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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 22:12:20 GMT -5
Wondering how the set format for 2x2 fellowship meetings came about. Was it set up by William Irvine.
They always go,
hymn, prayer, hymn, testimonies, communion, closing hymn.
As far as I know this format is not demanded by the Bible.
There may be better ways to have more enjoyable fellowship. Perhaps like they did in Acts,
Acts 2:46 New International Version (NIV)
46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts.
Have a meal together , sounds more enjoyable.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 22:15:37 GMT -5
if it ain't broke don't fix it....
if you actually read the surrounding verses of Acts 2 they did a few things beside eating....
it says the broke bread, prayed and praised God....and wonders and signs were done by the apostles...
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Post by nathan on Mar 7, 2020 22:45:57 GMT -5
Wondering how the set format for 2x2 fellowship meetings came about. Was it set up by William Irvine. They always go, hymn, prayer, hymn, testimonies, communion, closing hymn. As far as I know this format is not demanded by the Bible. There may be better ways to have more enjoyable fellowship. Perhaps like they did in Acts, Acts 2:46 New International Version (NIV) 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts. Have a meal together , sounds more enjoyable. READ Luke 22 Christ's Passover and I Cor. Chapter 13-14.... For years they had potluck after the Sunday morning meetings. It was Edward Cooney and the early workers started the Sunday morning fellowship/worship in 1903.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 22:53:53 GMT -5
It was broke for some of us, that is why we had to fix it. Mainstream Churches put a bit of variety into it, makes it more enjoyable. It doesn't have to be like a funeral service. Have a bit of variety, makes it more interesting.
Psalm 98:4-6 English Standard Version (ESV)
4 Make a joyful noise to the Lord, all the earth; break forth into joyous song and sing praises! 5 Sing praises to the Lord with the lyre, with the lyre and the sound of melody! 6 With trumpets and the sound of the horn make a joyful noise before the King, the Lord!
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Post by nathan on Mar 7, 2020 23:01:30 GMT -5
It was broke for some of us, that is why we had to fix it. Mainstream Churches put a bit of variety into it, makes it more enjoyable. It doesn't have to be like a funeral service. Have a bit of variety, makes it more interesting. Psalm 98:4-6 English Standard Version (ESV) 4 Make a joyful noise to the Lord, all the earth; break forth into joyous song and sing praises! 5 Sing praises to the Lord with the lyre, with the lyre and the sound of melody! 6 With trumpets and the sound of the horn make a joyful noise before the King, the Lord! *** Well, I came from the Pentecostal church and we make all kinds of noises, rolling on the floor, speaking in all kinds of gibberish tongues, loud music of rock and roll and so on... I rather pick the quite, calmness and peaceful fellowship/Worship to God so, we can hear each others testimonies in praising God and Christ.
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Post by Brick on Mar 7, 2020 23:05:44 GMT -5
if it ain't broke don't fix it.... It is broke, Wally. We have bible studies on on meaningless chapters where everyone cherry picks a verse or phase that means nothing spiritually and after saying how glad they are to be there and how much they enjoyed (the meaningless) things others have said, they read their phrase and say they want to ____. There is not a real leader with a study guide. We're mostly just the blind leading the blind. And it isn't a study. It's a testimonial. we don't ask questions, we simply testify.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:10:26 GMT -5
if it ain't broke don't fix it.... It is broke, Wally. We have bible studies on on meaningless chapters where everyone cherry picks a verse or phase that means nothing spiritually and after saying how glad they are to be there and how much they enjoyed (the meaningless) things others have said, they read their phrase and say they want to ____. There is not a real leader with a study guide. We're mostly just the blind leading the blind. And it isn't a study. It's a testimonial. we don't ask questions, we simply testify. not sure how you got there, but i find the bible has meaning all through out it, sometimes books or chapters are a little harder to understand but thats not the bibles fault nor the deacon/elder nor the format....
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Post by Brick on Mar 7, 2020 23:13:41 GMT -5
You're on! I Chronicles 1. Gimme some meaning! Bring it! Spiritualize!
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Post by Lee on Mar 7, 2020 23:20:58 GMT -5
if it ain't broke don't fix it.... It is broke, Wally. We have bible studies on on meaningless chapters where everyone cherry picks a verse or phase that means nothing spiritually and after saying how glad they are to be there and how much they enjoyed (the meaningless) things others have said, they read their phrase and say they want to ____. There is not a real leader with a study guide. We're mostly just the blind leading the blind. And it isn't a study. It's a testimonial. we don't ask questions, we simply testify. This is tragic. I sensed it would be when I was 12, even if I didn't actually--- then. Christ needs to be presented historically. This is the bottom line of any christian confession or community
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Post by Lee on Mar 7, 2020 23:21:12 GMT -5
if it ain't broke don't fix it.... It is broke, Wally. We have bible studies on on meaningless chapters where everyone cherry picks a verse or phase that means nothing spiritually and after saying how glad they are to be there and how much they enjoyed (the meaningless) things others have said, they read their phrase and say they want to ____. There is not a real leader with a study guide. We're mostly just the blind leading the blind. And it isn't a study. It's a testimonial. we don't ask questions, we simply testify. This is tragic. I sensed it would be when I was 12, even if I didn't actually--- then. Christ needs to be presented historically. This is the bottom line of any christian confession, or community
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Post by speak on Mar 7, 2020 23:21:36 GMT -5
You're on! I Chronicles 1. Gimme some meaning! Bring it! Spiritualize! God does the spiritualizing.
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Post by Lee on Mar 7, 2020 23:23:52 GMT -5
What does that mean?
