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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 6:06:11 GMT -5
you know how many retired generals and troops there are? millions, 780 is a drop in the bucket...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 11:02:16 GMT -5
No -- it's still technically a cease-fire situation. Correct. Trump got sucked in by the Korean fascist. Trump felt good but Kim was laughing himself sillly. Time will tell. I had a student from South Korea who was in awe that nobody seemed to care in the states about what was happening in Korea while he family was celebrating when North and South ended hostilities. Kim isn't crazy. He has no illusions about himself, but he's playing the part. He wanted weapons as leverage for keeping himself out of the firing squad for his crimes against humanity. He's a different dictator than his dad and grandad: he loves American basketball.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 11:10:22 GMT -5
why do I think she's corrupt? The Clinton Foundation and the millions it's received from middle east countries that abuse human rights, her role in intimidating Bill's rape victim, Pay-to-play Clinton Foundation x Uranium One, 500000 payment from Moscow to Bill for a speaking arrangement subsequent, saying she never received nor sent classified emails from her private email (FBI says 'nay, nay'), pretending to not know what a device being "wiped" is ("what, you mean wipe it with a cloth?").... I believe she's more tied to Russian influence than Trump is. What's odd to me is that, if the tables were turned, every major news outlet would be demanding an investigation into Trumps kids. Every headline would be Trumps face with a target. Everyone would assume him guilty, and crow from the barn top. Instead, half of the headlines are criticisms of the NYP, Gulliani and Trump for daring to pursue it, and the other half are cautions about not jumping to conclusions and fluff stories about how hot Hunter is, or about how tragic and difficult his life has been. It is apparent that the majority of news outlets are determined to see Biden as president. Apparently being a jerk cancels ending the Korean War, obliterating ISIS, substantially increasing jobs and school funding for African Americans and HBCUs, prioritizing the destruction of sex trafficking rings, significant prison reform, significant organ donor reform, "right to try" executive orders, and fusing investor confidence in the economy such that the recovery he was gifted from Obama was accelerated. Two middle east peace agreements facilitated. Any other president would be collecting his or her Nobel. He's had his screw-ups. Handling protests (he condemned white racism, but nobody covered it. Naturally.) The pandemic I deem his worst screw-up by FAR. (It would've been a catastrophe for any president, but Hillary would've at least listened to science and responded better). I still can't stand Trump, but objectively he's had some very very good things. He needs to remind people of that instead of fruitlessly attacking Hunter though. His problem isn't that he's incapable of taking the high road. He simply likes low road better. Well, Hitler did some very very good things too. First on the agenda is trash the democracy while doing some very very patriotic and popular things. Trump has done that -- while millions paid no attention to what he was doing to the democracy. All he needs now, like Hitler did, it to find a national emergency and suspend the constitution. If he loses the election, all his presidency will cost us is the national debt and dealing with rampant insurgent/racial unrest. If he wins, we'll still pay off the national debt and lose what's left of Americans' civil rights and democracy -- Russia style. Have fun with that one. He is indeed incapable of taking the high road. He's been a raging mafia style gangster from the day he got kicked out of middle school. His family and every decent person who has had anything to do with him believes that. The problem is, he has Hitler's charisma and far too many people in this country are so uneducated in democracy that they fall for his shiny little promise of making America great, just like Hitler made Germany great. Hilary believes in the Constitution -- Trump doesn't. Everything else is trivial by comparison. I don't see Trump as Hitler. He's not driven by ideology, but by money and narcissistic pride. Hitler was crazy with a plan and vision. Trump's a schoolyard bully who likes to win at things. If Hitler was like Trump, he never would've wasted resources on exterminating Jews. I remember people pointing to similarities under Obama too. It's just par for discourse at this point. I voted McCain, Obama, and Neither in the past 3 elections. Not a Republican, nor a Democrat. I already said I'll take Warren as my favorite from both sides. I don't even thing the bias against Trump from the media is the fault of the media : Trump asked for it 100%! But I do see a double standard, no doubt. It's his fault, but it still exists.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 22, 2020 12:12:59 GMT -5
