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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 21:05:36 GMT -5
Nathan as I said that information is out of date and not relevant to the times we are living in. There are much better guidelines to go by. No matter how hard you try as far as I am concerned any interference to Family peace and harmony should never be tolerated. It makes me so wild when I remember the damage caused in my Mother's Family. All because of an over zealous Worker who was trying to put notches in his belt. The Bible teaches Jesus Christ the same as yesterday, today and forever... what Jesus has taught is still TRUE today! It happens to me and most of followers of Jesus so, if you can't do it then you should NOT be his disciples, call it quit it's better for you. If the kitchen is too hot! stay out of the kitchen.
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 21:06:52 GMT -5
Jesus was an apocalyptic nutcase, not a humanist. In addition to the verses that Nathan quoted, it is clear that some of his disciples had abandoned their wives and children to follow him around. "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life." - Matthew 19:29 I recall reading some stories about how several 2x2 workers were inspired to do the same, giving children up for adoption and leaving each other so that they could go preach the gospel warning people about God's wrath coming and the end of the world. Jesus is NOT a nut or a mean God. Like I said Jesus told and warn those who want to follow him as his disciples to Count the COST before you want to follow Jesus... If you can't follow the criteria then don't become his followers. Question: "What does it mean to ‘count the cost’ (Luke 14:28)?"
Answer: In Luke 14, Jesus lays out the terms of discipleship. There were great crowds following Him. Everyone loved the miracles, healing, and free food. Jesus was cool, the talk of the town, and the latest fad. But He knew their hearts. He knew they desired the benefits of what He did rather than an understanding of who He was. They loved His gifts, not the life He was calling them to. So He explained what it takes to be one of His followers:“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple. For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’ Or what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:26-33).Jesus said a lot in those simple illustrations. He quickly put an end to the idea that He offered some kind of welfare program. Although the gift of eternal life is free to anyone who asks (John 3:16), the asking requires a transfer of ownership (Luke 9:23; Galatians 5:24). “Counting the cost” means recognizing and agreeing to some terms first. In following Christ, we cannot simply follow our own inclinations. We cannot follow Him and the world’s way at the same time (Matthew 7:13-14). Following Him may mean we lose relationships, dreams, material things, or even our lives. Those who are following Jesus simply for what they can get won’t stick around when the going gets tough. When God’s way conflicts with our way, we will feel betrayed by the shallow, me-first faith we have bought into. If we have not counted the cost of being His child, we will turn away at the threat of sacrifice and find something else to gratify our selfish desires (cf. Mark 4:5, 16-17). In Jesus’ earthly ministry, there came a time when the free food stopped and public opinion turned ugly. The cheering crowds became jeering crowds. And Jesus knew ahead of time that would happen. Jesus ended His description of the cost of discipleship with a breathtaking statement: "Any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:33). “ Renouncing” may mean we give up something physically, but more often it means we let go emotionally so that what we possess no longer possesses us. When we become one of His, we cannot continue to belong to this world (1 John 2:15-17). We must make a choice, for we cannot serve both God and Mammon (Matthew 6:24). The rich young ruler, when confronted with that choice, turned his back on Jesus (Luke 18:18-25).Suppose you learned that you had been given an all-expense-paid condo on a beach in Tahiti, complete with airfare, a car, food, and a maid. You could brag about your new lifestyle, plan for it, and dream about it. But until you pack up and leave your current home, the new life is never really yours. You cannot live in Tahiti and your current hometown at the same time. Many people approach Christianity the same way. They love the idea of eternal life, escaping hell, and having Jesus at their beck and call. But they are not willing to leave the life they now live. Their desires, lifestyle, and sinful habits are too precious to them. Their lives may exhibit a token change—starting to attend church or giving up a major sin—but they want to retain ownership of everything else. Jesus is speaking in Luke 14 to those with that mindset. We cannot earn salvation by lifestyle change or any other good deed (Ephesians 2:8-9). But when we choose to follow Christ, we are releasing control of our lives. When Jesus is in control, pure living results (1 John 3:4-10; 2 Corinthians 5:17). In Jesus’ parable of the sower, it was only the soil that allowed the seed to put down roots and bear fruit that was called “good.” If we are going to be disciples of Christ, we must first count the cost of following Him.www.gotquestions.org/count-the-cost.html
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Post by believingjesus on Mar 8, 2020 21:12:16 GMT -5
Jesus is NOT a nut or a mean God. Like I said Jesus told and warn those who want to follow him as his disciples to Count the COST before you want to follow Jesus... If you can't follow the criteria then don't become his followers. Question: "What does it mean to ‘count the cost’ (Luke 14:28)?"
