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Post by mountain on Mar 10, 2020 13:09:41 GMT -5
Nathan loves donuts. In fact he is the best donut maker there is. I just love listening to his stories about 'hollow' donuts! And we enjoy reading your made up story of Dorthy William Irvine sister letter, the Fake Valiant Thor character on TMB, and many of your own creation stories through the years, too. Once more Nathan me old pal, the fake Valiant Thor ain't me. I don't blame you for not believing me, but it's true!
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Post by nathan on Mar 10, 2020 15:52:32 GMT -5
And we enjoy reading your made up story of Dorthy William Irvine sister letter, the Fake Valiant Thor character on TMB, and many of your own creation stories through the years, too. Once more Nathan me old pal, the fake Valiant Thor ain't me. I don't blame you for not believing me, but it's true! *** Hey, what happened to VT TMB, did he go home and retired from the board? How about Admiral Byrd? Are they tired to be a pretenders?
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Post by mountain on Mar 10, 2020 17:30:17 GMT -5
Once more Nathan me old pal, the fake Valiant Thor ain't me. I don't blame you for not believing me, but it's true! *** Hey, what happened to VT TMB, did he go home and retired from the board? How about Admiral Byrd? Are they tired to be a pretenders? They ain't me my friend. As I said, I don't blame you for not believing me. The way I carry on, I deserve it, but they ain't me!
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Post by iam on Mar 10, 2020 18:49:18 GMT -5
It was broke for some of us, that is why we had to fix it. Mainstream Churches put a bit of variety into it, makes it more enjoyable. It doesn't have to be like a funeral service. Have a bit of variety, makes it more interesting. Psalm 98:4-6 English Standard Version (ESV) 4 Make a joyful noise to the Lord, all the earth; break forth into joyous song and sing praises! 5 Sing praises to the Lord with the lyre, with the lyre and the sound of melody! 6 With trumpets and the sound of the horn make a joyful noise before the King, the Lord! I don't find the format broke, myself. I find the honesty broke. But when that's broke it affects everything.
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Post by iam on Mar 10, 2020 18:52:14 GMT -5
It was broke for some of us, that is why we had to fix it. Mainstream Churches put a bit of variety into it, makes it more enjoyable. It doesn't have to be like a funeral service. Have a bit of variety, makes it more interesting. Psalm 98:4-6 English Standard Version (ESV) 4 Make a joyful noise to the Lord, all the earth; break forth into joyous song and sing praises! 5 Sing praises to the Lord with the lyre, with the lyre and the sound of melody! 6 With trumpets and the sound of the horn make a joyful noise before the King, the Lord! *** Well, I came from the Pentecostal church and we make all kinds of noises, rolling on the floor, speaking in all kinds of gibberish tongues, loud music of rock and roll and so on... I rather pick the quite, calmness and peaceful fellowship/Worship to God so, we can hear each others testimonies in praising God and Christ. Good to know your religious background, Nathan. Glad you appreciate the quiet, calm and peace ❤️☮️
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Post by iam on Mar 10, 2020 18:55:12 GMT -5
if it ain't broke don't fix it.... It is broke, Wally. We have bible studies on on meaningless chapters where everyone cherry picks a verse or phase that means nothing spiritually and after saying how glad they are to be there and how much they enjoyed (the meaningless) things others have said, they read their phrase and say they want to ____. There is not a real leader with a study guide. We're mostly just the blind leading the blind. And it isn't a study. It's a testimonial. we don't ask questions, we simply testify. It's the meaningless that makes it broken. Saying what we're expected to say. Fear of appearing different. Fear of speaking the truth. Fear.
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Post by iam on Mar 10, 2020 19:03:22 GMT -5
You're on! I Chronicles 1. Gimme some meaning! Bring it! Spiritualize! I just read that chapter and I just love it! All those people! I wonder what direction their lives took them. I feel like I know them. I am serious. They're souls. Many would have been through tremendous struggles and disappointments and others have maybe avoided some of the pitfalls while others may have not. Fascinating.
