stand up and speak but if you do it MUST be what you have seen or heard...it isn't that much of a leap of faith or understanding to do that is it? you do know that you are to apply the WHOLE bible to your life right? which would include meetings....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:24:46 GMT -5
because when you come to meeting you must speak about what you have seen or heard and i don't mean you must stand up and speak but if you do it MUST be what you have seen or heard...it isn't that much of a leap of faith or understanding to do that is it? you do know that you are to apply the WHOLE bible to your life right? which would include meetings.... This is quotation of apparently your wording of something you got permission to post on here regarding 2x2 meeting format: quote okay i got a yes on putting it in my own words so here we go.... 1. hymn we all come to meetings in different conditions by having a hymn we set a mood right off of reverence, quietness, even repentance and puts us on all the same level. 2. prayer prayer is more intimate than singing, this unites our soul with God, it is a solemn event and adds more quietness and such after a hymn and adds a softening of the heart. 3. hymn this has a further settling affect for everyone and can express a personal preference especially when it coincides with an upcoming testimony. 4. testimony are the essence of what we have seen and heard throughout the week, they do not have to be prophetic as it says in acts "we must speak about things we have seen and heard". 5, prayer for emblems having just experienced the previous parts of mtg prayer is very appropriate at this time.( i wally add my own part here) thats the format of the last supper give thanks(prayer) and then partake. 6. emblems from a scriptural standpoint we primarily gather to break bread. sunday meeting is not exclusively for worship. we are also to worship everyday of the week. 7. hymn closing the meeting with a hymn is an equalizer as well we can settle in to the lyrics as our time closes and settles us for the week ahead. Unquote So far I have only dealt with #4 and you apparently ignore/avoid giving ANY Biblical basis for (ab)use of Acts 4:20 all by itself. Maybe you might show how 1,2,3,5,6 and 7 fulfill “...you do know that you are to apply the WHOLE bible to your life right? which would include meetings....“ And then maybe I'll ask you how my application of the whole Bible to my life has DIDDLY to do with 2x2 meeting format. But none the less, here I am in your 2x2 meeting – I can't stand because I lost both legs in a war – and so I sit in my wheelchair and give testimony, having been born both blind and deaf, since I “ must speak about things (I) have seen and heard - ready now – here it comes -- ”.....................................................” Did you seen or heard that? If so you “must speak about things (you) have seen and heard” in your next 2x2 meeting - right! And if you speak what you seen and heard in that testimony, it would surely meet at least part of #1 and 2 - i.e., QUIETNESS - silence, in fact. And THAT part of the 2x2 meeting format would seem to directly oppose God's word - but it would certainly agree with Simon & Garfunkel - www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7McpVPlidcPsa_66:1 To the chief Musician, A Song or Psalm. Make a joyful noise unto God, all ye lands: Psa_81:1 To the chief Musician upon Gittith, A Psalm of Asaph. Sing aloud unto God our strength: make a joyful noise unto the God of Jacob. Psa_95:1 O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation. Psa_95:2 Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving, and make a joyful noise unto him with psalms. Psa_98:4 Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise. Psa_98:6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King. Psa_100:1 A Psalm of praise. Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all ye lands. your babbling nonsense now....
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 30, 2020 12:14:33 GMT -5
I posted this quite a few times already.... this is the original post first came on TMB, in 2010 posted by Ram/Mountain.... He deleted his alias RAM. professing.proboards.com/thread/15782/missing-link?page=1Feb 1, 2014 at 5:13pm Post by CherieKropp on Feb 1, 2014 at 5:13pm Now that I think about it and did some checking, I see that it was Jason Landless who was so taken in by the Dorothy Irvine story, which was pretty funny to watch--Jason being Mr. Know-it-All! (Sorry again that I accused you Nate!) Thanks for the kind words.