Does it mean we need a divine shock absorber to allow us to pick and choose between the earthly and divine?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:28:00 GMT -5
I don't expect to get any sort of sensible answer to my question, Who decides that format. The 2x2 claim is they follow the Bible. I don't see where the 2x2 format has been specified.
For myself because I grew up as an introvert and lacked confidence meetings for me were Hell. You never heard anybody else, you were worried,"What am I going to say". You would hang out to last hoping the Elder would close the meeting early. But alas if you failed to get up the Elder would pause until you did. That made it worse, you would stumble to your feet ,mumble some words that neither you or anyone else understood.
Where I worked there was always difficulty to get anybody to work on Sundays. I used to always let the Boss know I was available for Sunday work. Plausible excuse, I had to work.
So much different in a Mainstream Church. No stress, enjoy the service, go away refreshed.
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Post by Brick on Mar 7, 2020 23:37:57 GMT -5
God does the spiritualizing. You too funny!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:39:57 GMT -5
You're on! I Chronicles 1. Gimme some meaning! Bring it! Spiritualize! wow where do i begin? most of those mentioned have testimonies you can read about elsewhere in the bible and they all have meaning... lets go with abraham... heard and followed Gods orders to leave his current country and go into a new country.....this would be like Christians today giving up this world for the one to come and we make a spiritual journey just like abraham made a physical one to get there... abraham offered up his son issac as a precursor sacrifice to the coming Christ...an example of we not having to die for our sins and God picking the sacrifice instead with Jesus Christ/the ram... abrahams faith: best addressed by these verses: Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. oh to have the faith of abraham who followed God without yet receiving the promise of salvation yet till Christ arrived... should i go on?
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Post by nathan on Mar 7, 2020 23:44:45 GMT -5
I don't expect to get any sort of sensible answer to my question, Who decides that format. The 2x2 claim is they follow the Bible. I don't see where the 2x2 format has been specified. For myself because I grew up as an introvert and lacked confidence meetings for me were Hell. You never heard anybody else, you were worried,"What am I going to say". You would hang out to last hoping the Elder would close the meeting early. But alas if you failed to get up the Elder would pause until you did. That made it worse, you would stumble to your feet ,mumble some words that neither you or anyone else understood. Where I worked there was always difficulty to get anybody to work on Sundays. I used to always let the Boss know I was available for Sunday work. Plausible excuse, I had to work. So much different in a Mainstream Church. No stress, enjoy the service, go away refreshed. *** Several overseers and senior workers come together and pray... They come up with a theme for the whole year for each week for the year. I find it very helpful, we go through the gospels, the book of Acts, epistles or the book of Psalms, Ruth and so on. Wed. Night Bible studies help us to read the Bible and the Holy Spirit gives us the understanding to share with each others on the same chapters. Like having a spiritual pot potluck.
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Post by Brick on Mar 7, 2020 23:49:48 GMT -5
You should stick to the chapter. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You proved my point perfectly. Thank you. I couldn't have done it better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:58:01 GMT -5
Nathan as usual you dodge the question. Why that set format???. What is the justification for it. I doubt you will come up with a reasonable answer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 0:00:48 GMT -5
You should stick to the chapter. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You proved my point perfectly. Thank you. I couldn't have done it better. thats not how studying the bible works some chapters/verses lead to other chapters/verses or books... i see maybe i should go on with another point... this chapter is also an early version of the lineage of Christ to show earlier promises/prophecies that were made were being kept and adam mentioned in your chapter was the 1st man that lead to sin and the coming Christ was the new 1st man leading to salvation.... PS the post is screwed up as its showing me saying what brick did and brick saying what i did...
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Post by sharingtheriches on Mar 8, 2020 0:02:21 GMT -5
Seems to me since the NT people didn’t preach from the NT, it’d be helpful to bring what OTparts they are speaking from or about.
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 8, 2020 0:05:54 GMT -5
Nathan as usual you dodge the question. Why that set format???. What is the justification for it. I doubt you will come up with a reasonable answer. Faith Mission maybe @redback ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 0:07:59 GMT -5
Nathan as usual you dodge the question. Why that set format???. What is the justification for it. I doubt you will come up with a reasonable answer. i just sent off a note to JL and we will see what he says about the format...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 0:10:40 GMT -5
I am sure that there were many people where meetings were a traumatic experience. If they were honest they would admit that. Speaking should have never been made compulsory. If you didn't take part people would say you were "Weak" or "Not in the Spirit" whatever that meant.
I figured out the best meeting was the one you didn't have to go to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 0:12:37 GMT -5
Nathan as usual you dodge the question. Why that set format???. What is the justification for it. I doubt you will come up with a reasonable answer. Faith Mission maybe @redback ? I reckon you could be spot on Roselyn. Just interesting how did it happen. Not sure that we will ever get an answer. Nobody knows, they just blindly do it.
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 0:13:24 GMT -5
Nathan as usual you dodge the question. Why that set format???. What is the justification for it. I doubt you will come up with a reasonable answer. ** It works! For years why change it?
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 0:15:06 GMT -5
I am sure that there were many people where meetings were a traumatic experience. If they were honest they would admit that. Speaking should have never been made compulsory. If you didn't take part people would say you were "Weak" or "Not in the Spirit" whatever that meant. I figured out the best meeting was the one you didn't have to go to. *** Come on, you don't to be a party spoiler.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 0:17:37 GMT -5
It wasn't any party, it was Hell. As I thought Nathan you have no idea why that format is used. It never worked for some of us.
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 0:25:33 GMT -5
It wasn't any party, it was Hell. As I thought Nathan you have no idea why that format is used. It never worked for some of us. Hell for you exes but NOT for us 2x2s, we enjoy it. Do you think it is easy to come up with the Bible study with a good theme every year.
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