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Post by iam on Mar 10, 2020 19:07:12 GMT -5
Actually science is for the logical brain, art is for the imaginative brain, and religion is for the brainless Hi Thankfully , science does not support that statement. “Irreligion (adjective form: non-religious or irreligious) is the absence, indifference to, or rejection of religion. According to the Pew Research Center's 2012 global study of 230 countries and territories, 16% of the world's population is not affiliated with a religion, while 84% are affiliated.” Alvin I can't stand science and I can't stand false religion and I have had enough problems with my imaginative brain that I don't care too much for that either 😅 But pure religion and undefiled...now that is exceedingly rare.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 10, 2020 19:14:18 GMT -5
Thanks Nathan, sort of already worked that out. Have no plans to go there at the moment, too much to do at home. If you have a phone number that would be better than trying to go there. Do you think Venus might be Hell, and Christ is living in AC quarters waiting to throw us into the fire. From the document that I read inside/interior of Venus planet is paradise like the Inner/interior earth. The temperature in both places are 72 F. degree all year round. It has a central sun but it NOT so hot like the outer sun. It has plants, trees, water falls, rivers heavenly places. You will like living there, redback.
The Lake of fire for Satan and his followers, unbelievers and unwanted as murders, and so on. God doesn't want or allow any those kinds of people to ruin the New Earth and heaven They have prepared for His people heavenly home, time to rest and peace/Retirement for eternity... there will be no more chaos, Ebola, Corona Virus, deaths, cancer, getting old/wrinkle and teeth are fallen out, to worry about it anymore. Mmmm interesting. Science tells us the core of the earth is around 6000 degrees C. But science is BS though right Nathan?
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Post by iam on Mar 10, 2020 19:19:57 GMT -5
Nathan, Jesus never intended that Families should be destroyed, that would be against the humanistic values that he believed in. That idea was invented by others, not Jesus. The irony of the disaster caused by those early Workers is that many of them did not have Family, if they did they had left them. The Worker who was a wrecking ball and done all the damage in our part of the World came from NZ, never mentioned Family. This meant they were insensitive to the damage they caused. The ones who did not profess in my Mother's Family would have liked to tar and feather him. Jesus was an apocalyptic nutcase, not a humanist. In addition to the verses that Nathan quoted, it is clear that some of his disciples had abandoned their wives and children to follow him around. "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life." - Matthew 19:29 I recall reading some stories about how several 2x2 workers were inspired to do the same, giving children up for adoption and leaving each other so that they could go preach the gospel warning people about God's wrath coming and the end of the world. Oh for goodness sakes. It doesn't mean that. Giving children up for adoption? Who? When? Where? I have heard of a woman that was divorced and her children were grown up that went into the work. But to follow Jesus wouldn't be possible if it would have meant causing grief to someone that needs us! That isn't Jesus. Sometimes he would tell people that wanted to follow him to go back home instead and just be a help there.
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Post by iam on Mar 10, 2020 19:25:50 GMT -5
Nathan as I said that information is out of date and not relevant to the times we are living in. There are much better guidelines to go by. No matter how hard you try as far as I am concerned any interference to Family peace and harmony should never be tolerated. It makes me so wild when I remember the damage caused in my Mother's Family. All because of an over zealous Worker who was trying to put notches in his belt. Red, there always has been and always will be leaders that lead us astray. Like Isaiah said...their leaders lead them astray and those that are lead of them are destroyed. But that isn't all of them.
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Post by iam on Mar 10, 2020 19:26:56 GMT -5
Nathan loves donuts. In fact he is the best donut maker there is. I just love listening to his stories about 'hollow' donuts! And we enjoy reading your made up story of Dorthy William Irvine sister letter, the Fake Valiant Thor character on TMB, and many of your own creation stories through the years, too. Nice comeback, Nat😄
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Post by nathan on Mar 10, 2020 19:50:06 GMT -5
*** Well, I came from the Pentecostal church and we make all kinds of noises, rolling on the floor, speaking in all kinds of gibberish tongues, loud music of rock and roll and so on... I rather pick the quite, calmness and peaceful fellowship/Worship to God so, we can hear each others testimonies in praising God and Christ. Good to know your religious background, Nathan. Glad you appreciate the quiet, calm and peace ❤️☮️ Thanks, my former worship services were too noisy, and I get spiritually drained physically or hang over after I spoke in tongues.