1) Jason Landles wrote: If this is merely a sick attempt at humor, then I am thoroughly disgusted. It is monumentally unethical, particularly given the fact that I wasted significant time carefully reading the contents of the letter, looking into the minutia of its detail, in the assumption that Ram was being forthright. It is one thing to "kid" around with people, it is quite another to lead them up the garden path, allow them to persist in a lie that has been concocted, and to set people up in a situation where there is potential for this kind of nonsense to get out and become part of an urban myth. Concocting lies and falsehoods in order to get some fireworks out of professing people, and to see whether they will swallow it hook, line, and sinker is utterly reprehensible. I point out, Sharon, that you seemed fairly convinced a few posts back too. Unless that was merely part of the charade - the "fun" of baiting people and stirring up dissension. Revolting conduct from all involved.
Nathan, you have been leading people up the garden path for years with the filth you post. You believe in Admiral Byrds fake Diaries. You believe in hollow planets. You quote false Dead sea scrolls. It is extremely hypocritical of you to to get your knickers knotted over the Dorothy Irvine business when you cannot see that you do exactly the same.
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Post by nathan on Mar 30, 2020 18:34:31 GMT -5
This is quotation of apparently your wording of something you got permission to post on here regarding 2x2 meeting format: quote okay i got a yes on putting it in my own words so here we go.... 1. hymn we all come to meetings in different conditions by having a hymn we set a mood right off of reverence, quietness, even repentance and puts us on all the same level. 2. prayer prayer is more intimate than singing, this unites our soul with God, it is a solemn event and adds more quietness and such after a hymn and adds a softening of the heart. 3. hymn this has a further settling affect for everyone and can express a personal preference especially when it coincides with an upcoming testimony. 4. testimony are the essence of what we have seen and heard throughout the week, they do not have to be prophetic as it says in acts "we must speak about things we have seen and heard". 5, prayer for emblems having just experienced the previous parts of mtg prayer is very appropriate at this time.( i wally add my own part here) thats the format of the last supper give thanks(prayer) and then partake. 6. emblems from a scriptural standpoint we primarily gather to break bread. sunday meeting is not exclusively for worship. we are also to worship everyday of the week. 7. hymn closing the meeting with a hymn is an equalizer as well we can settle in to the lyrics as our time closes and settles us for the week ahead. Unquote So far I have only dealt with #4 and you apparently ignore/avoid giving ANY Biblical basis for (ab)use of Acts 4:20 all by itself. Maybe you might show how 1,2,3,5,6 and 7 fulfill “...you do know that you are to apply the WHOLE bible to your life right? which would include meetings....“ And then maybe I'll ask you how my application of the whole Bible to my life has DIDDLY to do with 2x2 meeting format. But none the less, here I am in your 2x2 meeting – I can't stand because I lost both legs in a war – and so I sit in my wheelchair and give testimony, having been born both blind and deaf, since I “ must speak about things (I) have seen and heard - ready now – here it comes -- ”.....................................................” Did you seen or heard that? If so you “must speak about things (you) have seen and heard” in your next 2x2 meeting - right! And if you speak what you seen and heard in that testimony, it would surely meet at least part of #1 and 2 - i.e., QUIETNESS - silence, in fact. And THAT part of the 2x2 meeting format would seem to directly oppose God's word - but it would certainly agree with Simon & Garfunkel - www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7McpVPlidcPsa_66:1 To the chief Musician, A Song or Psalm. Make a joyful noise unto God, all ye lands: Psa_81:1 To the chief Musician upon Gittith, A Psalm of Asaph. Sing aloud unto God our strength: make a joyful noise unto the God of Jacob. Psa_95:1 O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation. Psa_95:2 Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving, and make a joyful noise unto him with psalms. Psa_98:4 Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise. Psa_98:6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King. Psa_100:1 A Psalm of praise. Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all ye lands. your babbling nonsense now.... When I was a Pentecostal in some churches they had the whole band playing and it was so noisy! and we had people speaking in tongues, some holly rollers rolling on the floor for 20 min.... What a great contrast! Thanks, goodness for the quietness, peaceful, and calmness of just regular hymns singing among the believers to worship God and Christ.
In our gospel meetings we have an ex-worker and a friend play the piano for 5 min. before the workers speak. Sometimes, they have workers and friends play Piano, Cello, flute, guitars for get together for the friends in the field.