Trump may not be a Hitler because of the reasons you stated but he is being used by people with Hitler personalities. I refer to the evangelists and other nut jobs who are driven by ideology.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 13:19:48 GMT -5
Trump may not be a Hitler because of the reasons you stated but he is being used by people with Hitler personalities. I refer to the evangelists and other nut jobs who are driven by ideology. This strikes me as closer to accurate. Or further, he is emboldening and enabling groups of far right personalities who share some of Hitler's far right views. Though he has condemned white supremacy, he really needs to address it proactively instead of in response to reporters' questions. His "fine people on both sides" was decidedly not the right message to send. This is my great concern - the far right in the US is highly organized, highly disciplined, highly ignorant, and highly armed. If Trump should lose a close or contested election, a far-right armed movement could lead to an actual civil war. The far-left has their loonies too, make no mistake, but they are generally less organized, less disciplined, less armed (though equally ignorant). This means they will be susceptible to spontaneous violence of looting, brick throwing and arson, but they are easier to deal with. When the far right decides to act, they will organize and have a plan. This is my greatest concern. Trump need only say the right trigger words upon losing to light the match. "Voter fraud, rigged election", "Fake news influenced the election", "illegal voting", "conspiracy against America", "they're coming for your guns and unborn babies...." Whoever wins, it needs to be by a convincing margin. The other side will throw a fit regardless, but a close contested election could spell trouble!
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 22, 2020 15:01:35 GMT -5
Trump may not be a Hitler because of the reasons you stated but he is being used by people with Hitler personalities. I refer to the evangelists and other nut jobs who are driven by ideology. Agreed.
I think that Trump was used by people the likes of Steve Bannon and Breitbart News which panned Trump's alt-right platform. It was they who used the "neo-Nazi" and white supremacist ideals to form Trump's platform.
After all, Steve Bannon was one of those who urged Trump to run for President.
I think that they probably underestimated Trump's personality disorder and did not realize they had a tiger by the tail! Bannon only lasted as Donald Trump White House Chief Strategist for seven months.
Trump's narcissistic personality was not about to let him stand in the shadow of ANYONE else!
PS: the Fundamental Evangelical Christians certainly did play their part as well.
PPS: If anyone hasn't yet done so yet, -they really should read Bob Woodward's book "Fear." It explains so much of why we are in the position we are now and Woodward wrote it BEFORE it happened! The handwriting was on the wall even then.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 22, 2020 15:05:19 GMT -5
Trump may not be a Hitler because of the reasons you stated but he is being used by people with Hitler personalities. I refer to the evangelists and other nut jobs who are driven by ideology. This strikes me as closer to accurate. Or further, he is emboldening and enabling groups of far right personalities who share some of Hitler's far right views. Though he has condemned white supremacy, he really needs to address it proactively instead of in response to reporters' questions. His "fine people on both sides" was decidedly not the right message to send. This is my great concern - the far right in the US is highly organized, highly disciplined, highly ignorant, and highly armed. If Trump should lose a close or contested election, a far-right armed movement could lead to an actual civil war. The far-left has their loonies too, make no mistake, but they are generally less organized, less disciplined, less armed (though equally ignorant). This means they will be susceptible to spontaneous violence of looting, brick throwing and arson, but they are easier to deal with. When the far right decides to act, they will organize and have a plan. This is my greatest concern. Trump need only say the right trigger words upon losing to light the match. "Voter fraud, rigged election", "Fake news influenced the election", "illegal voting", "conspiracy against America", "they're coming for your guns and unborn babies...." Whoever wins, it needs to be by a convincing margin. The other side will throw a fit regardless, but a close contested election could spell trouble! Precisely!
It is what keeps me awake at night.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 15:53:58 GMT -5
Trump may not be a Hitler because of the reasons you stated but he is being used by people with Hitler personalities. I refer to the evangelists and other nut jobs who are driven by ideology. Â Agreed.