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Post by nathan on Mar 10, 2020 19:58:34 GMT -5
Jesus was an apocalyptic nutcase, not a humanist. In addition to the verses that Nathan quoted, it is clear that some of his disciples had abandoned their wives and children to follow him around. "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life." - Matthew 19:29 I recall reading some stories about how several 2x2 workers were inspired to do the same, giving children up for adoption and leaving each other so that they could go preach the gospel warning people about God's wrath coming and the end of the world. Oh for goodness sakes. It doesn't mean that. Giving children up for adoption? Who? When? Where? I have heard of a woman that was divorced and her children were grown up that went into the work. But to follow Jesus wouldn't be possible if it would have meant causing grief to someone that needs us! That isn't Jesus. Sometimes he would tell people that wanted to follow him to go back home instead and just be a help there. Yes, it happened exactly like that among the Vaudois apostles and those like them through the ages apostles for 1700 years before the Faith Mission preachers and 2x2 workers. Most of the Vaudois preachers did unmarried and a few were married but NOT many, like Jesus had said in Matthew 19:29 "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life." -
I posted the Vaudois belief, doctrine and unmarried apostolic ministry on TMB over 20 yrs. You need to this awesome history of these people faith, doctrines, fellowship and ministry before the Faith Mission preachers, and the 2x2 workers!
Title: The Pilgrim Church Author: E. H. Broadbent
READ Chapter V history of the Vaudois/Waldenses
Date first posted: July 2010 gutenberg.net.au/ebooks10/1000351h.html
I believe it was a worker name Bill Carrol and his wife Margaret had a baby girl name May/Mae and she was sick constantly couldn't take care of her... One of the friends volunteered to adopt the girl and raised her for them. May married to an ex-worker and they took care of Bill Carroll in his old age.
In the Pilgrim church book there was a name Peter Waldo, a VERY RICH French man who was married and had one daughter. He sold all his possession and gave all the money to the wife and daughter and he went for preaching with many fellow- unmarried preachers companions until his death.
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 10, 2020 19:58:48 GMT -5
And we enjoy reading your made up story of Dorthy William Irvine sister letter, the Fake Valiant Thor character on TMB, and many of your own creation stories through the years, too. Nice comeback, Nat😄 Mmm but what nathan didn't mention was that he believed the story of "Dorothy, Irvines sister" !
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Post by iam on Mar 10, 2020 19:59:24 GMT -5
Mmm but what nathan didn't mention was that he believed the story of "Dorothy, Irvines sister" ! Gotta love that 😄
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 20:09:53 GMT -5
Mmm but what nathan didn't mention was that he believed the story of "Dorothy, Irvines sister" ! fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me....
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Post by nathan on Mar 10, 2020 20:11:06 GMT -5
Mmm but what nathan didn't mention was that he believed the story of "Dorothy, Irvines sister" ! Gotta love that 😄 What a bunch of baloney, RT.... We revived that Dorothy William Irvine Sister letter thread on TMB a few years back! and it showed from the beginning I DID NOT fall for that PRANK! but a few did. I had studied William Irvine family tree line from the TTT website... There was NO! Dorothy Irvine name in William Irvine family. People were VERY upset when Ram said it was a JOKE! all along. Many of the readers know it too, one of them was Gene! He could smell the rat and played along with it with all kinds of names and places that Ram came up with.
Maybe someone could bring that thread back, once again. I had it saved but I have to find it.
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 10, 2020 20:15:30 GMT -5
What a BS, RT.... We revived that Dorothy William Irvine Sister letter thread on TMB a few years back! and it showed from the beginning I DID NOT fall for that PRANK! but a few did. I had studied William Irvine family tree line from the TTT website... There was NO! Dorothy Irvine name in William Irvine family. People were VERY upset when Ram said it was a JOKE! all along. Many of the readers know it too, one of them was Gene! He could smell the rat and played along with it. I am sure mountain can fill us in nathan !