Answer: In Luke 14, Jesus lays out the terms of discipleship. There were great crowds following Him. Everyone loved the miracles, healing, and free food. Jesus was cool, the talk of the town, and the latest fad. But He knew their hearts. He knew they desired the benefits of what He did rather than an understanding of who He was. They loved His gifts, not the life He was calling them to. So He explained what it takes to be one of His followers:“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple. For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’ Or what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:26-33).Jesus said a lot in those simple illustrations. He quickly put an end to the idea that He offered some kind of welfare program. Although the gift of eternal life is free to anyone who asks (John 3:16), the asking requires a transfer of ownership (Luke 9:23; Galatians 5:24). “Counting the cost” means recognizing and agreeing to some terms first. In following Christ, we cannot simply follow our own inclinations. We cannot follow Him and the world’s way at the same time (Matthew 7:13-14). Following Him may mean we lose relationships, dreams, material things, or even our lives. Those who are following Jesus simply for what they can get won’t stick around when the going gets tough. When God’s way conflicts with our way, we will feel betrayed by the shallow, me-first faith we have bought into. If we have not counted the cost of being His child, we will turn away at the threat of sacrifice and find something else to gratify our selfish desires (cf. Mark 4:5, 16-17). In Jesus’ earthly ministry, there came a time when the free food stopped and public opinion turned ugly. The cheering crowds became jeering crowds. And Jesus knew ahead of time that would happen. Jesus ended His description of the cost of discipleship with a breathtaking statement: "Any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:33). “ Renouncing” may mean we give up something physically, but more often it means we let go emotionally so that what we possess no longer possesses us. When we become one of His, we cannot continue to belong to this world (1 John 2:15-17). We must make a choice, for we cannot serve both God and Mammon (Matthew 6:24). The rich young ruler, when confronted with that choice, turned his back on Jesus (Luke 18:18-25).Suppose you learned that you had been given an all-expense-paid condo on a beach in Tahiti, complete with airfare, a car, food, and a maid. You could brag about your new lifestyle, plan for it, and dream about it. But until you pack up and leave your current home, the new life is never really yours. You cannot live in Tahiti and your current hometown at the same time. Many people approach Christianity the same way. They love the idea of eternal life, escaping hell, and having Jesus at their beck and call. But they are not willing to leave the life they now live. Their desires, lifestyle, and sinful habits are too precious to them. Their lives may exhibit a token change—starting to attend church or giving up a major sin—but they want to retain ownership of everything else. Jesus is speaking in Luke 14 to those with that mindset. We cannot earn salvation by lifestyle change or any other good deed (Ephesians 2:8-9). But when we choose to follow Christ, we are releasing control of our lives. When Jesus is in control, pure living results (1 John 3:4-10; 2 Corinthians 5:17). In Jesus’ parable of the sower, it was only the soil that allowed the seed to put down roots and bear fruit that was called “good.” If we are going to be disciples of Christ, we must first count the cost of following Him.www.gotquestions.org/count-the-cost.html Why as an exclusivist do you use worldly Christian sources? Shouldn’t you be quoting workers, who have the correct doctrine?
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 21:22:51 GMT -5
Why as an exclusivist do you use worldly Christian sources? Shouldn’t you be quoting workers, who have the correct doctrine? The Current workers don't KNOW or HAVE ALL the answers, I found out. They don't know or understand the Godhead, Christ is God or the Trinity like the early days workers did.