I think that Trump was used by people the likes of Steve Bannon and Breitbart News  which panned Trump's  alt-right platform. It was they who used the  "neo-Nazi" and white supremacist ideals to form Trump's platform.
After all, Steve Bannon was one of those who urged Trump to run for President.Â
I think that they probably underestimated Trump's personality disorder and did not realize they had a  tiger by the tail! Bannon only lasted as Donald Trump White House Chief Strategist for seven months.
 Trump's narcissistic personality  was not about to let him stand in the shadow of ANYONE else!Â
PS: the Fundamental Evangelical Christians certainly did play their part as well.
PPS: If anyone hasn't yet done so yet, -they really should read Bob Woodward's book "Fear." It explains so much of why we are in the position we are now and Woodward wrote it BEFORE it happened! The handwriting was on the wall even then.
spot on! I think he used them, when they thought they could use him. Trump is used to being the boss - in his mind, he works for nobody. This might be the biggest reason that the "public servant" part of the job description isn't a priority for him. And to Bob's accurate point, the constitution to him is just another tax law for him to find a loophole in. I miss Obama. And Bush. I love that quote on the above video when George Bush said to Hillary after Trump's inauguration speech, "that was done weird s***!".
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 22, 2020 18:45:14 GMT -5
I don't see Trump as Hitler. He's not driven by ideology, but by money and narcissistic pride. Hitler was crazy with a plan and vision. Trump's a schoolyard bully who likes to win at things. Hitler was a bully – check out the story of the Beer Hall Putsch . Hitler was a loser – check out his education and military records/Trump’s bankruptcies. Hitler was a narcissist – he claimed to be a savior, as had Trump on occasion. Hitler was crazy with a plan and a vision. But Hitler wasn’t thought to be crazy until he created WWII, and no one paid any attention to the loser’s plan and vision until after he was gone. We have not gotten to any revelation of Trump’s plan or vision yet because he’s been smart enough to outsmart the population so far, just like Hitler did in his day. These character types are smart enough to know that they’ll never accomplish anything it they let people know what their real aims in life are to accomplish. You, like most others, are probably unaware of (1) who Hitler REALLY was before he came to power, and (2) HOW it was that he came to power. Trump hasn’t had the opportunity yet to waste resources on his ultimate plan – a plan which, by the way, doesn’t even have to be identified at this point. But it’s still there – otherwise he would be behaving like a concerned president of the people. Hitler, like Trump, worked first on the backing of the “German patriots” and the “god-fearing believers” (as has Trump), so that when the time comes he will have the power to waste the nations resources on his dream “Fatherland” project. Aside from getting rid of the unwanted, a study of his plans for a “great” Germany were totally awesome. Trust me – I’ve been professionally trained by the most qualified of authorities to identify the Trumps and Hitlers of the world – check my small library on that matter Nothing but tribal chauvinist rabble rousing. By the way, people “in the know” are fully aware that Trump doesn’t even believe what they’re saying about Obama. What Trump says and promotes is ALWAYS about promoting himself and using others to accomplish what he wants. Why are you saying this? Right now you have only one choice, and that is to vote for Trump or not. But remember, if you want Trump out of the White House you will not accomplish that by voting for anyone other than Biden. A vote for anyone else just leaves one less vote against Trump.
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Post by Lee on Oct 22, 2020 19:30:13 GMT -5
Bob’s not an expert but a leftist agitator. And Germany then and America now aren’t neatly comparable. And Trump is only like Hitler in Bobs wet dreams.
Trump may get in with the help of the military..... you know leftists are going to riot if they cant assassinate him. But then he’ll go in four years.
Vote for Trump, or don’t vote at all.
A vote for Biden is a vote for the devil. Some of you are better than that.