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Post by nathan on Mar 10, 2020 20:20:27 GMT -5
What a BS, RT.... We revived that Dorothy William Irvine Sister letter thread on TMB a few years back! and it showed from the beginning I DID NOT fall for that PRANK! but a few did. I had studied William Irvine family tree line from the TTT website... There was NO! Dorothy Irvine name in William Irvine family. People were VERY upset when Ram said it was a JOKE! all along. Many of the readers know it too, one of them was Gene! He could smell the rat and played along with it. I am sure mountain can fill us in nathan ! Many old timers on TMB, remember this special episode VERY good.... So, let us see what Ram/Mountain will have to say, OK.
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Post by iam on Mar 10, 2020 21:01:44 GMT -5
Many old timers on TMB, remember this special episode VERY good.... So, let us see what Ram/Mountain will have to say, OK. Nat you're getting all red again 😄♥️
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Post by nathan on Mar 10, 2020 21:06:26 GMT -5
Many old timers on TMB, remember this special episode VERY good.... So, let us see what Ram/Mountain will have to say, OK. Nat you're getting all red again 😄♥️ Yes, when I post at home I go all red; at work I post all black words.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 21:12:44 GMT -5
Nathan goes Red because he is embarrassed.
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Post by mountain on Mar 11, 2020 4:23:46 GMT -5
What a BS, RT.... We revived that Dorothy William Irvine Sister letter thread on TMB a few years back! and it showed from the beginning I DID NOT fall for that PRANK! but a few did. I had studied William Irvine family tree line from the TTT website... There was NO! Dorothy Irvine name in William Irvine family. People were VERY upset when Ram said it was a JOKE! all along. Many of the readers know it too, one of them was Gene! He could smell the rat and played along with it. [/font][/font] [/quote]I am sure mountain can fill us in nathan ! [/quote] Come on now Nathan, I was not a rodent back then, I was the RAM! Unfortunately I don't have a copy of that letter, and the RAM account has disappeared into cyber space, so it looks as though the veritable traces of Dorothy Irvine have disappeared for ever? Mind you, there does exist somewhere, 'The Spontaneous Chronicles' of her illegitimate son, Trevor. For those who don't know, as a young man Trevor Irvine was refused entry to the work on account of his sweaty feet. The official reason was that he would require too large a suitcase to carry around with him all the socks he would require. Apparently batching with him, or staying in the homes of friends, would be unbearable for those around him the moment he took his shoes of! This is relatively well covered in one of his Chronicles 'Trevor and his trodden troubles,' when it was arranged for him to have a 'quiet' assessment term in the work, accompanying brother worker Reekie Foot, a fellow Scotsman, whom he was close to spiritually but not so much physically.
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Post by nathan on Mar 11, 2020 10:37:34 GMT -5
[/font][/font] [/quote]I am sure mountain can fill us in nathan ! [/quote] Come on now Nathan, I was not a rodent back then, I was the RAM! Unfortunately I don't have a copy of that letter, and the RAM account has disappeared into cyber space, so it looks as though the veritable traces of Dorothy Irvine have disappeared for ever? Mind you, there does exist somewhere, 'The Spontaneous Chronicles' of her illegitimate son, Trevor. For those who don't know, as a young man Trevor Irvine was refused entry to the work on account of his sweaty feet. The official reason was that he would require too large a suitcase to carry around with him all the socks he would require. Apparently batching with him, or staying in the homes of friends, would be unbearable for those around him the moment he took his shoes of! This is relatively well covered in one of his Chronicles 'Trevor and his trodden troubles,' when it was arranged for him to have a 'quiet' assessment term in the work, accompanying brother worker Reekie Foot, a fellow Scotsman, whom he was close to spiritually but not so much physically. [/quote] OK, I found the article. ~~ Ram (ex-2x2) posted a document written by Dorothy William to discredit William Irvine sister story: It was posted as a factual documented in 2010 but came back a few years later and confessed the article was a JOKE! And many people were NOT happy with him for his bad taste of humor.