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 8, 2020 21:24:40 GMT -5
Nathan as I said that information is out of date and not relevant to the times we are living in. There are much better guidelines to go by. No matter how hard you try as far as I am concerned any interference to Family peace and harmony should never be tolerated. It makes me so wild when I remember the damage caused in my Mother's Family. All because of an over zealous Worker who was trying to put notches in his belt. Agree @redback so much damage has been done in families because certain "workers" thought they were "God". Workers going into areas and creating problems between married couples. But you only have to look at the history of them in Ireland to understand where it came from.
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 8, 2020 21:29:22 GMT -5
Why as an exclusivist do you use worldly Christian sources? Shouldn’t you be quoting workers, who have the correct doctrine? The Current workers don't KNOW or HAVE ALL the answers, I found out. They don't know or understand the Godhead, Christ is God or the Trinity like the early days workers did.Of course they don't....and "of course you do " nathan. Talk about being self righteous !
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 8, 2020 21:34:06 GMT -5
The Current workers don't KNOW or HAVE ALL the answers, I found out. They don't know or understand the Godhead, Christ is God or the Trinity like the early days workers did. Of course they don't....and "of course you do " nathan . Talk about being self righteous ! If these threads are anything to go by, Nathan does have all the answers..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 21:39:02 GMT -5
Nathan as I said that information is out of date and not relevant to the times we are living in. There are much better guidelines to go by. No matter how hard you try as far as I am concerned any interference to Family peace and harmony should never be tolerated. It makes me so wild when I remember the damage caused in my Mother's Family. All because of an over zealous Worker who was trying to put notches in his belt. The Bible teaches Jesus Christ the same as yesterday, today and forever... what Jesus has taught is still TRUE today! It happens to me and most of followers of Jesus so, if you can't do it then you should NOT be his disciples, call it quit it's better for you. If the kitchen is too hot! stay out of the kitchen.Nathan the World moves on, it always has, and always will. Guidelines written 2000 years ago are out of date. Governments update laws all the time, we abide by that. So you live by what applies for your time. That damage caused to my Mother's Family could now be regarded as discrimination. No place for that in any decent society.
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Post by openingact34 on Mar 8, 2020 21:40:01 GMT -5
Jesus is NOT a nut or a mean God. Like I said Jesus told and warn those who want to follow him as his disciples to Count the COST before you want to follow Jesus... If you can't follow the criteria then don't become his followers. Question: "What does it mean to ‘count the cost’ (Luke 14:28)?"
Answer: In Luke 14, Jesus lays out the terms of discipleship. There were great crowds following Him. Everyone loved the miracles, healing, and free food. Jesus was cool, the talk of the town, and the latest fad. But He knew their hearts. He knew they desired the benefits of what He did rather than an understanding of who He was. They loved His gifts, not the life He was calling them to. So He explained what it takes to be one of His followers:“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple. For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’ Or what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:26-33).Jesus said a lot in those simple illustrations. He quickly put an end to the idea that He offered some kind of welfare program. Although the gift of eternal life is free to anyone who asks (John 3:16), the asking requires a transfer of ownership (Luke 9:23; Galatians 5:24). “Counting the cost” means recognizing and agreeing to some terms first. In following Christ, we cannot simply follow our own inclinations. We cannot follow Him and the world’s way at the same time (Matthew 7:13-14). Following Him may mean we lose relationships, dreams, material things, or even our lives. Those who are following Jesus simply for what they can get won’t stick around when the going gets tough. When God’s way conflicts with our way, we will feel betrayed by the shallow, me-first faith we have bought into. If we have not counted the cost of being His child, we will turn away at the threat of sacrifice and find something else to gratify our selfish desires (cf. Mark 4:5, 16-17). In Jesus’ earthly ministry, there came a time when the free food stopped and public opinion turned ugly. The cheering crowds became jeering crowds. And Jesus knew ahead of time that would happen. Jesus ended His description of the cost of