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Post by Gene on Oct 22, 2020 22:08:00 GMT -5
Bob’s not an expert but a leftist agitator. And Germany then and America now aren’t neatly comparable. And Trump is only like Hitler in Bobs wet dreams. Trump may get in with the help of the military..... you know leftists are going to riot if they cant assassinate him. But then he’ll go in four years. Vote for Trump, or don’t vote at all. A vote for Biden is a vote for the devil. Some of you are better than that. Thanks for the chuckle -- I LOLed out loud at that one
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 22, 2020 22:25:12 GMT -5
Bob’s not an expert but a leftist agitator. And Germany then and America now aren’t neatly comparable. And Trump is only like Hitler in Bobs wet dreams. Trump may get in with the help of the military..... you know leftists are going to riot if they cant assassinate him. But then he’ll go in four years. Vote for Trump, or don’t vote at all. A vote for Biden is a vote for the devil. Some of you are better than that. Get your head out of the sand.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 22, 2020 22:56:48 GMT -5
Bob’s not an expert but a leftist agitator. And Germany then and America now aren’t neatly comparable. And Trump is only like Hitler in Bobs wet dreams. Trump may get in with the help of the military..... you know leftists are going to riot if they cant assassinate him. But then he’ll go in four years. Vote for Trump, or don’t vote at all. A vote for Biden is a vote for the devil. Some of you are better than that. Lee! -don't you realize that if "Trump did get in with the help of the military..." -that is exactly like Germany and other dictatorships?
Geeze, -Lee, I would hate to have to live in the kind of fog like you are in!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 10:54:27 GMT -5
The state I live in will go Trump. Every county. So my vote is actually inconsequential. We can pretend it isn't so, but there are only a handful of states every election where the vote of an individual masters. Polls prior usually give a decent indicator which ones those will be.
I could draw parallels between Hitler and a variety of characters. It's easy to do. Referencing vague existential threats isn't for me. I still see them as very different, despite the similarities that exist.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 11:10:38 GMT -5
Bob’s not an expert but a leftist agitator. And Germany then and America now aren’t neatly comparable. And Trump is only like Hitler in Bobs wet dreams. Trump may get in with the help of the military..... you know leftists are going to riot if they cant assassinate him. But then he’ll go in four years. Vote for Trump, or don’t vote at all. A vote for Biden is a vote for the devil. Some of you are better than that. Biden's not the devil by a long shot. He's the kind of incompetent, compromised, race-baiting sexual predator that the left somehow thinks is a clearly superior option to the buffoon currently in power. It's like we're returning to the home swamp after vacation in Trump's swamp.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 23, 2020 17:51:18 GMT -5
The state I live in will go Trump. Every county. So my vote is actually inconsequential. We can pretend it isn't so, but there are only a handful of states every election where the vote of an individual masters. This is the inherent flaw of the American democracy that allowed the present situation to happen. Trump got to be president with 3 million fewer votes than his opponent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 18:12:44 GMT -5
The state I live in will go Trump. Every county. So my vote is actually inconsequential. We can pretend it isn't so, but there are only a handful of states every election where the vote of an individual masters. This is the inherent flaw of the American democracy that allowed the present situation to happen. Trump got to be president with 3 million fewer votes than his opponent. Agreed! It's bizarre isn't it? Terrible system.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 23, 2020 19:35:23 GMT -5
This is the inherent flaw of the American democracy that allowed the present situation to happen. Trump got to be president with 3 million fewer votes than his opponent. Agreed! It's bizarre isn't it? Terrible system. B ob & ipsedixit, -what are both of your thoughts about the Electoral College as to whether it was the right thing to do at the time it was created?
What should we do or even can we do about it now?
Or is this just too big a subject to tackle on this forum?
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 24, 2020 0:50:27 GMT -5
Agreed! It's bizarre isn't it? Terrible system. B ob & ipsedixit, -what are both of your thoughts about the Electoral College as to whether it was the right thing to do at the time it was created?