Ram wrote: At long last we have some kind of support for the long-held tenuous claims of a link between William Irvine, his faith, his organisation and his sister's connection. May this put to rest the doubts of his accusers whom I hope will show a measure of circumspect as they consider this enlightening material.
That his sister Dorothy was a prolific writer to editors of religious periodicals is a well attested fact. Her valiant efforts to the editor of the Impartial Reporter newspaper, though going unheeded, should nevertheless be recognised. It says a lot for that journal that she did not appear to have received even the courtesy of a reply?
Anyway, I feel it is worth reprinting this effort for the benefit of those reading here. I have the permission of Mrs Molly Keddle, great granddaughter of Eilleen Dover, who knew Christina Box, close friend of Dorothy Irvine, a sister to the late William Irvine.
Therefore, reprinting rights are not an issue.
15 Main Street Kilsyth Scotland 30th August 1910
Dear Sir,
I am a sister of William Irvine and this is my third letter to you in recent times in response to the regular articles appearing in "The Impartial Reporter and Farmers' Journal" concerning the non-denominational Christian sect which you incorrectly refer to as "the Cooneyites" and by other inappropriate names.
It appears to me that you have chosen to completely ignore my previous letters as to date I have received no reply and neither of my letters have appeared in your journal. I would have thought in the interests of fairness and "impartiality" that you would have given air to my concerns, especially since I have pointed out the incorrect, biased and grossly offensive manner of your reporting?
On this occasion I am compelled to take issue with your most recent portrayal titled "The Tramp Preachers," published on page 8 of the August 25th issue of your journal. In this somewhat extensive article, purported to be the reproduction of an account by an annonymous former member, detailing the doctrine and beliefs of our sect, many, many false claims are made. It would take at least one full edition of the Impartial Reporter to even begin to address my many concerns. Let your readers be aware, this whole article is a complete fabrication and could not have been written by any person who possessed intimate day to day knowledge of our sect.
In view of this I will concentrate on the initial "false" claim by this supposed former member, who states, "William Irvine, the FOUNDER and SUPREME AUTHORITY of what is known as Cooneyism."
Firstly, there is no such thing as Cooneyism. Secondly, we take no name for ourselves. My good brother most definately was not the FOUNDER of our group, though in a sense it could be agreed that he was the FINDER.
Let me introduce you to a brief background out of which our group emerged. It is sad that our "quiet" presence in history has gone unnoticed and that as a result of our recent revival, all of recognised Christendom in Eire and Great Britain has sought to destroy us on account of the many people who are flocking to us due to the dissatisfaction they are experiencing with the traditional churches and their wrong portrayal of the Gospel message, claiming that we are some kind of new thing when in reality we precede them all.
As you know there were ascetic missionaries and communities existing in Eire centuries before the invasion of the Romish faith from which the many Protestant churches sprung forth. During the days when the Romish faith gained authority and power, these primitive peoples enjoying simplicity in worship were heavily persecuted and scattered, just as we read of what happened to the early Christian church in Acts of the Apostles.
Some were forced to leave their homelands and headed for the remoter regions in Europe such as the Alps and Pyranees, etc. Others fled to the deep glens of the McGillycuddy Reeks in the south of Eire, where they obtained refuge from the simple aborigenes who stayed there. They continued to worship in their homes, all the time maintaining a low profile in society for centuries.
Alas, during the poverty times in Eire during the 19th century, resulting from the potato blight which brought much famine during which many hundreds of thousands of people starved to death, the numbers of our ancestral group also diminished rapidly. Some lucky ones set off to Europe and joined our brethren who were still existing in the remoter regions in much the same way as they had continued to survive in the lower regions of McGillycuddy's Reeks.