discipleship with a breathtaking statement: "Any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:33). “ Renouncing” may mean we give up something physically, but more often it means we let go emotionally so that what we possess no longer possesses us. When we become one of His, we cannot continue to belong to this world (1 John 2:15-17). We must make a choice, for we cannot serve both God and Mammon (Matthew 6:24). The rich young ruler, when confronted with that choice, turned his back on Jesus (Luke 18:18-25).Suppose you learned that you had been given an all-expense-paid condo on a beach in Tahiti, complete with airfare, a car, food, and a maid. You could brag about your new lifestyle, plan for it, and dream about it. But until you pack up and leave your current home, the new life is never really yours. You cannot live in Tahiti and your current hometown at the same time. Many people approach Christianity the same way. They love the idea of eternal life, escaping hell, and having Jesus at their beck and call. But they are not willing to leave the life they now live. Their desires, lifestyle, and sinful habits are too precious to them. Their lives may exhibit a token change—starting to attend church or giving up a major sin—but they want to retain ownership of everything else. Jesus is speaking in Luke 14 to those with that mindset. We cannot earn salvation by lifestyle change or any other good deed (Ephesians 2:8-9). But when we choose to follow Christ, we are releasing control of our lives. When Jesus is in control, pure living results (1 John 3:4-10; 2 Corinthians 5:17). In Jesus’ parable of the sower, it was only the soil that allowed the seed to put down roots and bear fruit that was called “good.” If we are going to be disciples of Christ, we must first count the cost of following Him.www.gotquestions.org/count-the-cost.html Howdy Nathan! That gotquestions B.S. was all very irrelevant. But I'd love to hear some of what you learned in the work about how to break up families. If you had to split up a family because they had divorced and remarried, how did you handle it? Do the workers figure out who gets custody of the kids too?
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 21:45:16 GMT -5
The Bible teaches Jesus Christ the same as yesterday, today and forever... what Jesus has taught is still TRUE today! It happens to me and most of followers of Jesus so, if you can't do it then you should NOT be his disciples, call it quit it's better for you. If the kitchen is too hot! stay out of the kitchen. Nathan the World moves on, it always has, and always will. Guidelines written 2000 years ago are out of date. Governments update laws all the time, we abide by that. So you live by what applies for your time. That damage caused to my Mother's Family could now be regarded as discrimination. No place for that in any decent society. This is Christ's kingdom NOT this world's gov't so, Jesus followers will face opposition, division, headaches, heartaches, pains, sorrows with their own unprofessing families members as Jesus has warned about it 2000 yrs ago, is still TRUE in the world today!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 21:45:42 GMT -5
Workers are not into solving problems, they only cause them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 21:49:11 GMT -5
Christ died almost 2000 years ago, never owned a Kingdom. Kingdoms have always been the responsibility of Governments.
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 21:53:56 GMT -5
Howdy Nathan! That gotquestions B.S. was all very irrelevant. But I'd love to hear some of what you learned in the work about how to break up families. If you had to split up a family because they had divorced and remarried, how did you handle it? Do the workers figure out who gets custody of the kids too? No, BS.... It has happened within my OWN family for 40 yrs! my unprofessing father, step-mother, half-brothers and sister, and real brother and sister! Still going on RIGHT now... I have seen and witnessed with many of the professing friends non-professing families my 8 yrs in the work, and 40 plus years in the 2x2 fellowship.
Divorce, remarriage and spliting the families apart that is NOT what Jesus was TALKING about I come NOT to send peace on earth! The workers are NOT perfect in their understanding of Jesus teachings. they have made many mistakes in trying to be God, and thinking they understand His teachings but they have a misinterpreted what he meant.
We are talking TWO different cases! Jesus teachings about counting the cost before if you want to be his followers Vs. the workers teachings on splitting remarriage families up.
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 22:00:41 GMT -5
Christ died almost 2000 years ago, never owned a Kingdom. Kingdoms have always been the responsibility of Governments. When Christ comes back the 2nd time He will set up His eternal Kingdom and rule as the KING of kings and LORD of lords. What do you mean Christ never owned a kingdom?