My first thought is that the only country who copied it was South Africa, in their plan to enforce apartheid. It was originally proposed in the US to prevent the "common people" from voting for the president. The fact that the general population even gets to vote for the electoral college was a very liberal idea when it was proposed. My proposal is to ditch it and use the popular vote alone for determining who becomes president, and if no one gets a majority, have a follow up election so you get a majority. In a presidential system of government it's patently not democratic for the president to be given such powers without majority approbation. [/font][/b] [/quote] This is what can make the solution too big to tackle. (1) The US Constitution was a divinely inspired document. (2) North Dakotans believe they need equal representation with Californians. (3) The party stands to lose its privileged status in the present system. (4) Americans couldn't even approve equal rights for women -- don't confuse them with something even weirder. (5) There is far too much MONEY invested in the system as it is -- heck, they're just about to have secured the Supreme Court as well as the electoral college. But I wish y'all good luck -- if your vote counts any more.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 24, 2020 7:20:44 GMT -5
B ob & ipsedixit, -what are both of your thoughts about the Electoral College as to whether it was the right thing to do at the time it was created?
My first thought is that the only country who copied it was South Africa, in their plan to enforce apartheid. It was originally proposed in the US to prevent the "common people" from voting for the president. The fact that the general population even gets to vote for the electoral college was a very liberal idea when it was proposed. My proposal is to ditch it and use the popular vote alone for determining who becomes president, and if no one gets a majority, have a follow up election so you get a majority. In a presidential system of government it's patently not democratic for the president to be given such powers without majority approbation. [/font][/b] [/quote] This is what can make the solution too big to tackle. (1) The US Constitution was a divinely inspired document. (2) North Dakotans believe they need equal representation with Californians. (3) The party stands to lose its privileged status in the present system. (4) Americans couldn't even approve equal rights for women -- don't confuse them with something even weirder. (5) There is far too much MONEY invested in the system as it is -- heck, they're just about to have secured the Supreme Court as well as the electoral college. But I wish y'all good luck -- if your vote counts any more.[/quote]
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 24, 2020 7:40:53 GMT -5
B ob & ipsedixit, -what are both of your thoughts about the Electoral College as to whether it was the right thing to do at the time it was created?
My first thought is that the only country who copied it was South Africa, in their plan to enforce apartheid. It was originally proposed in the US to prevent the "common people" from voting for the president. The fact that the general population even gets to vote for the electoral college was a very liberal idea when it was proposed. My proposal is to ditch it and use the popular vote alone for determining who becomes president, and if no one gets a majority, have a follow up election so you get a majority. In a presidential system of government it's patently not democratic for the president to be given such powers without majority approbation. [/font][/b] [/quote] This is what can make the solution too big to tackle. (1) The US Constitution was a divinely inspired document. (2) North Dakotans believe they need equal representation with Californians. (3) The party stands to lose its privileged status in the present system. (4) Americans couldn't even approve equal rights for women -- don't confuse them with something even weirder. (5) There is far too much MONEY invested in the system as it is -- heck, they're just about to have secured the Supreme Court as well as the electoral college. But I wish y'all good luck -- if your vote counts any more.[/quote] Thanks Bob, -for your wish for "good luck" AND for your insight.
I think that your insight into the whole political ball of wax is bigger than all the rest of ours put together.
From the way things look right now, we are going to need everything we can get.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 16:20:07 GMT -5
You know, the more I really look at it.... the harder it is to say Trump is responsible for the rise of white nationalism. I stated from the beginning of his presidency that I thought the media was very very unfair in it's coverage of him. He's no saint, but the narrative being spun on Trump is a flat-out lie. www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZfzJATDmXs^ A series of clips of Trump condemning the KKK and White Racism. And yet, we are to believe that he doesn't condemn it. Instead we cling to the 'good people on both sides' clip and drink the Kool-Aid. What a disgrace our news coverage has become.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 16:27:19 GMT -5
My first thought is that the only country who copied it was South Africa, in their plan to enforce apartheid. It was originally proposed in the US to prevent the "common people" from voting for the president. The fact that the general population even gets to vote for the electoral college was a very liberal idea when it was proposed. My proposal is to ditch it and use the popular vote alone for determining who becomes president, and if no one gets a majority, have a follow up election so you get a majority. In a presidential system of government it's patently not democratic for the president to be given such powers without majority approbation. [/font][/b] [/quote] This is what can make the solution too big to tackle. (1) The US Constitution was a divinely inspired document. (2) North Dakotans believe they need equal representation with Californians. (3) The party stands to lose its privileged status in the present system. (4) Americans couldn't even approve equal rights for women -- don't confuse them with something even weirder. (5) There is far too much MONEY invested in the system as it is -- heck, they're just about to have secured the Supreme Court as well as the electoral college. But I wish y'all good luck -- if your vote counts any more.[/quote] Thanks Bob, -for your wish for "good luck" AND for your insight.