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Post by nathan on Mar 30, 2020 18:39:35 GMT -5
I posted this quite a few times already.... this is the original post first came on TMB, in 2010 posted by Ram/Mountain.... He deleted his alias RAM. professing.proboards.com/thread/15782/missing-link?page=1Feb 1, 2014 at 5:13pm Post by CherieKropp on Feb 1, 2014 at 5:13pm Now that I think about it and did some checking, I see that it was Jason Landless who was so taken in by the Dorothy Irvine story, which was pretty funny to watch--Jason being Mr. Know-it-All! (Sorry again that I accused you Nate!) Thanks for the kind words.
1) Jason Landles wrote: If this is merely a sick attempt at humor, then I am thoroughly disgusted. It is monumentally unethical, particularly given the fact that I wasted significant time carefully reading the contents of the letter, looking into the minutia of its detail, in the assumption that Ram was being forthright. It is one thing to "kid" around with people, it is quite another to lead them up the garden path, allow them to persist in a lie that has been concocted, and to set people up in a situation where there is potential for this kind of nonsense to get out and become part of an urban myth. Concocting lies and falsehoods in order to get some fireworks out of professing people, and to see whether they will swallow it hook, line, and sinker is utterly reprehensible. I point out, Sharon, that you seemed fairly convinced a few posts back too. Unless that was merely part of the charade - the "fun" of baiting people and stirring up dissension. Revolting conduct from all involved.
Nathan, you have been leading people up the garden path for years with the filth you post. You believe in Admiral Byrds fake Diaries. You believe in hollow planets. You quote false Dead sea scrolls. It is extremely hypocritical of you to to get your knickers knotted over the Dorothy Irvine business when you cannot see that you do exactly the same. You/Curly, know the TMB rules but you are keep on repeating it over and over again! I wonder how long the Admin. and moderators are going to tolerate you for keeping insulting me and others on TMB.
Rules: 1 No personal attacks, insults...The admin/moderators may, at their discretion, ban any member who continues to post against the 5 rules as above, or who is deemed to be causing or prolonging a disruption to the Truth Meetings Board.
WATCH your steps! you might get banned from posting.... Just a friendly reminder. They banned Bert, Brad L. and a few others on TMB. So be very careful if I were you.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 30, 2020 19:10:35 GMT -5
Nathan, you have been leading people up the garden path for years with the filth you post. You believe in Admiral Byrds fake Diaries. You believe in hollow planets. You quote false Dead sea scrolls. It is extremely hypocritical of you to to get your knickers knotted over the Dorothy Irvine business when you cannot see that you do exactly the same. You/Curly, know the TMB rules but you are keep on repeating it over and over again! I wonder how long the Admin. and moderators are going to tolerate you for keeping insulting me and others on TMB.
Rules: 1 No personal attacks, insults...The admin/moderators may, at their discretion, ban any member who continues to post against the 5 rules as above, or who is deemed to be causing or prolonging a disruption to the Truth Meetings Board.
WATCH your steps! you might get banned from posting.... Just a friendly reminder. They banned Bert, Brad L. and a few others on TMB. So be very careful if I were you. Where's the insult? Stop bullying people who hold you to account when you post lies.
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Post by nathan on Mar 30, 2020 19:19:19 GMT -5
You/Curly, know the TMB rules but you are keep on repeating it over and over again! I wonder how long the Admin. and moderators are going to tolerate you for keeping insulting me and others on TMB.
Rules: 1 No personal attacks, insults...The admin/moderators may, at their discretion, ban any member who continues to post against the 5 rules as above, or who is deemed to be causing or prolonging a disruption to the Truth Meetings Board.
WATCH your steps! you might get banned from posting.... Just a friendly reminder. They banned Bert, Brad L. and a few others on TMB. So be very careful if I were you. Where's the insult? Stop bullying people who hold you to account when you post lies. I will let the Admin. and the moderators decide that, curly.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 30, 2020 19:20:30 GMT -5
Where's the insult? Stop bullying people who hold you to account when you post lies. I will let the Admin. and the moderators decide that, curly.
Good for you bully boy.
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