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Post by believingjesus on Mar 8, 2020 22:01:44 GMT -5
The Bible teaches Jesus Christ the same as yesterday, today and forever... what Jesus has taught is still TRUE today! It happens to me and most of followers of Jesus so, if you can't do it then you should NOT be his disciples, call it quit it's better for you. If the kitchen is too hot! stay out of the kitchen. Nathan the World moves on, it always has, and always will. Guidelines written 2000 years ago are out of date. Governments update laws all the time, we abide by that. So you live by what applies for your time. That damage caused to my Mother's Family could now be regarded as discrimination. No place for that in any decent society. I’m glad that some Christians feel this way. Otherwise you would be left in Nathan’s shoes, with the responsibility to defend owning people as property (i.e., slavery) as moral, something that the OT and parts (if not all of) the NT supports.
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Post by believingjesus on Mar 8, 2020 22:05:00 GMT -5
Christ died almost 2000 years ago, never owned a Kingdom. Kingdoms have always been the responsibility of Governments. When Christ comes back the 2nd time He will set up His eternal Kingdom and rule as the KING of kings and LORD of lords. What do you mean Christ never owned a kingdom?What are you talking about? By your own admission Christ (supposedly) will own a kingdom SOME DAY (future tense). What does that have to do with him having owned a kingdom in the past?
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 22:06:48 GMT -5
Workers are not into solving problems, they only cause them. I agree that the workers need stick to their callings, preachers/teacher, evangelists, pastors, ministers... and leave the Marriage counselling/CSA to the Professionals. When I was in the work my older companions encourage the friends with marriage challenges and problems to Go to God First and find good marriage counselors to help them.
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 22:09:19 GMT -5
When Christ comes back the 2nd time He will set up His eternal Kingdom and rule as the KING of kings and LORD of lords. What do you mean Christ never owned a kingdom? What are you talking about? By your own admission Christ (supposedly) will own a kingdom SOME DAY (future tense). What does that have to do with him having owned a kingdom in the past? Yes, Christ is the KING and the Creator of the Universe, the heavens! He is God and Creator of ALL things. The Universe is His kingdom.
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Post by believingjesus on Mar 8, 2020 22:12:54 GMT -5
What are you talking about? By your own admission Christ (supposedly) will own a kingdom SOME DAY (future tense). What does that have to do with him having owned a kingdom in the past? Yes, Christ is the KING and the Creator of the Universe, the heavens! He is God and Creator of ALL things. The Universe is His kingdom.You were referring to an earthly kingdom but, ok, if you say so...
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 22:19:29 GMT -5
Yes, Christ is the KING and the Creator of the Universe, the heavens! He is God and Creator of ALL things. The Universe is His kingdom. You were referring to an earthly kingdom but, ok, if you say so... Yes, I was talking about the earthly kingdom that Christ to rule over the humans and the rest of the intelligence beings he created billions of years ago throughout the trillions galaxies.
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Post by openingact34 on Mar 8, 2020 22:34:01 GMT -5
Howdy Nathan! That gotquestions B.S. was all very irrelevant. But I'd love to hear some of what you learned in the work about how to break up families. If you had to split up a family because they had divorced and remarried, how did you handle it? Do the workers figure out who gets custody of the kids too? No, BS.... It has happened within my OWN family for 40 yrs! my unprofessing father, step-mother, half-brothers and sister, and real brother and sister! Still going on RIGHT now... I have seen and witnessed with many of the professing friends non-professing families my 8 yrs in the work, and 40 plus years in the 2x2 fellowship.
Divorce, remarriage and spliting the families apart that is NOT what Jesus was TALKING about I come NOT to send peace on earth! The workers are NOT perfect in their understanding of Jesus teachings. they have made many mistakes in trying to be God, and thinking they understand His teachings but they have a misinterpreted what he meant.