During the early 1890's my late sister Margaret went to work as a housemaid for a family who owned a considerable tract of land in the Reeks' region. After a short time she met a small community of worshippers (about four-six families) who met in their homes every Sabbath and during weekdays. On one occasion they were visited by worshippers from the same sect who had travelled over from Switzerland. They too had suffered from many hardships over the years and were down to about three families at the most. However, they were very skilled at making sounding instruments from the horns of cattle and sheep and were able to survive better than most in those harsh days.
My sister later told my brother William about these simple people and the way they worshipped. Some time later my brother became a Superintendent with the Faith Mission and was sent to labour as a faith worker in the south of Eire for a number of years. During this time William visited these people, who quite naturally on account of all they had suffered in the past, beseached him to keep their existence and whereabouts secret.
William continued to visit these families in between his gospel missions and gradually saw that his way was wrong and that their way of worship was right. He remained true to his promise not to disclose any information about these few families, even to his fellow christian colleagues. Nevertheless, a work had begun in William. He had to break away from the Faith Mission and somehow continue the way he'd learned in the glens of the Reeks. A few years later, his connection with the Faith Mission ceased and after a short while he took up the torch of faith and carried it forward.
Now you can see how my brother was not the founder of this way of faith, but he clearly was the finder. Those few families in the Reeks region have diminished even further due to age, but nowadays there is little risk to them. Nevertheless, they desire to live in quietness and simplicity and cherish the fact that my brother is secretly carrying forward their faith which began on the shores of Gallilee some 2000 years ago.
If you have prevailed with me thus far you will see just how far off course that even the beginning of your article is. I crave desperately that you will publish this letter in order that everyone will know the truth of our sect and put an end to all the controvery and wrong reporting of our group.
Yours Faithfully Dorothy Irvine signed professing.proboards.com/thread/15782/missing-link?page=1Feb 1, 2014 at 5:13pm Post by CherieKropp on Feb 1, 2014 at 5:13pm Now that I think about it and did some checking, I see that it was Jason Landless who was so taken in by the Dorothy Irvine story, which was pretty funny to watch--Jason being Mr. Know-it-All!
(Sorry again that I accused you Nate!) Thanks for the kind words.
1) Jason wrote: If this is merely a sick attempt at humour, then I am thoroughly disgusted. It is monumentally unethical, particularly given the fact that I wasted significant time carefully reading the contents of the letter, looking into the minutia of its detail, in the assumption that Ram was being forthright.
It is one thing to "kid" around with people, it is quite another to lead them up the garden path, allow them to persist in a lie that has been concocted, and to set people up in a situation where there is potential for this kind of nonsense to get out and become part of an urban myth. Concocting lies and falsehoods in order to get some fireworks out of professing people, and to see whether they will swallow it hook, line, and sinker is utterly reprehensible.
I point out, Sharon, that you seemed fairly convinced a few posts back too. Unless that was merely part of the charade - the "fun" of baiting people and stirring up dissension. Revolting conduct from all involved.
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Post by mountain on Mar 11, 2020 12:41:14 GMT -5
[/font][/font] [/quote]I am sure mountain can fill us in nathan ! [/quote] Come on now Nathan, I was not a rodent back then, I was the RAM! Unfortunately I don't have a copy of that letter, and the RAM account has disappeared into cyber space, so it looks as though the veritable traces of Dorothy Irvine have disappeared for ever? Mind you, there does exist somewhere, 'The Spontaneous Chronicles' of her illegitimate son, Trevor. For those who don't know, as a young man Trevor Irvine was refused entry to the work on account of his sweaty feet. The official reason was that he would require too large a suitcase to carry around with him all the socks he would require. Apparently batching with him, or staying in the homes of friends, would be unbearable for those around him the moment he took his shoes of! This is relatively well covered in one of his Chronicles 'Trevor and his trodden troubles,' when it was arranged for him to have a 'quiet' assessment term in the work, accompanying brother worker Reekie Foot, a fellow Scotsman, whom he was close to spiritually but not so much physically. [/quote] OK, I found the article. ~~ Ram (ex-2x2) posted a document written by Dorothy William to discredit William Irvine sister story: It was posted as a factual documented in 2010 but came back a few years later and confessed the article was a JOKE! And many people were NOT happy with him for his bad taste of humor.