I think that your insight into the whole political ball of wax is bigger than all the rest of ours put together.
From the way things look right now, we are going to need everything we can get.
[/quote] With the ability of instant communication and fast news, it should at least be worth considering having a direct vote. How's this for an idea? Each candidate composes a campaign specifically for each general region of the US, speaking of how his/her policies would affect that region. And furthermore, how prosperity in other areas of the country (such as rural farmland) can positively affect that region. I'm envisioning a one-stop, federally regulated platform page, where all videos and productions are directly approved and produced by only the candidate and team themselves (to avoid vague super-pac funding influence). Supplemental targeted advertising and campaigning could occur just as normal, but this would address at least the question of representation that the electoral college was supposedly meant to address. Or else keep the electoral college, but split votes, like Maine and Nebraska. Splitting electoral college votes seems like a complete no-brainer, and would dramatically improve voter turnout. My vote would at least have a chance of mattering, even if it was only for 1 of my states 4 or 5 votes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 13:35:16 GMT -5
The fatal flaw with the conservative mindset is the inability to adapt to changing circumstances, and the inability to understand that circumstances inevitably change. This leads to the 'cult' mentality of conservatives blindly following an authoritarian figure (Trump in this case), who promises a return to the 'good old days' when things were "better". The fatal flaw with the progressive mindset is the inability to see that most of the time, the institutions and practices humans have spent thousands of years honing and operating in do not need drastic overhauls. Many things work better than they would if they were radically changed, because of our collective human experience operating in them. This leads to the opposite of the conservative conclusion: a lack of unity and progressive groups fragmenting into small vocal and unorganized sub-groups. As Wally rightly suggests, the left ultimately eats its own. Both are vital - I've come to realize this. I used to be very liberal, then I became increasingly conservative, now I cannot say I am either. We need innovation from progressives, because we live in a dynamic world. Even more than before, our world is changing quickly, and we need progressive minds to develop means to adapt to it. We also need conservative minds to carefully protect the many things in culture and society that do work. And perhaps the most important - each MUST be able to see the value of the other. In the "perfect world", each would welcome the other's feedback. Already we're seeing the left divide against itself. Biden is a centrist, and he (in his younger political career) carries some significant "anti-progressive" baggage. In the 80s, he pressured Reagan to increase the war on drugs, and funding anti-drug law enforcement, and urged him to appoint a "Drug Czar" to deal with the problem. Reagan was opposed to this, because he didn't want to increase the scope of the government so substantially. ( theintercept.com/2019/09/17/the-untold-story-joe-biden-pushed-ronald-reagan-to-ramp-up-incarceration-not-the-other-way-around/ ) How ironic is it that Biden is seen as the salve for progressive ideals, when he was largely responsible for the Drug War policies which proved so detrimental for African Americans, and Trump is seen as the racist when his First Step Act has been a step in healing this unjust policy ( www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/3100-inmates-to-be-released-as-trump-administration-implements-criminal-justice-reform/2019/07/19/7ed0daf6-a9a4-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html ). Biden already has various progressive groups asking for him to put more progressive members into Cabinet positions ( www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/11/11/activist-groups-press-biden-to-put-progressives-in-cabinet-including-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders/?sh=875b44c440c4 ). Ironically, Trump I think will prove that he was more able to unite Democrats than Biden can hope to. He just united them against himself!!
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Post by matisse on Nov 29, 2020 18:51:54 GMT -5
Yes, the First Family Elect will be bringing pets into the White House again.
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