We are talking TWO different cases! Jesus teachings about counting the cost before if you want to be his followers Vs. the workers teachings on splitting remarriage families up.
The workers don't have to interpret anything that Jesus said! They are getting direct direction from Heaven!!! "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." - John 14:26
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Post by speak on Mar 8, 2020 22:34:51 GMT -5
Speak you must remember that everything attributed to Jesus was written by others long after his Death. So it becomes hearsay, we will never know if it is true or not. Hearsay is never accepted in a Court of Law, because it may not be reliable information. So now you are saying Jesus is dead? Actually He is very much alive but those who don't follow Him don't and can't know that. The Holy Spirit does not reveal that to you. Whether it be hearsay or not is of no concern to me it just a way of explaining something not known about, in other words keep in the dark.
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Post by speak on Mar 8, 2020 22:38:06 GMT -5
Wally you are quoting what was written almost 2000 years ago. Has no significance or relevance in the World of today, we have progressed in our thinking, thank God. Next you will be reverting back to the OT and suggesting to go out and kill a few thousand people with the jawbone of an Ass, before breakfast. Just not appropriate here and now. Get up to date Man, don't live in the past. sop trying to apply the Bible literally, it is out of date, there are better books available, that apply to now. And as I mentioned in a previous post things that Jesus are supposed to have said, were written by others so it becomes hearsay. It could be their own thoughts to suit their own agenda. We Humans are good at that, we all do it. The Family unit is most precious, and NOTHING should ever interfere with that. And any responsible Father will ensure that protection. We have progressed in our thinking? Man you only have to look at our leaders to know that an't true.
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Post by speak on Mar 8, 2020 22:40:58 GMT -5
It shouldn't happen, and Workers have no right to encourage it. I have spoken to reasonable Workers about my concern, and they agreed it was wrong. "reasonable workers" sounds kind of like wishy washy or fence riders or maybe they felt you were not ready for it so said things to leave you to your own devices.... We need to be careful about we say about Gods servants because God may bring it back to our doorsteps and require and answer.
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Post by speak on Mar 8, 2020 22:43:31 GMT -5
Of course they don't....and "of course you do " nathan . Talk about being self righteous ! If these threads are anything to go by, Nathan does have all the answers.. But are they right or wrong.
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Post by believingjesus on Mar 8, 2020 22:43:52 GMT -5
You were referring to an earthly kingdom but, ok, if you say so... Yes, I was talking about the earthly kingdom that Christ to rule over the humans and the rest of the intelligence beings he created billions of years ago throughout the trillions galaxies.So you have admitted to committing the fallacy of equivocation then. Equivocation is where you use a word in two different senses but treat them as equivalent. You are difficult to converse rationally with.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 8, 2020 22:46:09 GMT -5
If these threads are anything to go by, Nathan does have all the answers.. But are they right or wrong. Depends who you ask and what the particular subject is..
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 22:51:37 GMT -5
No, BS.... It has happened within my OWN family for 40 yrs! my unprofessing father, step-mother, half-brothers and sister, and real brother and sister! Still going on RIGHT now... I have seen and witnessed with many of the professing friends non-professing families my 8 yrs in the work, and 40 plus years in the 2x2 fellowship.
Divorce, remarriage and spliting the families apart that is NOT what Jesus was TALKING about I come NOT to send peace on earth! The workers are NOT perfect in their understanding of Jesus teachings. they have made many mistakes in trying to be God, and thinking they understand His teachings but they have a misinterpreted what he meant.
We are talking TWO different cases! Jesus teachings about counting the cost before if you want to be his followers Vs. the workers teachings on splitting remarriage families up.
The workers don't have to interpret anything that Jesus said! They are getting direct direction from Heaven!!! "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." - John 14:26 Then how come the believers wrote to apostle Paul and asked him to help them with many of their problems with in churches and among themselves.... in I Cor. 1:11-17 11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. There were false teachers were teachings false doctrine and caused chaos and confusion among the believing Jews and believing Gentiles. The apostles and the church elder came together and solved the confusion in Acts 15.
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