Ram wrote: At long last we have some kind of support for the long-held tenuous claims of a link between William Irvine, his faith, his organisation and his sister's connection. May this put to rest the doubts of his accusers whom I hope will show a measure of circumspect as they consider this enlightening material.
That his sister Dorothy was a prolific writer to editors of religious periodicals is a well attested fact. Her valiant efforts to the editor of the Impartial Reporter newspaper, though going unheeded, should nevertheless be recognised. It says a lot for that journal that she did not appear to have received even the courtesy of a reply?
Anyway, I feel it is worth reprinting this effort for the benefit of those reading here. I have the permission of Mrs Molly Keddle, great granddaughter of Eilleen Dover, who knew Christina Box, close friend of Dorothy Irvine, a sister to the late William Irvine.
Therefore, reprinting rights are not an issue.
15 Main Street Kilsyth Scotland 30th August 1910
Dear Sir,
I am a sister of William Irvine and this is my third letter to you in recent times in response to the regular articles appearing in "The Impartial Reporter and Farmers' Journal" concerning the non-denominational Christian sect which you incorrectly refer to as "the Cooneyites" and by other inappropriate names.
It appears to me that you have chosen to completely ignore my previous letters as to date I have received no reply and neither of my letters have appeared in your journal. I would have thought in the interests of fairness and "impartiality" that you would have given air to my concerns, especially since I have pointed out the incorrect, biased and grossly offensive manner of your reporting?
On this occasion I am compelled to take issue with your most recent portrayal titled "The Tramp Preachers," published on page 8 of the August 25th issue of your journal. In this somewhat extensive article, purported to be the reproduction of an account by an annonymous former member, detailing the doctrine and beliefs of our sect, many, many false claims are made. It would take at least one full edition of the Impartial Reporter to even begin to address my many concerns. Let your readers be aware, this whole article is a complete fabrication and could not have been written by any person who possessed intimate day to day knowledge of our sect.
In view of this I will concentrate on the initial "false" claim by this supposed former member, who states, "William Irvine, the FOUNDER and SUPREME AUTHORITY of what is known as Cooneyism."
Firstly, there is no such thing as Cooneyism. Secondly, we take no name for ourselves. My good brother most definately was not the FOUNDER of our group, though in a sense it could be agreed that he was the FINDER.
Let me introduce you to a brief background out of which our group emerged. It is sad that our "quiet" presence in history has gone unnoticed and that as a result of our recent revival, all of recognised Christendom in Eire and Great Britain has sought to destroy us on account of the many people who are flocking to us due to the dissatisfaction they are experiencing with the traditional churches and their wrong portrayal of the Gospel message, claiming that we are some kind of new thing when in reality we precede them all.
As you know there were ascetic missionaries and communities existing in Eire centuries before the invasion of the Romish faith from which the many Protestant churches sprung forth. During the days when the Romish faith gained authority and power, these primitive peoples enjoying simplicity in worship were heavily persecuted and scattered, just as we read of what happened to the early Christian church in Acts of the Apostles.
Some were forced to leave their homelands and headed for the remoter regions in Europe such as the Alps and Pyranees, etc. Others fled to the deep glens of the McGillycuddy Reeks in the south of Eire, where they obtained refuge from the simple aborigenes who stayed there. They continued to worship in their homes, all the time maintaining a low profile in society for centuries.
Alas, during the poverty times in Eire during the 19th century, resulting from the potato blight which brought much famine during which many hundreds of thousands of people starved to death, the numbers of our ancestral group also diminished rapidly. Some lucky ones set off to Europe and joined our brethren who were still existing in the remoter regions in much the same way as they had continued to survive in the lower regions of McGillycuddy's Reeks.
During the early 1890's my late sister Margaret went to work as a housemaid for a family who owned a considerable tract of land in the Reeks' region. After a short time she met a small community of worshippers (about four-six families) who met in their homes every Sabbath and during weekdays. On one occasion they were visited by worshippers from the same sect who had travelled over from Switzerland. They too had suffered from many hardships over the years and were down to about three families at the most. However, they were very skilled at making sounding instruments from the horns of cattle and sheep and were able to survive better than most in those harsh days.
My sister later told my brother William about these simple people and the way they worshipped. Some time later my brother became a Superintendent with the Faith Mission and was sent to labour as a faith worker in the south of Eire for a number of years. During this time William visited these people, who quite naturally on account of all they had suffered in the past, beseached him to keep their existence and whereabouts secret.
William continued to visit these families in between his gospel missions and gradually saw that his way was wrong and that their way of worship was right. He remained true to his promise not to disclose any information about these few families, even to his fellow christian colleagues. Nevertheless, a work had begun in William. He had to break away from the Faith Mission and somehow continue the way he'd learned in the glens of the Reeks. A few years later, his connection with the Faith Mission ceased and after a short while he took up the torch of faith and carried it forward.
Now you can see how my brother was not the founder of this way of faith, but he clearly was the finder. Those few families in the Reeks region have diminished even further due to age, but nowadays there is little risk to them. Nevertheless, they desire to live in quietness and simplicity and cherish the fact that my brother is secretly carrying forward their faith which began on the shores of Gallilee some 2000 years ago.
If you have prevailed with me thus far you will see just how far off course that even the beginning of your article is. I crave desperately that you will publish this letter in order that everyone will know the truth of our sect and put an end to all the controvery and wrong reporting of our group.
Yours Faithfully Dorothy Irvine signed professing.proboards.com/thread/15782/missing-link?page=1Feb 1, 2014 at 5:13pm Post by CherieKropp on Feb 1, 2014 at 5:13pm Now that I think about it and did some checking, I see that it was Jason Landless who was so taken in by the Dorothy Irvine story, which was pretty funny to watch--Jason being Mr. Know-it-All!
(Sorry again that I accused you Nate!) Thanks for the kind words.
1) Jason wrote: If this is merely a sick attempt at humour, then I am thoroughly disgusted. It is monumentally unethical, particularly given the fact that I wasted significant time carefully reading the contents of the letter, looking into the minutia of its detail, in the assumption that Ram was being forthright.
It is one thing to "kid" around with people, it is quite another to lead them up the garden path, allow them to persist in a lie that has been concocted, and to set people up in a situation where there is potential for this kind of nonsense to get out and become part of an urban myth. Concocting lies and falsehoods in order to get some fireworks out of professing people, and to see whether they will swallow it hook, line, and sinker is utterly reprehensible.
I point out, Sharon, that you seemed fairly convinced a few posts back too. Unless that was merely part of the charade - the "fun" of baiting people and stirring up dissension. Revolting conduct from all involved.
[/quote] Many thanks Nathan my old friend. Now you can see why I don't blame you for not believing me when I tell the truth. However, I do not tell lies. Anyway, is it any wonder I severed all relationships with the RAM? Thanks again Nathan. Much appreciated.
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Post by mountain on Mar 11, 2020 12:57:21 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, thanks for the naustalgia. What I liked best was how you played along with it, pretending the letter was authentic and causing the stir that it did. A wizard wheeze at the time. Some were fooled into thinking you were taken in by it, not realising you were in on it from the start.
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Post by nathan on Mar 11, 2020 15:06:21 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, thanks for the naustalgia. What I liked best was how you played along with it, pretending the letter was authentic and causing the stir that it did. A wizard wheeze at the time. Some were fooled into thinking you were taken in by it, not realising you were in on it from the start. *** From the start I told the readers the letter was a HOAX! Because William Irvine did NOT have a sister by the name Dorothy! And many of the posters said the same thing it's Ram writings! but a few readers thought it might be authentic ( Jason, speak and Str). If you had admitted from the start it was a joke then there wouldn't be much of chaos and confusion but you played on both sides of the fences and made it worse. You wrote I should be pleased with Dorothy Irvine letter and I said Heck NO! from the start because I KNEW the letter started by YOU! You were the AUTHOR! You like to play games! And you think it's funny and smart on your part that you can fool people with your writings skills.
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